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Title: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 May 2010, 04:44:53 pm

For all those who are new to this (new) Forum - I've been building a database of all those soldiers, nurses, munitions workers etc that married overseas during the war years. (1914 - 1920) I'd be extremely grateful to anyone who can provide me with any details that may help in this project.  Steve, Bill & a few others have been doing a wonderful job of supplying me with Light Horse men over the last year or so (unfortunately the original thread from the previous forum has been lost) - however, the process continues.............


Steve - these are the last lot of names that I copied that are yet to be added to my database:


1947 Sgt Alan Balmain SIMMONS - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8083943&I=1&SE=1

2150 Driver Henry Charles Robert Brand - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=3113051&I=1&SE=1

2146 Bdr Ernest Albert WARING - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8347612&I=1&SE=1

2549 Driver Leonard George Edwards - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=1935680&I=1&SE=1


1035 Driver Horace Gerald SMITH

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=1781694&I=1&SE=1


1236 2/AM Walter Stanley Hall - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=3008139&I=1&SE=1

1316 Pte Robert STOBAUS - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8092337&I=1&SE=1

1322 Sgt Edmund Wilkinson Challis - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=3225917&I=1&SE=1

1362 Gunner William Josiah GLASSON - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=6293784&I=1&SE=1

Marriage Certificate

http://naa16.naa.gov.au/rs_images/ShowImage.php?B=6293784&S=6&T=R

1716 Pte George Creed HOWAT - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=6994454&I=1&SE=1


Applications for free passages from Britain for wives, children and fiancees of Australian soldiers - Lawrence Carr, Stein Helge Waldermar Carlson, Bert Dixon, Stanley James Freddy, Walter James Grafham, Samuel Lake, William S Vivian Mellett, Andrew Latham, Arthur Henry Pasco, John Frederick Thornton, Richard James Williams and William Clarence Wallace]


594 Pte Reginald George HITCHCOCK - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=5477420&I=1&SE=1

127 Pte William STOKES - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8092487&I=1&SE=1



1582 Pte William Sydney BALLARD - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=3047644&I=1&SE=1

1674 Arthur Hordern WILKINS - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8388680&I=1&SE=1

1956 Driver Patrick Burton TICEHURST - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8390730&I=1&SE=1

2234 Pte Lewis Norman SHORTELL - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8082827&I=1&SE=1




 


386 Private Bert Harold COMBES

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=3274394&I=1&SE=1

Marriage Certificate:

http://naa16.naa.gov.au/rs_images/ShowImage.php?B=3274394&S=36&T=R


1464 Driver Herbert Stanley Clive BOND - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=3097414&I=1&SE=1

BOND Herbert Stanley Clive 1464 Pte 7 LHR 11R Tos 12-15 to 5 DASP 7-16 to 2 DASP 10-16 to 1 DSC 1-17 to MT Dvr 1 MTCo 3-18 att 2 FA 9-18 att DDMS workshop 11-18 att Graves detachment 2-19 to 4 MTCo 5-19 F&B married Nelly Wilmont in St Giles UK 3-12-19

I don't know if this fellow fills your criteria - he was discharged in Britain, 15 October 1919.

1692 Bdr Arthur William ROLANDS - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8072149&I=1&SE=1

Marriage Certificate:

http://naa16.naa.gov.au/rs_images/ShowImage.php?B=8072149&S=30&T=R

1704 Driver Noel SHEEN - wife

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=8081431&I=1&SE=1



shown as Rolands real name Rowlands

ROLANDS Arthur William 1692 Pte 7 LHR 11R Tos 12-15 to 40Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to 4 DAC 5-16 to V4A MTMB 7-16 to Bdr 10-17 F&B married Dora Ebdon in Glamorgan Wales 26-6-17 AKA Arthur William Rowlands

Shown as Sheen real name Sheean

SHEEN Noel 1704 Pte 7 LHR 11R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 37Bty/10 FAB 3-16 WIA 3-10-18 R/arm near Bellicourt F&B to War Chest Club UK 12-18 married Edith Jennes at London UK 24-2-17 AKA Noel Sheean brother Myles 8 FA


KANE Herbert Esmond 44 Pte 01 LHR A Sqn WIA 7-8-15 serious in charge at Popes post (P) (G) to Dvr att WFF to 2 sect/1 DAC 6-17 to 6Bty/2 FAB 10-17 F&B married Lora Burmmingham in Hitchin UK 15-1-19 brother Jack 5 Bde HQ


ALEXANDER Norman 224 Pte 01 LHR MG Sect (NP) (G) to AIF depots UK 7-16 to 16 LTMB 4-17 att Dvr MG Dtls 10-17 rtn AIF depots UK 6-18 married Ida Blatch at Brighton UK 14-7-17

This one is interesting?

HARRIS Clement Wallington 264 L/Cpl 01 LHR B Sqn to Cpl 5-15 to Sgt 8-15 (NP) prom 2/Lt MG Sect 11-15 (G) att WFF to 1 LH MGS 7-16 WIA 9-1-17 R/foot at Rafa MID for his actions at Baiket el Sana during 2nd Gaza 19-4-17 WIA 3-11-17 L/arm at Khuweilfe to Capt 2 LH MGS 1-18 married Agnus Florence Harris in Cairo Egypt brother George 1 LHR

There is a note to say he is now married and NOK name and address is as above but I dont know any other details other then that?


GRANVILLE Cecil Horace Plantagener Capt 01 LHR C Sqn (NP) to Maj OC 8-15 (G) to LtCol 6-16 bervet Maj PMF 12-18 DSO MID Officer Romanian Order of Crown of Romania

(Boer War 1 AH (1075) (2/Lt Scone Troop 1 Aust Horse 1899 to 2/Lt 4 LH HRL 1904 to BSqn to Lt Area Officer Grafton 1-11-10 to Capt Area officer West Maitland 18-11-12 CMF VD) nickname "Granny"

married Louisa Theresa Beveridge in Egypt 30-11-16

brother Charles Rear Admiral RN son Richard FO RAAF KIA 1942


3264 Driver Albert Walter GOODWIN

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=4787124&I=1&SE=1



WEIR Frank Valentine Lt 01 LHR 1R to A Sqn C Troop? WIA 7-8-15 L/thigh in charge at Popes post (P) to Capt 11-15 (G) att WFF to staff Capt 1 LH Bde HQ att Highland Mtd Bde as Commandant at Sohag 3-16 to Adjt RHQ/01 LHR 6-16 WIA 4-8-16 chest shrapnel at Romani to Maj B Sqn 2-17 to A Sqn 1-18 DSO MID for his actions at Abu Tellul 14-7-18

married Dorothy Ishenwood at St Annes of Sea UK 2-10-16

(Boer War SQMS ASqn/NSWCB MID (79) and Lt BSqn/1 ACH and Canadian Scouts) born 14-2-78 (CMF to Maj 1920 later WWII LtCol VDC


Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 May 2010, 05:20:47 pm
Mate,

I forgot ware I last left this but I'll include some of those I have been working on lately some you should have already;

WILLETT   William Aubrey Sankey   7517   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   11R (5Co AASC) to 01 LHR (216) 4-16 att WFF to 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 11-16 to 71 Sqn AFC in UK 12-17 to 4 Sqn AFC 2-18 F&B to NME UK married Violet Jaep in Birmingham UK 29-9-17
WILLIAMS   Albert Edward   1898   Pte   8 LHR   13R to C Sqn 2-16 to 3 LH Bde HQ 2-16 rtn C Sqn 7-17 to ER Sgt 3 LHTR 7-18 rtn 1-19 married Emma Hammond in Dartford UK 3-4-17
WILLIAMS   Alex   969   Pte   1 Remts   4 Sqn rough rider to S/Smith/Cpl 112Bty/24 FAB 4-16 to Gnr 112Bty/12 FAB 1-17 F&B disch 15-11-18 MU DAH married Jesse Skimming in London UK 13-8-17
WILLIAMS   Edmund Tennyson    198   Pte   12 LHR   A Sqn att 01 LHR 8-15 (G) to 3Bn 9-16 F&B Ex 1 sect/1 DAC (2574) DNE disch MU married Matilda Creasy in London UK 3-5-16
WILLIAMS   Harry   178   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   2R (5Co AASC) Tos 5-15 (G) to 14Co 4 Div Trn 4-16 to 10Co AASC 5 Div Trn 12-16 F&B married Hilda King at Fulham UK 19-5-18
WILLIAMS   Joseph Edward   5749   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5R (5Co AASC) remain Egypt att Remts 3-16 to 1 DSC (188) 7-16 to MT Dvr 1 MT Co 3-18 F&B deserted 18-12-17 forfit all medals handed himself in at London 11-8-20 reported married Angelina Montalto in Cairo 13-5-16 had son Salvatore mother remarried in 1919 after she was told Williams had died
WILLIAMS   Joseph George   234   Pte   2 VS   remain Egypt to 8 MVS 3-16 to AIF depots UK 9-16 to Cpl AVH 8-17 F&B married Beryl Custance in Wheathampstead UK 31-3-17
WILLIAMS   Morgan   1895   Pte   9 LHR   13R to Dvr 13 BAC 3-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 3-17 F&B to AIF depots UK 8-17 to AProvC 1-18 to NME UK farming married Jessie Tunmore in Wandsworth UK 5-10-18
WILLIAMS   Percy Albert   1822   Pte   7 LHR   13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 39Bty/10 FAB (1822a) 3-16 WIA 14-9-17 thigh near Ypres to Bdr 9-18 to AAOC 12-18 F&B married Emily Morgan in Newport UK 12-6-09
WILLIAMS   William Richard   2894   Pte   02 LHR   20R to 1 LH MGS 11-16 rtn 12-16 to trade test 12-16 to 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 1-17 to 1/AM 3-17 att 17 Trg Sqn in UK 4-17 to Cpl 5-17 to A/Sgt 7-17 rtn 2 Sqn AFC 9-17 to FLt/Sgt 4-18 to Chief Mech 5-18 F&B to NME UK clerical married Edith Clement in Chester UK 25-6-19
WILLIAMSON   Charles Edward   51   Cpl   8 LHR   A Sqn A troop (G) WIA 26-3-17 L/leg at 1st Gaza to Sgt 11-17 WIA 3-5-18 head hit by bully beef tin thrown by Cpl McGlade at Es Salt disch 25-11-18 married Ada Brookfield at St Helens UK 7-9-07 (British Lancashire Hussars & Royal Welsh Fusiliers 10 years)
WILLIAMSON   Charles Leonard    10488   Gnr   4 FAB   2R to 2 DAC 2-16 to Bdr 4 BAC 3-16 to 14Bty/5 FAB 8-17 WIA 5-11-17 gas at Passendaele to Sgt 5-18 prom 2/Lt 1-19 F&B married Agnes Adams at Bibury UK 27-2-19 later WWII Capt 13 PoW Camp
WILLIAMSON   James Albert   1276   Pte   04 LHR   9R to A Sqn 1-16 to 1 Div Cyc Co 3-16 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 5-16 to AIF depots UK 10-16 to DSqn/XXII Corps MR 2-18 to Aust Employ Co 6-18 F&B married Kitty Bronsdon in Warminster UK 26-8-19 brothers Arthur and William GSR
WILLIS   William Louis   2086   Pte   05 LHR   14R to Gnr 52Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 to 50Bty/13 FAB 1-17 recom DCM awarded MM for his actions as a Sig at Passendaele 4-10-17 to Bdr 10-17 prom 2/Lt 9-18 to FCO 114Bty/14 FAB 10-18 F&B married Mary in Australia 23-3-18 (ASqn CMF 4 years)
WILLOX   Arthur Ernest Vincent   2248   Pte   04 LHR   15R to ASqn/1 Anzac LHR 9-16 F&B AKA Wilcox married Alice Leacock in Islington UK 15-9-18 brother William 4 LHR
WILSHIRE   Edward George    3651   Pte   31Bn   8R Tos 1-17 WIA 11-1-7 head & R/arm accident at grenade practice at Fricourt camp WIA 1-10-18 back at Bellicourt F&B married Dorothy Old at Birmingham UK 15-2-19
WILSON   Albert Allan   2019   Pte   13 LHR   13R Tos LH depot UK 12-16 to L/Cpl AProvC Havre 3-17 to ER 2/Cpl 2-19 F&B married Ivy Rogers in Victoria 4-4-18
WILSON   Frederick   83   Cpl   11 LHR   A Sqn att DSqn/02 LHR 8-15 (G) to AProvC Cairo 5-16 rtn 11 LHR 9-17 to 4 LH MGS 7-18 to NME UK motor school to Hon/Sgt Cook AIF HQ 4-19 married Adelaide Blades in Sheffield UK 2-1-20
WILSON   Henry   13669   Pte   AAMC GR   to 2 ASH 10-18 married Sarah Annie in London UK Ex AAMC Special R to 1 AGH F&B RTA MU relist
WILSON   James Robert   156   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to 31Bn (152) 9-16 WIA 21-10-17 L/shoulder at Passendaele F&B married Ethel Polby in Swindon UK 12-6-19
WILSON   John Alexander   4559   Pte   LH Reinf   tos 01 LHR 9-18 married Maude Grosvenor at Dudley UK 15-3-19
WILSON   Madeline Alice Kendall       Sister   14 AGH   HQ Ex 1 AGH (G) to 4 AAuxH 4-16 RTA married Lawless - Pyne 5 LHR
WINKS   Charles John Newton   153   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to DCo/25Bn (153a) 11-16 WIA 29-10-17 gas "W" on Westhoek Ridge at Passendaele to Cpl 7-18 F&B married Grace Osman at Bath UK 21-4-19
WISEMAN   William George   5153   Dvr   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC Tos AProvC 7-16 to 2 FAB 7-16 to Cpl 2 DSC 7-17 to 2 MTCo 8-18 to 6 MT Co 8-18 to Dvr MT 11-18 F&B married Gladys Selway at Durrington UK 15-2-17

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 May 2010, 05:35:38 pm

Ta Steve - have just taken a copy - and will have a look through them as soon as I can.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 May 2010, 09:38:49 am
Mate,

WOOD   Edmund Joseph   1473   Pte   02 LHR   11R to B Troop ASqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Gnr 3 sect/5 DAC 4-16 to Dvr 8-17 F&B married Grace Butler at Boldmere UK 12-4-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 May 2010, 09:25:42 am
Frev

Some more

FREEMAN   George William   1600   Pte   2 Remts   6 Sqn to 13 FA 5-16 att AMC 43Bty/24 FAB 7-16 att 11 FAB 9-16 MM for his actions under fire near Longate 15-4-17 att 4 Div Sig Co 9-17 F&B married Edith Klumper at West Ham UK 1-5-19 (British TA 3 years)

FREEMAN   James Stanley   2029   Pte   7 LHR   14R to 5 DAC 12-16 to batman to Maj McLean 5 Pnr Bn (2029b) 6-17 att CRE 5 Div HQ 12-18 F&B married Nena Emmett at Forrest Hill UK 19-11-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 May 2010, 09:37:52 am
Frev,

CHAMBERS   Basil Cecil   715   Pte   10 LHR   2R remain Egypt att BSqn/Comp LHR att Royal Engineers Matruth 11-15 to Dvr MT AMTS UK 9-16 married Marjoria Shergold at Wilts UK 17-11-17 (WAIR to BSqn/18 LH WAMI CMF 2 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 May 2010, 01:55:16 pm

Hi Steve

Didn't yet have any of the huge list of  "Ws" above - and the 2 Freemans & Chambers are new too.
Looks like I'm going to have to get side-tracked back onto getting the database up to date with all these.

Thanks again, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Sue on 17 May 2010, 05:50:13 pm
My grandfather, Robert Muir, married in Scotland after WW!.  Do you have details on your database?  Do you need any information?
Sue


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 May 2010, 07:29:08 pm
mate,

I do record his being married but not to who as yet?

A check of his file should give the answer

MUIR   Robert   876   Pte   02 LHR   4R to B Sqn (G) att WFF to L/Cpl to T/Cpl C Sqn? married in UK

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 May 2010, 11:33:59 pm

Sue & Steve

I do already have Robert Muir in the database. (876, 2nd LH)
Born c1884 Yetholm, Roxburghshire, Scotland – son of John (a Carrier) & Mary
Enlisted Ayr, Qld
Embarked Port Said 28/3/19 on Malwa for Taranto – for 1 months furlo in UK
Married Annie Ford 6/5/1919 in Roxburgh, Scotland (Annie, aged 35, was a Domestic Servant in Ewell, Surrey)
Returned together on the Windhuk 19/6/19 – 21/8/19 NSW (disch Qld)
Applied for assistance under the War Services Homes Act in 1925 NSW
Died in 1975 in NSW

Sue – I’d be very interested in the following details if you know any of them & would like to share:

When your grandfather first came to Australia & whether he & your grandmother were already ‘an item’ at the time
How many children they had
Whether I have found the correct death registration for your grandfather
When & where your grandmother passed away
Where your grandparents are buried

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Waler on 21 May 2010, 11:11:15 pm
g'day Frev

loved the wedding photo's------------hangover?

anyhow my grandfather was married in England after the war--came home with new bride. It is a good story.
Imagine mother with 3 daughters in Islington London, (father flew the coup to USA), Mother tells daughters, "whatever you do stay away from those Australian soldiers!"--------grandfather wounded at Bullecourt---hospitalised in England--meets Florence (youngest daughter), marries in 1919, sails home with her---lands melbourne, train to Wodonga, train to Tallangatta, horse and buggy to farm, a days travel, so after 3 days arrives at farm, no running water, no electric lamp etc----raises 9 kids, two die at birth, she lives to ripe age (l remember her dearly), Dave dies the day l was born.

subsequent story--l interviewed Flo's sisters in 1992---two remaining daughters take off to USA to find father--finds him gets money to send home--tells him to bugger off for good!  --they meet 2 german immigrants working for henry ford--marry them and stay on in the USA----Emile and joe become photographers and take tours back to germany where Joe was arrested and beaten up by the Nazis in 1930 something for abusing herr hitler at an outdoor meeting--l interviewed joe also in 1992 before he died--joe becomes honorary Navaho for his photographic work recording their life-----

oh--Dave Swasbrick 13th Bn 4AIF, marries Florence Porter 1919------apparently mother-in-law came out to see her darling Flo--was horrified but not enough to make another trip out before she died.
any bits missing? or if you need some added details l can ask eldest daughter now 91---
cheers
richard



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 22 May 2010, 03:43:06 pm

loved the wedding photo's------------hangover?


Hi Richard - no, no hangover - designated driver I'm afraid!  But still had a brilliant time.

Looks like I'm not the only one suffering with 'old timers' disease though (remember the bit about the camera!  ::)).....you see, you already told me the story of your grandfather in Canberra a couple of years ago.  But love the extra story on his sisters-in-law. Their poor old mum must have been beside herself!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Sue on 24 May 2010, 07:10:45 pm
Hi Frev

In reply to your email, my grandfather, Robert Muir (b 12/1/1884), left London 28/6/07, arriving in Brisbane 15/8/07.  He then went to work in the canefields in north Qld.  He met my grandmother, Annie Ford, in London when he was on leave after falling ill at Gallipoli.  They only met the once and then corresponded for the rest of the war, meeting again after the war finished when he travelled to London from Egypt.  They had 2 children, 1 girl (b 1921) who died soon after birth and my father, Robert Muir (b 11/11/22).  My grandfather died 13/11/1975 in Sydney.  He donated his body to the Sydney University.  Annie died 2/5/1980 in Sydney and her ashes were scattered in her garden in Dee Why.
Best wishes
Sue


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 May 2010, 01:15:15 pm

Thanks so much for the extra details on your grandparents Sue.  I was thinking it would have been a 'whirlwind' marriage if they'd only met after the war!
Fascinating that your grandfather donated his body to the Uni - obviously a very far-sighted man.
I'll add these details to my database, which will be very helpful for both their story, and the overall picture of war marriages.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Waler on 26 May 2010, 02:12:01 pm

loved the wedding photo's------------hangover?


Hi Richard - no, no hangover - designated driver I'm afraid!  But still had a brilliant time.

Looks like I'm not the only one suffering with 'old timers' disease though (remember the bit about the camera!  ::)).....you see, you already told me the story of your grandfather in Canberra a couple of years ago.  But love the extra story on his sisters-in-law. Their poor old mum must have been beside herself!

Cheers, Frev

l did eh, oh well, as you say Old Timers is kicking in Frev, but thats the best thing about it---you get to meet new friends everyday----http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJDNsJEnWqk


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 May 2010, 11:24:06 am
Frev,

Here are some morel

BAKER   Sydney Alfred   1302   Bugler   01 LHR   10R att A Troop ASqn/Comp LHR 11-15 WIA 13-12-15 leg at Wadi Senab to Dvr 1 sect/4 DAC 4-16 F&B to T/2/Cpl Admin HQ London 12-18 married Helen Fitzgerald at Swindon UK 15-10-18

BOYLAN   John Jenner   2004   Pte   10 LHR   14R to Dvr 3 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to 43Bty/11 FAB 1-17 F&B married Rose Murphy at Glasgow Scotland 13-8-17 brother Francis 10 LHR

CURTIS   John   1626   Pte   7 LHR   12R to 5 DASP 6-16 to 2 DASP 10-16 to 4 MTCo 3-18 F&B AKA John Curtiss married Amelia Gay at Bath UK 2-10-18

HALL   Leslie William   1869   Pte   10 LHR   13R to Dvr 4 DAC 3-16 to 112Bty/24 FAB 12-16 to 111Bty/11 FAB 2-17 F&B married Mary Meek at Edinburgh Scotland 30-4-19

KANE   Herbert Esmond   44   Pte   01 LHR   A Sqn WIA 7-8-15 serious in charge at Popes post (P) (G) to Dvr att WFF to 2 sect/1 DAC 6-17 to 6Bty/2 FAB 10-17 F&B married Lora Burmmingham in Hitchin UK 15-1-19 brother Jack 5 Bde HQ

LeROY   Bub   443   Pte   9 LHR   C Sqn (G) to Gnr 57Bty/15 FAB 4-16 to X5A MTMB 1-17 to 9 MTMB F&B att APostC ABPO London 1-19 to 2/Cpl 5-19 AKA Bernard Le Roy real name William Patrick Lloyd married Louise Brett at Salisbury UK 24-10-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 June 2010, 10:38:31 am
Frev.

Another

CROSSINGHAM   Richard William   2268   Pte   01 LHR   15R to 4 DAC 7-16 to Gnr Y4A MTMB 8-16 to 8 MTMB 3-18 to Bdr 5-18 F&B married Barbara Reid or (Keid) at Edinburgh Scotland 18-11-18


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 June 2010, 03:22:00 pm

Thanks for these Steve - all new except for Kane (which you'd already given me earlier).

Richard Crossingham married Barbara Reid (the Keid is a typo) - she was born in Whitburn, Linlithgowshire to Matthew & Barbara Reid. Haven't actually established whether she came out to Australia - but the marriage didn't last, because Richard remarried in 1923. (Also served WW2)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 June 2010, 08:00:35 pm
Frev,

These are some you may not have;

BALE   James Albert Thomas    9366   Dvr   3 LH Bde Trn   13R (12Co AASC) Tos 2-16 to AASC Depot UK 2-17 to 4Co 1 Div Trn 11-17 to T/Sgt 11-18 F&B married Gladys Reekes at Amesbury UK 6-10-17

GRAY   Stanley   7072   Dvr   3 LH Bde Trn   8R (12Co AASC) to 46Bn 4-16 to 4 DAC 5-16 to 4 MVS 6-17 to T/Sgt 12-18 F&B married Margaret Wareing at Ormekirk UK 12-5-19

HALL   Stanley   7542   Wheeler   3 LH Bde Trn   11R (12Co AASC) to Dvr 14Co 4 Div Trn 4-16 F&B married Sarah Roberts at Lakenham UK 25-7-17

ROSEVARE   John   9697   Dvr   3 LH Bde Trn   15R (12Co AASC) to 14Co 4 Div Trn 7-16 F&B married Emma Rosevere at Pendleton UK 21-4-19 (British 22nd The Cheshire Regt 5 years)

This women has the same maiden name as her husband, now is she his sister or some relation?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 June 2010, 03:13:35 pm

Steve - once again thanks for these.

Re your question on the Roseveres - I've done a bit of digging and I still can’t answer that for sure one way or the other!!
On the copy of the marriage certificate, John lists his father as Thomas, Emma lists hers as William Henry.
I won’t bore you with all the long winded confusion & assumption, but at this stage it looks to me like John & Emma were first cousins. (although I have to admit - one record I found had me thinking they were siblings for a while  :o )

After John & Emma’s return to Australia, they took up a soldier-settlement farm near Meckering in WA & had 5 surviving children.  A son George was born in England in 1917 (BM) and came out with them on the Indarra.  John died in 1958 & Emma died in 1982, and they’re buried together at the Karrakatta Cemetery in WA.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 June 2010, 09:10:19 am
Frev

Another

HUTCHINSON   Cyril Headle   754   Pte   9 LHR   3R to B Sqn 8-15 (G) to Dvr 60Bty/15 FAB 4-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 WIA 7-9-16 broken R/hand accident kicked by horse near Pozieres to 54Bty/14 FAB 1-17 WIA 21-3-18 back & legs shell concussion near Ypres WIA 30-9-18 L/leg at Bellicourt F&B AKA Cyril Headle Hutchison married Lilly Bacon at Wisbech UK 21-4-19

AUSTIN   Benjamin   3054   Pte   04 LHR   23R to 13 LH dtls 3-17 to Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 2-18 F&B to NME UK married Daisy Steel at West Ham UK 24-5-19

HOWLETT   Charles Robert   627   Pte   7 LHR   1R to B Sqn? 5-15  (G) to Dvr 38Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to 39Bty/10 FAB 3-17 F&B disch 3-2-19 married Emma Tucker at Brantford UK 7-3-18


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 18 June 2010, 02:14:38 pm

Thanks again Steve - 2 out of 3 - Austin & Howlett are both new to me.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 June 2010, 10:55:19 am
Frev,

This may need your expertise;

FINLEY   Harry   1245   Pte   7 LHR   9R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 38Bty/10 FAB 3-16 F&B AKA real name Horace Finley Fenwick married Clarice at Ashton under Lyne UK

He enlisted under a false name (Harry Finley) and gave his brother as NOK saying 'No" to being married.

But when he declares his real name he now has a wife in the UK?

Now was he married before enlistment or during the war?

Have fun.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 June 2010, 05:21:38 pm

Hi Steve
Thanks for this one!

Horace married Clarice Eveyln GODDARD (from Ashton Under Lyne) in the Dec Qtr of 1918 in Prestwich, Lancashire, using his 'real name', which is why he then probably had to declare it to the AIF, so that he could claim her free passage back to Australia with him.  They returned together on the Balmoral Castle 25/3/1919 - 13/4/19.

The marriage doesn't appear to have had a happy ending, as a 'battered' Clarice (living in Glenelg, SA with their 2 children) obtained a maintenance order against Horace in 1929, who was then living in Toowoomba, Qld.

Horace mentions in a further Stat Dec, that he is awaiting trial at the Parramatta Goal in 1931, and there is also a possible connection to a gaol term for involvement in a 'confidence trick' in 1938.  This incident (if him), suggests he could have been born in NZ - and as there doesn't actually seem to be any birth registered for him in Wodonga, Vic (or Albury, NSW) - this could be possible.

Anyway, there may be far more to look into here............!!
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 June 2010, 08:21:45 am
Frev,

Thanks mate always interesting.

Another

GRIMSHAW   William   718   Pte   6 LHR   2R to A Sqn (G) to Gnr 37Bty/10 FAB F&B married Margaret Taylor at St George UK 10-12-17

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 June 2010, 08:42:33 am
Frev

Another

GEER   James   726   Pte   7 LHR   2R tos C Sqn? 7-15 WIA 11-8-15 R/knee & neck bomb at Lone Pine G) to S/Smith 38Bty/10 FAB 3-16 WIA 23-10-17 face at Passendaele F&B married Edith Edwards at Kings Norton UK 17-12-17

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 June 2010, 10:00:55 am
Frev

Another

DEACON   Edward Leighton   2001   Pte   13 LHR   13R to 13 LH Dtls UK 12-16 to Gnr 38Bty/10 FAB (2001a) 2-18 WIA 5-2-18 gas mustard near Ypres F&B married Minnie Delve at Barnstaple UK 29-4-19 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 June 2010, 01:53:23 pm

Hi Steve - thanks for these 3 - all new ones for the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 June 2010, 08:53:24 am
Frev,

No worries here's some more;

DICKSON   Roy St Clair   400   Pte   03 LHR   C Sqn to T/Sig/Cpl 8-15 (G) att WFF to ICC 5-16 to AATD UK 9-16 to Gnr 38Bty/10 FAB 6-17 WIA 27-7-17 R/buttock at Warneton WIA 19-5-18 gas mustard near Villers Bretonneux F&B married Ellen Hare at Choldertow UK 19-10-18

DOWNES   Edward Thomas   427   Pte   7 LHR   B Sqn WIA 5-6-15 back shell near Rest Gully to Cpl 8-15 to T/Sgt 10-15 (G)  to Bdr 38Bty/10 FAB 3-16 F&B disch 18-2-18 MU old injury L/leg married Lena Gage at Paddington UK 9-3-17


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PS

HEAVER   Donald   2027   Pte   03 LHR   14R to Dvr 2 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to 44Bty/24 FAB 9-16 to Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 1-17 WIA 12-9-17 head & R/leg near Ypres WIA 10-8-18 gas at Amiens F&B married Florence May at Exeter UK 23-3-19 (Penola ECo/1Bn SAIR 1907 to CSqn/22 LH 1-7-12 CMF 7 years)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 June 2010, 04:34:26 pm

Ta Steve - 3 more 'newies'.  These will bring the actual database to 1,403 (+ another 500 or so still to add from various lists!)
Getting there......slowly.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 July 2010, 09:48:38 am
Frev,

Another for you

CROCKER   Thomas   393   Pte   6 LHR   C Sqn (G) to Gnr 57Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to Z5A MTMB 7-16 to 10 MTMB 3-18 F&B disch 12-12-18 MU married Dora Ely at Southampton UK 9-6-17

Bushman   26   Sydney NSW and Southhampton UK

Enlist 9-9-14   RTA 24-8-18   (on HMAT Medic)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 July 2010, 07:40:57 pm
Frev

Some more

IRELAND   Eli John   1087   Pte   13 LHR   5R att D Troop CSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Gnr 2 DAC 3-16 to Z2A MTMB 7-16 MM reason not stated around Bullecourt? WIA 7-3-18 L/knee accident F&B disch 10-11-18 MU knee injury married Edith Russell at Bedminster UK 24-10-17 (British Sth Midland Royal Engineers Vols 2 years)

LADYMAN   Leslie Mervyn   704   Pte   8 LHR   2R (G) to Gnr 12 BAC 4-16 to to 4 DAC 4-16 to Z4A MTMB 6-16 to Bdr 3-17 to 8 MTMB 3-18 WIA 4-5-18 mustard gas at Villers Bretonneux F&B to NME UK married Minnie Edwards at West Ham UK 29-6-18 brother Charles 23Bn

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Todays

ARMSTRONG   Joseph   1144   Pte   13 LHR   6R to 5 Div Cav 3-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B to War Records London 1-19 married Janetta Watson at London UK 2-2-19


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 July 2010, 07:33:15 pm
Next

LOCKYER   Frederick   1123   Pte   10 LHR   7R ToS 10-15 to Gnr 1 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to V4A MTMB 6-16 WIA 3-5-17 shell shock at Bullecourt F&B to AAOC AIF depots 8-17 married Lily Harris at Stepney London UK 30-8-19 disch UK wife ill

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 July 2010, 08:38:13 pm

Many thanks again Steve - these are all new ones.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 July 2010, 08:33:11 am
Frev,

For interest check out page 23 of this mans file.

DUNSTONE   William Thomas   1446   Pte   03 LHR   11R to Dvr 2 sect/4 DAC (1446a) 4-16 WIA 27-9-17 fractured L/ankle injury at Polygon Wood to Bdr 8 MTMB 3-18 WIA 27-7-18 gas "W" near Villers Bretonneux F&B (Blackwood Sqn/22 LH CMF 2 years)

It is a page from List 401 of 3 MD, with names of wifes, and Wifes with a child

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 July 2010, 09:46:16 am
Mate,

Another

LEES   Roland   495   Pte   01 LHR   C Sqn disch 31-8-15 RTA VD relist A/Cpl 13R/01 LHR (1943) to Gnr 3 sect/5 DAC 4-16 to V5A HTMB 8-16 F&B to AProvC AIF depots UK 8-17 to ER 2/Cpl 8-18 married Edith Avis at Lewes UK 18-8-19 disch in Capetown AKA alais Ronald George Lees
RTA 10-6-15 RTA 27-3-20 disch South Africa 12-8-20

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 July 2010, 04:54:29 pm

Thanks for these Steve
Especially the Zealandic list in Dunstone's file - I love these lists - so much info in one fell swoop!
Roland Lees is an interesting case - I wonder if his decision to disembark in Sth Africa had something to do with a fear to return home (considering the porkies he told on his first RTA!)....hmmm......
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 July 2010, 08:16:37 am
Mate,

No worries.

I did see page 1 list 401 for 6 MD from the ship you mention in the record of this soldier;

HARDING   Thomas   1600   Pte

see page 9

It only has a few names mentioned.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 July 2010, 11:13:21 am
Frev,

Todays very sad.

CALDERCOTT   John Vincent   1964   Pte   01 LHR   13R to 10 BAC 4-16 to 4 DAC 5-16 to Gnr Y4A MTMB 6-16 WIA 24-8-16 face/jaw shrapnel at Pozieres crimed for not wearing steel helmet WIA 31-10-17 R/leg at Passendaele amputated F&B married RAF Sailmaker Maude Beckensal at Holborn UK 18-5-18 to 4 AGH Randwick reported drown off Palm Beach Manly when caught in rip while bathing AKA John Vincent Caldecott
RTA 30-6-18 DoA 10-12-18

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 11 July 2010, 04:23:51 pm

Steve - the 3 listed in the other Zealandic list are all new to me too - so all good, thanks!

Caldecott definately is another sad one - I had him listed in my Accidental Deaths database - but hadn't yet got to the stage of looking up his file - so didn't know about the marriage (thank you for this).  I will have to look into this further, as I actually have a couple of other men who married O/S & later died in accidents - so I may have to bring them together & tell their stories!  ;)

Not for a while though, 'cos I'm heading away on Tuesday for a couple of weeks.....
So, till later, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 July 2010, 08:02:43 am
Frev.

Enjoy your hollidays I'll just keep posting untill you return.

STAFFORD   Henry Harold   1303   Prov/Cpl   10 LHR   10R Tos 12-15 to Bdr 1 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to Sgt Y4A MTMB 6-16 recom MM awarded MID for his actions at Moquet Farm Pozieres between 16/29-8-16 recom MID for his command between Feb to Sept 1917 to 8 MTMB 3-18 to 7 MTMB 4-18 F&B Ex 7R/11Bn (1127) DNE married Gladys Johnston at Leith Scotland 8-1-19


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Here's another

SWAN   Aubrey Mortimer   1103   Pte   11 LHR   5R to Gnr 43Bty/11 FAB 4-16 to Z2A MTMB 9-17 to 4 MTMB 3-18 WIA 22-3-18 gas near Ypres F&B Ex 1R/15Co AASC disch 11-5-15 married Elspet Ritchie at Aberdeen Scotland 4-4-19

YOUNG   Bertie Elijah   1942   Pte   10 LHR   13R to Gnr 1 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to Cpl Y4A MTMB 6-16 WIA 3-5-17 abdomen buried by shell at Bullecourt F&B disch MU deafness married Lillian at Southampton UK 5-2-17


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 July 2010, 09:32:40 am
Mate,

See page 35 of this mans file

NEWTON   William Gordon   1403   Pte   13 LHR

There is a page of list 357 of 3 MD with wifes and Wifes with child and even a fiancee

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 July 2010, 10:26:08 am
Frev

Another

SUTTON   Thomas   12493   Dvr    AASC R LH Bdes LofC   20R Aug 1916 to AASC Dtls UK 10-16 to 4 Fld Bky 12-16 to Cpl 9-18 F&B to T/Sgt AASC Depot UK 4-19 married Margaret Bonsfield at Blackburn UK 30-9-18


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 July 2010, 09:49:02 pm
Frev,

See page 31 of this mans file

WEST   Albert Ernest    12744   Dvr


Its a page of list 391 of 3 MD with wifes.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 July 2010, 08:49:18 am
Frev

Todays

WALKER   Walter   12729   Dvr    AASC R Div LH LofC   21R Sept 1916 to AASC Dtls UK 1-17 to 28Co 5 Div Trn 6-17 F&B married Emily Wilson at Carbrook UK 16-8-19

PRIEST    Herbert Charles    12727   Dvr    AASC R Div LH LofC   21R Sept 1916 to AASC Dtls UK 1-17 to APayC AIF HQ UK 2-17 to ER Cpl 9-17 to ER Sgt 1-18 married Nina Lyle at Tendering UK 17-2-18

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 July 2010, 03:06:30 pm
Frev

see page 29 of this mans file, list 334 of 4 MD with wifes

BULL   Victor   12856   Dvr

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 July 2010, 07:58:55 pm
Todays

SUMMERHAYES   Jasper James    12884   Dvr    AASC R Div LH LofC   22R Oct 1916 to AASC Dtls UK 1-17 to ER Cpl War Chest AIF HQ London 1-18 married Edith Major at Oldham UK 14-12-18


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 July 2010, 08:33:05 pm
Mate,

See this mans file page 22  list 324 of 6 MD with wives.

MacDONALD   Harold Douglas    14411   Dvr

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 July 2010, 05:33:18 pm
Mate,

Although not one of the men you are after as he was disch in the UK and his fiancee was this women who he states he was marring.

When that happened is unknown?

MINTER   Albert James    12881   Dvr    AASC R Div LH LofC   22R Oct 1916 to AASC Dtls UK 1-17 to 4 MT Co 4-18 F&B to Admin AIF HQ London 12-18 to ER Cpl APayC 2-19 married Nancie Tripe

Just for interest.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 July 2010, 06:51:57 am
Mate,

They married during the war but the date and place as well as the womens name is unknown?

BROWN Charles Henry 13771 Dvr AASC R Div LH LofC 23R Nov 1916 (Field Bakeries and Butcheries) to AASC Dtls UK 2-17 to 1 Fld Bky 5-17 F&B married French girl named J. Oudebert in Rouen disch to live in France Ex 2R/2Bn (1332) WIA 6-5-15 minor (G) disch 22-2-16 (CMF 3 years)

This marrage either didn't work or he later brought his wife back to Australia as he's show as a member of the RSL some time after the war.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 July 2010, 10:21:22 am
Today

CUNNINGHAM   William Joseph    14002   Dvr    AASC R Div LH LofC   24R Feb 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 7-17 to 1Co 1 Div Trn 10-18 to CQMS 3-19 F&B married Ethel Williams at St Giles UK 24-9-19 (Irish Rifles CMF 6 months)

and

SMITH   Norman Rigg    14177   Dvr   AASC R Div LH LofC   25R March 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 7-17 to 1 DASP 10-17 to 1 MTCo 3-18 to 5 MTCo 3-18 F&B to NME UK married Dorothy Hartley at London 19-7-19 (British Eastern Transvaal MR 6 years)


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 August 2010, 04:22:22 pm
Mate.

todays

HANCOCK   James Aloysius    14188   Dvr   AASC R Div LH LofC   25R March 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 7-17 to 4 DSC 10-17 to SMTO Printing 11-17 to Cpl AAOC 3-18 F&B to AIF HQ UK 4-19 to ER Cpl 8-19 to ER Sgt 8-19 married Emily Chapman at Pimlico London UK 11-10-19

See page 23 of this mans file list 334 of 4 MD with wifes

RILEY   Edward Charles    14200   Dvr


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 August 2010, 07:22:41 pm
Tomorrows

LOTHIAN   Jack   14208   Dvr   AASC R Div LH LofC   25R March 1917 to AASC Dtls UK to 1 Fld Bky 7-18 F&B married Christine Macleod at Glasgow Scotland 8-8-19


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 August 2010, 08:59:51 am
Mate

see this man's record

BURDEKIN    James Francis    14369   Dvr


Page 7 of list 334 of 1 MD with wifes and wifes with child.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 August 2010, 08:39:47 am
Today

ELLIOTT   John Westcombe    14586   Dvr   AASC R Div LH LofC   27R May 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 10-17 to 7Bty/3 FAB 11-17 F&B to NME UK married Ethel Lyes at Gloucester UK 10-4-19


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PS

JONES   George   14590   Dvr   AASC R Div LH LofC   27R May 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 10-17 to 107Bty/7 FAB 6-18 WIA 8-8-18 L/shoulder at Amiens F&B married Dorothy Henderson at Sth Lambeth UK 20-10-18


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 August 2010, 09:42:00 pm

Hi Steve - you've certainly kept at it while I've been away!  :D

Thank you for all the extra info - I'll copy it straight away & try to find some time to look through it all soon (after I've finished archiving my 2000+ photos & writing up some reports on my trip that is!!)

Thanks again for all your help
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 August 2010, 07:46:22 pm
Mate,

No worries always glad to help

Next

STEVENS   William John    15081   Dvr   AASC LH Bde LofC   30R Aug 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 12-17 to 4 Fld Bky 11-18 F&B married Evelyna Cooper at Lambeth UK 11-7-18

LAMB   Robert Ernest    14914   Dvr   AASC LH Bde LofC   29R July 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 12-17 to 3 MG Bn 5-18 to Aust Fld Bky 1-19 F&B married Adelaide Tucker at Ilford UK 9-8-19

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: iveco303 on 07 August 2010, 07:58:38 pm
Hi Frev, Was looking at this chaps record for his relations. Could be one for you. Captain Edgar Saul, 10th.Light Horse then 12th. Field Artillery. Married in England to Catherine Ann Isitt. 17/10/18. Phil.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 August 2010, 07:31:49 am
Mate.

PORCHERON   Eugene David    15273   Dvr   AASC LH Bde LofC   31R Sept 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 12-17 to 2Co 1 Div Trn 10-18 F&B married Alice Porter at Paddington UK 11-10-19


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PS

TOYER    Harry William    15283   Dvr   AASC LH Bde LofC   31R Sept 1917 to AASC Dtls UK 12-17 to 1 FAB ammo park 10-18 F&B married Mabel Osman at Little Ilford UK 8-6-19


Also check out page 7 of this mans file for list 324 of 6 MD Wifes and wifes with child

MITCHELL   Edward Camborne    15284   Dvr


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 August 2010, 04:07:44 pm
Hi Frev, Was looking at this chaps record for his relations. Could be one for you. Captain Edgar Saul, 10th.Light Horse then 12th. Field Artillery. Married in England to Catherine Ann Isitt. 17/10/18. Phil.

Thank you Phil - Capt Saul has now been added to my database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 August 2010, 04:24:58 pm

Steve - I've added all the recent names you've given me to the database - all new, thanks.
Haven't had a chance to check into them much further yet, nor check out all the lists you've supplied - but I did follow up on a couple.

YOUNG   Bertie Elijah   1942   Pte   10 LHR   13R to Gnr 1 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to Cpl Y4A MTMB 6-16 WIA 3-5-17 abdomen buried by shell at Bullecourt F&B disch MU deafness married Lillian at Southampton UK 5-2-17

Bertie was born Bertram Elijah YOUNG on the 14/4/1888 at Southampton - son of Henry & Susan YOUNG
He actually married Lilian PARKER at Southampton in the December Qtr of 1916 (whilst on 10 days leave from France)

He was discharged in England 9/11/1917 (MU) and worked on his older brother Ernest’s farm & market garden – Hit or Miss Farm, Nursling, Southampton
They had at least one son: Bertram Vivian Henry Young b.3/9/1917 – died Sept 1996 Southampton

Bertie (Snr) died in 1971 Winchester, Hampshire.


Although not one of the men you are after as he was disch in the UK and his fiancee was this women who he states he was marring.
When that happened is unknown?
MINTER   Albert James    12881   Dvr    AASC R Div LH LofC   22R Oct 1916 to AASC Dtls UK 1-17 to 4 MT Co 4-18 F&B to Admin AIF HQ London 12-18 to ER Cpl APayC 2-19 married Nancie Tripe
Just for interest.


Steve - just for your interest:
Albert James MINTER was discharged Nov 1919 – and didn't marry Nancie Mary Penson TRIPE until the 20 Aug 1921 in Bristol
He had been born 28/5/1888 in Finchley, Middlesex – son of William & Martha Emma (nee Mott) MINTER – he died 28 Dec 1979 Banbury, Oxfordshire
They had 2 children, & Nancie died in 1951

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 August 2010, 04:29:29 pm

They married during the war but the date and place as well as the womens name is unknown?

BROWN Charles Henry 13771 Dvr AASC R Div LH LofC 23R Nov 1916 (Field Bakeries and Butcheries) to AASC Dtls UK 2-17 to 1 Fld Bky 5-17 F&B married French girl named J. Oudebert in Rouen disch to live in France Ex 2R/2Bn (1332) WIA 6-5-15 minor (G) disch 22-2-16 (CMF 3 years)

This marrage either didn't work or he later brought his wife back to Australia as he's show as a member of the RSL some time after the war.


Steve
I can’t at this time source when they married either, but Charles Henry BROWN married Lucie Katherine OUDEBERT, the daughter of Jules Leon & Angela Alice OUDEBERT.

They had returned to Australia by 1925, when their son, also Charles Henry, was born at Moss Vale, NSW.

Charles Snr had been born in Redfern, NSW on the 25/4/1894 – the son of James William & Mary BROWN.  He had originally enlisted in WW1 on the 12/1/1915 (2nd Bn), and his father James enlisted 8 days later (13th Bn).  James was evacuated from Gallipoli medically unfit and began his return to Australia in the September of 1915.

Charles Snr enlisted again in WW2, serving with the 2nd Australian Field Bakery from June 1940 to March 1944.  17 days after his discharge, his 18 year old son, Charles Jnr, enlisted in the RAAF, and served until May 1946.

Charles & Lucie both died at Bowral, NSW in 1970, Lucie in the January & Charles in the March – they are buried together in the All Saints Anglican Church Cemetery, Sutton Forest, NSW.  Their son Charles who died in 1996, is interred in the same cemetery in one of the memorial walls.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 August 2010, 08:33:20 am
Frev,

Thanks for the feed back, yes I also like to see what happened to them always very interesting.

Another

CLARK   Charles Norton   688   Pte   8 LHR   2R (607) to Sig C Sqn 7-15 (G) to 47Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to Gnr 111Bty/11 FAB 1-17 to HQ/11 FAB 12-17 F&B married Letitia Moreland at Fossil Park Scotland 24-10-18


S.B

PS

There's some interesting ones on this mans file, page 8 list 401 of 2 MD

CLARK   George Hugh   1276   Pte

and page 13  for list 401 of 5 MD

HAMMAT   William Edwin Horace   2022   Pte


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 August 2010, 06:48:17 pm
Frev

This is a good one, and may need your expertize.

HANCOCK   James Joseph   26   Pte   11 LHR   RHQ att DSqn/9 LHR 8-15 (G) to Gnr 41Bty/11 FAB 4-16 F&B married Elizabeth Traynor at Dublin Ireland 27-3-17 and Bridget Byrne at Dublin Ireland 15-4-19

Yes he is shown being married twice during the war both times in Ireland.

Cheers

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 August 2010, 03:49:46 pm
Todays

GREGORY   Percy Leonard   727   Pte   10 LHR   2R tos B Sqn 5-15 WIA 30-5-15 minor in raid at Quinns Post (G) to Dvr 2 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to 41Bty/11 FAB 1-17 F&B married Nurse Adelaide Pope at West Bromwich UK 11-1-19 (British London TA)


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 August 2010, 06:58:23 pm
Mate,

Another sad one

KAADEN   Franz Leslie   1518   Pte   8 LHR   12R to Gnr 48Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 24 FAB 6-16 to 43Bty/11 FAB 1-17 WIA 5-4-18 face, L/shoulder & leg shell at Dernancourt F&B married Mary Cowan at Durham UK 6-2-19 died in Australia drowned with wife when boat capsized at Chelsea body not recovered AKA Kadden brother Robert 6Bn KIA

Cheers

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 August 2010, 07:59:13 am
Todays

LESLIE   Alfred Edward   2057   Pte   02 LHR   14R to Gnr 43Bty/11 FAB 4-16 to 111Bty 5-16 WIA 13-6-17 L/hand near Warneton F&B married Isabella Morgan at Kemnay Scotland 6-12-17 (CMF 1 year)


LLOYD   Arthur Edward   76A   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to Gnr 42Bty/11 FAB 8-17 F&B married Olive Cox at Bristol UK 27-6-17

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 August 2010, 11:41:58 am

Another sad one

KAADEN   Franz Leslie   1518   Pte   8 LHR   12R to Gnr 48Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 24 FAB 6-16 to 43Bty/11 FAB 1-17 WIA 5-4-18 face, L/shoulder & leg shell at Dernancourt F&B married Mary Cowan at Durham UK 6-2-19 died in Australia drowned with wife when boat capsized at Chelsea body not recovered AKA Kadden brother Robert 6Bn KIA


Steve – this indeed was a sad one, and one of the many I’ve been meaning to tell the story of for a while.

They married in the February, arrived back in Australia in the August, and died in December! (What a year!)
Mary’s body was washed ashore the day after the accident, and she was buried on Christmas Eve.

Franz’s father, Franz senior, was no newcomer to losing a child – of the 8 children he had with his first wife, 5 didn’t make it through their 1st year, and then he lost his wife as well.  His second wife gave him 6 children, 5 surviving childhood – Franz was one of these, dying age 21 (he was really only 17 when he enlisted).  And as you know, his brother Robert was KIA on the 4/10/17 – he was actually only 17 years & 9 months when he died, having enlisted at 16.

Sadly, Robert is listed on the Menin Gate & I’ve only just returned from commemorating my own G/Uncle who is also listed there, and died on the same day! – pity you hadn’t brought this back to my attention a month or so ago.  :-\  Oh well, maybe next time…..


Thanks for all the other marriages, I’ll look into them next week.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 August 2010, 02:31:21 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate sorry about that.

Another

HEWETT   Ivor Frank Steele   870   Pte   02 LHR   4R tos B Sqn 8-15 att 1 LH Bde HQ as messenger 9-15 (G) to L/Cpl att WFF to Bdr 43Bty/11 FAB (870a) 4-16 to 36 HAG 6-17 to 54 SiegeBty 11-17 to 1 SiegeBty 5-18 F&B AKA Ivor Frederick Steele Hewett married Florence Sproule at Cairo Egypt 27-3-16

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 August 2010, 12:21:29 pm
Todays

BURNS John A. 859 Pte Colt Breaker age 19 Glenelg SA and Princess Park Liverpool UK Enl 18-12-14 Emb 4R/3 LHR. ToS B Sqn 6-8-15 FGCM 24-10-15 sleepling on duty sentenced 10 years PS quashed Gallipoli. att WFF to CTU 5-5-16 to 1Bn 1Co 6-7-16 to L/Cpl 1-8-17 to Cpl 20-12-17 to LH Dtls 1-7-18 to 14 LHR 15-3-19 to UK leave 12-4-19 disch UK 23-12-19 AKA real name John Laverty married Nora Campbell in Liverpool UK 5-6-19

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HUMPHREY   Edward Ernest   1980   Pte   8 LHR   14R to Gnr 48Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 24 FAB 6-16 to Dvr 43Bty/11 FAB 1-17 F&B Ex 13R/9 LHR (1796) DNE married Elsie Baker at Bath UK 25-6-19


For interest check this out;

Application for free passage to the commonwealth for Miss Eveline Mabel Bryant, fiancee of ex no 2398 Gnr Richard Wallace Keating, 43rd Battalion

It has a page with a number of ladys who are not married ?

KEATING   Richard Wallace   2398   Pte   05 LHR   16R to Gnr 4 DAC 11-16 to 43Bty/11 FAB 4-17 WIA 15-4-18 adboman, arms & R/leg at Bullecourt F&B disch 5-11-18 amputated R/leg fiancee Eveline Bryant arrvied later for married

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 August 2010, 07:26:07 am
Today

LAING   John Anderson   1611   A/Cpl   02 LHR   12R to Dvr HQ/11 FAB 4-16 to 111Bty/11 FAB 1-17 F&B married Mabel Hill at Oxford UK 27-1-19


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 August 2010, 05:29:04 pm

This is a good one, and may need your expertize.

HANCOCK   James Joseph   26   Pte   11 LHR   RHQ att DSqn/9 LHR 8-15 (G) to Gnr 41Bty/11 FAB 4-16 F&B married Elizabeth Traynor at Dublin Ireland 27-3-17 and Bridget Byrne at Dublin Ireland 15-4-19

Yes he is shown being married twice during the war both times in Ireland.


Hi Steve
He was obviously determined to bring an Irish bride back to Australia with him (he too was born in Dublin)
His 2nd marriage to Bridget in 1919 lists him as a widower – so Elizabeth died some time after their marriage in 1917 (perhaps in childbirth).
Haven't traced their life in Oz yet.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 August 2010, 05:33:43 pm

HEWETT   Ivor Frank Steele   870   Pte   02 LHR   4R tos B Sqn 8-15 att 1 LH Bde HQ as messenger 9-15 (G) to L/Cpl att WFF to Bdr 43Bty/11 FAB (870a) 4-16 to 36 HAG 6-17 to 54 SiegeBty 11-17 to 1 SiegeBty 5-18 F&B AKA Ivor Frederick Steele Hewett married Florence Sproule at Cairo Egypt 27-3-16


This post was deleted by me 15/4/2012. Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 August 2010, 05:41:13 pm

Thanks again for the others Steve - and I'll add them to the database straight away (& look into them when I can)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 August 2010, 07:54:32 am
Mate,

No worries always glad to help

todays

DOCKERY   Bernard   1865   Pte   02 LHR   13R to Dvr 42Bty/11 FAB 4-16 F&B married Elizabeth Murphy at Holborn UK 2-5-19

DODDS   John Burns   1020   Pte   03 LHR   5R tos B Sqn 8-15 (G) to Dvr 2 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to 41Bty/11 FAB 12-17 F&B married Jeanie Crawford at Blantyre Scotland 18-10-18


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This one may need some checking

GARRETT   John Frederick Spencer   82   Cpl   11 LHR   A Sqn to A/Sgt att DSqn/02 LHR 8-15 (G) to 4 DAC 5-16 prom 2/Lt 5-17 to 17Bty/6 FAB 6-17 to 111Bty/11 FAB 8-17 WIA 30-9-17 gas at Broodseinde WIA 11-2-18 L/arm near Ypres F&B disch 27-8-18 married Amy ? at London UK 23-1-18



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 August 2010, 03:50:30 pm
Mate,

See page 25 of this mans file

AMBROSE   William Frederick    1151   Pte


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 August 2010, 04:40:37 pm
Todays

LILBURNE   Alexander Eion Melville   91   Pte   1 Remts   1 Sqn to Gnr 47Bty/12 FAB 4-16 F&B T/att ER Cpl AIF HQ UK 11-18 to ER/Sgt 7-19 married Mary Cooke at Edinburgh Scotland 25-7-19 AKA Alexander Ian Melville Lilburne

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LOBSEY   Roy   2210   Pte   01 LHR   15R to S/Smith 45Bty/12 FAB 10-17 F&B to NME UK railways married Daisy Clarke at Halstock UK 24-7-17 relist 1Bn Grenadier Guards (2608464) in 14-7-21


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 August 2010, 08:16:12 am
Today

LYTTLE   Arthur John   2441   Pte   13 LHR   20R tos Gnr 46Bty/12 FAB 1-18 WIA 28-9-18 gas near St Quentin Cannal & MM reason not stated possibly around the same time to T/Bdr 1-19 F&B to APayC London 6-19 to ER 2/Cpl 1-20 married Sarah Parham at Newington UK 26-10-19

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KING   Reginald Tilby   1177   Pte   10 LHR   8R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 112Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to Bdr 10-16 prom 2/Lt 4-18 to 46Bty 5-18 rtn 112Bty 6-18 F&B married Bessie Taylor at Sudbury UK 18-3-18 later WWII (British Yeomanry TA)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 August 2010, 04:41:35 pm

This one may need some checking

GARRETT   John Frederick Spencer   82   Cpl   11 LHR   A Sqn to A/Sgt att DSqn/02 LHR 8-15 (G) to 4 DAC 5-16 prom 2/Lt 5-17 to 17Bty/6 FAB 6-17 to 111Bty/11 FAB 8-17 WIA 30-9-17 gas at Broodseinde WIA 11-2-18 L/arm near Ypres F&B disch 27-8-18 married Amy ? at London UK 23-1-18

Hi Steve
Some extra info on above:

JFS Garrett married Amy DAVIS in the Dec Qtr of 1917 at St Geo Hanover Squ, London
By 1918 she was living with his mother Alice in Redhill, Surrey.
He embarked England 8/4/1918 on the Dunluce Castle & then again at Suez 27/4/18 on the Karoola, arriving NSW 28/5/1918

Born 19/4/1884 at Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire – son of Alice & Frederick Mills Garrett – he died at Concord in NSW in 1967, age 83 (reg. Newtown)
Haven't traced whether she came out to Australia yet.


Thanks for all the others - all new.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 August 2010, 06:39:07 pm
Frev

Thanks mate.

Another

FORD   Albert Edward   1725   Pte   01 LHR   12R tos Anzac Police AProvC 4-16 to Gnr 119Bty/12 FAB 10-16 to 2 sect/1 DAC 5-17 to 6Bty/2 FAB 8-17 F&B maried Agnes Duce at Brixton UK 24-12-18 Ex 11R/7 LHR (1479) DNE

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GIBBS   William John   1569   Pte   8 LHR   12R tos C Sqn 12-15 to Gnr 46Bty/12 FAB 4-16 WIA 18-4-18 back shrapnel at Dernancourt F&B disch 19-10-18 married Edith Cummings at Chard UK 26-6-18 Ex 14Bn (999) DNE disch 17-10-14 MU


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 August 2010, 09:09:55 am
Todays

DEVERY   John Joseph   2406   Pte   02 LHR   16R to 119Bty 10-16 to Dvr 112Bty/12 FAB 3-17 F&B married Ruth Sade at Bristol UK 26-4-19

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DUNSTAN   Thomas   1187   Pte   8 LHR   9R to Dvr 46Bty/12 FAB 4-16 RTA MU hernia reemb 8R/14 FAB (30541) to 3 DAC 8-17 to 31Bty/8 FAB 9-17 WIA 14-10-17 head at Passendaele F&B to NME UK married Sarah Holden at Burrow in Furness UK 14-6-19


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 August 2010, 07:51:36 am
Todays

Just for interest

DRUMMOND   Dugald      2/Lt   6 LHR   B Sqn (G) WIA 20-9-15 L/thigh at Ryries Post disch 14-11-16 relist Lt Home Svcs LH depot Manangle relist Lt Special Service escort to German PoWs to UK died pneumonia buried Rookwood Cemetery NSW AKA Dougald Drummond (NSWMR Boer War ASqn/NSWMR DCM MID (28) recom for VC and Lt ESqn/3 NSWMR) married Elsie Hearndon Matron of Moree Hosp at Sydney 11-9-18

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FECHNER   John Edward   2046   Pte   8 LHR   14R to 46Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to Dvr 4 Sect/1 DAC 8-16 F&B married Jannie Young at St Giles Edinburgh Scotland 19-5-19


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 August 2010, 10:35:38 am
Today

HOLMES   George Ernest   1254   Pte   8 LHR   10R to B Sqn 12-15 (G) to Gnr 48Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 45Bty/11 FAB 1-17 to 112Bty/12 FAB 9-17 to 47Bty 3-18 WIA 15-8-18 gas "W" near Proyart F&B to 2/Cpl AIF HQ UK 6-19 married May Loveland at Warminster UK 22-3-19


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 August 2010, 09:29:37 am
Today

CALLAGHAN   Henry Craig   1799   Pte   8 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Gnr 46Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 112Bty 10-17 to BHQ 3-18 rtn 46Bty 6-18 rtn BHQ 9-18 F&B to NME UK married Emily Garnham WRAF at Kensal Green UK 30-9-19

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 25 August 2010, 11:28:10 pm

CALLAGHAN   Henry Craig   1799   Pte   8 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Gnr 46Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 112Bty 10-17 to BHQ 3-18 rtn 46Bty 6-18 rtn BHQ 9-18 F&B to NME UK married Emily Garnham WRAF at Kensal Green UK 30-9-19


Steve - thanks again for all the new marriages.
This one is particularly interesting because it's the first one in the database with an English bride that was in the WRAF (have one that was in the WAAC, a few Munitions Wkrs, & heaps of nurses of course)

Some extra detail I've gathered - just for your interest:
Henry Craig CALLAGHAN was born 21/1/1897 at Benalla, Vic - son of Francis Peter & Jane Hurst (nee Macauley) Callagahan.
Emily Florence GARNHAM was born 23/7/1896 at Kilburn, London - daughter of Frederick Charles & Emily (nee Gurrin) Garnham.
After their marriage they returned together on the Bahia Castillo 17/4/20-19/6/20. 
Henry died 25/11/1978 at Heidelberg, age 81, & was cremated at the Springvale Cemetery were his ashes are interred in the Nevile Wall
Emily died 12/3/1986 (just a few months short of her 90th birthday) & her ashes are also in the Nevile Wall
[One day I'll photograph their plaques if I can ever get back to photographing Springvale!!]

Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 25 August 2010, 11:31:06 pm

Just for interest

DRUMMOND   Dugald      2/Lt   6 LHR   B Sqn (G) WIA 20-9-15 L/thigh at Ryries Post disch 14-11-16 relist Lt Home Svcs LH depot Manangle relist Lt Special Service escort to German PoWs to UK died pneumonia buried Rookwood Cemetery NSW AKA Dougald Drummond (NSWMR Boer War ASqn/NSWMR DCM MID (28) recom for VC and Lt ESqn/3 NSWMR) married Elsie Hearndon Matron of Moree Hosp at Sydney 11-9-18


Thanks for sharing this one - very fascinating to read the Bio in his service record.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 August 2010, 07:51:20 am
Frev

No worries, I am now looking more at the women on these forms for odd coments like that (Nurse or WRAF)

Todays

EVERSHED   David Victor   1264   Pte   8 LHR   10R Tos 12-15 (G) to Gnr HQ/12 FAB 4-16 to Spr Sig sect 6-17 to Aust Corps Sig Co 3-18 F&B to NME UK married Ivy Bashford at East Preston UK 15-7-19 AKA Douglas Victor Evershed (British ASqn/The Sussex Yeomanry 8 months)

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ADDERLEY   Richard Thomas   1840   Pte   05 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 50Bty/13 FAB 4-16 F&B to War Chest AIF HQ UK 2-18 married Rose Harlow at West Ham UK 12-1-19


Also chect out page 26 of that mans file it has list 357 of 1 MD with wifes and wifes with child in it.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 August 2010, 09:17:18 am
Today

LLOYD   David   1450   Pte   05 LHR   11R to Gnr 49Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC (1450a) 9-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB 10-17 F&B to NME UK married Laura Edwards at Bourton UK 20-1-17

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There is a page (page 7) you may find interesting in this blokes file (3rd class passengers HMTS "Manatua" full of ladies names, some married others not?

LYALL   Cecil Herbert   1571   Pte


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 August 2010, 03:45:27 pm

EVERSHED   David Victor   1264   Pte   8 LHR   10R Tos 12-15 (G) to Gnr HQ/12 FAB 4-16 to Spr Sig sect 6-17 to Aust Corps Sig Co 3-18 F&B to NME UK married Ivy Bashford at East Preston UK 15-7-19 AKA Douglas Victor Evershed (British ASqn/The Sussex Yeomanry 8 months)

ADDERLEY   Richard Thomas   1840   Pte   05 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 50Bty/13 FAB 4-16 F&B to War Chest AIF HQ UK 2-18 married Rose Harlow at West Ham UK 12-1-19

Also chect out page 26 of that mans file it has list 357 of 1 MD with wifes and wifes with child in it.

Thanks for these Steve - all new, including most of those on the Osterley list in Adderley's file.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 August 2010, 03:48:39 pm
LLOYD   David   1450   Pte   05 LHR   11R to Gnr 49Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC (1450a) 9-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB 10-17 F&B to NME UK married Laura Edwards at Bourton UK 20-1-17

There is a page (page 7) you may find interesting in this blokes file (3rd class passengers HMTS "Manatua" full of ladies names, some married others not?
LYALL   Cecil Herbert   1571   Pte


Ta for these too - I’ll add the list from Lyall's file to my little pile of lists in the ‘too hard basket’ – these are a few of the women in a small contingent of 250 wives & sweethearts that traveled on the Matatua from London to Australia in Dec 1919 / Jan 1920.  Matching them up with their men is a doozy! But I'll get there one day  ;)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 August 2010, 07:45:24 pm
Frev

Todays

CLAYTON   Philip Henry   1476   Pte   05 LHR   11R to Gnr 52Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 to 50Bty/13 FAB 1-17 to Sig 9-17 F&B married Adelina Highfield at Burnley UK 8-4-19

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 August 2010, 10:19:10 am
Today

FIRTH   Charles Edward   391   Sig   05 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Gnr 49Bty/13 FAB 12-16 to APostC AIF HQ UK 10-17 rtn Bdr BHQ/13 FAB 2-18 WIA 30-6-18 head & R/thigh shrapnel at Villers Bretonneux F&B married Jessie Whitefoot in London UK 21-1-18

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 August 2010, 09:47:45 am
Today

GREGORY   Benjamin Montague   1561   Pte   05 LHR   12R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 49Bty/13 FAB 3-16 F&B married Maggie Riddle at Roxburgh UK 23-9-18

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 August 2010, 07:31:01 pm
Today

GILMORE   William Sylvester   262   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Gnr 52Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to BHQ/13 FAB 5-16 WIA 28-5-18 gas near Villers Bretonneux F&B married Violet Treweek at West Ham UK 13-11-18

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 September 2010, 09:48:14 pm

Thanks Steve - these 4 men are all new to me - and have all now been added to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 September 2010, 07:37:54 pm
Frev,

Check out page 14 for list 300 4 MD with wifes

BUCHANAN   Hugh   1729   Pte

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 September 2010, 07:52:08 am
Today

FANNING   John Rogers   1563   Pte   05 LHR   12R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 49Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 5-16 rtn 49Bty 8-16 WIA 3-11-17 feet accident WIA 14-8-18 L/Leg near Proyart F&B married Laura Hickson at Warrington UK 23-12-18

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HEAP   Albert John   550   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn 5-15 (G) to Dvr 52Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 WIA 19-10-16 accident kick from horse carrying ammo to gun line at Flers FGCM 19-12-18 AWoL from 28-12-17 to 11-12-18 sentence 12 months detention to Lewes detn Barraks F&B married Catherine McKenna at Manchester UK 22-12-17

INWOOD   Herbert Francis   1623   Pte   6 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 113Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 113Bty/13 FAB (1623a) 7-16 WIA 4-8-18 minor at Villers Bretonneux F&B married Ammo worker Ellan McMillan at Falkirk Scotland 23-4-19


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 September 2010, 01:29:12 pm

Check out page 14 for list 300 4 MD with wifes
BUCHANAN   Hugh   1729   Pte


Hi Steve - pity, I've already come across this one before.
But keep them coming as you find them
Thanks, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 September 2010, 01:37:03 pm

FANNING   John Rogers   1563   Pte   05 LHR   12R Tos 1-16 to Gnr 49Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 5-16 rtn 49Bty 8-16 WIA 3-11-17 feet accident WIA 14-8-18 L/Leg near Proyart F&B married Laura Hickson at Warrington UK 23-12-18

HEAP   Albert John   550   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn 5-15 (G) to Dvr 52Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 WIA 19-10-16 accident kick from horse carrying ammo to gun line at Flers FGCM 19-12-18 AWoL from 28-12-17 to 11-12-18 sentence 12 months detention to Lewes detn Barraks F&B married Catherine McKenna at Manchester UK 22-12-17

INWOOD   Herbert Francis   1623   Pte   6 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 113Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 113Bty/13 FAB (1623a) 7-16 WIA 4-8-18 minor at Villers Bretonneux F&B married Ammo worker Ellan McMillan at Falkirk Scotland 23-4-19


Ta Steve - Fanning & Heap are both new.

Herbert INWOOD is one of Trevor Munro & Graeme Hosken's Wellington boys (from "Wellington's Finest") - Their book contains a Bio on him as well as a photo of him in LH uniform if you ever need these extra details. Some extra info not in the book: Herb was born 19/1/1891 & died 6/12/1949.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 September 2010, 07:55:32 am
Frev

Hears another list on page 8  for list 343 of 1 MD

KERR   William George   2438   Pte

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This may interst you

KINGSBURY   Ernest Lionel   268   Sig   05 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Sgt 55Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to BSM 9-16 MID for his actions between Feb to Sept 1917 prom 2/Lt 51Bty/13 FAB 10-17 MC for his actions after an air attack near Montbrehain 8-10-18 F&B married VAD Nurse Rose King at London UK 5-3-19 (QMI 1903 CMF 4 months)




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 September 2010, 09:27:10 am
Frev

This bloke may cause you trouble as when or where he married is not shown?

I record this

CATE   Reginald Hamilton      2/Lt   31Bn   4R tos 4 Div Cyc Co 5-16 to 1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B to Capt LH Trg depot UK 7-18 to ADAAG AIF depots 2-19 married Jean at Andover UK 21-3-19 RTA via USA and Canada

(10 IR 12-08 to 22 Sig Troop 2-09 to 22 LH 11-12 CMF 4 years to Capt 3rd Victorian Rifles of Canada 1921-22 rtn Capt 52Bn 2-1-25 to Maj 26-8-26 to 10 LHR 13-10-27 CO RHQ 10-28 to 1-29 to 31Bn 26-6-29 to RofO 13-1-31 later WWII Capt VDC

What his wifes maiden name is I am unsure as the only document has her married name.
And if they were married at Andover and the date are obly a change of pay?

Bon chance

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 September 2010, 05:23:12 pm
Hears another list on page 8  for list 343 of 1 MD
KERR   William George   2438   Pte

This may interst you
KINGSBURY   Ernest Lionel   268   Sig   05 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Sgt 55Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to BSM 9-16 MID for his actions between Feb to Sept 1917 prom 2/Lt 51Bty/13 FAB 10-17 MC for his actions after an air attack near Montbrehain 8-10-18 F&B married VAD Nurse Rose King at London UK 5-3-19 (QMI 1903 CMF 4 months)


Ta Steve - pity, already had the list from Kerr's records too!

Kingsbury is a new one - haven't been able to establish much detail on his young VAD wife yet, but I'm fairly sure that being so young, she would have probably been British & not Australian.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 September 2010, 05:27:40 pm
This bloke may cause you trouble as when or where he married is not shown?
I record this

CATE   Reginald Hamilton      2/Lt   31Bn   4R tos 4 Div Cyc Co 5-16 to 1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B to Capt LH Trg depot UK 7-18 to ADAAG AIF depots 2-19 married Jean at Andover UK 21-3-19 RTA via USA and Canada

(10 IR 12-08 to 22 Sig Troop 2-09 to 22 LH 11-12 CMF 4 years to Capt 3rd Victorian Rifles of Canada 1921-22 rtn Capt 52Bn 2-1-25 to Maj 26-8-26 to 10 LHR 13-10-27 CO RHQ 10-28 to 1-29 to 31Bn 26-6-29 to RofO 13-1-31 later WWII Capt VDC

What his wifes maiden name is I am unsure as the only document has her married name.
And if they were married at Andover and the date are obly a change of pay?

Merci Steve - an interesting one!

Other detail I've found so far:

Reginald Ian Hamilton Cate – b.6/9/1892 in Norwood, SA

Married Jean Boyd REID in the Dec Qtr of 1918 at Andover – daughter of Archibald REID & Mary MUNDELL – she died 30/6/1954 at a private hospital, Vic, age 65 (death notice has no mention of children) – cremated Springvale Cemetery 2/7/1954 and ashes scattered.

Miss Jean Boyd REID, governess, age 30 from Canada, traveled to England on the Rotterdam, arriving Falmouth 30/8/1915

Appointment terminated England 12/9/19
Living Canada 1921 (& for maybe 3 to 4 years after) to continue his Engineering studies (& also probably to visit wife’s family)

Electoral Roll:  Townsville, Qld 1930;  St Kilda, Vic 1937;  Camberwell, Vic 1943, 1949, 1954
Died Heidelberg April 1980, age 87 – parents William & Mary – cremated at Springvale Cemetery 30/4/1908 & his ashes scattered

NOK on Attestation: cousin - Mrs Kathleen Berry of NSW

Brother?: Harold Maxwell CATE – Staff Sgt 1866, 48th Bn – b.c1893 Norwood – also lists cousin Mrs Berry of NSW as NOK


Cheers again, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 September 2010, 11:06:57 am
Frev.

Thanks mate always interesting.

Todays

One I was talking to Bill about;

BOLAND Sylvester 3616 Pte DNE 28R/04 LHR deserted 28-5-17 relist 20R/22Bn (6766) Tos BHQ (6766a) 5-18 WIA 22/23-7-18 gas Yellow cross one of fifty men gassed during night at Villers Bretonneux F&B married Rachel Brown at Durham UK 28-6-19 later WWII


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 September 2010, 05:29:50 pm
Frev

Another of those strange ones for you.

He shows no marrage on enlistment but the marriage doc shows they were married in 1912?

LEVINS   Bernard   2881   Pte   02 LHR   20R tos 1 LH MGS 11-16 married Alice Bates at Nottingham UK 2-7-12

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 September 2010, 04:54:39 pm
Today

GORDON   William George   57   Dvr   03 LHR   MG Sect WIA 29-5-15 head at Courtneys Post (G) att WFF to Sgt 1 LH MGS 7-16 MM MID for his actions at Magdhaba 28-12-16 + Bar for his actions at Abu Tellul 14-7-18 married Nurse Hedvig Nawten at Barnes Surrey UK 10-4-19 (Boer War 2 Scottish Horse)? (British Army 13 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 September 2010, 01:43:26 pm

Thanks Steve
Boland & Gordon are new.

And I guess (re: Levins) I'd better start up a new list of Brits that married in England before the war - came to Aus - enlisted in the AIF as single men - then decided to declare their wives on RTA so they could claim free passage to Aus for them.  This could be quite an interesting study! I know we've both come across a few of these before, but I've not recorded mine, and the ones you've shared with me will be lost with the old forum I guess.....

Did a little research already on Gordon, because of his nursing wife - but sadly I don't have easy access to Sth Australian records, so haven't traced their life on return to Aus, however out of interest - he gave his age on enlistment as going on 38 – he was actually 44 years old – having been born in 1870 at Bow, London – the son of James Sparks GORDON & Mary Ann PENNINGTON.

Hedvig Norrie Hearn NAWTON (Nawten on certificate is a typo) was born c1877 in Kent, and was a Draper’s Assistant in 1901 at the age of 24, so was most probably a VAD Nurse during the war.  She appears to have been related to William through the Pennington’s.

Anyway.....
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 September 2010, 01:24:15 pm
Frev.

This bloke is a sad case

De BRITT   Bertie   124   Pte   12 LHR   A Sqn att 01 LHR 8-15 (G) to AProvC MMP att Police HQ Cairo 3-16 to Dvr 4 LH MGS 2-17 to 1 LH MGS 8-18 murdered his estranged wife and killed himself with razor in Sydney suicide 3-5-31

See page 16 od his file

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 23 September 2010, 04:34:06 pm

Hi Steve - looks like you're changing the subject - I may have to change the topic heading!!  :D

Anyway, thanks for this one - I don't think I have him yet (most of my suicide, murder, & murder/suicide cases are still in a huge pile of papers waiting to be added to the computer....)

Interesting to note that one of the other murder/suicide cases I do have on the computer was also originally a 12th LH man - 2602 Garnet Alexander ROBB - in 1928 he shot & killed his aunty & 2 other people (also wounding another) before turning the gun on himself.

Having a quick look into de Britt - I came across a fascinating cross-reference.  You always wonder with these cases whether it was 'the war at fault' - 'would have happened anyway' - or a combination of all that had gone before.
The interesting cross-reference was that in 1936 one of his younger brothers carried out a similar scenario - and he had been too young at the time to go to war....hmmm!

Not sure if you have it recorded, but Bertie de Britt had 3 other brothers that also served in WW1 - 2 started out in the 6th LH although one of these, Bernard, never sailed & was discharged just over a year later, medically unfit.

The other 2 brothers were Anthony John (1383) & Matthew (7728).

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: john on 23 September 2010, 04:44:54 pm

Hi Steve
Did you read this article re De Britt

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16759350?searchTerm=bertie de britt

John Qld


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 September 2010, 10:56:06 am
Mates,

Thanks for the feed back,

Yes thats why I posted him, for interest sake, thank you for the brothers as I missed them.

Mate the newspaper cutting appears the same as the one in his file.

You have to wonder if the war set him off or some other reason? But not the first man to kill his wife and or kids during an estrangment.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: john on 24 September 2010, 12:46:24 pm
Hi Steve
Bertie De Britt seemed to have a bit of trouble after leaving the army. In 1927 he took the Patrick Plains to court over a compensation claim. In 1929 he was in court on a charge of stealing his employer's clothes and pawning them while working for him as a chauffeur. He claimed he did it because the emplyer owed him wages. He was aquitted.

Re his brother, Vincent, attempt to kill his girlfriend in 1936 had a unusual ending - both girls first name was Jessie.

John Qld


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 October 2010, 07:56:04 pm
Frev,

Sorry its been a while but I am looking at the MG Sqn's and many of these never got the chance to meet women.

GILLIS   George   2942   Pte   05 LHR   21R tos 2 LH MGS 6-17 to NME UK carpentry married Rosina Cook at St George London UK 13-11-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 October 2010, 10:56:49 am
Frev,

I am not sure if you have this list but see file of this man page 12

DWYER   Clarence Joseph   122   Pte

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 08 October 2010, 02:54:53 pm

Steve - no worries - I've been side-tracked on other things as well!

Thanks for Gillis & the list in Dwyer's file (which I didn't yet have) - I'll be swapping back to the Marr O/S database for a while  ;)

John - it's amazing the info you find in the papers isn't it - & even when it's not always complimentary, it at least 'puts some meet on the bones' of these men we're so fascinated by!

Cheers all, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 October 2010, 08:28:48 am
Frev,

Here's another list on page 10 of this mans file;

DYSON   William Stanley   2464


S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 11 October 2010, 12:39:40 pm

Hi Steve - just got around to checking out the list in Dyson's file - and didn't yet have it either - great, and thanks again.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 October 2010, 09:38:26 am
Frev,

Sorry mate but here's another one of those all to few MGS men who married;

STONE   Joseph   442   Pte   7 LHR   B Sqn (G) to Bdr 103Bty/3 FAB 3-16 WIA 15-9-18 gas near Epehy F&B married Lilian Hope at Hallow Worcester 7-11-17

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 October 2010, 09:16:03 am
Mate,

Just when you find one another pops up

VINNICOMBE   Herbert   85   Pte   7 LHR   MG Sect to L/Cpl 8-15 (G) to AProvC Cairo 4-16 rtn 7 LHR 7-16 to AIF depots UK 10-16 rtn 7 LHR 7-17 to Guard 2 LH Bde HQ 10-17 to Dvr 2 LH MGS 12-17 T/att 7 MVS 7-18 married Jessie Barclay at Reading UK 22-1-16 (British TA 3 months)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 October 2010, 03:38:13 pm

Ta Steve - 2 more newies - cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 October 2010, 07:46:45 pm
Frev.

Check this out to see if you have it, page 23 of this mans file

MERNAGH   Joseph   2469

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 October 2010, 08:04:19 am
Frev,

I think I've given you this bloke before, but just in case;

MUIRHEAD   Henry   1255   Pte   05 LHR   9R att C Troop BSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to C Sqn 1-16 to Dvr 4-16 to 2 LH MGS 9-16 WIA 25-9-18 minor in fighting around Amman to L/Cpl 2-19 to NME UK married Maud Kenyon at Southwark UK 24-11-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 October 2010, 09:16:45 am
Frev

Another

FINCH   Charles Hilling   3052   Pte   11Bn   11R Tos 1-16 to 51Bn 2-16 to 13 MG Co 3-16 (4 MG Bn) F&B to NME UK poultry farming married Winifred Locke at Lambeth London UK 22-3-19 shown as 4 LH MGS? later WWII


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 October 2010, 01:36:43 pm
Another

FLETCHER   James   1953   A/Cpl   12 LHR   12R tos 4 LH MGS 2-17 (not B) to APayC AIF HQ 12-17 to ER 2/Cpl 4-18 Ex FCo/1Bn AN&MEF (722) to L/Cpl 9-14 to Rabaul disch 4-3-15 married Vilna Snell at Cairo Egypt 1-6-18

Cheers

S.B

PS

Maye

This bloke may interest you

GREEN   Edward   793   Cpl   04 LHR   3R Tos 7-15 (G) to 4 LH MGS 2-17 to Sgt 5-17 to UK leave 1-18 rtn 3-18 MID reason not stated killed at Es Salt NKG listed on Jerusalem Memorial Palestine

when he went on UK leave he was engaged to Alice Vickery from Devon UK but no record of marrage?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 25 October 2010, 03:09:41 pm

Sorry Steve, been off-line for a while.

Thanks for all these marriages - all of which are new to me - including the big list in Mernagh's file.

Another sad case with GREEN - (no marriage registered before his death).  He certainly saw something of the world though - born in Sth America, grew up in the UK, lived in Australia from the age of 16, and died in Palestine.......

A special thanks for FLETCHER - I don't have a record of many soldiers marriages to local girls in Egypt (though I know there were many).
A little more detail on James Fletcher:  He was born at Wallsend, NSW 5/6/1895 - son of William & Florence May Fletcher.  Put his age back by 10 years & served in WW2 from 1940-43 - a Lieut with HQ Guard Bn.  Died at the age of 58, on the 12/10/1953 and is buried at the Nyngan General Cemetery, NSW.  By the following year, Vilma was living in Merrylands, NSW (haven't found her death yet)

Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 October 2010, 03:21:57 pm
Frev,

Another Egyptian marrage;

WILKIE   Lesley Alexander      2/Lt   04 LHR   16R to CTU ICC 11-16 WIA 13-2-17 spine accident thrown from camel rtn B Sqn 7-17 to CSqn/04 LHR (B) WIA 10-11-17 L/thigh at Ijseir RTA on 4 weeks leave reemb rtn 04 LHR Ex 8R/5Bn prom 2/Lt 17-1-16 DNE married Ruth Maughan - Nee Robson in Egypt 21-1-17 related G Wilkie

The wife is shown as Ruth Maughan, as her married name her former name or Nee, is Robson.

I am sure you can sort this out.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 30 October 2010, 02:03:50 pm

Hi Steve

Yes, I have sorted it out – and thank you so much for this.

It turns out that Ruth hadn’t been previously married – her maiden name was Ruth Maughan ROBSON – and she was a Queenslander, and member of the AANS.
Just when I thought I’d found all the AANS nurses who’d married O/S – you’ve given me another – increasing my list to 115 (big thanks!).

To fill you in:
Ruth was born 20/2/1899 Mt Whitestone, Qld – the daughter of William Gray ROBSON & Eliza CAMERON.  [Her brother Pte Frank Robson (2437A, 9th Bn) was killed in France 22/7/16]

She had originally embarked for Egypt with the 1st AGH 15/5/15 on the Mooltan – and already having returned to Aus once on transport duty, was about to return again on the Euripides (22/1/17) – so a hasty wedding was arranged with Lesley before she boarded.  They were married at the C of E Garrison Chapel at the 14th AGH, Abbassia on the 20/1/17.

As was the AANS policy, her appointment was terminated on her arrival in Aus – and she gave birth to their first child later that year.  She died on the 6/9/1976.

Lesley who had been born 3/8/1883 in Windsor, Vic – was the son of Daniel WILKIE & Jane Frances MOODY.  He died at the Mt Morgan Hospital, Qld on the 3/2/1941.
His brother Gilbert Elliott WILKIE had served as Pte / Gnr 2035, 8th LH / 12th FAB

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 November 2010, 09:30:27 am
Mate,

Found this in this mans file

SEARLE   Cecil Leslie   884   Pte


see page 11

Samuel HJ Searle 56Bn

married Alison H Walker at St Giles Edinburgh Scotland 31-10-18

Placed in the wrong file but one you may not have.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 November 2010, 09:46:16 am
Frev,

Another

SEMMENS   Albert Arthur   580   Pte   11 LHR   C Sqn att DSqn/9 LHR 8-15 (G) to MG sect 3-16 to L/Cpl Cpl 4 LH MGS 2-17 to Cpl 5-17 (B) to Sgt 8-18 to NME UK confectionary married Annie Burrows at Inverness Scotland 21-8-19 AKA served as Herbert Willie Semmens born 5-12-96 later WWII


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 November 2010, 06:02:23 pm
Frev,

This may interest you. I can't find a date of marrage but one to check on;

DEPLEDGE   George Arthur      Lt   9 LHR   A Sqn (G) to 114Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to 115Bty 5-16 WIA 4-3-17 face/eye near Flers to 5 DAC 3-17 to claims officer 5 Div HQ 3-17 to 114Bty/14 FAB 4-18 to Capt 11-18 F&B married Nurse Henrietta Perrin AANS (BSqn/22 LH CMF VD) later WWII Pte VDC born 14-8-83 brother James Sea Transport

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 November 2010, 08:58:49 pm

Hi Steve

Thanks for Samuel Searle - his details are new to me.

Albert Semmens was already in the database (from the Konigin Luise passenger list)

Not sure about Geo Depledge & Sister Perrin just yet - unless they married early in Egypt & kept the marriage a secret (as some did) it's looking very much like they might have married after the war in Aus.  But that's okay - I have a file for them too  :D - ta.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 November 2010, 09:10:19 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

another

LYALL   John   1783   Pte   05 LHR   12R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 55Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 1 Sect/1 DAC 4-17 rtn 55Bty/14 FAB 9-17 to 4 DASP 11-17 F&B to AIF depots UK 12-17 disch 2-8-18 MU eye sight married Elizabeth Geoghegan at Drumcliffe UK 3-10-17 AKA real name John Merity

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 November 2010, 08:49:37 am
Today

HARDING   Charles Stanley   1696   Pte   03 LHR   12R tos Gnr 114Bty/14 FAB (1969a) 11-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 6-17 disch 16-2-19 MU married Elizabeth Peeks at Exeter UK 22-3-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 November 2010, 09:45:44 am
Frev

Another list page 6 of this mans file;

KEAM   Francis William   3243   Pte

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 November 2010, 10:16:34 am
Today

KEARNS   Ernest Edwin   1897   Pte   6 LHR   13R Tos 1-16 to BQMS 115Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 7-16 to BSM 9-18 MSM for his work between Sept to Oct 1918 F&B married Florence Allam at Holywood Scotland 16-7-19 (British 5th (Royal Irish) Lancers and Boer War 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons (3473) to GovGen Bodyguard Canadian Army)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 November 2010, 12:26:10 pm

Hi Steve
Bummer I already had the men on the list in Keam's file - but Lyall, Harding and Kearns are all new - thanks for these.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 November 2010, 09:36:09 am
Frev,

Hope this ones better,  see page 10 of this man's file;

LANDRIGAN   John Donald   3578


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 11 November 2010, 09:29:43 pm

Hi Steve
Unfortunately this is the same list that was in Keam's file - it seems to have been spread around a bit!  :(
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 November 2010, 09:46:56 am
Frev,

Sorry mate I loss track of them but as they pop up I'll post so we don't miss any.

Todays

FERGUSON   Andrew   1160   Pte   12 LHR   6R to Gnr 5 DAC 4-16 to 120Bty 10-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 4-17 to 4 DSC 11-17 to Bdr 4 MTCo 3-18 F&B married Margaret Daish at Winchester UK 26-1-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 November 2010, 02:02:53 pm
Mate,

See page 22 of this man's file

HENDY   Horton Thomas   4017   Pte

The bloke with five kids is a clue for what he did during the war?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 November 2010, 05:50:06 pm
Frev,

Todays

GOLDING   Frederick Charles   1814   Pte   05 LHR   12R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 53Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 5 Div Cyc Co 5-16 to 2 Anzac Cyc Bn 7-16 to 56Bn 12-16 T/att 5 Div Pack Troop 9-17 F&B married Dorothy Champion at Cheltenham UK 24-2-19

GORDON   James   1403   Pte   05 LHR   11R tos 54Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 5 DAC 5-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 8-17 F&B FGCM 28-6-19 AWoL 16-9-18 to 19-3-19 sentenced 4 months detention to Detn Barracks Lewes UK 7-19 married Jessie Ferguson at Hackney UK 10-10-19

Gordon's new wife was a widow at 24

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 November 2010, 09:13:03 am
Todays

BALFOUR   Edwin Lewis   5831   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   14R Tos 3-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to BHQ 5-16 to 53Bty/14 FAB 1-17 to 1 DASP 11-17 to 1 MTCo 3-18 to Artificer 4 MTCo 8-18 to 3 MTCo 12-18 F&B to NME UK married Jessie McCarthy at Holburn UK 31-8-18 later WWII

I think I gave you this couple before?

ARCHIBALD   Walter Rothwell   1005   Pte   05 LHR   6R Tos A Sqn 9-15 (G) to 55Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 5-16 F&B to Admin HQ Lonfon UK 5-17 to ER/Cpl APayC 7-18 to NME UK married Eva Thrussell at Watford UK 24-10-17


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 November 2010, 03:13:34 pm
Mate,

See page 16 of this mans file list 357

CHILDS   Thomas George   1175   Pte   03 LHR   8R to Sig RHQ 12-15 att WFF T/att 1 LH Sig Troop 7-16 to L/Cpl 10-17 to Sig/Cpl 3-18 (SAIR CMF 2 years) Ex FSqn Broadmeadows

S.B

PS


For interest I thought he was married over seas but it appears he may have married just before he sailed in 1915.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 November 2010, 05:06:17 pm
FERGUSON   Andrew   1160   Pte   12 LHR   6R to Gnr 5 DAC 4-16 to 120Bty 10-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 4-17 to 4 DSC 11-17 to Bdr 4 MTCo 3-18 F&B married Margaret Daish at Winchester UK 26-1-18


Ta Steve - Ferguson is a new one for the list - Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 November 2010, 05:09:48 pm
Mate,

See page 22 of this man's file

HENDY   Horton Thomas   4017   Pte

The bloke with five kids is a clue for what he did during the war?

S.B

Thanks again Steve - didn't yet have this list.
I think you'll find that Pte Waaka was one brave man (maori) who took on a widow & her 5 kids.  :o
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 November 2010, 05:15:30 pm
GOLDING   Frederick Charles   1814   Pte   05 LHR   12R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 53Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 5 Div Cyc Co 5-16 to 2 Anzac Cyc Bn 7-16 to 56Bn 12-16 T/att 5 Div Pack Troop 9-17 F&B married Dorothy Champion at Cheltenham UK 24-2-19

GORDON   James   1403   Pte   05 LHR   11R tos 54Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 5 DAC 5-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 8-17 F&B FGCM 28-6-19 AWoL 16-9-18 to 19-3-19 sentenced 4 months detention to Detn Barracks Lewes UK 7-19 married Jessie Ferguson at Hackney UK 10-10-19

Gordon's new wife was a widow at 24


Golding is new to me.
Gordon was already in the database.  His new wife (a widow) had first married in 1915, and I'm assuming lost her husband in the war (there were a lot of John Fergusons who died in the war & I never managed to verify this)
Thanks again for these, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 November 2010, 05:18:02 pm
BALFOUR   Edwin Lewis   5831   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   14R Tos 3-16 to 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to BHQ 5-16 to 53Bty/14 FAB 1-17 to 1 DASP 11-17 to 1 MTCo 3-18 to Artificer 4 MTCo 8-18 to 3 MTCo 12-18 F&B to NME UK married Jessie McCarthy at Holburn UK 31-8-18 later WWII

I think I gave you this couple before?

ARCHIBALD   Walter Rothwell   1005   Pte   05 LHR   6R Tos A Sqn 9-15 (G) to 55Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 5-16 F&B to Admin HQ Lonfon UK 5-17 to ER/Cpl APayC 7-18 to NME UK married Eva Thrussell at Watford UK 24-10-17

Thanks Steve - Balfour is new - and yes, you'd already given me Archibald.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 November 2010, 05:22:42 pm
See page 16 of this mans file list 357

CHILDS   Thomas George   1175   Pte   03 LHR   8R to Sig RHQ 12-15 att WFF T/att 1 LH Sig Troop 7-16 to L/Cpl 10-17 to Sig/Cpl 3-18 (SAIR CMF 2 years) Ex FSqn Broadmeadows

For interest I thought he was married over seas but it appears he may have married just before he sailed in 1915.

Thanks as always Steve.  The list in Childs file was new to me.
Not sure whether he himself married just before sailing, or just didn't acknowledge he was married until his wife chased him down! Don't have access to SA records, so can't check this....... :-\
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 November 2010, 09:47:20 am
Frev,

Todays

CONSTANCE   Percy Thomas   1866   Pte   6 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Gnr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 8-16 WIA 6-9-17 head near Ypres to 54Bty/14 FAB 10-17 WIA 3-11-17 gas at Passendaele F&B married Amy Bellamy at Wandsworth London UK 4-8-19 brother John


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 November 2010, 08:52:10 am
Today

SHAMBROOK   Bernard Edward   2076   Pte   05 LHR   14R Tos Dvr 52Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 WIA 20-11-16 arm & both thighs hit by shell at Mametz Wood near Flers to 49Bty/13 FAB 8-17 WIA 3-11-17 gas "W" at Passendaele F&B to ER 2/Cpl APayC Allot sect AIF HQ London 2-19 married Winifred Hidgcock at Addiscombe Surrey UK 23-8-19 (CMF 12 months)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 November 2010, 10:10:24 am
Frev

Todays

BEBBINGTON   Samuel   1848   Pte   05 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 56ty/14 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC (1848a) 5-16 to Bdr 11-16 WIA 23-4-17 L/thigh shell near Lagnicourt F&B to AAMC 3 AAuxH Dartford UK 8-17 married Laura Herriman at Nantwich UK 9-2-18 later WWII (British The Cheshire Yeomanry (Earl of Chester’s) (Hussars) 3 years)

BENNETT   Francis Walter   49   L/Cpl   05 LHR   RHQ to SQMS A Sqn 5-15 (G) to AO Depot 10-15 to 55Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to BQMS BHQ/14 FAB 6-16 to RQMS AAOC 8-16 prom QM Hon/2/Lt 54Bn 1-17 F&B disch 28-5-18 poor officer married Ada Baylis at Rotherham UK 3-4-18 (British The Surrey Yeomanry 4 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 November 2010, 09:43:34 am
Today

BERRY   Herbert James   1765   Pte   05 LHR   12R to Dvr 55Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 5 DAC 5-16 F&B married Mabel Randell in Liverpool UK 3-3-19

his one throw me for a minute but makes sence as shown in the records that he married just before embarking.

BOARD   Herbert Barrington   1379   Pte   01 LHR   11R att C Troop ASqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Dvr 3 Sect/5 DAC 3-16 to Bdr 2-17 to 53Bty/14 FAB 4-18 F&B married Ellen Fairhall at St Mary's Sydney 1-10-15

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 November 2010, 01:49:10 pm

Thanks Steve - all of these are new to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 November 2010, 08:26:58 pm
Today

BYRNES   John James   1274   Pte   11 LHR   6R Tos C Sqn att 9 LHR 1-16 to Gnr 41Bty/11 FAB 3-16 to 119Bty 10-16 to 9Bty/3 FAB (1274a) 4-17 WIA 1-10-18 L/eye near St Quentin Cannal F&B married Dorothy Redgrave at Croydon UK 17-2-19

he deserter her in Australia, and

CAPPER   Vivian Ashby   695   Pte   05 LHR   1R to C Sqn 7-15 (G) to Gnr 53Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to T/Bdr 5 DAC 5-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB 10-17 WIA 24-4-18 minor at Villers Bretonneux to T/Bdr 5-18 WIA 1-9-18 gas at Peronne F&B married Marie Capper at Toxteth Park UK 25-9-18 later WWII AKA Vivian Ashley Capper (NZ TA 3 years)

Yes again they have the same name, but I don't think these are related, but you never know?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 November 2010, 04:17:21 pm

BYRNES   John James   1274   Pte   11 LHR   6R Tos C Sqn att 9 LHR 1-16 to Gnr 41Bty/11 FAB 3-16 to 119Bty 10-16 to 9Bty/3 FAB (1274a) 4-17 WIA 1-10-18 L/eye near St Quentin Cannal F&B married Dorothy Redgrave at Croydon UK 17-2-19

he deserter her in Australia, and


Hi Steve - Thanks for John Byrnes, he's new to the database.

This is a bit of a sad story for poor young Dorothy.  Married at age 19 (& pregnant), husband John set sail for Australia a couple of weeks later.  On return home, he wrote to tell her “that his people did not want her to come to Australia, as they did not approve of the marriage”.  However, Dorothy & their daughter Doreen followed him out to Aus at the end of 1919, and they lived together until early February 1920, when he walked out.  She sued for maintenance in the March.

She remarried sometime during or after 1928 – and in March 1931 her second husband (who suffered memory loses) committed suicide.  It seems she was supposed to be remarrying for the 3rd time in 1935 - however, in July 1938, she died as Dorothy Wilks, age 38.

The strange thing is that John appears to have enlisted in WW2 1940 (born Adelaide 1896) – and has noted his NOK as Dorothy!  (perhaps this was meant to be Doreen!?)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 November 2010, 04:21:08 pm

CAPPER   Vivian Ashby   695   Pte   05 LHR   1R to C Sqn 7-15 (G) to Gnr 53Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to T/Bdr 5 DAC 5-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB 10-17 WIA 24-4-18 minor at Villers Bretonneux to T/Bdr 5-18 WIA 1-9-18 gas at Peronne F&B married Marie Capper at Toxteth Park UK 25-9-18 later WWII AKA Vivian Ashley Capper (NZ TA 3 years)

Yes again they have the same name, but I don't think these are related, but you never know?



Ta also for Vivian CAPPER, who is also new to the database.

It appears that they could be related, but probably distantly – Marie & her Capper family were from Liverpool, Lancashire & Vivian’s father was from Woolton, Lancashire & his grandfather from Liverpool, Lancashire.

His correct name was Vivian Ashley (the Ashby is an error).

The family moved around:
Vivian Ashley CAPPER’s WW2 record shows he was born 23/3/1893 St Helen’s, Tas (WW1, St Mary’s) – but his birth was registered in 1894 Portland, Tas. – son of Charles Turner & Henrietta Louisa Victoria (nee Sharpe) Capper.
As you know he had spent some time in NZ, and was a resident of Qld when he enlisted & returned to Qld in 1919, but by 1931 was living in Subiaco in WA, then around the Kalgoorlie area in 1937 & 1943.
Ashley died in 1961 at Marrickville, NSW, and after his death Marie moved to Brighton in Vic. – she died 22/7/1965 at the Heidelberg Repat Hosp, age 77.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 November 2010, 07:24:34 am
Frev,

Another sad one

EDWARDS   Gordon James   817   Pte   12 LHR   1R tos B Sqn att DSqn/7 LHR 8-15 WIA 7-9-15 side & back at Chathams Post (G) to 53Bn 10-16 F&B rtn 12 LHR 3-18 died pneumonia 74 CCS Tripoli buried Beirut British War Cemetery Syria married Emily James at Chepstow UK 14-6-16 brother Thomas DCM 12 LHR

Cheers

S.B

PS

 I noticed this on the ANA site ;

Free passage for wife of George Francis Ball; wife of Jack Allen; wife of James Warne; wife of Alfred Junr Smith; fiance of Hugh Macdonald Cameron Grant; fiance of William Henry Wehlan; fiance of William Henry Hurditch; fiance of Timothy Joseph Doyle; fiance of Herbert William Thomas; fiance of Edward John Moloney; fiance of frederick Robert Woods, fiance of William Thomas Westbury; fiance of William John Miller; fiance of Andrew Fardey; fiance of Arthur George Butler; fiance of James Edward Hadfield; fiance of Arthur Brown; fiance of Thomas Wignall; fiance of John Levy O'Connor; fiance of Charles Croker

Contents date range 1919 - 1920

Series number A2489

Click to see which government agency or person created this item.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 November 2010, 08:54:57 am
Today

FULLER   Frederick Harvey   1198   Pte   7 LHR   8R Tos 12-15 to Bdr 113Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to BHQ 4-16 to 55Bty/14 FAB 1-17 to 53Bty 3-17 F&B to war records AIF HQ UK 1-19 to ER S/Sgt 4-19 married Victoria Greig at St Martin's in the Field UK 13-1-19 later WWII

Check out page 25 for part of list 356 of 5 MD

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 November 2010, 04:37:20 pm
Another sad one

EDWARDS   Gordon James   817   Pte   12 LHR   1R tos B Sqn att DSqn/7 LHR 8-15 WIA 7-9-15 side & back at Chathams Post (G) to 53Bn 10-16 F&B rtn 12 LHR 3-18 died pneumonia 74 CCS Tripoli buried Beirut British War Cemetery Syria married Emily James at Chepstow UK 14-6-16 brother Thomas DCM 12 LHR


Thanks Steve - Gordon Edwards is new to the database.
This is indeed one of the sad ones.  In and out of hospital for most of the war & then dying of pneumonia mere weeks after Armistice (& 3 days after his 26th Birthday) – not only leaving behind his new young wife (widow), but also a young daughter.  Mother and daughter remained in England.  Emily died in 1948 at the age of 55, never having remarried.  Their daughter May, married the following year in 1949 & died in 1986 at the age of 68.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 November 2010, 04:39:25 pm
I noticed this on the ANA site ;

Free passage for wife of George Francis Ball; wife of Jack Allen; wife of James Warne; wife of Alfred Junr Smith; fiance of Hugh Macdonald Cameron Grant; fiance of William Henry Wehlan; fiance of William Henry Hurditch; fiance of Timothy Joseph Doyle; fiance of Herbert William Thomas; fiance of Edward John Moloney; fiance of frederick Robert Woods, fiance of William Thomas Westbury; fiance of William John Miller; fiance of Andrew Fardey; fiance of Arthur George Butler; fiance of James Edward Hadfield; fiance of Arthur Brown; fiance of Thomas Wignall; fiance of John Levy O'Connor; fiance of Charles Croker


Ta Steve - there are quite a few of these lists on the NAA - I will get around to sorting through them all one day!!  ;)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 November 2010, 04:42:20 pm
FULLER   Frederick Harvey   1198   Pte   7 LHR   8R Tos 12-15 to Bdr 113Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to BHQ 4-16 to 55Bty/14 FAB 1-17 to 53Bty 3-17 F&B to war records AIF HQ UK 1-19 to ER S/Sgt 4-19 married Victoria Greig at St Martin's in the Field UK 13-1-19 later WWII

Check out page 25 for part of list 356 of 5 MD


Thanks again Steve - Frederick Fuller is also new.
His story too has its share of sadness.  Victoria gave birth to their son Derrick on the 29th December 1919 in London – he died soon after.  Frederick returned to Australia alone in March 1920, and Victoria doesn’t appear to have followed.  Frederick remarried in 1924 (Thelma Breakspear), and died 9/9/1965 at Manly in NSW.

Ta also for alerting me to the list - five more new names on it.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 November 2010, 03:09:34 pm
Frev,

Thanks again very interesting.

Check out page 14 of this record for list 418 of 4 MD

LANGTRY   John William   18668   Pte


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 November 2010, 02:14:59 pm
Todays

DYSON-HUGHES   Thomas Phillip   35   Pte   1 LHFA   A Sect (G) to Admin AIF HQ London 11-16 to 3 AGH 8-18 F&B married Emily Bowles at Maldon UK 19-6-18 (British OTC)

Although not what your after its shows another man who reconizied a wife so they could RTA.

KNOX   John George   93   Pte   1 LHFA   B Sect (G) to Cpl 1-16 to L/Sgt 3-16 to Sgt 8-17 MID for his work as T/RSM Anzac Rec Station during operations between Oct to Dec 1917 married Ellen Wardie at Gates head 24-3-1896 disch 26-11-18 (British TA 3 years)

Cheers

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 December 2010, 07:31:46 am
Todays

This couple may interest you, I am unsure if she was a VAD Nurse but she was living at the St John's VAD Hosp at time of marriage?

FERGUSON   John Patrick   27   Pte   1 LHFA   A Sect (G) to 13 FA 3-16 to L/Cpl 5-16 to 16 FA in UK 3-17 to 3 AGH 3-18 att 1 CCS 6-18 F&B married VAD Nurse Winifred Woodmansey at Sculcoates UK 2-11-18

This one file records no marriage but his bio details records the marriage?

FIASCHI   Piero   Dr   Capt   1 LHFA   A Sect att RMO 02 LHR 9-15 (G) to 4 LHFA 1-16 to 3 FA 1-16 prom Maj 13 FA 2-16 T/att 2 FA 7-16 to 36 CCS 10-16 Commander in Chiefs Congratulatory Card for his work between June to Oct 1916 rtn 2-17 to 1 Dem Hosp 3-17 prom LtCol 9-17 to 3 AGH 3-18 OBE MID for his work as surgeon at 3 AGH married Grace Thompson at Marylebone London UK 31-1-17 (RMO RHQ NSWL 8-3-09 CMF to 9 FA 1927-28 to 4 Cav FA 1928-32 to ADMS 1 Cav Div later WWII Medical commission VD) died 1948 father (Thomas) Piero DSO LtCol AGH both are commemorated by a life-sized bronze replica of the famous Florentine Porcellino monument outside Sydney Hospital

Cheers

S.B

PS

See this mans file for list 374 of 2 MD

FERGUSON   William Steele   72

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 December 2010, 09:17:30 am
Mate

This one threw me can you ort it out?

FOWLER   Robert   Dr   Capt   1 LHFA   B Sect prom T/Maj CO 9-15 (G) prom Maj 1-16 att WFF RTA MU ostertis of spine reemb Maj AAMC R Nov 1916 tos 2 LHFA 1-17 prom LtCol 4 LHFA 2-17 prom T/Col 14 AGH 1-18 to ADMS AMD HQ 7-18 bevert Maj 7-18 recom DSO awarded OBE 3xMID for his work during advance to Damascus Sept to Oct 1918 prom Col 11-18 to NME UK medical studies married Elsie in UK (Capt AMC 23-5-10 to 17 FA 1-9-12 CMF to Col ADMS 2 Cav Div 1-8-21 to Hon/Surgeon to Gov Gen 1-7-31 to DDMS 20-8-34 disch 14-7-38 att RAAF Grp Capt 1936-42 later WWII LtCol 117 AGH to Col DDMS 5-1-42 disch 25-7-44 CAFOD VD)

I found he married Elsie as he records both single and married duriong the war?

Any ideas

S.B

PS

Another one?

FRASER   Frederick Archibald   8842   Pte   1 LHFA   14R tos 3 AGH 4-16 to Cpl Cook 6-18 F&B married Gladys in Brighton UK Ex ACo/1Bn AN&MEF (107) to AAMC Rabaul 11-14 AKA Frederick Archie Gordon Fraser (Scottish Rifles CMF 4 years)

Cheers


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 December 2010, 04:50:58 pm

Wow - so much stuff!!  :o

Thanks Steve - I'll have to get back to you on these - but one name did stand out - FIASCHI:

This one file records no marriage but his bio details records the marriage?

FIASCHI   Piero   Dr   Capt   1 LHFA   A Sect att RMO 02 LHR 9-15 (G) to 4 LHFA 1-16 to 3 FA 1-16 prom Maj 13 FA 2-16 T/att 2 FA 7-16 to 36 CCS 10-16 Commander in Chiefs Congratulatory Card for his work between June to Oct 1916 rtn 2-17 to 1 Dem Hosp 3-17 prom LtCol 9-17 to 3 AGH 3-18 OBE MID for his work as surgeon at 3 AGH married Grace Thompson at Marylebone London UK 31-1-17 (RMO RHQ NSWL 8-3-09 CMF to 9 FA 1927-28 to 4 Cav FA 1928-32 to ADMS 1 Cav Div later WWII Medical commission VD) died 1948 father (Thomas) Piero DSO LtCol AGH both are commemorated by a life-sized bronze replica of the famous Florentine Porcellino monument outside Sydney Hospital


Some of what I have on this fascinating family (including bits that aren’t mentioned in the ADB entry http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A080722b.htm):

Lt Col (Dr) Piero Francis Bruno FIASCHI married AANS nurse Sister Grace Horwood THOMPSON 31/01/1917 at All Souls Parish Church, Marylebone.  Enlisting in 1914, she had been with the 2nd AGH in Egypt & the 1st AAH at Harefield, England before resigning to marry.
Dying from burns received in an accident 15/6/1948, Piero is also listed in my Acc Deaths database.  Grace was in need of urgent medical attention in February 1959, but died before the year was out, and their only child Katherine Agnes (MANN) died 12/6/2005.

Piero was the son of Col (Dr) Thomas Henry FIASCHI (3rd AGH), whose 2nd wife was nurse Amy CURTIS (married 1914) – she joined the AANS (3rd AGH) in April 1915 under her maiden name, (yet stated she was married on her attestation papers) & resigned in October 1915 after the birth of their first child in Egypt. She later joined the Italian Red Cross & served with her husband in Italy – dying 17/1/1964.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: davidb on 01 December 2010, 07:42:57 pm
Frev,
      Havent'been here for ages, been busy stirring on the GWF.
Have a rather unusual one - My wifes g/uncle, went overseas with 10 ALH but by the time he married he was in the RFA/RFC and
never returned to Australia but jumped ship in Capetown and settled in SA. Does he fit your criteria.
Cheers David


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 December 2010, 07:46:44 pm
Frev,

Another strange one and possible nurse?

GRIMM   Joseph   8841   Pte   1 LHFA   14R Tos AProvC 4-16 to 1 Pnr Bn 11-16 WIA 24-12-16 L/hand accident tunnelling at Flers Tunnel near Flers F&B to AIF Depots UK 2-17 to AProvC Tidworth UK 8-17 to A/Sgt 1-19 married Florence Whimpey at Chalderton UK 21-12-18

Florence is recorded as living at the Womans War Hosp at Chalderton UK.

I am looking at the 1 LHFA at present and a small number are turning up as married.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 December 2010, 08:21:36 am
Today

CHUGG   John    88   Pte   1 LHFA   B Sect remain Egypt to X ray Electrician 1 AGH 1-15 to L/Cpl 4-16 to 3 AGH 10-16 to Cpl 5-17 to Sgt 1-18 F&B married Elizabeth Attwells at Sandhurst UK 1-10-18 (25Bty CMF)

S.B

David,

I was wondering of whom you refer to?

I show these men from the 10 LHR who joined the RFC and survied the war;

ANDERSON   Bruce Learmouth   2310   Pte   10 LHR   16R tos 3 LH MGS 8-16 to 10 LHR 8-16 to cadet 3rd Aero School 9-18 prom 2/Lt AFC (pilot) 16 Trg Sqn RFC 5-19 WIA 24-5-19 shock & burns arms and legs crashed BF (C4653) at Amria aerodrome Egypt

ANDREWS   Frederick Cudmore   2313   Pte   10 LHR   16R disch to British Army prom 2/Lt 32 Sqn RFC (pilot) DH 5 (A9194) brought down by shell fire over the Menin road PoW 26-9-17 F&B

COCHRANE   Alfred Bevan   389   Pte   10 LHR   C Sqn WIA 28-8-15 to 16Bn F&B disch to British Army prom 2/Lt 26 Res Sqn RFC to 10 Sqn RFC (pilot) FK 8 (C3521) F&B

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 December 2010, 02:04:07 pm
David,

I was wondering of whom you refer to?

I show these men from the 10 LHR who joined the RFC and survied the war;

ANDERSON   Bruce Learmouth   2310   Pte   10 LHR   16R tos 3 LH MGS 8-16 to 10 LHR 8-16 to cadet 3rd Aero School 9-18 prom 2/Lt AFC (pilot) 16 Trg Sqn RFC 5-19 WIA 24-5-19 shock & burns arms and legs crashed BF (C4653) at Amria aerodrome Egypt

ANDREWS   Frederick Cudmore   2313   Pte   10 LHR   16R disch to British Army prom 2/Lt 32 Sqn RFC (pilot) DH 5 (A9194) brought down by shell fire over the Menin road PoW 26-9-17 F&B

COCHRANE   Alfred Bevan   389   Pte   10 LHR   C Sqn WIA 28-8-15 to 16Bn F&B disch to British Army prom 2/Lt 26 Res Sqn RFC to 10 Sqn RFC (pilot) FK 8 (C3521) F&B

S.B

Steve - I'd say David is referring to:

Edwin Alexander LOVE – enlisted 20/10/1914 Guildford, WA, Tpr 436 10th LH (discharged 22/12/1915) – 2nd Lieut 23rd Bty, 40th Bde, RFA – Lieut 91 Sqdn, Kenley, RAF
Previously 2yrs 3mths with 1st & 5th WAMI in Sth Africa

Born 1882 Warragul, Vic – son of William & Ada Florence (nee Collier) – the family moved to WA
Married Ella Lesley DOBBS 26/1/1907, at St Luke’s Cottesloe, WA – divorced July 1915
Married Bessie B. LUSCOMBE in June Qtr 1918 London

Settled in Sth Africa 1922 – died approx 1960


Yes David - he does fit my criteria & is now added to the database - anything else you have on him would be great.
Keep on stirring  :D

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 December 2010, 02:09:21 pm
This couple may interest you, I am unsure if she was a VAD Nurse but she was living at the St John's VAD Hosp at time of marriage?

FERGUSON   John Patrick   27   Pte   1 LHFA   A Sect (G) to 13 FA 3-16 to L/Cpl 5-16 to 16 FA in UK 3-17 to 3 AGH 3-18 att 1 CCS 6-18 F&B married VAD Nurse Winifred Woodmansey at Sculcoates UK 2-11-18


Ta Steve – found a grandson’s enquiry about her that stated she was a nursing sister – so good call.  Winifred was born 8/11/1887 Bridlington, Yorkshire – daughter of John & Clara – and she died 8/1/1963 in NSW.  Seems they may have had about 7 children.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 December 2010, 02:25:31 pm
This one threw me can you ort it out?

FOWLER   Robert   Dr   Capt   1 LHFA   B Sect prom T/Maj CO 9-15 (G) prom Maj 1-16 att WFF RTA MU ostertis of spine reemb Maj AAMC R Nov 1916 tos 2 LHFA 1-17 prom LtCol 4 LHFA 2-17 prom T/Col 14 AGH 1-18 to ADMS AMD HQ 7-18 bevert Maj 7-18 recom DSO awarded OBE 3xMID for his work during advance to Damascus Sept to Oct 1918 prom Col 11-18 to NME UK medical studies married Elsie in UK (Capt AMC 23-5-10 to 17 FA 1-9-12 CMF to Col ADMS 2 Cav Div 1-8-21 to Hon/Surgeon to Gov Gen 1-7-31 to DDMS 20-8-34 disch 14-7-38 att RAAF Grp Capt 1936-42 later WWII LtCol 117 AGH to Col DDMS 5-1-42 disch 25-7-44 CAFOD VD)

I found he married Elsie as he records both single and married duriong the war?

Any ideas

S.B


Steve - it looks like they married in Egypt.

Robert embarked on the Benalla 20/10/14 – 12/12/14; and was stationed in Egypt 12/12/14 – 8/5/15.
One of his WW2 forms shows he was married 12/1/1915.

Elsie wasn’t one of the 4 nurses on the Benalla, or amongst the others in the first convoy - so unless she was one of the many Australian nurses that found their own way to the war zone (ie. someone he knew from back home) it was a pretty whirlwind romance!  [still looking into this]
[just remembered he was born in England........hmmmm]

Robert's brother also served in WW1: Richard Wyke FOWLER - Gnr 29616 14th FAB

Cheers, Frev




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: davidb on 02 December 2010, 04:43:25 pm
Frev,
      Would like to correct a couple of errors in your data base on Edwin Alexander Love.

1. His first marriage to Ella Leslie Dobbs - I was told that he divorced in 1912 and it is noted on his attestation papers in 1914 that he was
divorced.

2. He married Bertia Lanham (b 1892) in June Q in Bromley London. This marriage ended in divorce in the late 1920'2 - I dont' have a date. There were
two sons of the marriage Gordon Hamilton Love B 1920 and David Love - date Unknown. Note that these two eventually took the surname
Lanham-Love and the line continues in SA.

3. EA married for a third time in 1931 to Martina Greyling, the marriage taking place in Bulawayo.
Three children of the marriage Shirley Love (b 3-5-1933 D 2-1-2002) Muriel Love (b 1939) and Howard Love (b 1945).
The marriage also ended in divorce> ((No comments necessary)).

All the later info I obtained from the son of Shirley.

Think that's all Cheers David   


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 December 2010, 07:08:32 pm
Mates,

Thanks for the detail on Ed Love, I didn't know he joined the RFC/RAF.

Cheers

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: davidb on 02 December 2010, 07:45:57 pm
Steve,
         As a matter of fact if you ever have the time to look at his service records you would realize that there was a
lot of skullduggery going on about his transfer from the ALH to the Brit RFA. All in the service records
 Cheers David


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 December 2010, 08:56:41 pm
Frev,
      Would like to correct a couple of errors in your data base on Edwin Alexander Love.

1. His first marriage to Ella Leslie Dobbs - I was told that he divorced in 1912 and it is noted on his attestation papers in 1914 that he was
divorced.

2. He married Bertia Lanham (b 1892) in June Q in Bromley London. This marriage ended in divorce in the late 1920'2 - I dont' have a date. There were
two sons of the marriage Gordon Hamilton Love B 1920 and David Love - date Unknown. Note that these two eventually took the surname
Lanham-Love and the line continues in SA.

3. EA married for a third time in 1931 to Martina Greyling, the marriage taking place in Bulawayo.
Three children of the marriage Shirley Love (b 3-5-1933 D 2-1-2002) Muriel Love (b 1939) and Howard Love (b 1945).
The marriage also ended in divorce> ((No comments necessary)).

All the later info I obtained from the son of Shirley.

Think that's all Cheers David   


David - thanks for the corrections & extra info.

1. According to the WA papers the divorce was granted in July 1915.  This makes sense as he actually filled out his Attestation in 1914 as ‘married’ & the ‘divorced’ bit was added later.  If he’d been divorced in 1912 – I doubt he would have stated he was married.  Perhaps they separated in 1912.

2. I see that the correct marriage in 1918 is actually registered as Alexander E. LOVE (March Qtr 1918).
Bummer that an Edwin LOVE married in the right time frame…..one of the pitfalls of trying to trace family trees without certificates!  Especially when people keep changing their names around!!  :-\ 

3. At least there were divorces between the marriages  ;) - so no bigamy, which I'm finding a bit of!!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 December 2010, 09:02:03 pm
Another one?

FRASER   Frederick Archibald   8842   Pte   1 LHFA   14R tos 3 AGH 4-16 to Cpl Cook 6-18 F&B married Gladys in Brighton UK Ex ACo/1Bn AN&MEF (107) to AAMC Rabaul 11-14 AKA Frederick Archie Gordon Fraser (Scottish Rifles CMF 4 years)


Steve - Frederick married Gladys Rosamond ORME in the March Qtr 1918 at Steyning in Sussex (Gladys’ place of birth)
They returned together on the Indarra 12/7/1919.
They had one child Mollie.
Frederick who had been born in 1891 Kiandra, NSW – died at Katoomba 21/9/1929, age 38, and is buried in the Katoomba Cemetery.
Gladys died in Sydney in 1964.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 December 2010, 09:13:54 pm
PS

See this mans file for list 374 of 2 MD

FERGUSON   William Steele   72

S.B

Thanks heaps for this one Steve - HUGE list - and all of them look to be new to me.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 December 2010, 09:48:56 pm
Frev,

Another strange one and possible nurse?

GRIMM   Joseph   8841   Pte   1 LHFA   14R Tos AProvC 4-16 to 1 Pnr Bn 11-16 WIA 24-12-16 L/hand accident tunnelling at Flers Tunnel near Flers F&B to AIF Depots UK 2-17 to AProvC Tidworth UK 8-17 to A/Sgt 1-19 married Florence Whimpey at Chalderton UK 21-12-18

Florence is recorded as living at the Womans War Hosp at Chalderton UK.

I am looking at the 1 LHFA at present and a small number are turning up as married.

Cheers

S.B

Ta for Joseph GRIMM (& John CHUGG etc)
Can't establish whether Florence was a nurse - but it would seem likely.
Interesting to note that this couple returned to Australia on the Indarra, along with Fred & Gladys FRASER (noted above).
They had a new born son, Ernest, with them.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: davidb on 03 December 2010, 04:26:27 pm
Frev,
       Thanks for the info about the first divorce, seems we now both have things shipshape.  ;D

I suspect that E. A. rejigged his initials to A. E. - maybe didn't like the first name of Edwin as much as his second moniker.
Possibly it would be a good idea to name him EA (also known as AE).
Cheers David


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 December 2010, 08:54:27 am
Frev.

Posible nurse but no details?

TURNBULL   Sydney Marshall   75   Dvr   1 LHFA   B Sect (G) to 12 FA 7-16 F&B to 2 AAuxH Southall UK 1-17 married Mary Price in UK 20-7-17 (AGA CMF 3 years later WWII)

and a nurse

VENTRIS   George Eugene   111   Pte   1 LHFA   B Sect Tos 11-15 (G) to MT Dvr 1 DSC 12-16 att "K" CSC 3-17 to 1 MTCo 3-18 F&B married Nurse Emily Juniper at Hackney UK 2-10-18


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 December 2010, 10:17:25 am
Frev,

For one of your lists, the details for this is a letter in his file but with little other details?

RUTHERFORD   Thomas Fyfe   34   Dvr   1 LHFA   A Sect to Cpl 8-15 (G) to 3 AAuxH 2-16 to Gnr 112Bty/12 FAB 3-17 recom MM for his actions under fire at Ravelsberg 21-3-18 to SMTO 12-18 F&B to NME UK reported DoA when run over by train in Cornwell UK around 1930

He is mentioned (in the letter) as being buried as an unknown aussie soldier?

For you interest.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 December 2010, 02:42:49 pm

Ta Steve - these 3 are new to the databases.

Rutherford is definately an interesting story - but sadly can't find anymore on it in the newspapers.

Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 December 2010, 10:40:30 am
Frev,

From the other site we can now confirm this bloke, another sad case.

KEELAN   William   773   Pte   05 LHR   3R tos A Sqn 7-15 (G) DoA 27-11-15 died fractued skull in motor accident hit by car driven by Mr C Garrett at Tylers Hill Abbey Wood near Woolwich Kent UK buried Woolwich Cemetery London UK married Elizabeth Coskry at Kirkeudbright Scotland 12-10-15 (British Royal Navy and The King's Own Scottish Borderers TA 4 years)

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 December 2010, 09:32:26 am
Frev,

Hard one as no wifes name is given;

SLAWESKI   France   113   Pte   1 LHFA   B Sect (G) to 3 AGH 4-16 to 3 AAuxH Dartford 3-17 to S/Sgt 2 AGH 1-18 F&B to 2 AAuxH 2-19 married unknown? brother Bolislas AAMC

One of his forms is marked "Yes" for married and he was a frenchmen so its posible he married in France,

Cheers

S.B

PS

Along with the above ths bloke also shows no wifes name only a document to say he seeks to RTA his wife

SMITH   Clarence A.   81   Dvr   1 LHFA   B Sect (G) to T/CSM CTC 1-16 to Dvr 4 DAC 4-16 to 15 Trg Bn UK 11-16 to 60Bn 8-17 F&B disch 8-8-18 MU shell shock married in UK (3Bty CMF 3 years)

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 December 2010, 03:05:02 pm
Frev,

From the other site we can now confirm this bloke, another sad case.

KEELAN   William   773   Pte   05 LHR   3R tos A Sqn 7-15 (G) DoA 27-11-15 died fractued skull in motor accident hit by car driven by Mr C Garrett at Tylers Hill Abbey Wood near Woolwich Kent UK buried Woolwich Cemetery London UK married Elizabeth Coskry at Kirkeudbright Scotland 12-10-15 (British Royal Navy and The King's Own Scottish Borderers TA 4 years)

S.B

Ta Steve, yes tragic - I actually had William Keelan in both the Acc Deaths DB & the Marr O/S DB - but didn't have a marriage date or place (though I had assumed it was Scotland) - so thanks for these.
Out of curiosity can I ask where you found this info?
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 December 2010, 03:29:01 pm
Frev,

Hard one as no wifes name is given;

SLAWESKI   France   113   Pte   1 LHFA   B Sect (G) to 3 AGH 4-16 to 3 AAuxH Dartford 3-17 to S/Sgt 2 AGH 1-18 F&B to 2 AAuxH 2-19 married unknown? brother Bolislas AAMC

One of his forms is marked "Yes" for married and he was a frenchmen so its posible he married in France,

Cheers

S.B

PS

Along with the above ths bloke also shows no wifes name only a document to say he seeks to RTA his wife

SMITH   Clarence A.   81   Dvr   1 LHFA   B Sect (G) to T/CSM CTC 1-16 to Dvr 4 DAC 4-16 to 15 Trg Bn UK 11-16 to 60Bn 8-17 F&B disch 8-8-18 MU shell shock married in UK (3Bty CMF 3 years)

S.B


Thanks for Slaweski & Smith - both new - and both proved quite interesting.
Details below:

France Slaweski born 8/9/1887 Mauritius – son of Tajeo & Paula, married Margaret La Rue 22/5/1919 France – they RTA together on the transport Main 23/7/19 – and returned to France again in 1920 where they settled and  France died 3/3/1965.
[some details from a French on-line site]



SMITH, Clarence Arthur
Born 1892 Wyah (Melb) – son of Francis Barry & Julie Jane (nee Bagot) Smith

Married Daisy Elizabeth REEVES in March 1917 at Fareham, Hampshire, England

Clarence (living NSW) applied for a divorce in 1930 on grounds of desertion, but was talked into dropping the suit in 1932 due to the fact that he had been committing adultery.
Daisy then applied for a divorce in 1935 on the grounds of adultery – involving Dulcie Barrington South – divorce was granted in 1936

Clarence then married Dulcie Elaine Barrington South in 1940 Sydney

He died 14/10/1942 at Paramatta District Hospital, age 50
Cremated Rookwood Cemetery Thur 15 Oct 1942

Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 December 2010, 05:39:02 pm
Mate,

From Bill's site, a bloke posted to know details of his relation, and gave those details on Elizebeth and their marriage, of which I also had no date or place, worked out nicely.

From Bill's site;

"Mates

I have received this note today:


I hope you can help.

I am trying to find out if this is the same William KEELAN that married one of my relatives, an Elizabeth McCOSKRY, in Kirkcudbright, Scotland, on 12 October 1915.

On the Marriage Certificate it shows him as a Trooper in the 5th Australian Horse, from Queensland, and lists his father as a Robert KEELAN.

We have no record of what happened to him after the Marriage, but I discovered an entry on the Regimental Roll of Honour that lists a William KEELAN as ‘Died of Accident’ 27 November 1915, it obviously says nothing as to what or where.

Is there any chance that you could shed some light on these events, we assumed that he died, as she remarried, and there was no divorce, but without any information this is just speculation."

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 December 2010, 08:51:21 am
Frev,

You found them quicker then I believedm well done.

See file page 10 for list 317 of 3rd MD

MULLER   Reginald Grenfell   14507   Pte


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 December 2010, 09:31:59 am
Another page 7 list 418 1 MD

McAULLY   John   16993   Pte

and

page 5 seeList 356 of 3 MD

McLOUGHLIN   Cornelius James   16999   Pte

S.B

PS

This bloke shows he married OS but no married documents in flie?

MILES   Edward Samuel   438   Pte   2 LHFA   WIA 8-8-15 R/ankle shrapnel bruise at Boltons Ridge (G) to DMS office London 9-15 to Cpl DDMS London 5-16 recom MSM awarded Mention Secty of State for War for his valuble services on Gallipoli between May to Aug 1915 and for his work at DMS UK to Dec 1916 to S/Sgt 12-16 prom 2/Lt 49Bn 4-18 F&B married n UK (CMF 4 months)

Can you find the girl?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 December 2010, 03:30:37 pm

Ta for alerting me to the 3 lists Steve - the one in McAully's file was new to me.
2 out of 3 is better than none  :)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 December 2010, 03:35:31 pm
This bloke shows he married OS but no married documents in flie?

MILES   Edward Samuel   438   Pte   2 LHFA   WIA 8-8-15 R/ankle shrapnel bruise at Boltons Ridge (G) to DMS office London 9-15 to Cpl DDMS London 5-16 recom MSM awarded Mention Secty of State for War for his valuble services on Gallipoli between May to Aug 1915 and for his work at DMS UK to Dec 1916 to S/Sgt 12-16 prom 2/Lt 49Bn 4-18 F&B married n UK (CMF 4 months)

Can you find the girl?

S.B

Steve - thanks for Edward Miles - another new one.

His extra details:

MILES, Edward (Ted) Samuel was born 22/7/1896 Laidley, Qld – son of John & Wilhemina (nee Westfaul) Miles

His brother Walter John MILES also served WW1 – Sgt 181, 42nd Bn

Married Dorothy Mary CHUDLEY 10/11/1917 Fulham, England
[Dorothy (born in London) worked in the War Office in London during the war
Edward RTA 21/12/1918 on the Miltiades on 1914 Leave – but at his request & own expense – so it’s possible he also paid for Dorothy to return with him on same ship (have come across this once before)
They had a son born in 1929

WW2 - DSO
http://www.awm.gov.au/units/people_1080811.asp

Edward died 8/10/1983 Brisbane, age 87 & Dorothy died 12/7/1985, age 89 – they are buried at the Mt Gravatt Cemetery, Brisbane


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 December 2010, 03:37:26 pm
From Bill's site, a bloke posted to know details of his relation, and gave those details on Elizebeth and their marriage, of which I also had no date or place, worked out nicely.


Ta for confirming this Steve
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 December 2010, 06:32:11 am
Frev,

Sorry been busy lately and research has slowed down.

Found an interesting one, he shows single then crossed out married, appears he must have married before embarking and she died in Australia while he was at the war.

DENNING   William   14707   Pte   2 LHFA   20R tos 3 LHFA 10-16 to T/Cpl 7-17 att medic 8 LHR 1-18 rtn 3-18 to 14 AGH 3-18 married before emb and wife died 19-1-17 AKA William Denny

The name of wife is given as SE Denning, but no other details?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 December 2010, 08:51:33 am
mate,

List 317 of 2 MD in file page 16.

GAFFNEY   Patrick   9875   Pte   2 LHFA   16R Tos 7-16 to 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 12-16 F&B

Cheers

S.B

PS

I did see another list but only one name he is.

708 Pte Boyd BS MTS (accompanied by wife)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 December 2010, 09:51:46 am
Another

GOODCHAP   Frederick George   434   Cpl   2 LHFA   Tos A Sect 8-15 WIA 30-8-15 head concussion shell shock by shell at Browns Dip near Lone Pine (G) to AIF depot UK (434a) 6-16 to Sgt T/RQMS 10-16 to Sgt 62Bn UK 4-17 rtn depots 6-17 to T/S/Sgt A/CSM 11-18 married Janet Henderson at Woolwich UK 14-3-18 later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 December 2010, 03:27:52 pm
Frev,

Sorry been busy lately and research has slowed down.

Found an interesting one, he shows single then crossed out married, appears he must have married before embarking and she died in Australia while he was at the war.

DENNING   William   14707   Pte   2 LHFA   20R tos 3 LHFA 10-16 to T/Cpl 7-17 att medic 8 LHR 1-18 rtn 3-18 to 14 AGH 3-18 married before emb and wife died 19-1-17 AKA William Denny

The name of wife is given as SE Denning, but no other details?

Cheers

S.B

Steve - I can certainly relate to the word - busy!

You're right, William married Susanah Elizabeth BUTCHER in 1916,  sometime before he embarked in the July - bet they thought it more likely that he might not survive the war - not her!  Huge posibility that she may have died in childbirth  :(

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 December 2010, 03:29:39 pm
mate,

List 317 of 2 MD in file page 16.

GAFFNEY   Patrick   9875   Pte   2 LHFA   16R Tos 7-16 to 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 12-16 F&B

Cheers

S.B

PS

I did see another list but only one name he is.

708 Pte Boyd BS MTS (accompanied by wife)

S.B

Steve - all the men on the list in Gaffney's file, as well as Pte Boyd, are new to the database.
Thanks again for all your wonderful help, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 December 2010, 03:53:01 pm
Another

GOODCHAP   Frederick George   434   Cpl   2 LHFA   Tos A Sect 8-15 WIA 30-8-15 head concussion shell shock by shell at Browns Dip near Lone Pine (G) to AIF depot UK (434a) 6-16 to Sgt T/RQMS 10-16 to Sgt 62Bn UK 4-17 rtn depots 6-17 to T/S/Sgt A/CSM 11-18 married Janet Henderson at Woolwich UK 14-3-18 later WWII

Cheers

S.B

Steve - another thank you - Goodchap is also new.

He didn't actually serve in WW2 though - the Frederick George that did, was his son (who was born 29/12/20 - not 29/12/19 as shown).
An interesting aside - another son also served in WW2 - Charles Arthur (b.1923) - he was originally reported as lost in the Battle of Java from HMAS Perth - but was a POW in Manilla.

Frederick (Snr) died 11/9/1959 in Brisbane & Janet died in 1976.

Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 December 2010, 05:35:52 pm
Frev,

CAMPBELL   Colin Spencer    445   Pte   2 LHFA   Tos stretcher bearer A Sect 8-15 (G) to T/Cpl PoW 27-3-17 reported captured by a turk patrol at 1st Gaza arrived UK 2-1-19 to ER Cpl AIF HQ UK 5-19 married Margaret Wallace at Lambeth London UK 9-9-19 brother Cecil 2 LHFA

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 22 December 2010, 07:29:41 pm

Thank you Steve - Colin Campbell is also new to the database, and adds to the list of the many POW's who married in England after repatriation.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to once again thank you very much for all the wonderful help you've given over the last year - and to wish you a happy & safe Christmas.

I'd also like to wish everybody else reading this 'thread' a very Merry Christmas - as I'm sure Steve & I couldn't have brought it up to over 4,600 views in only 7 months!!  :D

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 December 2010, 09:14:14 am
Frev,

Thankyou and all the best to you and the family for the new year.

Another strange one that married in Egypt.

BLACK   John James   1520   Pte   2Bn   2R Tos Cpl Garr HQ 3-15 to finance sect AIF HQ 8-16 to 2/Cpl 9-16 att Egyptian Labor Corps 5-17 to APayC 6-17 rtn ER Cpl 9-17 to A/Sgt 1-19 to ER Sgt 2-19 married Mary at Cairo Egypt

The only way to see that is the front of his file where the correction was made t his NOK.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 December 2010, 08:29:53 am
Today

SLOANE   Arthur Ainsworth   516   Pte   2 LHFA   To Cpl 10-15 WIA 2-12-15 neck & R/shoulder near Lone Pine (G) to APostC AIF HQ 2-16 to FPO 11-16 to APOS W4 3-17 F&B to Cpl AIF depots UK 6-17 to A/Sgt 7-18 married Violet Osmond at Linton UK 13-4-18 (CMF 3 years)

S.B

PS

Another Egyptian marrage but no name?

STRETTON   Arthur   6451   Pte   2 LHFA   12R Tos 1-16 to 2 ASH 2-18 to 7 San Sect 7-18 disch to work and to be married in Egypt

Plumber   26   Bundaberg Qld   and Nth Leicester UK

Enlist 14-8-15   disch in Egypt 9-8-19   

Sorry when he married is unsure also?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 December 2010, 10:24:37 am
Todays.

This threw me for a second but another pre war marriage to RTA after the war.

HEATH   Cyril Vincent   2   S/Sgt   1 Half Flight AFC   Mesoptamia (9) att 30 Sqn RFC DCM MID for his actions to rescue downed pilots Lt Mertz and Burns in Mesoptamia 1-8-15 to 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 11-16 to RSM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 1-17 F&B to AFC Trg deot Wendover 1-18 to 8 Trg Sqn AFC Cirencester 2-18 to pilot cadet No 2 SMA Oxford 4-18 to 7 Trg Sqn AFC 7-18 rtn to Central Flying school Australia AKA C.Victor Heath married Annie Stearn at Fulham UK 3-2-12 (AFC School Point Cook PMF)

Aviation Mechanic / Soldier   25   Central Flying School Werribee Vic and Chelsea UK


Enlist 30-3-15   RTA 19-10-18   

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 December 2010, 05:33:06 pm
Today

SMETHURST Herbert Claude 441 Pte 8 LHR C Sqn A Troop (G) to AProvC MMP 3 Div HQ 8-16 to ER 2/Cpl 2-19 F&B married Lillian Sanders at Hendon UK 2-11-16 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Kerley on 01 January 2011, 05:53:35 pm
My 1st post on this forum...these 2 are my great grandparents on my mothers side:

William Ernest ASLAT - Trooper #221 - 9th Light Horse, B SQN - From Islington (now Prospect), South Australia.
Married Kate HAYES in Swindon, England on the 10th of May 1916.

William survived the war with Kate joining him back in Australia after the end of the war. I have a copy of a photo of him in his LH uniform standing behind his parents who are sitting. Photo supposedly taken in December 1914.

I've got more info if wanted...


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 January 2011, 06:18:38 pm
Mate,

I show him as

ASLAT   William Ernest   221   Pte   Engineer age 26 Prospect SA (5 years 16th LH Indi) Enl 19-10-14 Emb BSqn/9 LHR. WIA 29-5-15 R/knee at Walker's Ridge evac to UK 4-6-15 (illness) Gallipoli. 3 LHTR 1-7-16 to CTU 9-9-16 to 3Bn 11Co 24-10-16 to hosp 2-11-17 (arthritis) RTA 12-11-17 "Wiltshire" med unfit disch 25-1-18 married Mary Hayes at Swindon UK 10-5-16

He appears to have married while recovering of illness from Anzac.

Any other details I don't have would be nice.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Kerley on 02 January 2011, 07:00:45 pm
Mate,

I show him as

ASLAT   William Ernest   221   Pte   Engineer age 26 Prospect SA (5 years 16th LH Indi) Enl 19-10-14 Emb BSqn/9 LHR. WIA 29-5-15 R/knee at Walker's Ridge evac to UK 4-6-15 (illness) Gallipoli. 3 LHTR 1-7-16 to CTU 9-9-16 to 3Bn 11Co 24-10-16 to hosp 2-11-17 (arthritis) RTA 12-11-17 "Wiltshire" med unfit disch 25-1-18 married Mary Hayes at Swindon UK 10-5-16

He appears to have married while recovering of illness from Anzac.

Any other details I don't have would be nice.

S.B

I think the information provided by you above covers just about everything I have on him!!! William and Kate got married in England while he was recovering from an injury (which must of been bad for such a long stay over there).

According to "With the 9th LH In The Great War" (Pg 11, para 1), On the 29th May 1915 at 3:17am while on Walkers Ridge, the 9th LH come under heavy rifle fire (covering bomb throwers). Later on at 6:50am, they came under heavy shelling from the direction of "W" Hill (Kushak-Anafarta) causing severe casualties.

William comes across in his war record as a bit of a larrikin (SEE RECORD!). After RTA he was put into the Imperial Camel Corps.

Anyone got any idea on how William and Kate came to meet each other???


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 03 January 2011, 04:05:42 pm
Happy New Year to you too Steve, and to Kerley & all the silent readers!  ;)

All those you've added since my last post are new Steve - so thanks heaps once again.
I'm afraid I'm not going to have much luck tracing those that married in Egypt (maybe one day)

Cyril Heath's story could be worth having a look into - it appears he coped much better in war, than he did in relationships.
It seems that while he was waiting for his wife & 3 children to follow him out from England, he entered into a bigamous marriage in Australia - he then lived with his original family for a few weeks on their arrival, before deserting everyone, with the intention of high-tailing it to Fiji.......

Will look into the others when I can
Cheers, Frev

[Addition - Steve, did you forget about your post over on the GWF, re the post war accident of Ramsden & Thornton??]


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 03 January 2011, 04:19:39 pm
My 1st post on this forum...these 2 are my great grandparents on my mothers side:

William Ernest ASLAT - Trooper #221 - 9th Light Horse, B SQN - From Islington (now Prospect), South Australia.
Married Kate HAYES in Swindon, England on the 10th of May 1916.

William survived the war with Kate joining him back in Australia after the end of the war. I have a copy of a photo of him in his LH uniform standing behind his parents who are sitting. Photo supposedly taken in December 1914.

I've got more info if wanted...

Welcome to the forum Mr/Ms Kerley
And thank you so much for sharing the details on your great grandparents - who are now added to my database.

I found some extra info on a family tree on Ancestry (which you're probably aware of) - but I'd really appreciate knowing if you have details on where your G/Parents are buried. Also if you could confirm whether Desmond Wm who served in WW2 was their son.
Or if you know any more details on Kate apart from her marriage & death dates (ie. parents, where born etc)

As to how they met - the options are limitless - especially since he was a 'free' spirit for many months whilst in England!!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Kerley on 03 January 2011, 10:03:26 pm
Welcome to the forum Mr/Ms Kerley
And thank you so much for sharing the details on your great grandparents - who are now added to my database.

I found some extra info on a family tree on Ancestry (which you're probably aware of) - but I'd really appreciate knowing if you have details on where your G/Parents are buried. Also if you could confirm whether Desmond Wm who served in WW2 was their son.
Or if you know any more details on Kate apart from her marriage & death dates (ie. parents, where born etc)

As to how they met - the options are limitless - especially since he was a 'free' spirit for many months whilst in England!!

Cheers, Frev

William Ernest Aslat: Born: 21-11-1887 Islington, S.A. Died: 17-12-1957 Adelaide, S.A.
Kate Aslat (fmrly Hayes): Born: 28-4-1893 ?, England? Died: 1968? Adelaide, S.A. (got no more information on Kate atm)

Both are buried in Cheltenham Cemetery, Adelaide. A brass ex-servicemans plaque is on the grave. Which leads to a funny story. About 5 years back, my brother and I went to look for their grave early one November 11th. I had rang the Cemetery caretakers beforehand and got the grave location details, which turned out to be wrong. My brother and I decided to have a search to see if we could find it. We decided to search around the area where the wrong location for the grave was given as the Cheltenham Cemetery is huge. We got about 85% of the way across and gave up when we got to one of my great grandfathers uncles grave (on my fathers side)(on an end of row) as we wanted to attend the Remembrance Day service at Centennial Park Cemetery at 11am. About 6 months later I rang the caretakers up again and this time I got the correct location for William and Kates grave...turns out it was on the next row we would have searched if we hadn't of given up!!!

They had 8 children (6 daughters, 2 sons) and William Desmond Aslat is one of their sons (my grandfather). Supposedly he tried to join up at the start of WW2 but was knocked back due to him being a Borer and was needed on the home front. Also, one of their daughters, Alice Maude Aslat, is the mother of Australian actor Keith Michell.

Also mentioned in the Aslat family history book that Williams two eldest brothers didn't join up but worked in essential industry making ammunition etc. He had another brother who died (in 1913) after falling down a flight of stairs at a North Adelaide brewery.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 January 2011, 11:00:48 am
Frev,

Thanks mate missed the other site, can I blame xmas?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 05 January 2011, 01:41:21 pm

Yep - Christmas sounds like a pretty good reason to me Steve.  :)

Thanks for the extra details on your GGParents Mr Kerley.
The family tree that I found on Ancestry actually has Kate's death as the 17/12/1970 in Hendon, SA.
Would love to be kept informed if you find out more about her.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 January 2011, 09:52:57 am
Frev,

This may interest you, page 23 of this mans file

HANDS   Ernest Arthur   846   Dvr


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 January 2011, 01:38:50 pm
Frev,

This may interest you, page 23 of this mans file

HANDS   Ernest Arthur   846   Dvr


Cheers

S.B

Thanks Steve - definately worth following up on.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 January 2011, 08:42:00 am
Frev,

Sorry been busy up here, but the suns out today.

ANDERSON   Harold Archibald   851   Pte   02 LHR   4R Tos B Sqn? 8-15 (G) to Dvr 3 sect/5 DAC (851a) 3-16 to 53Bty/14 FAB 8-17 WIA 4-10-17 both thighs shrapnel at Passchendaele F&B married in London UK

His change of NOK is shown on the front of his record as Mrs EL Anderson of Knightsbridge London UK, but no other details?

S.B

PS.

I don't know if I gave this bloke before?

ATKINS   James   1229   Pte   05 LHR   9R Tos 2-16 to Gnr 55Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB (1229a) 9-17 WIA 29-10-17 gas "W" at Passendaele F&B to AIF depots UK 12-17 married Mary Cooke at Belfast Ireland 22-3-19


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 January 2011, 05:18:19 pm
Today

HARRISON   Reginald Edward   18   Dvr   3 LH Bde HQ   HQ remain Egypt to RHQ/Comp LHR 11-15 disch 21-8-16 MU rheum relist 8R/10 MGCo (550) Tos 6-17 WIA 21-7-17 gas near Warneton F&B to AIF depots UK 12-17 married Constance Wells at Stortford Essex UK 6-6-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 January 2011, 12:39:49 pm

Steve - hope all has been okay up there, and you haven't been one of those to suffer too badly.  Glad to hear the sun is out again at last - and hopefully no more rain for awhile!

Ta for the recent additions - Harrison is new to me - though already have Atkins & Anderson.
Harold Anderson married Emily L. COX in the Jun Qtr of 1918 at Devizes, Wiltshire, England. He RTA on the Saxon 11/12/18 - 30/1/19, and she followed a couple of months later on the Balmoral Castle 27/2/19 - 18/4/19.  Owing to the surname of Anderson - I haven't attempted to follow up on their life after that (maybe one day!)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 January 2011, 10:20:20 am
Frev,

Sorry been busy lately with the flood, only get a short time to get on the Computer. I did loss one of my data bases last week but the back up saved that, only I hadn't done a backup for over three months so lost all that work in between.

Since I am now going back threw these records I am unsure if I gave you this bloke other then I didn't find him on a search of this site?

POWER   Robert Henry Wilson   35   Spr   1 LH Sig Trp   HQ (G) to AIF depots UK 9-16 to T/RQMS 1-18 married Edith at Somerset UK 8-17

Any ideas?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 27 January 2011, 04:31:16 pm

Steve - you are a worry - all that hard work & valuable information - you really have to get into a habit of doing a regular backup!!
At least once a week with the amount of info you gather.  Actually, with the past bushfires in Vic & the present floods in Qld (& Vic) - I've started to wonder whether all we that keep building these 'out-of-control' databases - should perhaps think about passing copies around to others for safety purposes - how devastating would it be to lose the lot  :(

Anyway - no, you hadn't yet given me RHW Power - but he is now added to the database - and thanks very much.
Here's a little extra info that you may or may not have:

Robert Henry Wilson POWER was born in Auckland, NZ 5/5/1894 - the son of Henry Wilson & Frances POWER.  He married Edith Mary MERRICK in the Sep Qtr of 1917 at Wareham, Dorset, and they RTA together on the Bremen 4/6/19 - 27/7/19. 

Robert was a member of the RANVR in WW2.  Edith died 15/10/1942 at Pymble, NSW & was cremated at the Northern Suburbs Crematorium.  Robert remarried Lavinia A.M. HUME in 1946 in Sydney, and died in Nowra 4/11/1973.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Mulder on 30 January 2011, 12:33:58 am
Hi Had a quick scan and did not see my grandfathers brother
John George Henry Jackson = Service No 1775   Married London 1918 returned to Brisbane with wife 1919 on the ship "Osterley"  
WIFE May Laura Gertrude Jackson 
No ? Benedict Park
Stockwell Park
London B. W.

Regards
RM


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 31 January 2011, 01:18:48 pm

Hi Ray

Thanks for alerting me to your G/Uncle - John JACKSON - he's now added to the database.

If you have any other details on the family (other than that collected below) that you're willing to share it would be greatly appreciated - for example, any other detail on his wife May - birth, death etc.

John Gordon Henry JACKSON born 17/11/1890 Galtow, Qld - son of James JACKSON & Rebecca FISHER.
Married May Laura Gertrude GAINEY in the Sept Qtr 1918 Lambeth, London
They had 3 sons that all served in WW2, Peter, David & Eric
John died in February 1945 & was cremated at the Mount Thompson Crematorium, Qld on the 9/2/45

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 February 2011, 09:39:09 am
Frev,

One for you.

GORDON   William Watson   5191   Pte   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC 7-15 (G) to DSqn/3 LHTR (8 LHR) 3-16 to AASC depot UK 11-16 to A/Cpl 1-17 to A/L/Sgt 2-17 to Dvr 17Co AASC 2 Div trn 5-18 to APayC 6-18 to ER/Sgt Pay HQ/5 FAB 7-18 F&B married Jean Allardes at Ilford UK 2-1-17


S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 February 2011, 10:30:24 am
Frev,

Todays

HAYLEY   William Henry Salmon   1002   Spr   4 LH Sig Trp   HQ to 2 Div Sig Co 8-15 (G) att 2nd Army Wls Co 9-16 to 1st Anzac Wls Sect 10-16 rtn 2 Div Sig Co 6-17 F&B married Nellie Winby at Rugby Warwick UK 22-8-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 22 February 2011, 07:19:58 pm

Thanks again Steve - both Hayley & Gordon are new to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 February 2011, 09:52:26 am
Frev,

Here's one you may need to check

ASHTON   Edward Meakin   209   Pte   2 VS   remain Egypt to Vet/Sgt HQ/4 FAB 3-16 to 20Bty/22 FAB 5-16 to HQ/6 BAC 1-17 WIA 6-17 gas near Ypres F&B married Mabel at Bournemouth UK AKA Edwin Meakin Ashton (British Yeomanry 5 years)

possibly married around Oct 1917?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 February 2011, 07:39:39 am
Frev,

I think I gave you this couple before?

McFARLANE   Charles Henry   1031A   Pte   9 LHR   7R Tos B Sqn 10-15 to 48Bn 9-16 F&B married Marjory Frazer in Glasgow Scotland 7-9-17 AKA Charles Henry MacFarlane (CMF 3 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 February 2011, 01:07:39 pm

Yes Steve - you'd already given me McFarlane - but Ashton is new ta.

Some details I've gathered on him incase any of it's of interest:

Edwin Meakin ASHTON was born in the Sept Qtr of 1884 in Birmingham, England – the son of John & Pamela Fanny (nee Meakin).  He married Mabel Elizabeth WATKINS in the Sept Qtr of 1917 at Christchurch, Hampshire, England.  They returned to Australia together on the Balmoral Castle, embarking 25/2/1919 and arriving Melbourne 13/4/1919.

They settled in Paisley St, Footscray, and Edwin who had been a Grocer (like his father) before enlistment, took on employment as an Estate Agent.
Their first child John Watkins was born on the 4/8/1919, and he went on to serve in the RAN from 1937-1949 (d.1973).  Daughter Patricia Mona was born 20/9/1922 & she served in the Women’s Army during WW2.  Sons Frank Edward (Ted) born 10/9/1924 and Kenneth Herbert born 5/8/1926, also served in WW2, Ted in the Army & Ken in the RAAF.

Edwin died at Footscray on the 28/1/1966 & Mabel died 26/1/1984 – they are side by side in The Memorial Park, Altona.

Notes on Edwin / Edward:
Birth & Marriage registered as Edwin, also Census records
Death & Burial registered as Edward, also Electoral roll


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 February 2011, 10:08:36 am
Frev,

Todays

BRAYSHAW   Arthur   5023   Cpl   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC 7-15 WIA 23-8-15 L/leg near beach (G) to HQ AASC depot UK 7-16 to T/Sgt 10-16 to 867Co 3 Div Trn 12-17 to Sgt 23Co AASC 3 Div Trn 9-18 F&B married Ethel Robinson at Leeds UK 4-3-16 (British RAMC TA 2 years)


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 February 2011, 10:19:37 am
Today

BOSTOCK   William Dowling   540   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   HQ to Sgt 1 LH Sig Sqn disch to British Army prom 2/Lt (pilot) 48 Sqn RFC Croix de Guerre (Bel) F&B married Gwendolen Norton at Southampton UK 6-3-19 relist FO RAAF 14-9-21 to Sqn Ldr Staff College UK 1926-28 to RAAF HQ 1929 to Grp/Capt 1938 later WWII Air Comdr deputy chief of the Air Staff to AVM chief of staff Allied Air Forces 2-5-42 represent the RAAF at surrender of the Japanese in Tokyo Bay elected as a Liberal MHR 1949 CB DSO OBE US Medal of Freedom with Silver Palm

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 March 2011, 12:05:28 pm

Ta Steve
Bostock & Brayshaw are both new, and are now added to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 March 2011, 08:01:21 am
Today

FITCH   Edward William   529   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   HQ 4-15 (G) to AMTS 6-16 to 1 DASP 8-16 to Cpl 8-17 F&B to NME UK aircraft construction married Dorothy Rice at Chelsea London UK 16-12-18 (CMF 1 year)

FRASER   Alfred Drummond   532   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   HQ 5-15 to A/Cpl 8-15 (G) disch 15-12-15 relist AFC R 2 draft (2604) to 2/AM AFC depot UK 2-18 to ARS 1 Wing 2-18 WIA 18-7-18 L/Knee injury accident to 3 Sqn AFC 10-18 F&B to NME UK tailors cutting to ER Sgt 11-19 married Ellen Thorne at Stepney London UK 10-7-19 (ARR CMF 15 months)

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 March 2011, 09:53:59 am
Today

CHERRY   Arthur Don   1566   Spr   3 LH Sig Trp   10R Tos 1-16 to BPO Port Tamping 4-16 to APostC 9-16 to APO London UK 10-16 to L/Cpl 10-17 to ER Cpl 11-17 to 1 SMA Reading UK 4-18 prom 2/Lt (obsver) 3 Sqn AFC 8-18 F&B married Isabella McGolrick at Lambeth UK 23-11-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 March 2011, 09:50:23 am
Frev,

Today another sad one;

GORDON   George   1877   Pte   01 LHR   13R tos Dvr 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 to 3 AAuxH UK Dartford 5-17 RTA MU hernia married Susan Turner at Islington UK 7-7-17 died cardiac due to war service at the 4 AGH Randwick NSW buried Rookwood Cemetery NSW (British 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Hussars (4184) 16 years)
RTA 30-6-18 DoD 7-3-21

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 March 2011, 01:04:20 pm

Hi Steve
Thanks for the extra couples - already had Cherry, but the other 3 are new ta.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 March 2011, 08:58:16 am
Frev.

Today

WOOLLEY   William Herbert   32   Pte   1 LH Bde HQ   (G) (not on emb roll) Cpl DDMS London UK 10-15 to S/Sgt 12-15 o AIF HQ 7-16 to ER Wo1 2-17 disch to Dept of British Aircraft production in UK married Lilian of Leytonstone UK 6-7-17 (British 17th (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Hussars 1 year)

The marrage details are those fiven on a NOK form but wether he married on that date or place s unknown, his wifes maidan name is also unknown?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 March 2011, 03:05:09 pm

Hi Steve

Thanks for William Herbert WOOLLEY - he actually married Lilian in the Jun Qtr of 1916 at Croydon, England - they were possibly engaged before he left England for Egypt to enlist in the AIF, because he originally included her (Miss L Brooker), along with his mother as co-benificiaries in his 1915 Will.

Although born in Qld as you'll know from his records, the whole family emigrated to England in 1908.  At least one of his brothers, Reginald, then returned to Australia pre 1913, where he enlisted in the AIF in June 1915, but was discharged to Home Service in the November (at his wife's request).

William, or Herbert as he preferred to be called, died in Middlesex in 1964, aged 80, and Lilian lived to the ripe old age of 95, dying in 1985. They appear to have had only one son, Derek, born in 1924.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 March 2011, 03:59:03 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate always interesting.

Todays

PARKINSON   James   970   Pte   13 LHR   3R tos A Sqn 11-15 (G) to 2 Trg Bn in UK ( 7Bn) 9-16 to ASqn/1 Anzac LHR 4-17 WIA 1-10-17 R/leg accident kicked by horse to 13 LHR 9-18 to AVH 12-18 F&B married Clara Perry at Lambeth London UK 5-9-17 (Boer War CSqn/1 NSWMR (163) and 2nd Scottish Horse (33560)? (VMR CMF 1 year)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 March 2011, 01:33:45 pm
Today

CULLEN   Harry Joseph   39   Pte   1 LHFA   A Sect (G) att WFF to Dvr 8-16 to trade test 67 Sqn AFC to 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 12-16 to 1/AM 5-17 F&B married in UK? brother Stanley 1 LHFA

He shows not married on his enlistment documents but shows married on one of his cards?

There is no name shown for who he married?

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 22 March 2011, 01:08:12 pm

Thanks for the additions Steve - though I already have PARKINSON from the Pt Napier passenger list.

Harry Joseph CULLEN married Alice Eva CHRISTIE in the Sept Qtr of 1918 at Staines in Middlesex.  He had been born in the Dec Qtr of 1886 at Hornesy (near Highgate), Middlesex – the son of John William CULLEN and Hannah KNIGHT. [Alice had been born at nearby Leytonstone]

Although he’d spent some time in Qld in 1913 and had enlisted from NSW – on his return to Australia in 1919, he and Alice settled in Victoria. [his parents also came out to Australia in 1919]  In the footsteps of his father, Harry became a motor-car proprietor, at first in the St Kilda area, and then in Cheltenham.  They appear to have only had one surviving son.

Harry died at Heidelberg in 1958 & Alice died at Cheltenham in 1966 – they are probably buried at the Cheltenham Memorial Park.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 March 2011, 05:36:09 pm
Mate,

Found another list on page 14 this record

LANGTRY   John William   18668   Pte

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 March 2011, 02:39:59 pm

Ta Steve - unfortunately I already have a copy of this one!
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Renshaw on 29 March 2011, 12:32:04 pm
Frev,

 Pleased that the information is of some assistance to you.
                    You might also like to look at Private Harry Hodgson (different man) Number 1765 1st MG Batt.
                     I had a close look at him in searching for Harry Hodgson Number 926. This Harry was also born in the UK , wounded Gallipoli as well by a further co incidence.
                    Married May Wilson, aged 28 of 58 Preston Road, Freckleton on 26/9/1918. Her occupation given as Cotton Weaver. 
                  This Harry was eliminated due to age ( born 1890) and location , born Lancashire. His father was George William Hodgson of Kirkham, Lancashire.
 Not sure if you have this marriage for your record database. If I come across any others in my searches I would be pleased to pass them on to you.

                                          Regards,

                                        Colin Renshaw.
 
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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 30 March 2011, 11:53:08 am

Thanks Colin - I did already have this Harry Hodgson in the database - but would be very appreciative if you let me know of any others you come across in the future.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 April 2011, 04:26:59 pm
Frev,

Found this bloke

CONE   Leslie Knight   819   Pte   3 LHFA   WIA 8-8-15 L/thigh att 4 Bde to 16 CCS near Aghyl Dere (G) to 2/AM clerk 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 12-16 to 1 Wing HQ Tetbury UK 4-18 to 1/AM clerk 7-18 married Minne Roberts at St Marks Gloucester UK 12-3-19

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 18 April 2011, 02:28:05 pm

Ta Steve

Leslie Cone is new to the database.  Yet another sad case.
Born in 1897 at Carlton, he was the only surviving son of John Thomas CONE (Police Constable) & Mary Jane LANNIN.  His mother Mary died when he was two.  His father remarried in 1906.

After returning to Australia with his new wife Minnie in 1919, they had a son in 1920, and then Leslie died in February 1921 in the Melbourne Hospital, age 24.  He's buried in the Fawkner Cemetery. His widow (who was only 17 when they married) and son John returned to England in the October of that year.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 April 2011, 07:59:46 am
Frev.

Thanks for the extra details, can you give his full date of death.

Also

LINDQUIST   Albert Archer   2703   Pte   4 LHFA   B Sect to A Sect 15 FA 3-16 to Cpl 3-17 reduced to Pte 4-18 F&B married Olive Wilkinson at Friern Barnet 19-10-18 AKA Lendguist

LISTER   Herbert   2639   Dvr   4 LHFA   A Sect to 15 FA 3-16 to AIF Canteen Egypt 3-16 to A/Sgt AIF Canteen UK att AIF depots 6-16 to ER Sgt 4-17 to ER/SQMS 5-18 recom Honours list - brought to the notice of the Secretary of State of War for valuble services married Mabel Butler at Oatlands UK 22-8-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 April 2011, 02:30:20 pm
Frev,

Today

COOK   Henry Grayson   2713   Pte   4 LHFA   B Sect to 3 FA 3-16 t/att 10Bn 2-17 F&B deserted in UK 30-8-17 surrended 11-3-20 married in UK RTA with wife

Only clue is his RTA which mentions his wife but no names?

Also this man;

CUMBERLAND   William John   1671   Pte   4 LHFA   3R Tos 9-15 to 3 FA 3-16 to 17 FA 6-17 att 67Bn rtn 3 FA 11-17 WIA 11-8-18 gas near Harbonnieres F&B married in UK

There is a note showing he married but no other details?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 April 2011, 03:00:57 pm
Frev,

Today

CUNNINGHAM   John   6525   Pte   4 LHFA   7R tos 1 CCS 3-16 MSM reason not stated F&B to NME UK printing married Gwendoline Chambers at Wolverhampton UK 16-11-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: mezz on 25 April 2011, 01:36:12 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate sorry about that.

Another

HEWETT   Ivor Frank Steele   870   Pte   02 LHR   4R tos B Sqn 8-15 att 1 LH Bde HQ as messenger 9-15 (G) to L/Cpl att WFF to Bdr 43Bty/11 FAB (870a) 4-16 to 36 HAG 6-17 to 54 SiegeBty 11-17 to 1 SiegeBty 5-18 F&B AKA Ivor Frederick Steele Hewett married Florence Sproule at Cairo Egypt 27-3-16

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 April 2011, 09:15:14 am
Frev,

Today

Check page 39 of this mans file

LUCK   John William   17330

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 April 2011, 03:43:11 pm

Thanks for the extra details, can you give his full date of death.


Hi Steve - hope you've had a good Easter - been busy I see  :)

Afraid I can't be anymore specific with the death of Leslie Cone, other than to say that he was buried on the 11/2/1921 & they were usually buried within a couple of days of death back then - sometimes even on the same day.

Lindquist & Lister are both new - thank you for them.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 April 2011, 04:01:18 pm
COOK   Henry Grayson   2713   Pte   4 LHFA   B Sect to 3 FA 3-16 t/att 10Bn 2-17 F&B deserted in UK 30-8-17 surrended 11-3-20 married in UK RTA with wife

Only clue is his RTA which mentions his wife but no names?


Steve - can't pin down the marriage for Henry Cook at the moment either - but he married Lillian - they returned together on the Hororata in 1920. They had a daughter Edna in the early 1920s.

He was listed as a Fettler in Kanowna, WA in 1936 & a Shop Assistant, living in Nth Fremantle in 1949.  Lillian died at Freo in 1949 & is buried in the Salvation Army section of the Fremantle Cemetery.  Henry is then listed as a Salvation Army Officer living in Kalgoorlie in 1954.  He died in 1976 in East Coolgardie, WA.

Henry was born in 1894 in Birkenhead, Cheshire - the son of James Henry & Emily.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 April 2011, 04:11:39 pm

CUMBERLAND   William John   1671   Pte   4 LHFA   3R Tos 9-15 to 3 FA 3-16 to 17 FA 6-17 att 67Bn rtn 3 FA 11-17 WIA 11-8-18 gas near Harbonnieres F&B married in UK

There is a note showing he married but no other details?


Steve - Have Cumberland in the database already with the following details:

William married Elizabeth Barrie BURTON in the Dec Qtr of 1917 at Pewsey in Wiltshire.  He RTA on the Karmala 2/1/19 - 15/2/19, and she followed on the 27/2/1919 on the Balmoral Castle.
The couple returned to Nundah, Qld where William was born (23/9/1889, son of James & Matilda) and raised, & he was listed there as a Compositor in 1925.  He died 15/2/1928 at the Rosemount Military Hospital, and is buried in the Nundah Cemetery.  Elizabeth remarried in 1929.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 April 2011, 04:12:50 pm
CUNNINGHAM   John   6525   Pte   4 LHFA   7R tos 1 CCS 3-16 MSM reason not stated F&B to NME UK printing married Gwendoline Chambers at Wolverhampton UK 16-11-18

Another new one - Ta Steve.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 April 2011, 04:14:13 pm

Check page 39 of this mans file
LUCK   John William   17330


Great Steve - didn't have this list yet.
Thanks heaps, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: ballywatches on 05 May 2011, 01:49:44 pm
His father remarried in 1906.After returning to Australia with his new wife Minnie in 1919, they had a son in 1920, and then Leslie died in February 1921 in the Melbourne Hospital, age 24.  He's buried in the Fawkner Cemetery. His widow (who was only 17 when they married) and son John returned to England in the October of that year.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 May 2011, 09:45:52 am
Frev,

Todays

HOLWAY   Percival Francis   158   Pte   10 LHR   A Sqn B Troop? (G) to L/Cpl 11-17 to T/S/Sgt instructor Cook ATC&DC 7-18 married Alice Manndrell Glastonbury UK 3-11-15 (British 2Bn The Devonshire Regt 9 months) disch UK 9-1-20

He married Alice while in hosp in the UK from illness on Gallipoli.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 May 2011, 08:57:06 pm

Hi Steve
Thanks for Percy & Alice Holway - they're new & are now added to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 May 2011, 07:22:22 am
Frev

Today

BALLINGER   Ernest James   704   Pte   10 LHR   2R tos B Sqn 5-15 (G) to 11Bn 9-16 to 51Bn (704a) 10-16 FGCM 10-12-16 AWoL sentenced 30 days FP 1 FGCM 2-1-17 disobeying sentenced 7 years PS to No1 Military Prison Rouen released 18-1-18 WIA 25-4-18 gas in Switch Trench at Cacay F&B married Emma Harris at Hackney UK 10-6-16 (Boer War Cape LH)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 May 2011, 07:17:02 am
Frev,

Today

HARDY   Richard   284   Pte   10 LHR   B Sqn B Troop WIA 28-8-15 both legs shrapnel at Hill 60 (G) to AIF depots UK 5-16 to A/Sgt 11-18 married Alice Hebblethwaite at Edmonton UK 2-9-16

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 May 2011, 12:24:44 pm

Thanks again Steve - Ballinger & Hardy are both new to me - cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: LisaW on 22 May 2011, 07:48:51 pm

Yes Steve - you'd already given me McFarlane - but Ashton is new ta.

Some details I've gathered on him incase any of it's of interest:

Edwin Meakin ASHTON was born in the Sept Qtr of 1884 in Birmingham, England – the son of John & Pamela Fanny (nee Meakin).  He married Mabel Elizabeth WATKINS in the Sept Qtr of 1917 at Christchurch, Hampshire, England.  They returned to Australia together on the Balmoral Castle, embarking 25/2/1919 and arriving Melbourne 13/4/1919.

They settled in Paisley St, Footscray, and Edwin who had been a Grocer (like his father) before enlistment, took on employment as an Estate Agent.
Their first child John Watkins was born on the 4/8/1919, and he went on to serve in the RAN from 1937-1949 (d.1973).  Daughter Patricia Mona was born 20/9/1922 & she served in the Women’s Army during WW2.  Sons Frank Edward (Ted) born 10/9/1924 and Kenneth Herbert born 5/8/1926, also served in WW2, Ted in the Army & Ken in the RAAF.

Edwin died at Footscray on the 28/1/1966 & Mabel died 26/1/1984 – they are side by side in The Memorial Park, Altona.

Notes on Edwin / Edward:
Birth & Marriage registered as Edwin, also Census records
Death & Burial registered as Edward, also Electoral roll


Cheers, Frev

Hi Thanks for posting this, it's helped me out :) This is my Great Grandfather. Mabel and Edward also had another daughter Gladys :) I thought you may enjoy seeing some images of him...

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3462/5745510141_5464c37f2c_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/5746059308_36717bd9ce_o.jpg)

Also I have this picture of him Taken 25 August 1916 when he was with the 2nd Division Artillery 'Somewhere in France' ... (NB research would suggest this would have been during their involvement in the Battle of Mouquet Farm )
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5029/5745509109_f68c2c5a94_o.jpg)
The names of all those with him were on the back
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5307/5745509247_1fc85f6ccf_o.jpg)





Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 25 May 2011, 12:03:18 pm

Hi Lisa - thanks for sharing the photos of your Great Grandfather - I hope you don't mind if I copy them for my database?
I've also added Gladys to my files.
Glad I could be of some help to you too.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: LisaW on 25 May 2011, 09:33:08 pm
That is fine Frev! :)



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 May 2011, 12:21:43 pm
Frev

Today

DOUGLAS   Albert Ernest   1529   Pte   03 LHR   11R Tos 1-16 to 2 DAC 3-16 to Gnr 10Bty/4 FAB 4-16 to HQ/4 FAB 9-17 WIA 18-10-18 thighs burns at Passendaele F&B married Isabella Baxter at Bathgate UK 18-11-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 June 2011, 09:21:37 pm

Ta Steve - another new one for the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 June 2011, 09:19:57 am
Frev,

Today

GREEN   Edward Cecil   411   Pte   10 LHR   C Sqn C Troop WIA 8-10-15 buttock at Canterbury Slope (G) to L/Cpl 10-16 to ER Cpl Orderly DMC camp 8-17 to ER/Sgt AIF Canteen 9-17 married Amy Macpherson at Haddenham UK 25-10-19 (British Assam LH TA in India 6 years) later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 June 2011, 02:03:43 pm

Thanks Steve - Edward Green is also new.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 June 2011, 07:41:06 am
Frev

Todays

AMBLER   Harold Frederick   776   Pte   10 LHR   3R Tos A Sqn remain Egypt RTA VD relist 11R/04 LHR (1427) att Comp LHR 12-15 to 5 Div Sig Co 3-16 to DSqn/2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to bugler XXII Corps MR 1-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B married Winifred Bevan at Fyede UK 23-9-18 (British 18th (Queen Mary's Own) Hussars 5 years)


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 June 2011, 09:39:48 am
Frev,

This related to another DB of yours

GREEN   Zebulan   726   Pte   10 LHR   2R Tos 9-15 WIA 8-10-15 buttock shrapnel at Canterbury Slope (G) MM for his actions at Jisr Benat Yakab 27-9-18 and at Sasa 30-9-18 and Duma 1-10-18 to Dvr 11-18 later WWII Sgt 9 Aux HT Co to 7 (chinese) Employ Co died in road accident of injuries when hit by Army truck driven by Pte Henry 134 AGTC at Mt Isa Qld buried Mt Isa War Cemetary Qld moved to Adelaide River Cemetary NT   

Farmer   20   Brooms Hill WA   

Enlisted 19-11-14   RTA 24-7-19

DoA 31-5-43

What I found Interesting was the 7th (Chinese) Employment Co? 

I didn't know we used purely chinese labour in a company?

Just to add another one here's some one that had his marriage recorded?

DINSDALE   Simon George   721   Pte   10 LHR   2R Tos 8-15 shown WIA 7-8-15 shell shock deafness concussion by shell in charge at the Nek WIA 8-10-15 R/shoulder shrapnel at Canterbury Slope (G) disch 29-9-16 deafness relist Spr 5 LROC (1941) to 16 LROC 9-17 to 2 LROC 5-18 F&B married Ada Stockell at Northallerton UK 15-3-1894

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 11 June 2011, 02:47:36 pm

Steve - thanks for the Ambler marriage which is new - and I've added Dinsdale to the other list that you've 'forced'  :D me to start.

Special thanks for Zeb Green too - I think he might be the first post WW1 accidental death that I have listed that actually occured during service in WW2.  The Chinese Unit is interesting - I've never heard of it before either.

Out of interest, here's a little more on him in his Obit:

Western Mail (Perth), Thur 30 Sept 1943:
A Veteran Passes
It is with deep regret that we record the death by accident in Queesland of Sgt Zeb Green, MM, of the Chinese Employment Coy.
[Photo]
Sgt Green enlisted in the 10th Australian Light Horse at Katanning on November 19, 1914, and served abroad for 4½ years, during which period he was awarded the Military Medal.
He re-enlisted in a Railway Construction Coy in Perth on April 16, 1940, and served in England and the Middle East until his discharge as over-age on November 3, 1941.  Almost immediately he enlisted in the AMF, and served for about a year with a Horse Transport Coy in the metropolitan area until his transfer to the Chinese Employment Coy in November, 1942.
His death occurred whilst superintending the loading of some trucks.  While directing a truck to one of the loading ramps, the noise of a nearby engine prevented him from hearing a truck backing towards him.  He was knocked down and fatally injured.  It is significant that despite his injuries he called the Chinese corporal over and said, “Corporal, you are in charge now.  Don’t stop loading the convoy.”
This example of devotion to duty was described by Sgt Green’s C.O., who paid a sincere tribute to this gallant old soldier when he said: “If there is anything finer than that in the manner of a man’s death, I have yet to hear of it.”
Sgt Green was expecting to return to this State on leave at the time of his death.  He is survived by a widow, two sons and four daughters.  One of his boys is in the Army and the other is on constructional work “somewhere in Australia.”

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 June 2011, 09:00:23 am
Frev

Sorry for adding to your burdons here's another one with limited details?

HAMILTON   William   798   Pte   10 LHR   3R NTOS tos AIF HQ Egypt 5-15 to Cpl 6-15 to Sgt 10-15 to HQ AMTS Chelsea UK 9-16 to S/Sgt 6-17 to 4 MTCo 8-18 F&B to NME UK married Elsie in UK 1918

Another one

DAVIES   William Thomas   864   Pte   10 LHR   4R Tos B Sqn A Troop 6-15 (G) to 16Bn 9-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 9-18 married Mabel Keeler at Bristol UK 11-1-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 June 2011, 09:38:55 am
Frev

Today

Found this one misfiled

Edward Foster Pte 1200 DCo 20BN

married Lilian Stagg at Hitchin UK 5-1-17

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 June 2011, 09:38:49 am
Mate,

Todays

Another one with limited details, sorry

COLLINS   William James   1127   Pte   10 LHR   7R Tos 10-15 (G) to 51Bn 11-16 to L/Cpl 12-16 to Cpl 1-17 WIA 19-7-17 L/thigh near Warneton F&B to AIF depots UK 10-17 married Lucy in London UK 26-3-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 June 2011, 05:40:23 pm
Frev

Sorry for adding to your burdons here's another one with limited details?

HAMILTON   William   798   Pte   10 LHR   3R NTOS tos AIF HQ Egypt 5-15 to Cpl 6-15 to Sgt 10-15 to HQ AMTS Chelsea UK 9-16 to S/Sgt 6-17 to 4 MTCo 8-18 F&B to NME UK married Elsie in UK 1918

Another one

DAVIES   William Thomas   864   Pte   10 LHR   4R Tos B Sqn A Troop 6-15 (G) to 16Bn 9-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 9-18 married Mabel Keeler at Bristol UK 11-1-19

Cheers

S.B


Steve - all the valuable info you pass on could never be a burden!  ;)

Thanks for these two - both new.

A little extra info on Hamilton for you incase you're interested:

The eldest son of George Sharp HAMILTON & Joan WELCH, he married Elsie Eleanor BLADON in the June Quarter (Apr-Jun) of 1918 at Watford, Hertfordshire, England
They had at least one son Gordon Bladon Hamilton - who served in WW2
William died 16/6/1966 Wembley, WA, age 73 & both he and Elsie are buried in the Karrakatta Cemetery, WA

His brother George Sharp Hamilton DOW 23/11/1917 France (Pte 1664, 51st Bn)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 June 2011, 05:49:43 pm

Another one with limited details, sorry

COLLINS   William James   1127   Pte   10 LHR   7R Tos 10-15 (G) to 51Bn 11-16 to L/Cpl 12-16 to Cpl 1-17 WIA 19-7-17 L/thigh near Warneton F&B to AIF depots UK 10-17 married Lucy in London UK 26-3-18


Ta also for Edward Foster & WJ Collins - 2 more newies.

And a little more on Collins:

He married Lucy Winifred YAPP in the Mar Qtr 1918 at Wilton, in Wiltshire, England

He's listed as a 'Mill Hand' in Jarnadup, WA in 1925
A 'Boundary Rider' in 1937 in Deniliquin, NSW - but by 1949 is living in Jerilderie, NSW and working as a 'Rabbit Inspector'.

Lucy died in Jerilderie in 1964 & William died at Tocumwal, NSW in 1966.  (Tocumwal Cemetery details are not yet on-line, but there is a Collins buried there)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 June 2011, 09:11:58 am
Frev,

Thanks mate, another strange one for you.

RUTLEDGE   Stanley Edward   464   Pte   6 LHR   C Sqn to L/Cpl 1-15 remain Egypt to Cpl 9-16 to records sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ 10-17 to ER Sgt 5-18 to AIF depots UK 11-18 to ER Wo1 5-19 married Helen in UK (Hawkesbury Lancers CMF 2 years later WWII )

There is some paper work at the end to say he now has a wife by the name of Helen Edith Rutledge of the Union Bank of Australia at Cornhill London UK which started payment 16 April 1915.

They appear to also have a child called phyllis Edith Rutledge.

The marriage date had me stumpted as in April 1915 he was in Egypt so was this another Egyptiam marrage and where did his wife come from, did she travel to Egypt on a ship, was she an ex nurse?

Mate just when you get settled here's another one;

CHISHOLM   John MacKellar      2/Lt   6 LHR   A Sqn remain Egypt with horses OC Dtls to staff officer 1 Div HQ 11-15 rtn Adjt RHQ 1-16 prom Capt 8-16 disch 14-11-17 MU dyspepsia married Marjory in Egypt 4-17 (2/Lt NSWMR 1909 CMF 2 years) related Roy 1 LHR

The only detail I can see is a note in his records that he was going on leave to be married 3rd April 1917 and returned a few days later?

Was she a nurse or traveled to Egypt on her own?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 June 2011, 12:09:27 pm
Frev,

Thought you may like this bloke for another of your DB's.

HUTTON   Hugh Montgomerie   565   Pte   6 LHR   MG Sect to Cpl 7-15 to DCo/4Bn (1702) 8-15 prom 2/Lt (one of six men prom 2/Lt 4-8-15) 8-15 WIA 6/7-8-15 legs & R/arm in fighting at Lone Pine (G) disch 12-5-16 amputated R/arm died of septic meningitis to head at Wagga Hosp after being thrown in sulky accident at Wagga buried Wagga Cemetery NSW   

Grazier   40   Bomen NSW   and Christchurch NZ

Enlisted 25-11-14   RTA 19-1-16 DoA 16-11-18   

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 June 2011, 09:52:37 pm
Frev,

Thought you may like this bloke for another of your DB's.

HUTTON   Hugh Montgomerie   565   Pte   6 LHR   MG Sect to Cpl 7-15 to DCo/4Bn (1702) 8-15 prom 2/Lt (one of six men prom 2/Lt 4-8-15) 8-15 WIA 6/7-8-15 legs & R/arm in fighting at Lone Pine (G) disch 12-5-16 amputated R/arm died of septic meningitis to head at Wagga Hosp after being thrown in sulky accident at Wagga buried Wagga Cemetery NSW   

Grazier   40   Bomen NSW   and Christchurch NZ

Enlisted 25-11-14   RTA 19-1-16 DoA 16-11-18   

Cheers

S.B

Steve - thanks for Hugh Hutton - didn't have him in the Acc Deaths DB.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 June 2011, 10:01:13 pm

Thanks mate, another strange one for you.

RUTLEDGE   Stanley Edward   464   Pte   6 LHR   C Sqn to L/Cpl 1-15 remain Egypt to Cpl 9-16 to records sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ 10-17 to ER Sgt 5-18 to AIF depots UK 11-18 to ER Wo1 5-19 married Helen in UK (Hawkesbury Lancers CMF 2 years later WWII )

There is some paper work at the end to say he now has a wife by the name of Helen Edith Rutledge of the Union Bank of Australia at Cornhill London UK which started payment 16 April 1915.

They appear to also have a child called phyllis Edith Rutledge.

The marriage date had me stumpted as in April 1915 he was in Egypt so was this another Egyptiam marrage and where did his wife come from, did she travel to Egypt on a ship, was she an ex nurse?


Steve - I can answer some of your questions as I already have Rutledge in the database - but you'll have to plough your way through the following  :D
Cheers, Frev

6th LH:

RUTLEDGE, Stanley Edward – Tpr / Cpl 464, C Sqdn
Born 9/6/1882 Scone, NSW (no birth reg. found) – son of Rev. David Dunlop RUTLEDGE, M.A., M.B., Ch.M. & Mary Adelaide ASSER – who married in Scone, NSW in 1878 – David died 19/9/1905, age 53 & Mary died 3/6/1943

Siblings (10):  1. Harold S b.1879 Wilcannia, NSW; 2. Irene Amy b.1881 Wilcannia; 3. Robert T. b.1884 Newtown, NSW; 4. Mary K.D. b.1885 Newtown; 5. Helen F.M. b.1887 Balmain, NSW; 6. Leslie b.1888 Sydney; 7. Ethel V.M. b.1892 Waverley, NSW;
8. Eric Shannon b.1894 Waverley – WW1, Pte 7066, 3rd Bn – demobbed in England;
9. Marjorie B.L. b.1898 Bowral, NSW; 10. Frederick D. b.1900 Bowral

Occupations:
Estate Agent – Messrs E.L. Waddy & Poulton Estate Agents & Auctioneers, Sydney (1924)
Sales – Melbourne 1931, 1936
Tutor – Melbourne, 1943

Hawkesbury Lancers – 2 years

Enlisted WW1 21/10/1914 Liverpool, NSW
Embarked Sydney 21/12/1914 on the A29 Suevic

Married Helen (Nellie) Edith PIGGOTT 4/3/1915 Mena Camp, Egypt

The Sydney Morning Herald, Fri 23 Apr 1915:
A MENA WEDDING
THE FIRST IN CAMP
Letters received from Cairo from Trooper Stanley Rutledge and his wife show that they were responsible for the first wedding in the Mena Camp.  Mrs Rutledge traveled from England to Egypt for the ceremony, and the bride writes to her mother-in-law, Mrs David Rutledge, of Manly: - “I caught a boat a week after receiving the cable, arrived in Cairo late in the afternoon of March 3, and we were married the following morning at 10 o’clock.  The wedding took place in a tent, which was very nicely decorated with flowers, and looked quite gay.  The chaplain of the regiment performed the ceremony, and I was given away by Colonel Cox, whom I had never seen in my life.  Stan’s best man was Sergeant Shelley, and a Miss Devonshire was my bridesmaid.  Mrs Devonshire and her daughter were very kind to us.  They are residents here, and do all in their power for the soldiers – that is how Stan met them.  They took me to camp, and gave me some flowers, and were altogether very nice.  There were quite a number of officers present at the wedding.  Brigadier Colonel Ryrie was there, and gave me an Egyptian bangle as a wedding present: while Colonel Cox asked me to buy something we might like with the cheque he gave.  So we did have some wedding presents after all!  The chaplain made a charming speech after the ceremony, and then we went into another tent for light refreshments and tea.  Our health was drunk in tea, and some nice speeches were made and responded to.  When we came out of the tent there was a photographer waiting for us, and also numerous soldiers with their kodaks, so we were a much-taken couple.  I am enclosing a photograph of the group – you can see what a nice, simple wedding it was.  I wore a coat and skirt, thinking it more suitable than anything elaborate, and we drove away from the camp on a five-days’ honeymoon amidst the cheers of the troopers.”

The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 24/4/1915:
MARRIAGES
RUTLEDGE – PIGGOTT – March 4, at Maladi [sic] Camp, Egypt, by the Rev Captain Tubman, Chaplain 6th Light Horse Regiment, Stanley Edward, second son of the late Rev David D. Rutledge, M.A., M.B., Ch.M., and Mrs Rutledge of Manly, to Helen Edith (Nellie), only daughter of Mrs Piggott of Sydney.

The family returned to Australia on the Osterley 28/9/1919 – 9/11/1919 NSW

Children:
Phyllis Edith b. Jun Qtr 1916 Edmonton, England
Brian David b.21/1/1926 Mosman, NSW – WW2, RAAF (NOK Stanley / resident of Hawthorn on enlistment)

Applied for assistance in 1920, to purchase a motor car for business
Resident of 37 Mary St, Glenferrie, Vic in 1931 / 70 Wattle Rd, Glenferrie in 1936
WW2:  V81456, WO (Class 1) 3 Dist Records – Enlisted 12/10/1939 Melbourne (Resident of Hawthorn)
Resident 127A Tooronga Rd, Auburn, Vic in 1943

Died 16/10/1948 Heidelberg, Victoria, age 66
Cremated Springvale Botanical Cemetery

Helen still resident 127A Tooronga Rd, Camberwell in 1949 & 1954 – son Brian living with her, and listed as a student

Helen died July 1960 Melbourne, age 72 and was also cremated at Springvale
[Born c1888 Clapton, England – she was the daughter of James Piggott & Minnie Dawson – although Helen was in England just before her marriage – her mother was living in Sydney at the time]



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 June 2011, 10:06:04 pm

Mate just when you get settled here's another one;

CHISHOLM   John MacKellar      2/Lt   6 LHR   A Sqn remain Egypt with horses OC Dtls to staff officer 1 Div HQ 11-15 rtn Adjt RHQ 1-16 prom Capt 8-16 disch 14-11-17 MU dyspepsia married Marjory in Egypt 4-17 (2/Lt NSWMR 1909 CMF 2 years) related Roy 1 LHR

The only detail I can see is a note in his records that he was going on leave to be married 3rd April 1917 and returned a few days later?

Was she a nurse or traveled to Egypt on her own?

Cheers

S.B

Steve - John CHISHOLM is new to the database - I'll have a look into it tomorrow & see if I can answer your questions  ;)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 June 2011, 02:24:25 pm

Mate just when you get settled here's another one;

CHISHOLM   John MacKellar      2/Lt   6 LHR   A Sqn remain Egypt with horses OC Dtls to staff officer 1 Div HQ 11-15 rtn Adjt RHQ 1-16 prom Capt 8-16 disch 14-11-17 MU dyspepsia married Marjory in Egypt 4-17 (2/Lt NSWMR 1909 CMF 2 years) related Roy 1 LHR

The only detail I can see is a note in his records that he was going on leave to be married 3rd April 1917 and returned a few days later?

Was she a nurse or traveled to Egypt on her own?

Cheers

S.B

Steve - John CHISHOLM is new to the database - I'll have a look into it tomorrow & see if I can answer your questions  ;)
Cheers, Frev


Steve – this is quite a fascinating family, which I’ll be following up on further (eventually!).

John MacKellar CHISHOLM as you noted was granted leave between 6/3/17 & 3/4/17 to be married – he married Marjory MacKellar GILES on the 13/3/1917 in Port Said, Egypt

Marjory, who was known as ‘Midge’, was the daughter of the headmaster of the Sydney Grammar School, and she’d traveled to Egypt as a VAD – haven’t yet established if they knew each other before the war – but highly possible & even looking likely they may be related (both their mothers were MacKellars).

John’s mother Margaret & his only sister Sheila (who also married in Egypt – a Brit – which made her Lady Loughborough) were in England when the war broke out & also traveled to Egypt – to be near John & to volunteer their services.

John’s only other sibling, was his brother Roy (1st LH as you have noted) – he died in Alice Springs in 1944.
Their father Harry was the founder of H. Chisholm & Co. Ltd, blood stock agents.

John & Midge settled on John’s ‘fledgling’ cattle & sheep property, Wantalayna Station in outback Qld, near Winton; where they had 2 sons Harry (who died in WW2 serving with the RAF) & Wallace.  Unfortunately, the marriage didn’t work out, and Midge sued for divorce in 1929.  John married ‘the reason for their divorce’ – Beatrice Mary EVANS later that same year.  John died 10/9/1967.

Midge also remarried, to a British Army officer in 1932 & became a popular columnist with the Sydney Morning Herald, writing about her life in India etc.  She also became a novelist in her 80’s, writing a couple of books based on her life.  She died in 1986 at the age of 91.

This may be one of those stories that ends up in “Digger” one of these days!  ;)

[PS – s’pose I’d better get in touch with the NAA & let them know that John was born in Goulburn, NSW (which is in the county of Argyle) – and not Argyle, Scotland!]

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 June 2011, 04:41:35 pm
Frev,

No worries there are many intersting men in the AIF.

Todays

McGHEE   John Simpson Horsburgh   186   SSM   6 LHR   B Sqn to T/Armourer Sgt RHQ 10-15 (G) to RQMS RHQ 1-16 to RTO Mahamdiya Aust MD 4-16 rtn 10-16 to RSM 1-18 married Margaret Tait at St Giles London UK 6-5-19 (British 7Bn The Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) AKA real name John Simpson Horsburgh McGee

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 June 2011, 10:32:47 am
Frev,

ATTRILL   Albert Ernest   75   Pte   6 LHR   A Sqn to RHQ 5-15 att 2 LH Bde HQ 9-15 rtn 11-15 (G) to 1 LH Bde HQ 1-16 att WFF to 1 Entr Bn 3-17 att 20Co 3-17 to 1Co AASC 1 Div Trn 5-17 MM for his actions around Zonnebeke near Ypres 3-11-17 att Aust Corps HQ 1-18 WIA 20-3-18 L/leg fractured accident F&B to AIF depots UK 2-19 to APayC London UK 2-19 to ER 2/Cpl 5-19 married Hilda Chapman at Battersea UK 26-10-18

(Aust Horse CMF 2 years)    3 LH    

Coach driver   26   Bega NSW   

Enlisted 5-9-14   disch UK 13-11-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 June 2011, 07:45:38 am
Frev,

Todays

CARVELL   Henry   40   Pte   1 Half Flight AFC   Mesoptamia att batman 30 Sqn RFC 12-15 to 1 Sqn AFC 10-16 to Wls oper 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 12-16 att 42 Sqn RFC 8-17 to 3 Sqn AFC 1-18 to 2/AM 5-18 att 10 FAB 8-18 F&B to AFC depot Wandover UK 11-18 to 1/AM 3-19 to NME UK Comms married Clare Greville at Marylebone UK 18-11-18 (British 26th Cameronians TF 12 years)

also page 33 of his file has a list 356 of 5 MD with wifes and child

Also one that needs checking

CROMPTON   Sidney Leichardt   41   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) to APostC ABPO London UK 4-16 to ER Cpl 11-17 to ER Sgt 6-18 F&B married Eliz in UK (CMF 2 years)

No marriage form only a change of NOK which shows her as Eliz Annie Crompton they lived at Hammersmith London dated 27-11-17

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 27 June 2011, 02:49:58 pm

Hi Steve

Thanks for the these four new couples.
(unfortunately already have a copy of the list 356)

Sidney CROMPTON married Elizabeth Annie BETTERIDGE in the Dec Qtr of 1917 at Fulham, England.
He was born 13/4/1892 Zillmere, Qld - the son of Thomas CROMPTON & Sarah Louisa CATCHPOLE - and died 20/1/1959.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 July 2011, 05:25:17 pm
Frev,

Today

WYLDES   Cyril Robert   388   A/Cpl   05 LHR   B Sqn WIA 28-6-15 in attack on the Balkan Pitts or shown WIA 2-7-15 R/hip & arm at Chathams Post WIA 5-9-15 R/leg at Chathams Post (G) to AIF HQ UK 6-16 to T/S/Sgt 3-17 to Wo1 AIF depots 5-17 revert L/Cpl 11-17 rtn 05 LHR 7-18 to T/Cpl 10-18 married Edith Blaxland at Marylebone UK 9-11-17

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 05 July 2011, 01:48:11 pm

Ta Steve - Cyril & Edith are also new to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 July 2011, 03:06:58 pm
Frev

Today

AYLWARD   James Joseph   608   Pte   02 LHR   1R tos B Sqn 5-15 (G) to AProvC MMP 3 Div HQ 8-16 to L/Cpl 4-17 F&B to ER 2/Cpl AProvC London UK 2-19 married May Cash at Werst Ham UK 21-9-16 brother Phillip 2 LHR

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 July 2011, 01:47:39 pm

Ta Steve – I actually already have the Aylwards in a couple of my databases!
Theirs unfortunately, is one of those very, very sad stories that ended in total tragedy (murder / suicide).

James & May both died 30/4/1927 & are interred together in the Toowong Cemetery, Qld
They left behind 4 young children.
As well as Phillip, James had another brother who served - Walter (2580, 4th Pioneers).

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 July 2011, 08:26:18 am
Frev

Thanks yes sad indeed, so many went that way pity he took someone with him,

Today

DIXON   Sydney Frederick    5531   Gnr   1 DAC   11R Tos HQ 11-15 to V1A MTMB 8-16 F&B to AProvC AIF depots Tidworth UK 8-17 to ER 2/Cpl 2-19 AKA Sydney Francis Dixon married Edith Day at Weymouth UK 17-3-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 July 2011, 04:15:05 pm

Ta Steve - Sydney Dixon is new to the database - bringing the total of those who married from the AProvC to 103.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 July 2011, 04:58:54 pm
Frev

Today

Another man with no marriage card so no wifes maidan name or other details?

KIRKLEY   Launcelot   62   Pte   02 LHR   MG Sect WIA 23-7-15 shoulder, arm & foot shrapnel at Popes post (G) to MT Dvr AASC AMTS London UK 9-16 to artificer 9-17 married Lilian at London 8-17 (ASqn CMF 5 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 July 2011, 04:31:40 pm

Hi Steve - another newey ta.

Launcelot married Lilian F. ESSEN in the Sep Qtr of 1917 at Uxbridge, England.  After being discharged in England, he remained there - dying in 1966 at Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, age 79.
He appears to have re-married in 1937, though his first wife didn't die until 1959 - so it seems another war marriage that didn't last!

His brother John Reginald also served (5693, 25th Bn)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 July 2011, 07:43:51 am
Frev

Today

Thanks mate here's one where the marrage address had me, also another older man and very young woman;

FRANCIS   Joseph   446   Pte   7 LHR   B Sqn WIA 12-7-15 R/leg in demo by Lt Bird from Ryries Post (G) to 4Bn 9-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 10-17 married Caroline Kibblewhite at Bafrat UK 19-1-18

And

GAVIN   John Joseph   2341   Pte   05 LHR   16R tos AProvC AIF depots Tidworth UK 1-17 to L/Cpl & A/Cpl 6-17 to Gnr 101Bty/1 FAB 1-18 F&B married Edith Plank at Shipton UK 20-9-17 brothers James 31Bn KIA, George, Patrick and Stephen 5 LHR

Do you class him as one of the Provo Corps men or Artillery?

another Provo Corps, busy morning

GAYNOR   Hugh   1092   Pte   7 LHR   7R Tos MG Sect 10-15 (G) to AProvC AIF depots Tidworth UK 1-17 married Ethel Attwood at Westbury UK 23-12-16

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 July 2011, 03:45:21 pm

Thanks mate here's one where the marrage address had me, also another older man and very young woman;

FRANCIS   Joseph   446   Pte   7 LHR   B Sqn WIA 12-7-15 R/leg in demo by Lt Bird from Ryries Post (G) to 4Bn 9-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 10-17 married Caroline Kibblewhite at Bafrat UK 19-1-18



Ta Steve - Francis, Gavin & Gaynor are all new.

For the above, the marriage registration district should have actually shown Cricklade & Wooton Bassett - not Cricklade & Wooton Bafrat

However, they were actually married in the parish church at Lydiard Millicent, which is in the above reg. district, & they are all in the county of Wiltshire - so it might be easier just to show it in your records as Wiltshire  :D

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 July 2011, 03:55:45 pm

GAVIN   John Joseph   2341   Pte   05 LHR   16R tos AProvC AIF depots Tidworth UK 1-17 to L/Cpl & A/Cpl 6-17 to Gnr 101Bty/1 FAB 1-18 F&B married Edith Plank at Shipton UK 20-9-17 brothers James 31Bn KIA, George, Patrick and Stephen 5 LHR

Do you class him as one of the Provo Corps men or Artillery?


Steve - when I began the database I used to only show the actual unit the soldier was in when he married - in the above case, 101 How Bty, 1st FAB - but these days I often include the others as well - so I guess the inconsistency will soon start to throw the figures out - I'll get it sorted one day maybe!  :-\

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 July 2011, 07:45:28 pm
Frev,

Another one, but more certain when married he was a Provo.

JONES   John Arthur   231   Pte   7 LHR   A Sqn WIA 2-9-15 L/leg bomb at Shell Gully or Holly Spur (G) att AProvC AMP Tidworth UK 8-16 rtn A Sqn A Troop? 5-17 WIA 27-1-18 fractured ribbs accident playing football married Ellen Dagnall at Woolwich UK 10-6-16

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 July 2011, 02:16:51 pm
Frev,

Today

LYONS   William   444   Pte   03 LHR   C Sqn (G) to AProvC AIF Tidworth UK 9-17 to AProvC 2 Div HQ 1-18 F&B to ER 2/Cpl 2-19 married Susie Comben at Weymouth UK 15-1-19 (CMF 2 years) brother Arthur 3 LHR KIA


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 July 2011, 07:41:38 am
Frev

Today

You may notice I am working on the Provo Corps blokes for the last week. so they pop up now and then.

BAULCH   Henry   366   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn D Troop (G) to MP staff LH Dtls UK 6-16 to AProvC AIF Tidworth UK 1-17 to MMP 1 Div HQ 6-18 F&B to ER 2/Cpl AProvC AIF Tidworth UK 2-19 married Agnes Robertson at Kensington London UK 20-2-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 July 2011, 07:26:06 am
Frev,

Today

BRADSHAW   Henry Alexander   1555   Pte   02 LHR   12R tos AProvC MMP 4 Div HQ 3-16 to A/Cpl 7-16 to L/Cpl 10-17 to ER 2/Cpl 2-19 F&B married Margaret Sinclair at Dysart UK 12-9-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 18 July 2011, 06:01:03 pm

Ta Steve - already have Bradshaw, but Baulch, Lyons & Jones are all new.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 July 2011, 08:15:49 am
Frev

Todays

CULLEN   William George   592   Pte   12 LHR   C Sqn att DSqn/6 LHR 8-15 (G) to AProvC depots Tidworth UK 9-16 rtn CSqn/12 LHR 6-18 to UK leave married Annie McArthur at Southampton UK 1-9-16

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 July 2011, 07:27:58 am
Frev

I came across this bloke and wasn't sure if I gave you him, but either way can you fill in the missing details?

HANNINGTON   Ernest Clifford   337   Pte   02 LHR   B Sqn B Troop WIA 19-6-15 foot near Quinns post (G) att WFF t/att 1 LH Bde HQ to ER 2/Cpl AProvC Cairo 7-17 to T/Sgt 5-19 RTA with Wife Maude married in Egypt? father Henry ex British Army in India worked in Britian during war brothers Harold 1 FAB KIA and Walter HAB

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 July 2011, 04:56:18 pm

Hi Steve

Yes, I already have Hannington, but Cullen is new, ta.
Afraid I can't give you anymore detail on Hannington other than that he did marry in Egypt, but don't know dates or wife's maiden name.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 July 2011, 09:05:56 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays

FOX   Claude Douglas   669   Cpl   05 LHR   RHQ AAMC (G) to 3 AGH 11-16 F&B to 3 AAuxH Dartford UK 9-17 to AIF deports UK 12-17 to NME UK engineering married Ethel Cox at Brighton UK 15-4-18 (British RAMC)

Cheers

S.B

Just when you find one others come along

LEIGH   Frederick John   670   Pte   05 LHR   RHQ AAMC to 4 FA 10-15 (G) to 12 FA 3-16 F&B to NME UK advertising married Elsie Nissen at Battersea UK 20-3-18 (CMF 16 months later WWII )

CROWE   Arthur Sidney   687   Pte   05 LHR   C Sqn to RHQ? (G) to Admin HQ London UK 11-15 to Cpl 6-17 to ER Cpl 8-17 brought to the notice of Secertary of war for services married Sabina Hockney at Pimlico London UK 15-7-16 (British The 2nd County of London Yeomanry Westminster Dragoons) later WWII 2/9 FR RAA


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 July 2011, 09:19:32 am
Frev,

Todays possible Nurse?

HARRISON   Eric   214   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn B Troop (G) to MG Sect? to L/Cpl 4-17 to Cpl A Sqn 10-17 MM reason not stated possibly during attack on Amman Sept 1918? to UK leave married Ethel Cliffe at Woolwich UK 23-12-18

Her address is shown as Brook War Hosp, so possible nurse or VAD?

Also on page 32 of his file list 332 of 4 MD

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 July 2011, 05:21:46 pm

Brilliant Steve - these are all new - including the list in Harrison's file - many thanks.

Haven't been able to establish what Ethel Cliffe was doing at the Brook War Hosp (no British Medal Card) - but considering how often the military nurses seem to have been transferred around - I'd say it was more likely she was a VAD. As I would think that Eric first met her there 1915/16 & she was still there when they married in 1918.

Following (for your interest) is the information I've gathered on Eric & Ethel Harrison so far.
Cheers, Frev


HARRISON, Eric – Cpl 214 (MM), 5th LH Regt, A Sqdn

Born 27/10/1893 Beethan, Kendal, West Moreland, England – son of Walter HARRISON & Lucy Florence HILLS.  [Walter 1869-1927; Lucy 1870-1918]
[resident Sth Brisbane 1914]

Siblings:  Marjorie 1895-1992; Sidney 1897-1947 – WW1, Dvr 3346, 2nd FAB, 1914-1918; Leslie 1901-1983

Occupation: Stockman

Enlisted 19/10/1914 Qld – embarked 21/12/1914 on the A34 Persic
Dysentery, Gallipoli – to England on Aquitania 25/11/15 – admitted Brook War Hospital, Woolwich 4/12/1915 – discharged 8/2/16
Military Medal 1918
UK Leave 27/11/18 – 11/2/19; (leave extended to await RTA on family ship)

Married Ethel Maud CLIFFE 23/12/1918 at St James Church, Kidbrook, Woolwich, London
Address on marriage – Brook War Hospital, Shooters Hill, Woolwich – Born Sept Qtr 1891 Llanfairpull, Anglesey, Wales – daughter of Edwin & Emily.

RTA together on the Bremen 4/6/1919 – disembarking NSW 27/7/1919
Discharged Qld 12/8/1919

Children:  James Cliffe b.5/8/1920 Cottesloe, WA – WW2 1941-46 – d.12/6/2009 Menora, WA, age 88 – cremated Karrakatta Cemetery

Occupation: Viticulture (from at least 1925 to 1954)

Resident Baskerville Estate, Millendon, Upper Swan, WA 1925, 1931, 1936, 1943, 1949, 1954
Railway Cres, Millendon, WA 1967

Ethel died 25/10/1973 Millendon, WA, age 82 – cremated Karrakatta Cemetery
Eric died 18/9/1983 Millendon, WA, age 89 – cremated Karrakatta Cemetery


Western Mail (Perth), Thur 4 Jan 1934:
A Remarkable Climax
(By Eric Harrison, 5th LH, Millendon)

It occurred at the close of the campaign in Palestine.  We of the Anzac Division had spent a gruelling summer in the Jordan Valley, and the advance over the mountains to the east was welcomed by all.  As the brigades filed up the narrow paths which led into the Land of Moab little opposition was encountered until we concentrated before Amman.  This historic town fell to our arms after an eventful day and proved to be our last big fight against a brave and resourceful foe.
The only Turkish force remaining in this sector was located at Tiza, some twenty miles south of Amman on the Hedjaz railway.  It consisted of 5,000 well-equipped troops of fine appearance recently transferred from Ma’an.
Two squadrons of the Fifth Light Horse left Amman to establish touch with this force, which was done in a few hours.  Here let me pay tribute to our great-hearted horses.  They had plodded for many weary months over loose sand and stony hills, alternately, through bitter cold and terrific heat, carrying a weight of 200lb and often loaded up with three days’ rations for horse and man and additional ammunition.  On approaching Tiza we were surprised to hear the sounds of battle, and in due course we discovered the Turks engaged with a large force of Arabs, who upon our arrival, desired to join with us in the attack.  However, while reconnoitring a trolley came out along the railway line under a white flag.  The Turkish officer carried a message indicating that his C.O. was prepared to surrender if we would guarantee the safety of his force from the Arabs surrounding his position.  As two squadrons could not be expected to provide protection to 5,000 Turks, some hours passed while telephone lines were repaired and messages sent to divisional headquarters for reinforcements.
Bedouins and Arabs were concentrating on all sides except the north, which we occupied.  The Arabs kept up a continuous fire, but a few general movements forward were held up by Turkish machine guns.  The situation was somewhat critical for us.  Any unwise act would have incensed the Arabs and turned them against us.  However, just before dusk General Chayter arrived with reinforcements, and in due course we mounted and charged the positions.
My feelings while galloping past enemy riflemen and machine guns are indescribable.  In their rear we dismounted and joined our late enemy in their front line against our so-called Allies.  Darkness crept over all.  Jacko received his food from his cookhouses, while we boiled our quartpots.  Afterwards we settled down for a night’s rest, but before doing so we sent Jacko out in front to do the listening posts!  Surely this situation was one of the most remarkable incidents of the Great War!
The Turks had plenty of food, but their efficiency was sadly reduced by sickness.  Rifle fire was continuous through the night.  Next day they formed up in their units and we escorted them safely to Amman through a sullen crowd of Arabs, baulked of their prey.
During those last ten days’ activities, the Anzac Division collected 10,000 prisoners, 57 guns, plus machine guns, material, and stores to match.  The incident described concluded a long strenuous struggle, and seemed to me to remove some of the bitterness of war from our minds.  It thus proved a fitting climax to a memorable campaign.


The West Australian, Wed 12 Apr 1922:
A VALLEY OF VINES
Along the Fertile Swan

……………………………………………………
……….the Baskerville Estate, where further subdivisions are being effected.  This old property extended originally from the river to the hills, and the balance of it has now been surveyed for closer settlement.  The Upper Swan branch of the Returned Soldiers’ Association recently purchased the commodious barn at the old homestead as a memorial hall, together with eight acres of land, ………

Western Mail (Perth), Thur 16 Jun 1927:
VITICULTURAL INDUSTRY
Position of Soldier-Settlers

………………………………………………………………………………
…….the committee had visited vineyards and interviewed settlers at Baskerville, Upper Swan and Millendon, and a serious state of affairs was disclosed.  On the Baskerville Estate alone, out of 15 blocks originally held by soldier-settlers, eight had been abandoned.  Of these eight blocks, two were now held by foreigners, and six were not being worked, and in consequence were rapidly deteriorating.  The estate, which was badly drained, consisted principally of very medium and poor soil, with a claypan or ironstone gravel subsoil.  …..
Despite the difficulties which they had encountered, however, all soldier-settlers visited by the committee were anxious to remain on their holdings.
…………………………………………………………….



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 July 2011, 08:14:15 am
Frev,

Wonderfull the amount you find on these people.

Todays another tricky one?

HYDE   Harold Walter   5   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn (G) to AIF HQ Egypt 8-15 to Sgt 11-15 to Admin HQ London 4-17 to AIF depots UK 4-17 married in UK disch 11-7-18

His File (first page) shows his change of NOK as Wife Mrs MR Hyde and her UK address in Surrey and dated 5-2-18.

No other mention in his file?

For your skills

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 August 2011, 02:24:44 pm

Ta Steve - what I've found on Hyde so far - cheers, Frev

HYDE, Harold Walter – Sgt 5, 5th LH Regt, A Sqdn (AIF HQ)

Born 14/11/1889 Camberwell, London, England (Attestation states near town of Gloucester), – son of Martin James HYDE & Louisa Sophia (Jeannette) WALLIS
Baptized 22/2/1903 St Mary, Newington

Siblings:  Annie b.c1882; Lilian b.c1884; Sidney William b.c1887 – died 23/2/1924 Qld
[1901 Census, Newington, London: Martin J., 46 Lockmaker, Louisa S., 44 – children: Annie J. 19; Lilian G. 17; Sidney W. 14; Harold W. 11 born Camberwell, London]

Arrived in Brisbane 29/6/1911 on board the Orsova (age 21), with his brother Sidney

Occupations: 1913 Farmer – (with brother Sidney at Nolan’s Pocket, Musgrave, Qld);
1914 Land Agent (Attestation)

NOK: brother Sidney of Bunyarra, Jones Hill, Gympie, Qld

Enlisted 15/9/1914 Gypmpie, Qld – embarked 20/12/1914 on board A34 Persic
Proc to join MEF Gallipoli 16/5/1915
To Egypt on Gascon – adm 1st AGH, Heliopolis 30/6/15 (Influenza)
TOS of AIF HQ Egypt 28/10/1915
Prom Sgt 1/11/15
Proc O/S to England per Euripides 10/5/16
Leave 26/2/17-3/4/17
Detached from Admin HQ London 12/4/17 & M/I to No.1 Com Dep, Perham Downs – Class B1a
Reclassified C1 30/4/17 – classified P.B1 9/8/17 – reclassified C3 13/12/17 - & again 1/2/18

Married Margot Rita Gertrude ROBERT Mar Qtr 1918 St Martin, London (probably Feb)
Resident: Wallington, Surrey, England (Feb 1918)
Rita Margot Gertrude Hyde died 29/9/1963 Qld – daughter of William Lovelock

RTA per A29 Suevic 21/4/1918 – for discharge (Mitral Regurgitation)
Discharged 11/7/1918 Qld

Occupations: Dairy farmer (1925); Car Salesman (1936, 1943, 1949); Salesman (1954)

Resident: Cooroy, Widgee, Qld 1925; Wickham St, Gympie (1936, 1943, 1949); 21 Clematis St, Gympie (1954)

Died – after 1964


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 August 2011, 08:52:43 am
Frev

Todays

CAMPBELL   John Bede   912   Pte   04 LHR   4R tos C Sqn 5-15 WIA 9-8-15 head by bomb working on Ryries Post (G) relist 24R tos 4 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 3-17 to 23Bn (912a) 8-17 to 7Bn (912b) 11-17 WIA 28-6-18 hand near Hazebrouck WIA 25-8-18 gas "W" near Chuiqnes F&B married Amy Warren in Croydon UK 20-3-18 (Boer War 3 NSWIB (2658) AKA James Bede Campbell

S,B

This man has no document in file?

BOWERS   Leslie Wentworth   229   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn WIA 11-8-15 L/hand at Leanes trench near Ryries Post (G) to 7Bn 3-17 F&B disch 30-4-18 MU married in UK (28Co ASC to LH CMF 2 years)
RTA 30-1-18

Change of NOK has

Mrs EM Bowers

Finchley London

date change 25-1-18

they must of married just before the boat left?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 August 2011, 08:12:30 am
Frev

Todays

CHAPMAN   Leslie James   235   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn WIA 13-8-15 R/thigh & shock shrapnel at Leanes Trench near Ryries Post (G) disch 24-7-16 relist A/Cpl 27R (3568) to 4 LH Dtls UK 6-17 to Gnr 107Bty/7 FAB 6-18 F&B married Dorothy Felton at St Lukes Jersey 11-10-17 (VMR CMF 3 years later WWII)

FRIZELL   Frederic George   509   Pte   6 LHR   C Sqn WIA 12-8-15 L/hand reported hit with Lt Lang & 3 others in trenches Southern Sect No 1 at Ryries Post to L/Cpl 11-15 (G) to ER/Cpl APayC AIF HQ UK 9-16 to A/Sgt 4-19 married Alice Brown at London UK 23-2-18 brother Malcolm Capt Dr AMC

S/B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 08 August 2011, 09:48:43 pm

Ta Steve - 4 more new ones  :)


This man has no document in file?

BOWERS   Leslie Wentworth   229   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn WIA 11-8-15 L/hand at Leanes trench near Ryries Post (G) to 7Bn 3-17 F&B disch 30-4-18 MU married in UK (28Co ASC to LH CMF 2 years)
RTA 30-1-18

Change of NOK has
Mrs EM Bowers
Finchley London

date change 25-1-18
they must of married just before the boat left?


Steve they actually married in 1917 - in Oct, Nov or Dec - only needing to add her details as NOK when he was ready to sail.

Some more detail:

BOWERS Leslie Wentworth

Born 1893 Sth Melbourne – son of Robert Blacklock BOWERS (d.1913) & Mary Ann Elizabet TONGE (d.1924), of Elsternwick

Occupation: Clerk

Married Elsie Margaret DUDMAN in the Sept-Dec Qtr 1917 at Weymouth, England
Elsie Margaret Dudman was born 18/3/1888 Hampstead, England – daughter of George Henderson DUDMAN & Mary HENDERSON

RTA on Euripides 30/1/18 – 21/3/18 (3rd MD) – trench fever
Discharged 30/4/18

Notifying the army of his new NOK 25/1/18, just before he sailed – she would have followed not long after – although he didn’t apply for a refund for her passage until Dec 1918

Child: Peter Geoffrey b.14/1/1919 Brighton – WW2

Resident 14 Were St, Brighton (clerk) 1919

In 1924, 33 yr old Elsie (really 36) with 5 yr old Peter returned to England for a visit, on the Jervis Bay – arriving Southampton 25/5/1924

Resident 4 Netherlee St, Malvern (sales) 1924, (clerk) 1931
40 Fitzgibbon Cres, Caulfield (manager) 1936

In 1937 Elsie is listed at Fitzgibbon Cres, Caulfield by herself
1942 Elsie is still at Fitzgibbon Cres, Caulfield – with son Peter Geoffrey (Clerk) – but no Leslie

Leslie, 64 Hope St, Sth Yarra (clerk) – by himself, 1943

Elsie died 6/3/1948 at Warburton – cremated 8/3/1948 Springvale (Pittosporum Rose Garden)

Leslie living 7 Edgewater Ave, Green Point, Gosford, NSW in 1957 – previously living Menzies Creek, Vic

[Leslie possibly remarried - Lila]

Died August 1965 Dandenong, Vic – cremated 13/8/1965 Springvale & ashes collected


The Argus, Mon 8 Mar 1948:
DEATHS
BOWERS
(nee Dudman) – On March 6, at Warburton.  Elsie, loved wife of Leslie, loved mother of Pete, mother-in-law of Mary, sister-in-law of Eva (Mrs Roberts), loved aunt of Norm and Gordon.  Sweet rest.

BOWERS (nee Dudman) – On March 6, at Warburton.  Elsie late of 40 FitzGibbon cres., Caulfield, loved mother of Pete, dearly loved sister of Jean (Mrs Rumbold), Stanley, and Maud (England), Leonard (USA), loving aunt of Jack, Joan, Ian (South Africa), Henderson (USA), loving cousin of Lottie (Mrs Chappell), Fred, Winnie (Mrs Eriksen), and Harry, dearly loved friend of Florence (Mrs Wright). – Mother, father, and daughter reunited.


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 August 2011, 08:34:27 am
Frev,

I surpose you may have this man;

SING   William Edward   355   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn WIA 25-8-15 minor at Chathams Post DCM MID for his actions as a sniper killing 119 Turks at Anzac between May to Sept 1915 recom Croix de Guerre (F) for his actions as a sniper in Sept 1915 mentioned in Army Corps Orders 10-15 (G) to CCo/31Bn (355a) 1-17 WIA 14-3-17 L/leg near Bapaume recom MM awarded Croix de Guerre (B) for his actions at Polygon Wood 26/28-9-17 mentioned by Corps Commander for his work during Passendaele WIA 18-2-18 back near Messines F&B married Elizabeth Stewart in Edinburgh Scotland 29-6-17 (famous Gallipoli sniper) (Chinese Australian)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 August 2011, 06:11:46 pm
Today

ASHWOOD   Perival George   282   Pte   05 LHR   B Sqn WIA 26-8-15 head bomb reported one of 130 men sent to Lone Pine (G) to AProvC London UK 1-17 FGCM 2-1-18 AWoL 5-5-17 to 5-11-17 sentenced 18 months reduced to 60 days to 9Bn 7-18 WIA 25-8-18 face/nose & R/leg shell near Chuiqnes F&B married Annie Issac at Clapham UK 25-2-17

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 August 2011, 07:47:05 am
Today

HAYWARD   Horace Railton   421   Pte   9 LHR   C Sqn bugler WIA 27-8-15 hand shot in attack on Hill 60 (G) to AIF HQ London 5-16 awarded the Royal Humane Society's Bronze Medal for saving a life from drowning in London 22-8-16 to Sgt 1-17 to 65Bn Windmill Hill UK 6-17 revert L/Cpl 7-17 rtn Cpl Admin AIF HQ London 5-18 to L/Sgt 6-18 married in UK

Change of address shown a wife Mrs LJ Hayward from Beckenham Kent UK

No other details on her?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 August 2011, 11:08:49 am
Frev,

I surpose you may have this man;

SING   William Edward   355   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn WIA 25-8-15 minor at Chathams Post DCM MID for his actions as a sniper killing 119 Turks at Anzac between May to Sept 1915 recom Croix de Guerre (F) for his actions as a sniper in Sept 1915 mentioned in Army Corps Orders 10-15 (G) to CCo/31Bn (355a) 1-17 WIA 14-3-17 L/leg near Bapaume recom MM awarded Croix de Guerre (B) for his actions at Polygon Wood 26/28-9-17 mentioned by Corps Commander for his work during Passendaele WIA 18-2-18 back near Messines F&B married Elizabeth Stewart in Edinburgh Scotland 29-6-17 (famous Gallipoli sniper) (Chinese Australian)

S.B

Steve - amazing as it may seem - I didn't yet have Billy in the database!
My copy of "Gallipoli Sniper" is still sitting amongst my huge pile of as yet unread books - if only I had more time in the day  :(
I'll add him now - and read more about him...........eventually!
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 August 2011, 11:17:41 am
HAYWARD   Horace Railton   421   Pte   9 LHR   C Sqn bugler WIA 27-8-15 hand shot in attack on Hill 60 (G) to AIF HQ London 5-16 awarded the Royal Humane Society's Bronze Medal for saving a life from drowning in London 22-8-16 to Sgt 1-17 to 65Bn Windmill Hill UK 6-17 revert L/Cpl 7-17 rtn Cpl Admin AIF HQ London 5-18 to L/Sgt 6-18 married in UK

Change of address shown a wife Mrs LJ Hayward from Beckenham Kent UK
No other details on her?


ASHWOOD is new ta.

HAYWARD I do already have.
His extra details for your interest - cheers, Frev

HAYWARD, Horace Railton – Tpr 421, 9th LH, C Sqdn

Born 1895 Edmonton, London – son of Ernest George HAYWARD (Compositor, d.1942) & Emma Elizabeth OSBORNE (d.1958) – living Edmonton, England 1901; Surrey Hills, Vic 1914, 1924, 1931, 1942

Siblings: Eva Blanche b.c1889 – marr DRUCE – d.1927 Vic; Laurence E.O. b.c1893 (BEF); Victor (dec by 1942); Walter Howard (2nd AIF) – d.1975 Vic

Occupations: Carpenter 1914, 1924; Estate Agent 1931, 1936, 1942, 1949; Hotel Licensee 1954

WW1:
Enlisted 25/9/1914
Embarked 11/2/1915 on the A10 Karroo
Proceeded to join MEF Gallipoli 16/5/1915
GSW hand Gallipoli 2/9/1915 – transferred to England on Acquatania – admitted King George Hospital, Stamford, London 26/9/1915

Awarded Royal Humane Society’s Bronze Medal & Cert for attempting to save a life from drowning in London 22/8/1916: “On the 22nd August 1916, a boy fell into the Thames from the steps at the end of Westminster Bridge and was carried out some 20 yards. Hayward swam out but failed to find him and was himself picked up by a boat.” [Annual Report 1916]

Married Laura Joyce WINSER in the Sept Qtr 1916 at Bromley, Kent, England
Born c1897 – daughter of Frederic & Joyce – of Beckenham, England – d.1983 Sandford, Vic, age 86 (cremated Springvale)

RTA together on the Osterley 11/1/1919 – 24/2/1919 (Melb) (he travelling as a medical case)
[Applied for refund of wife’s passage Feb 1919]
Discharged 25/4/1919

Children:
1. Lorrie J.E. Hayward b. Jun Qtr 1917 Lambeth – d. Jun Qtr 1918 Bromley (age 1)
2. Margaret Joyce b.12/5/1920 Surrey Hills – marr Walter PASK 1939
3. Joan Elizabeth b.18/1/1925 Surrey Hills – WW2, AWAS 1943-1946 (NOK Laura) – marr R. SIMPSON

Resident “Jellamatong”, Junction Rd, Surrey Hills 1919; “Beckenham”, 66 Boundary Rd, Surrey Hills 1920, 1924; 285 Mont Albert Rd, Surrey Hills 1931, 1936

Divorced
Married Joyce Mabelle TURNER in 1937

Resident 31 Crotonhurst Ave, Caulfield 1942 (moved 1949); Victoria Hotel, Elmore (1954)

Proprietors of the Continental Hotel, Russell St, Melbourne 1951 – when they applied to take over the license of the Victoria Hotel, Elmore

Died 3/8/1954 at the Elmore Hospital, Vic, age 59 – buried Elmore Cemetery


The Times, Tue 28th Aug, 1916
ANZAC’S ATTEMPT TO RESCUE A DROWNING BOY
An inquest was held a Lambeth yesterday on the body of a boy, aged seven, son of Fritz Bennesch, a German waiter interned in the Isle of Man.
Private Horace Railton Hayward, of the Australian Imperial Forces, who stated that he was wounded at Gallipoli, said he was returning from Edmonton Hospital on top of a motor-omnibus when he saw the boy struggling in the Thames just by St.Thomas’s Hospital steps.  He jumped off, ran to the Embankment, threw off his coat, and dived in. The boy meanwhile had sunk and he went down after him, but there was a strong tide and undercurrent and he had great difficulty in coming up to the surface himself. Eventually he swam to the middle of the river, where he was picked up by a boat.
The jury returned a verdict of “Accidental death” and added a rider praising Hayward’s gallantry and requesting the Coroner to bring it to the notice of the Royal Humane Society.

The Argus, Thur 13 May 1920:
BIRTHS
HAYWARD (nee Laura Winser, Beckenham, England) – On the 12th May, at “Beckenham”, Boundary road, Surrey Hills, the wife of Horace R. Hayward – a daughter (Margaret Joyce).

The Argus, Sat 24 Jan 1925:
BIRTHS
HAYWARD (nee Laura Winser) – On the 18th January, at Beckenham, Boundary road, Surrey Hills, to Mr and Mrs Horace Hayward – a daughter (Joan Elizabeth).

The Argus, Wed 4 Aug 1954:
DEATHS
HAYWARD, Horace Railton – On August 3, at hospital, Elmore, beloved husband of Joyce, of the Victoria Hotel, Elmore, loving father of Margaret (Mrs W Pask) and Joan (Mrs R. Simpson), late of Melbourne, aged 59 years.

FUNERALS
HAYWARD – The Funeral of the late Mr HORACE RAILTON HAYWARD, of the Victoria Hotel, Elmore, late 1st AIF, 9th Light Horse Corps, will leave the Church of England, Elmore, THIS DAY (Wednesday, August 4), after a service at 2pm, for the Elmore Cemetery.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 August 2011, 09:26:06 am
Frev,

Today

COLE   Richard John Henry   440   Pte   05 LHR   C Sqn (G) to 31Bn 12-16 WIA 31-3-17 hearing shell near Beametz F&B disch 12-9-18 MU deafness married Violet Coles at Warwick UK 6-3-18   N/R   

Farmer   23   Brisbane Qld   NOK Coryton Mills Lewdown Devonshire UK

Enlist 4-11-14   RTA 7-6-18   

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Renshaw on 29 August 2011, 09:40:50 pm
Frev,
          Came across this one while searching today. Not sure if you would have him as the file is a little vague.

       William Francis Smith number 2202 Army Ord Corps. Changed his NOK to wife giving an address in London in 1918.
        No name for her just an initial that I can find.

                                     Regards,

                           Colin Renshaw

                           


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 31 August 2011, 01:22:19 pm

Thanks Steve & Colin - these are both new.
It could be a while before I trace the lady William Smith married - as no doubt there will be hundreds with this name that married in the time-frame  :-\
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 September 2011, 11:31:02 am
Frev,

Another with little details?

GARDE   John Henry Fraser   4083   Pte   2 ASH   6R Tos 9-15 (G) to AIF depots at Weymouth UK 9-16 to Cpl 11-17 to Sgt 2-18 married Kathleen in UK 1-3-18 brother Godfrey 4 FAB

His change of NOK form gives this detail but no other forms?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 September 2011, 08:45:33 am
Frev,

Today

FRANCIS   Charles   2149   Pte   5Bn   6R tos MG Sect 8-15 WIA 4-9-15 face/eye bomb at Lone Pine (G) to 2 MG Co 3-16 to Dvr 1 MG Bn 4-18 WIA 14-6-18 R/shoulder accident near Hazebrouck to L/Cpl 12-18 F&B married Edith Sheldrick at West Ham UK 24-2-19 (shown as 10 LH VMR CSqn/13 LH CMF 2 years)


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 05 September 2011, 10:53:30 pm
Frev,

Another with little details?

GARDE   John Henry Fraser   4083   Pte   2 ASH   6R Tos 9-15 (G) to AIF depots at Weymouth UK 9-16 to Cpl 11-17 to Sgt 2-18 married Kathleen in UK 1-3-18 brother Godfrey 4 FAB

His change of NOK form gives this detail but no other forms?

S.B

Ta Steve - GARDE & FRANCIS are both new.

A little extra detail on GARDE

GARDE, John Henry Frazer - born 13/12/1889 Maryborough, Vic - son of Dr Godfrey Ernest GARDE & Phillis Edith Cowan FRAZER.

Brother of Godrey David Cecil GARDE, Gnr 10412, 4th FAB

Married Kathleen Winifred TALBOTT 1/12/1917 Weymouth, Dorset, England
Demobbed in England - had 3 children

Died 15/9/1961 Bristol, England


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 September 2011, 08:45:06 am
Frev,

Todays

MENGERSEN   Charles Herman   554   Pte   11 LHR   C Sqn att DSqn/9 LHR 8-15 WIA 14-9-15 hand reported 1 killed and three wounded when shelled at Rhododendron Spur (G) to 50Bn 1-17 MM - for his actions as a runner at Noreuil 2-4-17 F&B to AMTS Chelsea UK 2-19 married Ethel Smith at Chelsea UK 19-7-19 AKA Charles Herman Mengersen brothers Herman Lt 25Bn KIA, Irwin DCM 32Bn and Norman 27Bn

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 September 2011, 02:26:21 pm
Frev,

Today

CLAYTON   John Vincent   366   Pte   04 LHR   RHQ (G) to Cpl D Sqn 3-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to SQMS 9-16 to XXII Corps MR 6-18 F&B to AIF HQ London 1-19 married Catherine Pack at West Ham UK 4-1-19 (British TA 3 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 September 2011, 04:15:10 pm

Ta Steve - already have Mengersen (from the Port Napier list) - but haven't done any further research on him yet.
Clayton is new thanks.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 September 2011, 07:07:23 am
Frev,

Todays

AYRES   Harry George   34   Cpl   04 LHR   MG sect to Sgt 5-15 WIA 17-9-15 L/leg at Leanes Trench MM - for his actions on Anzac (G) to D Sqn 5-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to SSM 9-16 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 DCM - for his actions at Bligny 27-7-18 F&B married Jane Hunsey at Brentford UK 28-7-16 (British 9th (Queen's) Lancers 12 years)

The date of the marrage worried as I couldn't read it right - it could be 10, 16 or 18? concidering the change of allotment show 1-12-17?

A form also give they have three children when they RTA.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 September 2011, 02:15:11 pm

Hi Steve - the marriage for Ayres is in fact an old one - the correct date was 1910.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 September 2011, 09:06:49 am
Frev, Thanks mate

Todays

McGENNISKEN   Charles Leslie   346   Pte   13 LHR   B Sqn WIA 20-10-15 hand shrapnel (SIW) reported one of two who shot himself by accident (G) to 7Bn 9-16 to L/Cpl 10-17 to 1 MG Bn 12-18 F&B married a waitress from Tidworth Barracks Florence Simpson at Wilton UK 26-7-18 (BSqn CMF 3 weeks) died 3-1-37

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 September 2011, 07:52:01 am
Todays

PATERSON   Thomas John   739   Pte   04 LHR   2R tos B Sqn 7-15 WIA 8-10-15 thigh bruised at Leanes trench (G) to BSqn/2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att AA Sect 6-17 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 WIA 20-3-18 gas outside Ypres to 13 LHR 12-18 att AVH 12-18 F&B married Mary McCarville at Glasgow Scotalnd 31-8-18


No details on this one?

VINING   Percy John   357   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn WIA 8-10-15 L/ankle & wrist shrapnel at Leanes trench (G) to D Sqn 5-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to Cpl 9-16 to Sgt 12-16 att AA sect 4-17 rtn 5-17 att AA sect 12-17 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B to NME UK motor engineering married in UK (CMF later WWII )

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 September 2011, 06:32:52 am
Frev,

Today

SMITH   Francis   981   Bugler   6 LHR   5R tos B Sqn 10-15 WIA 6-10-15 L/hand bomb (SIW) in Southern Sect No 1 trench at Ryries Post amputated fingers (G) to Dvr MT AASC AMTS Chelsea UK 9-16 married Winifred Felton at Paddington UK 9-12-16 (39 IR to AGA CMF 4 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 27 September 2011, 01:45:39 pm

Big thanks as usual Steve  :) - all four of these men are new to the database.

A little extra info on VINING for you:

VINING, Percy John – 357, 4th LH – 13th LH
Born 28/2/1894 Alexandra (reg. Clifton Hill ?, Melbourne) – son of Richard Charles VINING & Elizabeth ROBERTS - who married in 1891
(Originally of Alexandra & Yea, before moving to Richmond)

Siblings: [born Alexandra] Clara May b.1893; Richard Charles b.1896; Margaret Ellen b.1898-d.1900 (2); William Roy b.&d.1900; Frederick Arthur b.1903 Fitzroy Nth

Occupations: Carrier (1914), Woodworker (1921), Timber worker (1931), Driver (1936 etc)
A member of the 15th LH, when he enlisted in the AIF 20/8/1914

Newspaper articles:
[He was one of the pall bearers for another Yea boy, Tpr W McLeish (Gunnie) in 1915 – see various letters to McLeish’s parents published in Yea Chronicle 20/5/1915]
[See letter from him re his wounding – Yea Chronicle 23/12/1915]
[See also letters from him & a mate to his parents re his wounding in 1915 – 27/1/1916]
[See story re having his pocket picked, Argus 18/6/1921]

Married Hilda Caroline M. SMITH Mar Qtr 1918 Hammersmith, London
Hilda (daughter of Edward S Smith) d.Oct 1974 Oakleigh, age 80 – cremated Springvale 29/10/1974 & ashes collected

RTA with wife & child on the Lucie Woermann 5/12/19-20/1/20

Paid a flying visit to Yea (with his English wife) late Jan 1920 for a public welcome home

Children:
John York b.9/3/1919 Kingston-on-Thames, London (reg. Poplar, London) (WW2: - living Box Hill, enlisted Greenough, WA – NOK Grace) – d.15/8/1998, age 79 & cremated Springvale (ashes collected)
Marguerite Yvonne b.18/5/1924 Hawthorn (WW2: Army – NOK, Hilda)

Living Hawthorn 1921; Sandringham 1931, 1936, 1940, 1967
WW2: 1940-1946

Died Dec 1975 Emerald, age 81
Cremated Springvale 16/12/1975 & ashes collected


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 September 2011, 04:30:28 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate always interesting.

Todays

CROOK   Charles Ernest   609   Pte   04 LHR   1R tos C Sqn 7-15 (G) to DSqn/2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to L/Cpl XXII Corps MR 1-18 F&B married Edith Barnes at Woolwich UK 29-1-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 October 2011, 07:35:31 am
Frev

Todays

CLAPHAM   John Andrew   636   Pte   04 LHR   1R Tos 2-15 remain Egypt to 1 sect/2 DAC 3-16 to Gnr BHQ/4 FAB 4-17 F&B married Rosina Rickman at Foway Cornwall UK 28-10-16 (AFA to CSqn CMF later WWII 17 Garr Bn )

and this one but no date of marrage?

BOYD   Evelyn Stewart   708   Pte   04 LHR   2R Tos 3-15 tos C Sqn 8-15 (G) to APostC 3-16 to to ABPO 5-16 F&B to AIF BPO London UK 1-17 to MT Dvr AMTS Chelsea UK 8-17 married Ethel Singleton in London UK divorce due to desertion 1934 disch MU injury to testicles AKA Evelyn Batsford Boyd or Evelyn Stuart Boyd

Thats three men I notice married girls while attach to the AMTS at Chelsea.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 October 2011, 07:33:54 am
Frev,

Todays

HANSCOMBE   Herbert Ernest   722   Pte   04 LHR   2R Tos 3-15 tos B Sqn 7-15 (G) to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att CRE Armentieres 9-16 rtn 12-16 T/att NZ Div 4-17 att AA Sect 10-17 att 2 Div Salvage Co 11-17 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 att 9th Corps 4-18 att 56 Div 9-18 att 49 Div 10-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B married Christina Mackenzie at Inverness Scotland 6-1-19

S.B

COPPIN   George   797   Pte   04 LHR   3R Tos C Sqn 4-15 (G) to APostC 12-15 to APO 517 Etaples 7-16 att APO 2 Anzac Corps HQ 6-17 to Gnr 3Bty/1 FAB 2-18 F&B married Mary Owen at St Pancras UK 9-10-18


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 October 2011, 08:30:04 pm

Ta Steve - all new except for COPPIN.
Evelyn BOYD & Ethel SINGLETON married the 21/3/1917.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 October 2011, 08:35:51 am
Frev,

Todays

BIGNELL   Alfred Charles   781   Pte   04 LHR   3R Tos A Sqn 4-15 (G) to 4 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 7-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 1-17 T/att NZ Div 4-17 to 39Bn 10-17 WIA 5-5-18 R/foot SIW accident shot himself with rifle around Buire near Ribemont F&B to AASC depot UK 3-19 to 5 Div Trn 7-19 married Ethel Arnold at Wandsworth London UK 26-7-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 October 2011, 11:49:42 am
Frev,

Today

HALLAM   Arthur   523   Pte   9 LHR   A Sqn to L/Cpl 9-15 (G) to Sgt AIF depots UK 10-16 married Florence Pond at Osmington UK 24-8-16

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 October 2011, 10:46:46 pm

Thanks again Steve - BIGNELL & HALLAM are both new.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 October 2011, 08:05:23 am
Frev,

Todays

WILLIAMS   Robert Coleman   112   Pte   8 LHR   A Sqn remain Egypt disch 24-11-15 MU rheum relist AAMC 40Bn (991) tos medic BHQ 10-16 to 10 FA 12-16 to AIF depots Hurdscott UK 9-17 rtn 10 FA 12-17 F&B to NME UK wool classing married Alice Taylor at Selkirk Scotland 31-7-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 November 2011, 06:47:28 am
Frev

Todays

WILSON   James   2248   Pte   Baker age 22 Sth Brisbane Qld and Rushden Northamptonshire UK Enl 27-9-15 Emb 15R/5 LHR. 2 LHTR 14-4-16 to (2 double sqn) 6-7-16 to 4 Cml Regt 2-11-16 to 4Bn 17Co 7-2-17 to hosp 17-11-17 (gastro) to Res Co 20-12-17 to 2 ASH 24-1-18 to 14 AGH (2248a) 21-2-18 to NME UK 1-5-19 married Edith Pack at Wellingtonborough UK 20-9-19 RTA 27-3-20 "Zealandic"


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 November 2011, 12:36:17 pm
Frev.

Todays, I think I gave you before?

GOLDSMITH   Thomas Arthur   4127   Pte   20Bn   10R to 4Co/1Bn ICC 5-16 to batman to Lt Deutchman 13Co/3Bn 11-17 to 3Co/1Bn 1-18 to 14 LHR 9-18 to NME UK farming married Emily Norton at Peel Ise of Mann UK 26-10-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 November 2011, 04:44:25 pm

Thanks Steve - no you hadn't given me Goldsmith before - all 3 are new - thanks again.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 November 2011, 02:25:05 pm
Frev,

Nice to hear

Todays

GARLAND   Arthur   607   Pte   13 LHR   RHQ to C Sqn 9-15 (G) to 5 Div Cav 3-16 to CSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B to ER 2/Cpl AIF HQ London UK 2-19 married Clara McElney at Belfast Ireland 7-5-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 November 2011, 07:11:40 am
Frev,

Sorry not getting much time lately.

Todays

His penison card shows a wife but no other details about a marriage?

ROMNEY   Oke Oakesson   395   Pte   11 LHR   A Sqn att DSqn/02 LHR 8-15 WIA 13-12-15 head & R/arm shell at Old No 3 Post (G) to AProvC Cairo 4-16 to MMP 8-16 to 25Bn 9-16 to 49Bn 1-17 WIA 7-6-17 L/thigh hit near the Oosttaverne line at Messines F&B married Lilian in UK disch in UK 7-11-17 MU amputation L/leg AKA Oake Oakesson


S.B

PS

Frev,

list 418 1 MD RTA HT "Wahehe"

in this mans file page 35

HULL   Bertram Arthur Francis   86   Cpl   11 LHR


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 November 2011, 01:56:24 pm

Hi Steve
Hope the time you're "not" spending on your research is at least being enjoyed.

Unfortunately I already had a copy of the Wahehe list - but both Garland & Romney are new - thank you.

Oake Oakesson ROMNEY married Lilian Flora KENDALL on the 13/10/1917 in the Parish Church at Hampton Wick, Middlesex, England.

They applied for assisted passage to return to Australia 1952/53 and were living in Mandurah, WA in 1958.
Lilian died there 7/6/1960, and by 1963 Oake had moved into the War Veterans Home at Mt Lawley, WA. He died 17/11/1967 at Bicton, WA, & following cremation, his ashes were scattered to the winds at Fremantle Cemetery.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 November 2011, 11:42:44 am
Frev,

Todays

Agian no marrage card only change of NOK so her name and other details are short?

STEVENSON   William   342   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn to L/Cpl 11-15 to Cpl 12-15 (G) to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to CRE Armitieres 9-16 WIA 18-7-17 gas near Warneton to Sgt 8-17 to XXII Corps MR 2-18 att IX Corps 4-18 WIA 17-4-18 R/shoulder shrapnel at Mont Kemmel F&B to 13 LH Dtls UK 12-18 WIA 30-3-19 fractured L/leg accident married in Bishops Auckland UK 25-4-18 (CMF) brothers Joseph 21Bn KIA, James 4 LHR and John 24Bn


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 November 2011, 09:33:23 pm

Ta Steve - William Stevenson is new.
He married Mabel OLIVER in the Mar Qtr of 1918 at Auckland, England.

Haven't had time to look into this properly yet - but there is a portrait of William on Ancestry - and it's also stated that: he was one of 5 brothers who served - James & William embarked with the 4th LH – Joseph, Ralph & John left later – all served Gallipoli....

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 November 2011, 08:01:08 am
Frev,

Thanks mate here's anoher,

PATON   John   808   Pte   04 LHR   3R tos A Sqn 4-15 (G) to 4 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 7-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 1-17 att NZ Div 4-17 att APM 2 Anzac Cops HQ 5-17 WIA 18-7-17 gas at Warneton near Messines to 58Bn 10-17 deserted of leave in UK 17-2-18 recaptured 31-3-19 FGCM 30-4-19 AWoL sentenced 18 months HL to Lewes Detn Brks 5-19 F&B married Ena Tibbenden at Lewes Sussex UK 25-7-19

What is interesting is his marrage while in prison for AWol/desertion

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 November 2011, 08:36:21 am
Todays

OGDEN   James Percy   2646   Dvr   4 LHFA   A Sect remain Egypt to 15 FA 3-16 to Dvr 15 FCE 3-16 F&B to 16 FCE Parkhouse UK 4-17 to AIF Depots Bulford UK 7-17 married Elsie Bullen at Brighton UK 8-11-17 disch 19-8-18 MU DAH

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 30 November 2011, 12:29:37 pm

Thank you Steve - 2 more new ones.
What's even more interesting about Paton's marriage - is that I actually have another man in the database that also married at Lewes while he was in detention for desertion........hmm....may have to look into this further... ;)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 December 2011, 07:57:28 am
Frev,

Todays

NOONAN   William Roy   371   Pte   13 LHR   A Sqn to Dvr 8-15 (G) to 2 Div Cav 3-16 to 1 Anzac LHR 5-16 F&B married Mary Jefferies at Cork Ireland 27-8-19 later WWII


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 December 2011, 11:44:20 am
Frev,

Todays

PATSTON   Ernest Richard   406   Pte   12 LHR   B Sqn att DSqn/7 LHR 8-15 (G) to 56Bn 12-16 att band 14 Bde HQ 1-17 att band 14 Bde HQ 7-18 F&B married Annie Scott in Stanlehurst UK 10-11-16 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 December 2011, 07:27:46 am
Frev

Todays

TURNER   William Arthur   771   Pte   03 LHR   3R tos A Sqn 4-15 (G) att GMP Anzac BD Weymouth UK 11-15 to 27Bn 9-16 to L/Cpl 32Bn 10-16 to Cpl 1-17 to L/Sgt 4-17 to Sgt 6-17 F&B married Josephine at Wandstead Park Essex UK 1-12-17 (Boer War Thorneycroft's MI (4728)

Sorry no marrage form only a change of NOK?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 December 2011, 12:54:39 pm

Many thanks as usual Steve - of these 3 - Patston & Turner are new.
(sadly no luck on finding more specific details on the Turner marriage yet)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 December 2011, 06:41:12 am
Frev,

Todays

BLOMELEY   Patrick George   124   Pte   13 LHR   C Sqn (G) to 5 Div Cav 3-16 to CSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to L/Cpl 3-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 att 10th Corps 3-18 MM - for his actions on patrol T/att 57Bn 15 Bde during which three men were wounded at Villers Bretonneux 25-4-18 WIA 4-7-18 L/buttock shot at Villers Bretonneux F&B married Tram car conductor Margaret Leddell at Renfrew Scotland 8-4-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 December 2011, 04:49:27 pm

Thanks Steve - Patrick & Margaret are new to the database - be interesting to know how often he rode that tram, before she agreed to marry him!  ;)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 December 2011, 10:28:33 am
Frev,

Todays is shown as marrying a Nursing sister but no details?

MacMICKING   Allan William   361   Pte   13 LHR   C Sqn (G) to 5 Div Cav 3-16 to CSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 58Bn 10-17 F&B married Nurse in UK

His change of NOK was for his brother but no details on the wife other then a request for replacment medal ribbons which mentions she was a nurse?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 December 2011, 04:16:18 pm

Ta Steve

Allan MacMICKING married Euphemia Mary JOLLIFFE in the Mar Qtr of 1919 at Liskeard, Cornwall, England - most likely while he was AWL between 27/2/19 & 22/3/19.
Euphemia, who was born in Cornwall, was a nursing sister with the QAIMNSR.

On their return to Australia, they had 3 children; and Alan died in 1965 in Parramatta, NSW, Euphemia joining him the following year.

Alan's brothers that also served were:
Quintus Germain (Jack), Pte 721 6th LH – he died 25/6/1921 at Keswick Hospital from wounds received on active service
Robert Torrance Pte 1414,LTMB
Thomas Walter Pte 3030, 6th LH
Edgar Andrew, Dvr 6829, 4th FAB

They were all sons of Gilbert Torrance MacMICKING & Emmaline Elizabeth NICHOLSON

They can be found under either MacMICKING or McMICKING.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 December 2011, 06:35:43 am
Frev

Sorry about this bloke but details on marrage are short?

SKAMP   Harold Bowden   40   L/Sgt   13 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Sgt APayC AIF depots Hurdcott UK 8-16 to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 5-17 to 1 Anzac LHR 8-17 prom 2/Lt 10-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 att Aust Corps HQ 11-18 F&B married in UK later WWII

a number of documents mention he married in UK and RTA with wife but other then a mention of Mrs W Skamp from Kennsington UK there is not much more?

Here's another

SMART   William   432   Pte   13 LHR   RHQ to A Sqn? remain Egypt to 5 Div Cav 5-16 o 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att APM 2 Anzac Corps HQ 8-16 rtn 5-17 WIA 10-6-17 shell shock at Messines FGCM 21-12-17 AWol sentenced 30 days detention to Lewes Det Bks 1-18 FGCM 24-4-18 AWol sentenced 60 days detention to Lewes Det Bks 4-18 to XXII Corps MR NTOS to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B to AIF depots Sutton Veny UK 1-19 married Dorothy Haines East Finchley UK 28-2-18 Ex BSqn/8 LHR (194) disch 24-2-15 MU relist  related WJ Smart

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 December 2011, 02:34:53 pm

Ta Steve - 2 more newies which I'll have a look at more closely after Christmas.

Meanwhile, I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the 'couples' you've shared with me over the last year - the database would be nowhere near as large without your help.
Here's hoping you have a happy & safe Christmas.
Catch you in the New Year.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 December 2011, 09:20:15 am
Frev,

Thanks mate a Merry Xmas to you and yours

Todays

COPAL   Arthur John   968   Pte   03 LHR   5R tos A Sqn 9-15 WIA 19-10-15 arm/elbow injury bomb one of two wounded near Tolmans Post at Destroyer Hill (G) to AIF depots Weymouth UK 8-16 rtn 3 LHR 5-18 to UK leave married Anny Johnson at Newport UK 24-4-16   

Sailor   23   Hobart Tas and Newport Monmouth UK

Enlisted 20-11-14   disch UK 12-8-19 RTA 26-8-21   

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 December 2011, 07:51:43 pm
Frev.

This one though me for a while as he RTA with wife and child from the UK, but I found he married just before embarking?

For interest

FARR   Walter Percy A.      Capt/SO   1 LH Bde HQ   HQ Supply Officer prom T/Maj DAA&QMG 2 Div HQ 10-15 prom T/Bde/Maj 3 LH Bde HQ 11-15 MID - for his work on Anzac (G) prom Maj 9 LHR NTOS 2-16 to DAA&QMG Anzac MD HQ 3-16 MID & Serbian Cross of Kara George 3rd class - for his work during Romani prom LtCol AA&QMG DMC HQ 8-17 DSO 2xMID - for his work during operations Oct to Dec 1917 disch to Staff Collage Camberley UK 3-19 married Ionia Bowden at Royal Park 23-9-14 (Pte 5 IR 20-7-04 to 2/Lt 6 IR 8-3-09 to A&I staff 1-2-11 to Lt A/Bde/Maj BHQ 1-7-13 CMF to PMF to LtCol 2 Cav Div 1923 later WWII LtCol GSO 1st Grade Eastern Comd buried Eastern Suburbs Crematorium NSW

see page 61 of his file for the marrage document.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 January 2012, 09:41:09 am
Frev,

For interest again,

This bloke shows married, but he has a marrage form in his file and RTA with wife?

She may have traveled to the UK to stay with husband and RTA on a family ship?

HARDY   Frederick Ferdinando    7   S/Sgt   APayC   to A/Wo2 2-16 to APayC London UK 5-16 to AAOC depot Codford UK 8-16 to Wo2 9-16 to ER Wo1 9-17 to NME UK RTA with wife married Jennie Saggers at Hobart 22-1-12 (British Imperial Yeomanry later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 January 2012, 07:18:55 am
Frev

Todays

WILLIAMS   Norman Rees    46   Sgt   APayC   2R tos AIF HQ Egypt 5-15 to Wo1 1-16 to APayC London UK 5-16 to AIF deports London UK 6-17 MID - reason not stated prom 2/Lt 8-16 peom Maj 8-18 prom T/LtCol auditor Audit Sect 6-19 Brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services & recom MID awarded OBE - for valuble home services in UK prom Hon LtCol 2-21 married Francis Morgan at Cardigan Wales 19-8-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 January 2012, 04:57:56 pm
Frev,

Sorry another with no marrige document?

POWELL   Harry   22   Pte   4 LH Bde HQ   HQ batman to Col Spencer-Browne to 2 Div HQ 9-15 to 6 Bde HQ 9-15 (G) to AIF depots Weymouth UK 8-16 disch 21-2-18 MU married Annie at Weymouth UK

The only name is shown as Annie Powell *her married name, with no place or date of marrage but possibly between 1916 to 1917?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 January 2012, 09:14:57 am
Frev,

Todays

GIBBON   Wilfred Harold   10   Pte / MP   4 LH Bde HQ   HQ MP AProvC to (14Co AASC) 4 LH Bde Trn 8-15 remain Egypt relist 20Co ASC (9015) 9-15 to 16Co AASC 2 Div Trn 12-15 to 15Co AASC 7-16 F&B married Eva Robinson at Warmister UK 21-8-18 (British The King's (Liverpool Regt) 2 years) later WWII brother Clarence RN "HMS Active"

and

LUND   Roger   12   Pte   4 LH Bde HQ   HQ batman to Maj Baker to HQ 2 Div (57) 8-15 to batman to Maj Baker 3 Bde HQ 10-15 to batman to Maj Baker 3 LH Bde HQ 10-15 (G) to batman to Maj Baker 14 Bde HQ 2-16 to batman to Maj Baker 1 Anzac Corps HQ 12-16 to Gnr 101Bty/1 FAB 1-18 F&B to NME farming married Elizabeth Titley at Knaresborough UK 9-8-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 January 2012, 04:55:07 pm

Happy New Year Steve - and thanks for all the latest additions.

Sorry another with no marrige document?
POWELL   Harry   22   Pte   4 LH Bde HQ   HQ batman to Col Spencer-Browne to 2 Div HQ 9-15 to 6 Bde HQ 9-15 (G) to AIF depots Weymouth UK 8-16 disch 21-2-18 MU married Annie at Weymouth UK
The only name is shown as Annie Powell *her married name, with no place or date of marrage but possibly between 1916 to 1917?

Harry POWELL married Annie MILES in the Jul-Sept Qtr of 1917 at Westbury in Wiltshire


Sorry about this bloke but details on marrage are short?

SKAMP   Harold Bowden   40   L/Sgt   13 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Sgt APayC AIF depots Hurdcott UK 8-16 to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 5-17 to 1 Anzac LHR 8-17 prom 2/Lt 10-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 att Aust Corps HQ 11-18 F&B married in UK later WWII

a number of documents mention he married in UK and RTA with wife but other then a mention of Mrs W Skamp from Kennsington UK there is not much more?

This one turned out to be very interesting - it was actually Mrs O Skamp (not W) - anyway, she turned out to be an Aussie nurse - though not in the AANS & nothing in the Brit records yet either - damn  :-\

Anyway, Harold Florance Bowden SKAMP & Olive Lettie Henty EMBLING married on the 24/11/1917 at the Holy Trinity Church in Brompton, London.

Olive had travelled to England in 1915 to take up war nursing - she was the daughter of Lt-Col Herbert Augustus EMBLING of the AAMC.

She died 21/11/1956 Glen Iris & Harold followed in 1958 at Heidelberg.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 January 2012, 06:59:49 am
Frev.

Thanks mate

Todays

HODGSON   Clement Horace   604   Pte   7 LHR   1R tos B Sqn 5-15 to MG sect 8-15 (G) to Gnr 102Bty/2 FAB 9-16 WIA 17-10-17 gas at Passendaele to sadler 10-18 F&B married Cameredye Parker at Tothill Fields 29-3-17 shown enlisted in Egypt

This one gives little

CAWRSE   Joseph   612   Pte   7 LHR   1R Tos C Sqn 2-15 WIA 7-8-15 L/buttock shot with pistol in Rest Gully (G) to ACo/1Bn (612a) 11-16 F&B disch 15-12-18 old wound died 18-6-24 in Sydney Hosp NSW married Winifred of Devenport Devon UK (British Imperial Yeomanry)

Change of NOK only gives married name but little else?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 January 2012, 09:09:13 am
Frev,

Todays

BEURCKNER   George Leslie   757   Pte   7 LHR   3R DNE relist AKA as George Leslie James 1R/18Bn (1548) Tos DCo/17Bn (1548a) 10-15 (G) to 55Bn 3-16 to 53Bn 5-16 WIA 25-10-16 head/face, legs & R/arm shrapnel at Pozieres FGCM 4-8-17 20 days AWoL sentenced 6 months HL comupted to 90 days FP 2 F&B married Mabel Bamford at Lambeth UK 27-11-18 AKA George Leslie Buerckner related Frederick FAB, Reginald 8Bn and Albert 34Bn

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 January 2012, 08:08:48 am
Frev,

Todays

WRIGHT   Frank   649   Pte   02 LHR   1R Tos 2-15 (G) to AIF HQ London UK 7-16 disch 4-2-18 MU married Winifred at Fulham UK 17-3-17

Sorry just a change of NOK in his file no marrage document?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 January 2012, 02:44:23 pm

Ta Steve - 4 more new ones.

Joseph CAWRSE married Winifred W TOOKER in the Dec Qtr of 1915 at Devenport, England

Frank WRIGHT married Winifred SMITH 17/3/1917 Fulham, England

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 January 2012, 06:11:42 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Today's another change of NOK only?

GRANT   James   623   Pte   02 LHR   1R tos C Sqn 2-15 (G) att WFF to Gnr 4 DAC 3-16 to AATD Lark Hill UK 5-16 to EDP Cpl 5-17 revert Gnr 9-17 disch 19-8-18 MU married Lilian in London UK 2-18 died 9-4-30 (Boer War 5 QIB (301)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 January 2012, 04:41:48 pm
Frev,

Todays

PINNEY   Charles Robert   550   Pte   04 LHR   MG Sect WIA 7-8-15 head shrapnel near Ryries post to 5Bn 9-15 prom 2/Lt 6Bn 10-15 (G) to Intell Officer 2 Bde HQ 4-16 rtn prom Capt DCo 3-17 recom MC - for his actions as Company commander at Broodseinde Ridge 4-10-17 & MC MID - for his actions lead his company in attack suported Canadian 44Bn on Keiberg Railway cutting at Decline Copse near Zonnebeke 25/30-10-17 & mentioned in Corps Routine Orders F&B to AIF Trg unit Tidworth UK 4-18 to RTO 3-19 married Mary Murray at Kennsington UK 30-1-18 (Port Morsby Constabulary) see 6Bn History for photo/cartoon page 375

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 January 2012, 02:20:31 pm

Ta Steve - both James GRANT & Charles PINNEY are new to the database.

James GRANT married Lilian Mildred JEFFERIES in the Jan-Mar Qtr 1918 (most likely Feb as you've noted) at Warminster, Wiltshire, England.  They had one daughter Gaby born c1919.
James became an Orchardist at Mt Tully, Stanthorpe, Qld - but developed chest trouble not long after his return home and had been an invalid for some time before his death in the Brisbane General Hospital, in 1930 (as you've recorded).  Both he and Lilian are buried in the Toowong Cemetery, Qld.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 January 2012, 06:57:05 am
Frev,

Todays

McKANE   Thomas   630   Pte   04 LHR   1R Tos 2-15 Tos 7-15 (G) to D Sqn 3-16 to Dvr 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att NZ Div 4-17 att APM 2 Anzac Corps HQ 5-17 rtn L/Cpl 7-17 WIA 18-7-17 R/leg shrapnel near Messines to A/Bdr 27Bty/7 FAB 11-17 F&B married Margaret Boland at Liverpool UK 31-12-16 disch 25-1-19

and

SMITH   Francis Hedley   643   Pte   04 LHR   1R disemb Colombo 17-1-15 disch 14-5-15 MU relist 5R/13 LHR (1106) att D Troop CSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to 3 Sect/2 DAC 3-16 att 1 Div Salvage Co 4-17 to Gnr 11Bty/4 FAB 2-18 F&B married Mary (Nellie) Salkeld at Carlisle Wales 3-1-17

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 January 2012, 08:19:28 am
Frev,

I think I gave you this man before but wound like some more details?

MORTIMORE   Frederick Pengelly   326   Pte   03 LHR   B Sqn to RHQ (G) to Bdr 1 Sect/5 DAC 3-16 F&B married Nellie Mortimore in Paris France by British Consul General Walter Hearn

He is interesting because of another soldier who married a women with the same last name, agian possible relation cousin or sister?

Also they were married by the British CG in Paris, not an every day occorence?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 January 2012, 09:37:11 am
Frev,

Todays

BEAMES   Norman   108   Pte   03 LHR   RHQ (G) RTA MU VD reemb 13R tos Dvr 2 sect/2 DAC 3-16 F&B to AIF Kit Stores London 12-18 to NME UK farming married Kennie Haygreen at Newmarket UK 19-7-19 (BSqn CMF 2 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 January 2012, 07:48:48 am
Frev,

Todays

Not much to go on here?

MAISHMAN   Thomas Alfred   11   Pte   05 LHR   RHQ batman to Capt Ridley Adjt to A Sqn (G) to HQ 1 Div to HQ 1-16 to batman to Bde Maj Ridley 13 Bde 3-16 to 49Bn 3-16 to L/Cpl 5-16 WIA 16-8-16 R/leg during relief by 1 Bde one of 21 killed and 84 wounded at Pozieres F&B to ER Cpl 1 Com depot UK 1-17 married Annie at Hempstead UK (British Royal Navy 18 months)

And

SILVERLOCK   Albert Edward   138   MO Orderly   05 LHR   RHQ AAMC recom for French award & Special Mention in Div Orders - for his actions rescuing wounded at the Balken Pitts 28-6-15 (G) to T/Cpl AIF HQ London UK 8-16 att 16 FAmb 5-17 to AMC Trg unit Parkhouse UK 9-17 to A/Sgt 3-19 married Edith Webster at Leicester UK 15-6-18

this woman is interesting

STREMES   Thomas Ernest   362   Batman   05 LHR   RHQ Tos 7-15 (G) to LH Dtls Tidworth UK 6-16 to AProvC Tidworth UK 8-16 to A/L/Cpl 10-18 to ER 2/Cpl 2-19 to NME UK motor married WRAF Dorothy Earl at Willesdan UK 26-8-19 (British 21st (Empress of India's) Lancers 2 months) later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 31 January 2012, 10:48:47 pm

Hi Steve

Of all these I only had Smith & Mortimore - so thanks for the new ones  :)
(and just out of interest - Dorothy Stremes (nee Earl) is the 3rd member of the WRAF that I now have listed - ta)

Thomas MAISHMAN married Annie GLENISTER 15/7/1917 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England
He died in 1976 Hillingdon, London


More info for you on Fred MORTIMORE below - and he was just plain Fred - not Frederick (all references including birth, marriage & death registrations all list him as Fred)
Yes - you were right, they were related - first cousins - their father's were brothers.

MORTIMORE, Fred Pengelly – 326, 5th DAC (ex 3rd LH)

Born 5/3/1895 Port Pirie, SA – son of William MORTIMORE & Grace PENGELLY
[William b.1851 Marldon, Devon England – son of William George & Hannah Mortimore]

Married Nellie MORTIMORE (Stenographer) 11/10/1918 British Consulate, Paris, France
RTA together 4/6/1919 on the Bremen

Nellie Mortimore b.9/11/1896 Paris, Seine, France – daughter of George MORTIMORE & Ellen Eliza JARVIS
[George b.1855 Marldon, Devon, England – son of William & Hannah – married Ellen 1880 Islington, London – died France]
Nellie died 28/3/1981 Perth, WA – interred Karrakatta Cemetery

Children:
*Charles William b.17/9/1921 Donnybrook, WA – WW2: 1942 – 1943, Pte WX30165, 16 Inf Bn (lists his father as NOK)
*Leonard Eric born 6/10/1922 at Nurse Williams’s Home, Donnybrook, WA – WW2: 1942 – 1946, Gnr WX36080, 16 Field Regt (lists his mother as NOK) –d.31/7/1989 WA
*Ellen Grace born 15/8/1924 Donnybrook, WA – WW2: 1942 -1946, Gnr WF96351, 29 Aust A/A Bty (lists her father as NOK]

1922, 1937 – Fred (a farmer) & Nellie living Tenterden, Donnybrook, WA
Fred & Nellie no longer living together – 1943 (electoral roll)
Divorce granted 1950 – on grounds of 5 years of separation

Died 12/4/1970 Gosnells, WA – interred Karrakatta Cemetery


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 February 2012, 09:07:43 am
Frev,

Todays for your magic?

GOULD   George   199   Pte   7 LHR   A Sqn to Sig C Sqn to RHQ (G) to 30Bn (199a) 10-16 F&B to AIF depots Weymouth UK 2-17 disch 6-2-18 MU married Lilly at Uxbridge UK 21-5-16 relist stoker in Marchant Marine (Boer War 10 Cont NZMR N/R?)

He has a change of details card informing of marrage but no other docs?

He claimed service in the Boer War but no Record?

So one for you yo check up on.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 February 2012, 07:19:05 am
Frev,

Another couple that didn't survive the war.

WALKER   William Albert   174   Sig   7 LHR   RHQ to A Sqn (24) to Sig/Cpl RHQ 7-15 to C Sqn 8-15 (G) to A/Sgt Trg Centre 7-16 to AProvC APM Tidworth UK 8-16 rtn 7 LHR 3-18 died bronco pneumonia at 14 AGH buried Port Said War Memorial Cemetery Egypt married Dorothy Stehelin at Farnham UK 4-6-17
S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 February 2012, 08:28:58 am
Frev,

This one has two things your after,

PEPPERCORN   Royce Theodore   32   L/Cpl   11 LHR   RHQ to Transport Sgt 6-15 att T/SSM 9 LHR 8-15 to CSqn/8 LHR 9-15 to T/SSM 10-15 (G) to SSM 12-15 prom 2/Lt BSqn/8 LHR 1-17 MC - for his actions at El Burj 30-11-17 to T/A/Adjt RHQ 12-17 rtn C Sqn C Troop 1-18 prom Capt 4-19 married VAD Nurse Harriet Littlewood at Ismailia Egypt 3-3-19

Yes a nurse married in Egypt.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 February 2012, 08:32:57 am
Frev,

Todays any change of NOK no dates or last name of wife

DYKE   Frank   137   RQMS   11 LHR   RHQ att RHQ/9 LHR 8-15 (G) reduced to Pte 7-16 to 49Bn 9-16 WIA 16-7-17 R/knee & abdoman shrapnel near Warneton F&B disch 17-3-18 married Lilian at Weymouth UK 8-17 (British 1/7Bn The Middlesex Regt 5 years)

also

GRATTON   William Endacott   587   Pte   11 LHR   RHQ AAMC att DSqn/9 LHR 8-15 att 02 LHR 8-15 (G) to 49Bn 9-16 WIA 26-9-17 R/thigh at Polygon Wood F&B married Lilian Musgrove at Mitcham UK 15-3-16 disch 18-4-18 (British The Royal 1st Devonshire Yeomanry 8 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 February 2012, 11:30:58 pm

Ta for all the latest marriages Steve - the only 2 I had were William WALKER & William GRATTON

George GOULD married Lily MORRIS 21/5/1916 at Uxbridge, England
Afraid I can’t be of any help with his service in the Boer War with a NZ contingent.

Theodore PEPPERCORN's wife Harriet was an English VAD - but possibly not a nurse.  She fibbed a little on the marriage certificate, giving her age as 28, when she was actually 36 (10 yrs older than him). The couple were living apart by 1943.

Frank DYKE married Lilian Emma STAMP Jan-Mar Qtr 1916 West Ham, England.
As this wasn't long after he arrived in England (with enteric) - it's quite probable they'd been sweethearts before he came out to Australia (before the war).
After being invalided back to Aus in 1917/18 - either she refused to come out, or he decided he didn't want to stay - anyway, he returned to England in October 1919. 

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 February 2012, 10:12:34 am
Mate,

Todays

DOWNING   Reginald George   3   FarQMS   12 LHR   RHQ att DSqn/7 LHR 10-15 prom 2/Lt 2Bn 11-15 (G) to 54Bn 2-16 WIA 19-7-16 L/leg & foot shot at Fluerbaix - Fromelles & MC - for his actions at Fromelles 19-7-16 prom Capt CCo 10-17 WIA 18-11-17 minor in front line around Bug farm near Ypres + bar - for his actions at Peronne 1-9-18 to 56Bn 10-18 F&B married Annie O'Neil at Golders Green London UK 17-7-18 (SUS CMF 4 years to LtCol 56Bn 1931 CAFOD later WWII)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 February 2012, 09:19:59 am
Mate,

Todays, I think I have given before, can you give more details?

DOBSON   Arthur      Lt   12 LHR   7R Tos 6-16 att APM AProvC 7-16 to A Sqn 12-16 rtn CSqn/12 LHR 9-17 WIA 19-4-17 face/jaw shot at 2nd Gaza (B) recom MID - for his actions during Oct - Nov 1917 att staff training 4 LH Bde HQ 9-17 rtn 9-17 (B) to staff training 4 LH Bde HQ 25-1-18 rtn T/Adjt RHQ 5-18 to 3 weeks leave in UK 5-18 rtn 8-18 recom MID awarded MC - for his actions at Semakh 25-9-18 married Elsie in UK (British Cheshire Yeomanry (Earl of Chester’s Hussars 8 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 February 2012, 03:12:29 pm
DOWNING   Reginald George   3   FarQMS   12 LHR   RHQ att DSqn/7 LHR 10-15 prom 2/Lt 2Bn 11-15 (G) to 54Bn 2-16 WIA 19-7-16 L/leg & foot shot at Fluerbaix - Fromelles & MC - for his actions at Fromelles 19-7-16 prom Capt CCo 10-17 WIA 18-11-17 minor in front line around Bug farm near Ypres + bar - for his actions at Peronne 1-9-18 to 56Bn 10-18 F&B married Annie O'Neil at Golders Green London UK 17-7-18 (SUS CMF 4 years to LtCol 56Bn 1931 CAFOD later WWII)

Ta Steve - but already have DOWNING - as he married an AANS Nurse

From my file - for your interest:

O’NEILL, Annie Emily (known as Nance) – Sister, AANS, (MID, ARRC)
Married Reginald George DOWNING, Capt (MC&Bar), 54th Bn, AIF on the 4/7/1918 at the RC Church, Finchley Rd, Golders Green, London, England, by T.J. King.


Born 1887 Manning River (Taree), NSW – daughter of Patrick Joseph O’NEILL (Publican, Mayor of Kempsey) & Annie Mary HOUGH, who married in Stroud, NSW in 1886
Siblings: (many)


WW1: Joined 23/4/1915 – embarked at Sydney 15/5/1915 on the RMS Mooltan with the 3rd AGH for Egypt
Proceeded to join MEF Gallipoli -/8/15
Admitted 3rd AGH at Mudros with dysentery 26/8/15 & tsfd to Alexandria 18/10/15
Returned to duty at Mudros 3/12/15
Sailed on Oxfordshire back to Egypt– disembarking Alex 27/1/16
Mentioned in despatches & awarded the ARRC in 1916
Embarked with the 3rd AGH at Alex on the Karoola 25/9/16 to join the BEF – arriving Brighton, England 5/10/16
Granted leave 19/2/17 – 4/3/17
Proceeded O/S to France from Southampton 11/4/17 on the Londonderry
Attached to 3rd ACCS, Abbeville 7/5/17 – rejoined 3rd AGH, Abbeville 24/5/17 – posted to 1st ACCS 2/11/17
On leave to Cannes 28/2/18 – 15/3/18
Posted to 10 SH 12/4/15 – 15th CCS 15/4/18 – 1st ACCS 20/4/18
To England on leave & to marry 24/6/18
Resigned her appointment 4/7/18 on account of marriage

She nursed with the Red Cross until RTA in Feb 1919

Children:
* John Neil DOWNING b.9/5/1920 Sydney – Veterinary Student, Sydney University – WW2 – Lieut, 2/17 Inf Bn – d.31/7/1941 Libya
* George Boyd DOWNING b.13/1/1924 Greenwich Point, NSW – WW2 – Flight Lieut, RAAF

Applied for Repat in 1959

Died 1974 Lochinvar, NSW

 
Reginald George DOWNING born 24/5/1891 Forest Lodge, Sydney – son of George Henry DOWNING & Jessie T. BOYD – who married in 1890 in Sydney
Siblings: Emily J. (Poppy) b.1893 – marr 1922

Agriculture graduate / Sydney University Scouts

WW1: Enlisted 25/3/1915 NSW – embarked Sydney 13/6/1915 on the A29 Suevic, with the 12th LH (HQ)
TOS of 7th LH 2/10/15 Gallipoli
Returned to Alex on the Huntsgreen 28/12/15
Tsfd to 54th Bn14/2/16 Tel-el-Kebir
Emb on Caledonian 19/6/16 – disemb Marseilles 29/6/16
Wounded (leg & foot) 19-20/7/16 – adm 2nd Eastern Gen Hosp, Brighton, England 31/7/16 – 27/10/16
Awarded MC 1916
Proc O/S to France 23/11/16
Emb Boulogne 291/17 for England & rep for duty Tidworth 1/2/17
Proc O/S to France 20/6/17
Wounded 18/11/17
To UK on Leave 30/6/1918 – 23/7/18 (married)
Awarded Bar to MC Sept 1918 Peronne
Granted leave 11/2/19 – 11/5/19 to undergo a Post Graduate Course in Soil Physics at Rothamsted Experimental Station, Harpenden, Hertfordshire
RTA on Ypiranga 15/5/1919 – 5/7/1919 (3rd MD – then by rail to 2nd MD)
Appointment terminated 15/11/19

AMF 1922 to enl in WW2 – Lt Col 56th Bn
Farmer – “Merton”, Dubbo 1941

Died 1/9/1967 at St George District Hospital, Kogarah, NSW, age 76 – late of Conulla, formerly of Killara & Dubbo


The Sydney Morning Herald, Tue 16 Jul 1918:
FROM NEAR AND FAR
A cablegram has been received by Alderman P.J. O’Neill, of Kempsey, informing him that his daughter, Sister Nance O’Neill, was married on July 4 to Captain Reg. Downing, formerly of Sydney.  Sister O’Neill left Australia over three years ago with Colonel Surgeon Fiaschi, and served in Egypt, and was present at the opening of the Lemnos Hospital, and afterwards served in No.3 Australian General Hospital, then went to Brighton Hospital, England, and afterwards to France.  For her splendid services she was decorated by the King at Buckingham Palace with the Order of the Royal Red Cross.  She has practically been right through the four zones of the war, namely Gallipoli [sic], France, Lemnos, and England.  Captain Downing left Australia over three years ago, and won his commission on the field, and also gained the MM [sic] decoration for distinguished service in the field.  Prior to the war he held the position of Master of Agriculture in the Agricultural Department, and is beloved by the men under him.  He has been wounded twice.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wed 19 Feb 1919:
COUNTRY NEWS
KEMPSEY - ………….. A welcome home was given to Mrs Downing, formerly Sister Nance O’Neill, a daughter of the Mayor, Alderman P.J. O’Neill.  Sister O’Neill left Australia in May 1915, and nursed at Mudross (Egypt), [sic] England, and France till July 4, 1918, when she married Captain R.G. Downing, M.C., of Sydney.  She nursed with the British Red Cross till she left for Australia in 1917. [sic]  The Royal Red Cross was conferred on her by the King in recognition of her nursing services.

 



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 February 2012, 03:18:50 pm
Todays, I think I have given before, can you give more details?

DOBSON   Arthur      Lt   12 LHR   7R Tos 6-16 att APM AProvC 7-16 to A Sqn 12-16 rtn CSqn/12 LHR 9-17 WIA 19-4-17 face/jaw shot at 2nd Gaza (B) recom MID - for his actions during Oct - Nov 1917 att staff training 4 LH Bde HQ 9-17 rtn 9-17 (B) to staff training 4 LH Bde HQ 25-1-18 rtn T/Adjt RHQ 5-18 to 3 weeks leave in UK 5-18 rtn 8-18 recom MID awarded MC - for his actions at Semakh 25-9-18 married Elsie in UK (British Cheshire Yeomanry (Earl of Chester’s Hussars 8 years)

And yes - you'd already given me DOBSON

More details for you:

DOBSON, Arthur (MC) – Lieut, 12th LH

Born William Arthur SHAW 7/7/1885 Penwortham, Lancaster – son of William SHAW (Railway Pointsman) & Jane WINSTANLEY  [Not 7/7/1886 as stated in SR – birth cert sighted]
[William Snr died in 1893 & Jane remarried in 1894 to Jonathan Beal DOBSON (Railway Signalman)]

Occupation 1901 (age 15) – Temporary Assistant Postman – living with his mother, step-father & siblings in Altrincham, Cheshire (listed as William A Shaw)
Occupation 1911 (age 25) – Letter Carrier – boarding in Altrincham (listed as William Arthur Dobson)
Served 8½ years in the Earl of Chester’s Yeomanry

An Arthur Dobson sailed from England to Australia late 1913 on the Medic

Occupation on enlistment 1915: Sorter at the GPO
Resident: Kia Ora, Dudley St, Bondi, Sydney
NOK: mother, Jane Dobson at Station Cottage, Chidwall, Liverpool

Married Elsie Kathleen UNSWORTH 15/6/1918 at St Vincent’s Church, Altrincham, Cheshire, England – at the end of his 3 weeks leave in the UK  [See wedding photo on Ancestry family tree]
Elsie (born Lancashire) apparently nursed during WW1

Arthur RTA on the Morvada, embarking Egypt 22/7/1919 – arriving Sydney 28/8/1919

They had 3 (surviving) children
One son was a Flying Officer in the RAAF during WW2

The Sydney Morning Herald, Tue 15 Jun 1943:
SILVER WEDDINGS
DOBSON – UNSWORTH – June 15, 1918, at St Vincent’s Church, Altrincham, Cheshire, England, by Rev Fr J Kelly, Elsie Kathleen Unsworth, of Altrincham to Lieut Arthur Dobson, M.C., 12th A.L.H.  Present address 12 Fig Tree Avenue, Randwick

Died 25/5/1965 at the Prince of Wales Hospital, Randwick, age 79

Elsie died 19/6/1970, age 78 – late of Randwick


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 February 2012, 07:52:18 am
Frev,

Thanks for the extra details.

Todays, an interesting one

ROTH   David Francis Peter   183   Pte   12 LHR   A Sqn att DSqn/01 LHR 8-15 (G) to Sig B Sqn to RHQ 6-16 prom 2/Lt Orderly Officer 3 LH Bde HQ 8-16 WIA 19-4-17 chest & R/arm hit with Bde Maj Dangar by bomb in air attack at 2nd Gaza & recom MC awarded MID - for his actions at 2nd Gaza to ADC to Gen Royston 7-17 to ADC to Gen Hodgson Aust MD HQ 11-17 to 1-18 rtn ASqn/12 LHR 2-18 to RHQ 7-18 to records sect (war Trophies) AIF HQ 12-18 to UK leave married 15 year old Gisele Bluntschli at St Martins UK 29-10-19 brother Sydney 31Bn

There must be a story here, why did an officer marry this very young girl, who was the daughter of the Foregin Bank Director?

I wonder how these two meet and if there relationship continued?

Also who was this Foregin Bank Director?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 February 2012, 09:01:09 am
Frev.

Todays

COOK   Gordon Howe   1280   Pte   11 LHR   6R tos C Sqn att 9 LHR 1-16 to 3 LHFA 5-16 to 4 FAmb 5-16 to 1 DSC 12-16 to MT Dvr "K" CSC 2-17 to MT Dvr 4 MTCo 3-18 F&B married Margaret Munro at Cathcart Scotland UK 3-2-19

and

DEEKS   Albert Joseph   1631   Pte   7 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to 5 DASP 7-16 to batman to HQ/2 DASP 12-16 to 3 DASP (1631a) 1-17 to 3 MTCo 3-18 F&B married Florence Pepworth in Bath UK 2-3-18


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 22 February 2012, 09:14:09 pm
Todays, an interesting one

ROTH   David Francis Peter   183   Pte   12 LHR   A Sqn att DSqn/01 LHR 8-15 (G) to Sig B Sqn to RHQ 6-16 prom 2/Lt Orderly Officer 3 LH Bde HQ 8-16 WIA 19-4-17 chest & R/arm hit with Bde Maj Dangar by bomb in air attack at 2nd Gaza & recom MC awarded MID - for his actions at 2nd Gaza to ADC to Gen Royston 7-17 to ADC to Gen Hodgson Aust MD HQ 11-17 to 1-18 rtn ASqn/12 LHR 2-18 to RHQ 7-18 to records sect (war Trophies) AIF HQ 12-18 to UK leave married 15 year old Gisele Bluntschli at St Martins UK 29-10-19 brother Sydney 31Bn

There must be a story here, why did an officer marry this very young girl, who was the daughter of the Foregin Bank Director?

I wonder how these two meet and if there relationship continued?

Also who was this Foregin Bank Director?



Steve - you're getting as bad as me - always looking for stories!  :D

Yep - it's definately an interesting one - but all I can tell you at the moment is that Gisele, although of French extraction, was born in Egypt.
So whether they met in Egypt, or England where they married, I can't say at this stage.

It appears that David Roth's father may have also been French, and the fact that David was an International Traveller (who could speak French, Italian & German).......well, it's highly possible that the 2 families knew each other before the war.

Haven't actually found anything on Gisele's father, but her mother ended up coming to Australia as well - and unfortunately, according to Roth, she was part of the reason that the marriage didn't last - typical case of the interfering mother-in-law!

Anyway, after having three daughters, Roth filed for divorce in 1928, due to his wife's adultery with her doctor - and Gisele married her doctor as soon as the divorce came through.
The divorce & child custody cases were splashed across the newspapers over a couple of years - a bit like a Hollywood soapy.

David Roth died 4/12/1971 in Sydney
(Gisele's 2nd husband died in 1947 & she in 1991)



Thanks also for COOK & DEEKS
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 February 2012, 08:09:37 am
Frev,

Thanks mate sorry to hear they split so early in the marrage.

Todays

BUCHANAN   Walter Norman   601   Pte   13 LHR   B Sqn (G) to 4 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 1Bn 10-16 rtn 1 Anzac LHR 3-17 to 2 sect/1 DAC 11-17 to 5 MTCo 3-18 F&B married Minnie Carroll at Upton Park Essex UK 1-3-19

and

GUEST   William Joseph Edward   1795   Pte   7 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to 5 DASP 6-16 to 2 DASP 10-16 att batman to Capt Campbell 358Co ASC 10-17 to 3 ASC Repair Wksp 10-17 to 5 ASC Heavy Repair Wksp 10-17 to 2 MTCo 10-18 F&B married Lorna Smale at Bath UK 21-3-18


Cheers

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 February 2012, 08:20:11 am
Frev,

Todays

This may pose some problems?

LEWIS   John Pierson    7651   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   6R Tos relist 20Co AASC 2 Div Trn 2-16 to 29Co (8794) 3-16 to 10Co 3-16 to HT&S depot 9-17 to 4 DSC 10-17 to 4 MTCo (8794a) 3-18 F&B to NME UK Bradford collage wool factories RTA at own expense via USA possible married in Bradford UK

There is a note form this man to his perants requesting money and advising his marage but no record?

Also page 76 an inqury by a H Sugden about Lewis, which he is writting in reference to his daughter?

All this points to a possible married but thats not certain?

For your special touch

another

BRAHAM   Victor Harold   5980   Pte   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist 20Co AASC 2 Div Trn (9001) Tos HQ Co 2 Div Trn 10-15 (G) to 10Co 3-16 to 5 DSC 7-17 to 5 MTCo 3-18 to Aust Corps MTCo 3-18 to Cpl 6 MTCo 1-19 F&B (CMF later 43/48Bn 20-3-34) possibly married in UK related C Braham

He shows only one document with this statis changed but no other documents give any insight?

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 February 2012, 07:52:37 am
Frev,

Todays

HAUBER   Antonio   2426   Pte   48Bn   5R to 12 Trg Bn Codford UK 10-16 Tos 7-17 WIA 1-10-17 L/thigh shot at Polygon Wood att 3 Sqn AFC 12-18 to MT Dvr 4 MTCo 1-19 F&B AKA Hayber (24 LH CMF 7 months) married Elizabeth Goff at Bromley Kent UK 4-8-19  

and

BRADFORD   Leonard   2154   Pte   7 LHR   15R tos 5 DASP 6-16 to 1 DASP 10-16 att "K" CAP 2-17 to 3 BAP 2-17 to MT Dvr 9-17 to 1 MTCo 4-19 F&B married Gladys Margerum at Fulham UK 31-7-19

and

FRENCH   Wilfred Victor   1951   Pte   03 LHR   13R tos Dvr 1 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to A/Bdr 5-16 to MT Dvr 2 DASP 2-17 MM - for his actions with two others carrying ammo around Ypres 28-10-17 to 4 MTCo 3-18 F&B married Tramcar driver Jean MacLeod at Glasgow Scotland 5-3-19 (CMF 18 months later WWII) related Ben 3 LHR

You may notice I am doing those LH soldiers that served in the MT Companies during the war so a few married members are showing up.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 February 2012, 07:24:57 am
Frev.

Todays

DAVIES   John Brooklyn   2015   Pte   7 LHR   14R to 5 DASP 6-16 to 2 DASP 10-16 WIA 2-7-17 hand accident reported GSW near Bapaune to MT Dvr 4 MTCo 3-18 F&B married Lilian Brooke in Southwark UK 12-6-17 later WWII

and

SMITH   Thomas Henry    12477   Dvr    AASC R Div LH LofC   20R Aug 1916 to AIF Depot Parkhouse UK 10-16 to 2 DSC 6-17 to 2 MTCo 3-18 F&B to NME UK ship joiner married Elizabeth Potts at Newcatle on Tyne UK 25-12-17


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 27 February 2012, 05:07:05 pm

Ta Steve - of all these, I only had BRAHAM & BRADFORD.

Some more info on Victor Harold BRAHAM for you:

He was born 13/9/1895 Islington, SA - the son of William BRAHAM & Harriet ELDRIDGE

Victor married Gladys Rosina RUTT 19/5/1917 at St Andrews, Stockwell, London
They RTA together on the Windhuk 19/6/1919
Their son Victor Stewart born 1920 - served in WW2

Gladys died in 1968 & Victor (Snr) died 5/4/1971 at Adelaide


Some more info on John Pierson LEWIS for you:

He was born 7/10/1893 Edwardstown, SA - the son of John LEWIS & Alexandrina Helena PEARSON. His birth was actually registered as John Pearson LEWIS - so not sure why he decided to spell the second name as Pierson.

John married Mary Alice SUGDEN Jul-Sept Qtr 1919, Bradford, West Yorkshire, England (born in 1897 in Bradford, she was the daughter of Harry & Bertha)
Their son Peter Neville, born 1922 - served in WW2
Haven't found their deaths yet.


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 March 2012, 08:14:04 am
Frev,

Todays another of those sad one's

MARSHALL   Walter   2558   Pte   13 LHR   22R tos Dvr 108Bty/8 FAB 8-18 F&B married Mabel Jennings at Bradford UK 19-9-19 died 10-8-21 died in Australia brother WIlliam 13 FAB

His widdow RTE soon after his death, I found no reason where or why he deid as yet?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 March 2012, 10:02:57 am
Frev.

Todays

MOORHOUSE   Noel Edwin   1653   Pte   2 Remts   6 Sqn to Cpl 11-15 to AIF Canteens 4-16 to APayC UK 12-16 to Gnr 25Bty/7 FAB 12-16 to Bdr 10-17 F&B to ER Cpl AIF HQ London UK 1-19 to VO S/Sgt 12-19 married Violet Charles at Galway Ireland 10-6-19 AKA Noel Edward Moorhouse

and

SMITH   Victor   504   Dvr   6 LHR   MG Sect to A Sqn 10-15 (G) to 15 BAC 3-16 to 113Bty/13 FAB 9-16 WIA 6-11-17 gas mustard near Ypres to AIF depots UK 1-18 rtn 113Bty/13 FAB 4-18 WIA 31-7-18 gas near Villers Bretonneux F&B to AIF depots UK 10-18 married Ethel Hamilton at Wirral UK 14-2-18 (not on emb rolls)


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 March 2012, 10:29:35 pm

Thanks Steve - these three are all new.

I can't tell you what caused Walter Marshall's death either - but I can at least let you know that he died in the Military Ward at the Austin Hospital in Heidelberg, Vic - so hopefully he was well cared for.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 March 2012, 08:17:32 am
Frev.

No worries my plesure.

Todays

TOMLINSON   Henry Marshall Roland   970   Pte   6 LHR   5R Tos C Sqn 10-15 (G) to Gnr 59Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to 17Bty/6 FAB 1-17 WIA 25-10-17 head & face shrapnel at Passendaele WIA 18-10-18 gas one of 42 gassed in suport attack by 30th US Div near Busigny and St Martin F&B married Ina Paterson in Dublin Ireland 18-12-17 later WWII

Frev, this bloke shows not married, then married, but no other details, for your special touch

ROWLAND   Owen John   1028   Pte   12 LHR   4R remain Egypt to A/Cpl 12-15 prom 2/Lt 37Bty/10 FAB 3-16 WIA 31-3-17 hand injury near Noreuit to 17Bty/6 FAB 7-17 recom MC awarded MID - for his actions as Lision officer att 8Bn at the Hooge during Polygon Wood 30-9-17 MC - for his actions near Montbrehain 8-10-18 prom T/Capt 10-18 F&B married in UK (CMF 2 years later WWII) brother George 12 LHR

and

SMITH   Alfred Arthur   1949   Pte   6 LHR   13R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 114Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 115Bty 7-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 F&B married Aero Munitions examiner Hilda Butler in Warwick UK 29-10-18

Hilda like her father worked in Munitions.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 March 2012, 08:34:08 am
Frev,

Todays

RICHARDS   John Ernest   2216   Pte   03 LHR   15R to RBAA UK 4-16 to Dvr 115Bty/25 FAB 11-16 to 106Bty/6 FAB 4-17 to 4 FAB 4-19 F&B married Janet McFadyen at Glasgow Scotland 9-6-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 March 2012, 07:56:57 am
Frev,

Todays

HODGSON   Baden Leslie Richard   2375   Pte   13 LHR   19R to 13 LH Dtls UK 10-17 to Dvr 31Bty/8 FAB 6-18 F&B married Waitress QMAAC Isabelle Lucas at Dartford UK 3-9-19

She worked at 3 AAuxH Dartford although listed as Waitress QMAAC was that like a VAD?

and

EDWARDS   Leonard George   2549   Pte   13 LHR   22R to RBAA Heytesbury UK 3-18 to Dvr 31Bty/8 FAB 5-18 F&B to NME UK motor mechanic married Lilian Thomas in Poplar UK 6-7-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 March 2012, 08:37:54 pm

Frev, this bloke shows not married, then married, but no other details, for your special touch

ROWLAND   Owen John   1028   Pte   12 LHR   4R remain Egypt to A/Cpl 12-15 prom 2/Lt 37Bty/10 FAB 3-16 WIA 31-3-17 hand injury near Noreuit to 17Bty/6 FAB 7-17 recom MC awarded MID - for his actions as Lision officer att 8Bn at the Hooge during Polygon Wood 30-9-17 MC - for his actions near Montbrehain 8-10-18 prom T/Capt 10-18 F&B married in UK (CMF 2 years later WWII) brother George 12 LHR



Brilliant Steve - these are all new ones except for Leonard EDWARDS - many thanks.


Owen ROWLAND actually married an Aussie - possible they may have been engaged pre-war:

ROWLAND, Owen John - born 25/8/1895 Tamworth, NSW – son of George Daniel ROWLAND & Catherine Ryan ELBRA

Married Enid Marjorie Norton PARKER 9/1/1917 St John’s Church, Longfleet, Dorset, England
[Enid born 1894 Petersham, NSW – daughter of Benjamin Frederick PARKER & Amy THOMPSON
Enid had sailed to England in August 1916 with her mother]

Children:
Daughter, Clover Elbra b.4/3/1919 Princes Gate, London, England – WW2: Sergeant in the AWAS 1942-46
Son, Owen Atterbury b.22/6/1921 NSW – WW2: WO in the RAAF 1939-46

Owen, Enid & Clover RTA together on the family ship, Wahehe, embarking England 10/5/1919

Owen died 2/9/1969 NSW, late of Darlinghurst, NSW
Enid died 3/8/1981 NSW, age 87, late of Turramurra, NSW

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 March 2012, 08:47:59 pm

HODGSON   Baden Leslie Richard   2375   Pte   13 LHR   19R to 13 LH Dtls UK 10-17 to Dvr 31Bty/8 FAB 6-18 F&B married Waitress QMAAC Isabelle Lucas at Dartford UK 3-9-19

She worked at 3 AAuxH Dartford although listed as Waitress QMAAC was that like a VAD?


Not quite the same - VADs had training in first aid, and worked in the hospitals as orderlies or probationary nurses.
Members of Queen Mary's Army Auxiliary Corps (previously WAAC), served throughout the services as waitresses, cooks, clerks etc - ie. not medical.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 March 2012, 07:10:22 am
Frev,

Thanks mate, todays

BAMBOROUGH   Thomas Alfred   2309   Pte   02 LHR   16R to AATD UK 8-16 to Dvr 3 DAC 7-17 to 107Bty/7 FAB 9-17 WIA 9-10-17 index finger R/hand accident struck by water cart near Ypres F&B married Beatrice Wren at Blechingley UK 5-7-19

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 March 2012, 07:08:31 am
Frev,

Todays

KEEN   Alfred Robert   1071   Pte   03 LHR   6R tos C Sqn 10-15 (G) to Dvr 2 DAC 3-16 to 16Bty/6 FAB 1-17 F&B married Helena Shepherd at London UK 15-1-17 (CCo CMF 2 years)

and another pre war marrage

KEITH   George Samuel   1436   Pte   02 LHR   11R to 2 DAC 3-16 to Gnr 18Bty/6 FAB 4-16 WIA 26-9-17 R/buttock shrapnel at Polygon Wood F&B married Lily Bullock at Dalziel Scotland 16-8-10

This one is unknown as he shows no marrage in documents other then ANA

COWARD   Percy Robert   2163   Pte   03 LHR   15R to RBAA UK 7-16 to Gnr 16Bty/6 FAB 7-17 WIA 6-8-18 gas mustard near Villers Bretonneux F&B married Elsie in UK?

also shown Percy Robert Coward - Application for free passage for his wife Elsie Florence Coward

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 March 2012, 08:03:51 am
Frev,

Todays

DUFFUS   Leonard   1688   Pte   04 LHR   12R to Dvr 2 sect/2 DAC 3-16 to Gnr 106Bty/6 FAB 9-16 F&B to 1 Wing HQ AFC HQ Tetbury UK 3-18 married Millicent Nelson at Tetbury UK 24-8-18 disch MU DAH AKA Leonard Duffas later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 18 March 2012, 01:04:40 pm

More new ones Steve - thanks heaps.

Poor Percy COWARD - what a surname to be lumbered with when you're fighting a war!  And he was actually only 17 when he enlisted - born in the 2nd half of 1898.

He married Elsie Florence MILES in the Oct-Dec Qtr of 1918 at Croydon, England.  They had 3 sons, the eldest Robert Charles served in WW2.
Percy died 19/7/1948 at Mount Barker Junction, SA, and is buried in the Blakiston Cemetery.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 March 2012, 03:23:14 pm
Frev,

Thanks

Todays

DAVIS   George Solomon Victor   1540   Pte   6 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 60Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB 1-17 WIA 25-3-18 chest, R/leg & arm shrapnel one of 3 killed and 4 wounded by shells near Outtersteene F&B married Ethel Clarke at Luton Kent UK 26-8-18 (CMF 4 months)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 March 2012, 09:01:56 am
Frev,

Todays

BADEN   Frank Arthur   17   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) att WFF to AProvC 4-16 to AIF depots UK 6-16 to 26Co 4 Div Trn 7-16 to 2 Sect/1 DAC 11-17 F&B disch 13-12-18 MU married Edith Rogers in Worplesdon UK 16-6-17

and

BATTS   Alfred George   2337   Pte   05 LHR   16R to AATD UK 9-16 to Dvr 1 Sect/1 DAC 9-17 F&B married Jane Crowhurst in Chertsey UK 8-8-17 later WWII brother John 2 LHR


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 23 March 2012, 12:43:05 pm

Thanks again Steve - all three couples are new to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 March 2012, 08:53:19 am
Frev,

Check out the two marrage documents in this mans file, pages 11 and 12;

HEENAN   Denis   163   L/Cpl   02 LHR   A Sqn D Troop (G) att WFF to 1 LH FSE 6-16 to 1 LH MGS 12-17 to NME UK farming married Catherine Lewis in Newport UK 7-7-19

next to Denis marrage form there is a Patrick Heenan's marrage form, I thought they may have been brothers but I can find no relationship?

Cheers

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 March 2012, 11:46:26 am

Ta Steve - already have both of these men - they may of course be distant cousins, but I found no immediate relationship either.
[Just a filing error.]  Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 April 2012, 07:49:51 am
Frev,

Been a while since I found any married couples but this one is interesting.

HOWES   Albert   1238   Pte   13 LHR   6R tos B Sqn 2-16 to 4 Div Cav 3-16 to 1 Anzac LHR 7-16 att APM 1 Div 3-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B married Simone Gilmont at Merbes le Chateau Belgium 22-5-19

How this LH man found this Belgium girl during the war must be a story and married by the town mayor.

also

ETHERTON   Albert Edward   1239   Pte   10 LHR   9R att A Troop BSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 tos 3-16 to Dvr 34Co AASC AMDT 8-17 to UK leave married Mabel Mitchell at Cuckfield UK 14-6-19 later WWII

and

HASTINGS   Allan   1239   Pte   13 LHR   6R Tos C Sqn 2-16 to 5 Div Cav 3-16 to 1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 to L/Cpl 5-18 to T/Cpl 11-18 att Aust Corps Wkshps 1-19 F&B married Florris Cork at Derby UK 27-2-19


Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 April 2012, 10:14:16 am
Frev,

Todays

GRAHAM   Herbert Joseph   1778   Pte   13 LHR   9R to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 9-16 tos 1 Anzac LHR 2-17 to L/Cpl 6-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B to NME UK boiler making married Jane Surters at Newcatle on Tyne 8-7-19 due for disch in UK 14-10-19 cancelled (CMF 2 years)

It appears he may have RTA by himself or at lest his wife returned to the UK after the war.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 April 2012, 08:01:57 am
Frev,

todays

BENT   John Thomas   1320   Pte   13 LHR   7R tos 4 Div Cav 2-16 to 1 Troop BSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 att 1 Fld Bkry 1-19 F&B married Isabella Nicholson at Edinburgh Scotland 21-6-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 08 April 2012, 04:17:04 pm

Thanks as always Steve - all of the above are new to the database.



HOWES   Albert   1238   Pte   13 LHR   6R tos B Sqn 2-16 to 4 Div Cav 3-16 to 1 Anzac LHR 7-16 att APM 1 Div 3-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B married Simone Gilmont at Merbes le Chateau Belgium 22-5-19

How this LH man found this Belgium girl during the war must be a story and married by the town mayor.


Not that strange actually as the 13th LH were billeted in the area  whilst awaiting repatriation, so probably many a romance blossomed.  ;)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 08 April 2012, 04:32:40 pm

GRAHAM   Herbert Joseph   1778   Pte   13 LHR   9R to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 9-16 tos 1 Anzac LHR 2-17 to L/Cpl 6-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B to NME UK boiler making married Jane Surters at Newcatle on Tyne 8-7-19 due for disch in UK 14-10-19 cancelled (CMF 2 years)

It appears he may have RTA by himself or at lest his wife returned to the UK after the war.



Steve - sadly he did return by himself, as apparently the pregnant Jane refused to come to Australia - and he never met his daughter who was born in 1920.

His wife's surname was actually SURTEES - not SURTERS as noted in his file.
Neither remarried - and on his return home, Herbert lived with his parents in Fitzroy working as a labourer.  Both parents had died by 1936 and he then took on the position of an attendant at the Kew Asylum, followed by the Sunbury Mental Hospital, and was working at the Ararat Mental Hospital, when he died 23/12/1949.

Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 April 2012, 08:10:59 am
Frev,

Thanks mate, for the follow up. I wonder how many of those soldiers discharged in the UK were men who's girls didn't want to leave the UK?

Or on the other hand, how many wifes went straight back home after arriving in aussie?

Its one of the side effects of marrying overseas.

Todays

HODGE   Edwin Ernest   1368   Pte   13 LHR   7R tos 4 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 to S/Smith 4-18 F&B to NME UK farming married Johanna Cameron at Nottingham UK 8-7-19

and

ANDREWS   Daniel   1319   Pte   13 LHR   6R Tos 2-16 to 5 Div Cav 3-16 to CSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 to Aust Corps HQ 11-18 F&B married Violet Watkins at Hornsey UK 4-9-19 later WWII Lt AASC

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 April 2012, 09:00:23 am
Mate,

Todays another Nurse?

JAGGAR   Claude Llewellyn   1955   A/Sgt   13 LHR   12R to 13 LH Dtls UK 1-17 to APayC AIF HQ UK 3-17 to ER 2/Cpl 9-17 to ER Sgt 11-18 to ER S/Sgt 2-19 to ER Wo1 5-20 F&B married Nurse Lilian Byrne at Chelsea UK 5-1-18 AKA Jagger

It appears she was a Hosp Nurse but possibly civil not military?

also


his file shows only one document thats mentions he applied for money for wifes passage to australia?

HARRISON   Charles Keith   1953   A/Cpl   13 LHR   12R to 13 LH Dtls UK 1-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 to Sgt 10-18 F&B to education Dept AIF HQ London UK 11-18 to T/Wo1 12-18 married in UK? (VMR 1901-03 CMF 3 years) RTA At Own Expence


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 April 2012, 10:35:58 pm
I wonder how many of those soldiers discharged in the UK were men who's girls didn't want to leave the UK?

Or on the other hand, how many wifes went straight back home after arriving in aussie?


Maybe one day I'll be able to answer those questions - if the database is ever completed that is!  ::)
Meanwhile, thanks for continuing to add to it - all of the above are new.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 April 2012, 10:46:01 pm

Todays another Nurse?

JAGGAR   Claude Llewellyn   1955   A/Sgt   13 LHR   12R to 13 LH Dtls UK 1-17 to APayC AIF HQ UK 3-17 to ER 2/Cpl 9-17 to ER Sgt 11-18 to ER S/Sgt 2-19 to ER Wo1 5-20 F&B married Nurse Lilian Byrne at Chelsea UK 5-1-18 AKA Jagger

It appears she was a Hosp Nurse but possibly civil not military?


Steve - haven't been able to find any military records for her so far - so you could be right about her being civil.
Interestingly though - she was actually born in Australia - though the family moved around a lot, and it appears most of them were living back in England when the war broke out.
One brother enlisted in the AIF though - and another brother died in Egypt in 1920 with the RAF.

Claude JAGGAR died 4/5/1937 in Cobar, NSW

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 April 2012, 11:06:55 pm

his file shows only one document thats mentions he applied for money for wifes passage to australia?

HARRISON   Charles Keith   1953   A/Cpl   13 LHR   12R to 13 LH Dtls UK 1-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 to Sgt 10-18 F&B to education Dept AIF HQ London UK 11-18 to T/Wo1 12-18 married in UK? (VMR 1901-03 CMF 3 years) RTA At Own Expence


Steve - As you noted Charles Keith HARRISON RTA at his own expense - he sailed on the Royal George to New York, arriving 16/5/1919, and there he married Ethel Morrison FOSTER on the 10/6/1919 at Melrose in Massachusetts.
They then travelled together on the Sonoma, arriving in Aus 30/9/1919.
Just under a year later on the 9/8/1920, Ethel died at the St Ives Hospital in Melbourne - most likely in childbirth, as a son was born in 1920.

Charles died in June 1959 at Armadale, age 80 - he was cremated at Springvale Crematorium & his ashes scattered.

Haven't yet established what roll Ethel (who was born in USA) was playing in the war effort when they met....

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 April 2012, 09:07:46 am
Frev,

Thanks mate I like the stories you find on these people.

Todays another QMAAC

BASTIN   James Harold Noden   2074   Pte   13 LHR   14R to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 3-17 tos ASqn/13 LHR 1-18 F&B married QMAAC Kate Ross at Warminster UK 7-9-19 AKA John Harold Noden Bastin

I think I've given you this bloke before?

BRAND   Henry Charles Robert   2150   Pte   13 LHR   15R tos 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 2-17 tos 1 Anzac LHR 5-17 FGCM 28-7-17 recieving stolen goods sentenced 90 days FP 1 to Gnr 2 Sect/2 FAB 11-17 to Dvr 6Bty/2 FAB 11-17 F&B to (AAOC) ADOS AIF HQ London 2-19 married Daisy Bundy at London UK 10-8-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 April 2012, 07:14:24 am
Frev.

Todays

LADHAMS   Arthur William   2134   Pte   13 LHR   15R to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 2-17 to 2/AM AFC Dtls UK 8-17 to 30 Trg Sqn RFC Fern Hill UK 11-17 to 1/AM 1-18 to A/Cpl/Mech 6 Trg Sqn AFC UK 5-18 to Cpl/Mech 11-18 married Rowena Clive at Calverhall UK 5-2-18 (CMF 1 year)

and

LLEWELLYN   Charles Jatho   2197   Pte   13 LHR   16R to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 3-17 Tos CSqn/13 LHR 12-18 F&B to AWRS UK 4-19 married Rose Youdell at Warminster UK 25-6-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 April 2012, 07:51:16 am
Frev,

Todays

HALE   James Alexander   2313   Pte   13 LHR   18R to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 8-17 to Dvr 5 DAC 10-18 F&B married Harriett Gower at Lambeth UK 12-4-19 died 26-6-38 from war service

SB


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 April 2012, 05:35:27 pm
Frev,

Had a question reference your reply to this man;

Quote from: stevebecker on  13 August 2010, 02:31:21 pm

HEWETT   Ivor Frank Steele   870   Pte   02 LHR   4R tos B Sqn 8-15 att 1 LH Bde HQ as messenger 9-15 (G) to L/Cpl att WFF to Bdr 43Bty/11 FAB (870a) 4-16 to 36 HAG 6-17 to 54 SiegeBty 11-17 to 1 SiegeBty 5-18 F&B AKA Ivor Frederick Steele Hewett married Florence Sproule at Cairo Egypt 27-3-16

Done


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 April 2012, 06:29:59 pm
Steve - I have just replied to this lady who also PM'd me with the same message.
I gave her the information she required & then deleted the post that offended her - so you had probably better delete the above message - or it will all have been for nought!
Cheers, Frev

PS: thanks for the recent lot of marriages you've added - haven't had a chance to look at them yet.....


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 April 2012, 08:53:06 am
Frev,

Todays

HOBSON   George   1164   Pte   13 LHR   6R Tos 2 Div Cyc Co 3-16 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 5-16 to 22Bn (1164a) 8-16 att 2 AAuxH Southall UK 4-17 to AIF depots UK 6-17 rtn 22Bn 7-18 WIA 27-8-18 sprainned L/ankle accident near Cappy F&B married May Malpas at Prestwich UK 25-4-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 April 2012, 04:10:18 pm
Todays another QMAAC

BASTIN   James Harold Noden   2074   Pte   13 LHR   14R to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 3-17 tos ASqn/13 LHR 1-18 F&B married QMAAC Kate Ross at Warminster UK 7-9-19 AKA John Harold Noden Bastin


Steve - all the latest were new except for BRAND - who as you thought, you had already given me before.

Re above:
John Bastin’s correct name is John Harold Noden BASTIN – the James is an error in the embarkation roll that was then copied to the AIF Project.
[He was born, christened, married & died as John & his name is noted as John right throughout his service record]

It’s interesting to note that he has been listed on the copy of marriage certificate as being 28 years of age – when in fact he was only 23 [although this too may have been a case of the transcriber mistaking the 3 for an 8] – his wife was 33.

Katie was No. 15704, QMAAC - she appears to have been born in Scotland c1886. She died in 1971 at Dandenong, age 85.

John died the following year in February 1972 at Berwick and is buried in the Springvale Cemetery with Katie in the C.E. Bolingbroke Lawn [it would appear that there is nothing on their graves denoting their war service, as I've already photographed this section of the cemetery, and don't have a photo of their grave]

John's younger brother William James Archibald Bastin (Pte 2789, 59th Bn) was KIA 19/7/1916 at Fromelles, and is commemorated on the VC Cnr Memorial.

Thanks as always, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 April 2012, 10:33:22 am
Mate,

This bloke throw me for a while but see marrage form page 19;

RUSSEN   Alfred Charles   2148   A/Cpl   9 LHR   15R Tos 4-16 to CTU 9-16 to T/Sgt DCo/CTC 11-16 to T/CQMS 2-17 rtn revert Pte 9 LHR 9-17 to L/Cpl 10-18 to UK leave married Annie Tatlow at Melbourne 21-3-14 (Boer War Cpl South African Constabulary to Cape Mounted Police and Zululand MR Natal Rebelion 1906) (CMF 2 years)

He shows married with a child on forms.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 April 2012, 08:36:42 am
Mate,

Another of those pre war marrages that were used to bring wife + child back to aussie after the war;

DILWORTH   George Edward   1317   Pte   10 LHR   10R Tos 2-16 to DMC HQ 8-17 to UK leave 5-19 married Elizabeth Jason at Norwood UK 8-12-06 (Boer War Orderly Imperial Yeomanry Hospital Pretoria 3 years)


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 May 2012, 08:21:03 pm

Steve - looks like Russen also had to produce his marriage certificate in order to bring his wife & child back out after the war too.  It kinda looks like she came to Australia to marry him in 1914 & then went back home to England before he enlisted...

There's some diary excerpts of his about the Boer War here: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38171110?searchTerm=alfred charles russen&searchLimits=  if you're interested.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 May 2012, 04:01:59 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays

HICKS   Frederick Robert   1398   Pte   12 LHR   7R tos Dvr 1 sect/5 DAC (1398a) 4-16 to Gnr 54Bty/14 FAB 8-17 WIA 24-4-18 gas near Villers Bretonneux F&B to NME UK motor mechanics married May Rostron at Camberwell UK 29-7-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 May 2012, 01:13:57 pm
Frev,

May need to check this?

DAVIS   William   1947   Pte   11 LHR   12R tos CSqn?/4 LHR (1947a) 3-17 WIA 27-11-18 face accident fell over drunk at Anzac House married Lucy Goddard at Chichester UK 21-2-18


His marage form shows 21-2-18 but recorded on 7-2-19

The problem is a Can't find when he traveled to the UK to be married as his record show no stay there during 1918 or 1919?

Could you be married by proxy in those daysm and did he do that?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 May 2012, 08:41:58 am
Frev,

Another one of those who married a girl with the same name, again cousin or such?

RALSTON   James Alexander   3187   Pte   04 LHR   25R to 4 LH Dtls UK 3-17 to Gnr 55Bty/14 FAB 10-17 WIA 24-4-18 face/eye at Villers Bretonneux F&B to NME UK farming married Mary Ralston at Eastwood UK 12-9-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 May 2012, 06:57:39 am
Frev,

Todays

RILEY   William Robert   1036   Pte   6 LHR   6R Tos 10-16 (G) to Gnr 60Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 WIA 19-7-16 L/thigh at Fromelles - Fluerbaix to 53Bty/14 FAB 1-17 F&B married Beatrice Geenn at Walthamstow UK 4-3-19

Mate another of those married while at Lewes Detn Bks?

RASMUSSEN   Alfred   1618   Pte   05 LHR   12R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 53Bty/14 FAB 3-16 F&B FGCM 30-4-19 AWoL from 20-9-18 to 21-4-19 sentenced 9 months Detn to Lewes Detn Bks 5-19 married Nancy Lane at London UK 9-7-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 May 2012, 05:04:07 pm

Ta Steve - all the latest are new - and I now have 7 soldiers listed who married whilst in detention at Lewes....interesting!
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 May 2012, 05:12:32 pm

Another one of those who married a girl with the same name, again cousin or such?

RALSTON   James Alexander   3187   Pte   04 LHR   25R to 4 LH Dtls UK 3-17 to Gnr 55Bty/14 FAB 10-17 WIA 24-4-18 face/eye at Villers Bretonneux F&B to NME UK farming married Mary Ralston at Eastwood UK 12-9-19


Haven't been able to find a definate connection yet between the 2 Ralston families - although it appears that Mary was born in Lanarkshire, Scotland - which is where James' father came from - so.......

Out of interest - James had just turned 16 when he enlisted in November 1916 - he was born the 21/9/1900 at Euroa - the son of Robert RALSTON & Sarah Ann STEMBRIDGE.

He died 23/2/1953 at Urana, NSW (the area where he farmed after the war) - and is buried in the Lockhart General Cemetery.  (Mary who died in 1990 is buried with him)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 May 2012, 05:34:41 pm
Frev,

May need to check this?

DAVIS   William   1947   Pte   11 LHR   12R tos CSqn?/4 LHR (1947a) 3-17 WIA 27-11-18 face accident fell over drunk at Anzac House married Lucy Goddard at Chichester UK 21-2-18


His marage form shows 21-2-18 but recorded on 7-2-19

The problem is a Can't find when he traveled to the UK to be married as his record show no stay there during 1918 or 1919?

Could you be married by proxy in those daysm and did he do that?

S.B


This one's got me a little 'stumped' at the moment!

The William Davis that married Lucy Goddard was definately in England at the time of the marriage - as his address is shown the same as hers at 2 Chapel St, Chichester - where she had been living most of her life.  They married in the local Parish Church.

However, he is initially shown on the certificate as Cpl William Henry Davis of the AIF - the Henry is then crossed out & the service no. & LH Regt are added later in pen - so I'm wondering whether there was a mix-up. Although I haven't been able to find a William Henry that fits the bill!!

As you say - there doesn't seem to be any way that Davis of the 4th LH was in England - and he was never a Corporal.  However, the age & father's name both fit.  Haven't been able to trace them back in Australia to see if I can 'marry' anything up - but if I have any luck, I'll let you know.

Cheers, Frev
PS. Hope the above makes sense - I know what I mean anyway  ;)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 May 2012, 07:39:36 am
Frev,

Thanks mate,

Todays

SPIER   Leslie John Lawrence   2018   Pte   9 LHR   14R tos Dvr 56Bty/14 FAB 4-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 to 55Bty/14 FAB 1-17 WIA 6-8-17 gas near Ypres F&B to T/Cpl RBAA UK 6-18 to Education Svcs 4-19 married Evelyn Foreman at Warminster UK 26-2-19

and

SWINBURNE   Alfred   242   Dvr   03 LHR   B Sqn (G) to AATD UK 6-16 to 120Bty in UK 10-16 to Gnr 54Bty/14 FAB 1-18 F&B married Gladys Dunthorne at Salisbury UK 25-10-17 AKA Alfred Swinbourne


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 May 2012, 08:28:04 am
Frev,

Todays

VANDENBURGH   Alfred   1341   Pte   6 LHR   10R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 58Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to 53Bty/14 FAB 4-17 F&B married Annie Green at Warwick UK 4-3-19 AKA Alfred Vandenbergh (28 LH CMF 5 years)

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 May 2012, 08:25:38 am
Frev,

Todays I may have given before?

McDONALD   Croxford Cress   1904   Pte   05 LHR   13R tos Dvr 54Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 50Bty/13 FAB 3-16 to 51Bty/13 FAB 12-17 F&B married Edna Foulger in Christchurch UK 8-10-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 11 May 2012, 03:26:38 pm

Thanks Steve - all four are new, including McDonald.
Cheers, Frev  :)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 May 2012, 08:31:56 am
Frev.

No worries

Todays one to check out?

MOORE   David William   235   Pte   02 LHR   A Sqn (G) to 54Bty/14 FAB 4-16 to AProvC MMP 5-16 to AATD Parkhouse UK 10-16 to T/Cpl 12-16 to T/Sgt 5-17 to ER BQMS 7-17 prom 2/Lt 6-18 to 7 MTMB 7-18 to 10 FAB 9-18 F&B RTA via USA at own expence married in UK


No documents of a marrage other then a correction to his NOK (page 1) and gives us;

(Wife)
Mrs RM Moore
28 Penwortham Rd
Chatham Park
SW 16 London

and

REEVE   Nathan   1913   Pte   05 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 54Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to HQ/14 FAB 5-16 to 116Bty/21 FAB 10-16 to 101Bty/1 FAB 3-17 F&B married Ethel Garwood at Edmonton UK 15-3-19


Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 May 2012, 09:27:40 am
Frev,

Todays

DAVIS   Percy Augustus   1606   Pte   6 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 57Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to 8Bty/3 FAB 6-17 F&B to T/Bdr AIF depots UK 7-18 married the widow Ellen Willmott at Staines UK 23-8-19

Notice she is a 22 year old widow?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 May 2012, 03:26:42 pm

Todays one to check out?

MOORE   David William   235   Pte   02 LHR   A Sqn (G) to 54Bty/14 FAB 4-16 to AProvC MMP 5-16 to AATD Parkhouse UK 10-16 to T/Cpl 12-16 to T/Sgt 5-17 to ER BQMS 7-17 prom 2/Lt 6-18 to 7 MTMB 7-18 to 10 FAB 9-18 F&B RTA via USA at own expence married in UK

No documents of a marrage other then a correction to his NOK (page 1) and gives us;

(Wife)
Mrs RM Moore
28 Penwortham Rd
Chatham Park
SW 16 London


Ta Steve - MOORE & REEVE are both new.

David MOORE married Rita May GILL in the Oct-Dec Qtr of 1917 at Wandsworth, she RTA with him (via America, at own expense) on the family ship Osterley, embarking England 10/1/1919.

He followed the occupation of a 'Traveller', and it appears they lived at 3 College St, Manly, NSW, pretty much from their RTA to death.
David died 13/6/1979 NSW, age 87 (Rita had died in 1972)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 May 2012, 03:45:09 pm

DAVIS   Percy Augustus   1606   Pte   6 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 57Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to 8Bty/3 FAB 6-17 F&B to T/Bdr AIF depots UK 7-18 married the widow Ellen Willmott at Staines UK 23-8-19

Notice she is a 22 year old widow?


Another new one ta Steve.

It seems a few of our soldiers married widows (mostly widowed by the war of course!).

Ellen had married Walter Harold WILLMOTT 29/11/1915 in her local Parish Church, at the age of 18 (though she stated she was 21).
They had a daughter born in 1917, and then Walter, who was a Private in the Queen's Own Dorset Yeomanry died the 28/10/1918 - he's buried in the Beirut War Cemetery. [Walter's father was a Farrier Major, also in the Dorset Yeomanry]

Percy & Ellen also had a daughter, born just before they boarded the family ship Bahia Castillo in April 1920 for RTA.

Although he seems to have been very active in his local community on his return, unfortunately he didn't live a long life. 
Percy died 1/8/1928 at the Randwick Military Hospital, age 33 (apparently of TB) - and is buried in the Riverstone Cemetery, NSW.


The Sydney Morning Herald, Tue 14 Aug 1928:
MR PERCY DAVIS
Mr Percy Davis, a well-known resident of Blacktown, died at the Randwick Military Hospital recently.
The late Mr Davis, who was a railway employee, contracted an illness as the result of his war service, and this caused his death.  He took a keen interest in public affairs in Blacktown, and was secretary of the Blacktown School of Arts and Cricket Club, a past-master of Lodge Kildare, M.U.I.O.O.F., and a foundation member of the Blacktown Agricultural Society.
Mrs Davis, two sons, and three daughters survive.


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 May 2012, 08:44:48 am
Frev,

As always very interesting.

Todays

EVANS   Arthur Stokes   253   Pte   6 LHR   B Sqn att GOC's bodyguard 10-15 rtn 11-15 (G) to Gnr 15 BAC 3-16 to Dvr 5 DAC 5-16 to Bdr 11-16 F&B married Annie Jones at Stretford UK 14-2-17 disch in UK 1-4-19

and

SMITH   James    1700   Pte   6 LHR   11R to Gnr/Sig HQ/15 FAB 3-16 to HQ/12 FAB 2-17 to 45Bty/12 FAB 6-17 WIA 9-11-17 gas at Passchendaele F&B married Christina Docherty at Broxburn UK 10-5-18 brother William 35Bn

and

SINCLAIR   John Charles   767   Pte   9 LHR   3R Tos 7-15 to L/Cpl 10-15 (G) to Gnr 59Bty/15 FAB 4-16 WIA 5-8-16 face, chest & L/arm shrapnel at Fleurbaix - Fromelles F&B to AIF depots UK 10-16 to APayC 1-17 to ER Cpl 9-17 to ER 2/Cpl 7-18 to ER Sgt 3-19 to ER S/Sgt 9-19 married in UK?

shown RTA with wife but no details other then a freind Miss Annie Gillies of Glenelg SA but not if she traveled to the UK and they got married?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 May 2012, 02:49:05 pm
Frev,

Todays

O'BRIEN   Thomas Joseph   1081   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC Tos 8-15 (G) to AIF depots UK 2-16 FGCM 6-8-19 AWol sentenced 2 years detn disch SNLR forfit medals married Isabel Gridley in Fulham UK 16-8-17

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 May 2012, 09:29:40 pm

Ta Steve - did already have O'Brien, but the first 3 are new.

Having a bit of trouble pinning down who Sinclair married, as an awful lot of John C Sinclairs married in the UK during the war years!
However, none married (Mrs) Annie Gillies....

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 May 2012, 08:07:43 am
Frev,

Todays

WALKER   Oswald Bruce    743   Pte   6 LHR   2R tos C Sqn D Troop? 5-15 WIA 12-7-15 leg shrapnel reported 4 killed and 9 wounded in demo by Lt Ferguson Troop from Holly Spur (G) to Gnr 60Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to 25 FAB 10-16 to 54Bty/14 FAB 1-17 WIA 9-8-18 face/jaw accident reported rode into wire across the road during operations near Warfusee Abancourt F&B married Anne Myles at Hampstead UK 17-12-15 brothers Harold and Westley 6 LHR

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 May 2012, 10:01:57 am
Frev,

Todays

STANNARD   Norman Joseph   1712   Pte   03 LHR   12R tos Dvr 1 Sect/5 DAC 3-16 WIA 18-2-17 R/thigh at Flers to 49Bty/13 FAB 9-18 F&B married Ethel Petrie at St Giles UK 24-9-18 later WWII


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 May 2012, 09:02:09 am
Frev,

Todays

PIPER   William Henry   1261   Pte   05 LHR   9R att C Troop BSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 Tos 1-16 to Dvr 51Bty/13 FAB 3-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 8-17 married Elsie Easter in Dalston UK 10-7-18 AKA real name William Henry Richards


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 May 2012, 01:54:17 pm

3 more new ones, ta Steve.

Have had a bit of a look at Walker already - was intrigued by the fact that he was wounded twice in accidents - and just thought I'd have a quick look for his death to see if he might have died in an accident after the war (I have many who did!).  Couldn't find a cause of death, but he died 1/7/1951 at Killara, NSW - and was cremated at the Northern Suburbs Crematorium.

Interestingly, it turned out that he married an Aussie - Anne Kathleen MYLES (known as Kathleen) was born in NSW.  Haven't established yet why she was in England in 1915, or whether they knew each other before the war.

Although Walker was born in NSW & died there - he was actually the Station Manager at Cassilis Station, Richmond, Qld before the war, and the couple farmed in Mungindi, Qld after the war until at least 1949.

Just a slight correction - his brothers were Harold & Westby - not Westley (as appears incorrectly on a few records)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 May 2012, 09:08:33 am
Frev,

Yes its some thing I've been doing for some time, recording accidents where they put soldiers in hosp for some time, although not recorded as wounds, they are wound like, so I record them as, wounded in accident (WIA), which is the same as, wounded in action (WIA),  but always shown as accident to separate the two, my bad or what.

Todays

TREE   Edgar Clifford   1124   Pte   9 LHR   8R Tos 10-15 (G) to Gnr 15 BAC 3-16 to 49Bty/13 FAB 2-17 to Bdr 10-18 F&B married Elizabeth Parker at Kirby UK 24-3-19

S,B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 25 May 2012, 02:21:21 pm

Steve - I was confused by the fact that Walker had first been wounded in a 'demo' - it was only after I got around to looking up the war diary to see if I could ascertain those killed - that I realised I was thinking of the wrong sort of 'demo'!

Thanks for Edgar Tree - another new one.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 May 2012, 07:35:45 am
Frev,

Yes sorry about that, demo or demonstration, was a type of attack used to decive the enemy, in this case a Troop size attack by Lt Ferguson's Troop.

Todays

MASON   Sydney Arthur   1347   Pte   7 LHR   10R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 5 DAC 8-16 F&B married school teacher Lilian Kemp at Long Eaton UK 9-4-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 May 2012, 08:26:14 am
Frev,

Todays

STEWART   John Peter George   1852   Pte   13 LHR   10R to 13 LH Dtls UK 11-16 to 1 Anzac LHR 3-17 rtn CSqn?/13 LHR 1-18 F&B married Isobel Moyle at Lambeth London UK 20-7-19

This one shows change of NOK to wife and disch in UK (possibe another wife who didn't want to leave home?) but no marrage forms?

THODEY   Alfred   1821   Pte   13 LHR   10R to 13 LH Dtls UK 12-16 to Spr 1 Div Sig Co 8-17 F&B married in UK disch in UK 28-3-19

and;

TOLLIDAY   Leslie Alfred   1907   Pte   13 LHR   11R to 13 LH Dtls Tidworth UK 11-16 to 1 Anzac LHR 2-17 to 58Bn 10-17 F&B married Caroline Lamb at Portsmouth UK 1-1-18 Ex RAN boy 1 class HMAS "Cerberus" disch misconduct 3-5-15

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 May 2012, 05:35:56 pm

Thanks Steve - these are all new.

Alfred THODEY married Elizabeth May Martin Drummond WRIGHT-NEVILLE on the 12th Nov 1917 at St Barnabas Church, St Paul’s Wimbledon Park, London.

They had returned to Australia by 1921 (at which stage he applied for a refund of their passage money) - and they had a son born in Melbourne in the June of 1921 (he served in WW2).

The Thodey's lived in Camberwell - where Alfred was listed as a Merchant.
He died in Camberwell in 1963, age 82 - and Elizabeth who was 12 years younger than him, died in 1989 at the ripe old age of 96.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 May 2012, 03:25:24 pm
Frev,

This may interest you.

ALFORD   Kenneth Fitzgerald   211   Cpl   6 LHR   B Sqn to Sgt 7-15 prom 2/Lt A Sqn 11-15 (G) att AASC Supply sect 3-17 to Hosp guard 14 AGH 4-17 att AProvC Cairo 8-17 disch 26-4-18 MU TB married Nurse Sister Elsie Wildash 14 AGH

RTA 15-2-18 died 13-12-58

WILDASH   Elsie Caroline       Nurse   1 AGH   1-6 Special R to 14 AGH 5-17 disch 3-4-18
RTA 14-2-18

No date of marrage, but its posible her return around the same date they must have meet in the 14 AGH and rRTA on the same ship? or shortly after they returned?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 31 May 2012, 04:26:42 pm

It does indeed interest me thanks Steve - 'cos (so unlike me  :D), I'm also building a list of Nurses that married Soldiers on return to Aus.

They may have met at the 14th AGH, or she may have nursed him when they both returned on the Ulysses 15/2/1918 - 18/3/1918; but they didn't actually get married until the 24/2/1920 at Roseville, NSW.

Amazingly, Elsie lived for 30 years after her husband's death - dying in 1988 at the incredible age of 102!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 June 2012, 09:07:35 am
Frev,

No worries always happy to help.

Todays

No marrage form only change of NOK and a mention in docs about over staying marrage leave 31-5-17?

ZOLLNER   Allen Edgar   1474   Pte   02 LHR   11R att B Troop ASqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Gnr 5 DAC 4-16 to 25 MG Co 10-17 to 5 MG Bn 1-18 F&B disch 30-11-18 MU married Renee in UK 5-17

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 June 2012, 06:47:08 pm
Frev,

Todays

BRUCE-DRAYTON   George Arthur Hungerford   1679   Pte   28Bn   2R Tos BCo 12-15 (G) to L/Cpl 5-16 WIA 7-5-16 face & hands shrapnel in Bridoux salient reported WIA 29-7-16 leg & PoW 29-7-16 in 7 Bde attack on OG lines near Pozieres F&B repat to UK 12-18 to APayC AIF depots UK 2-19 to ER Cpl 5-19 married Ethel Abraham at Newport Ise of Wright 17-9-19 (25 LH CMF 1 year)

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 June 2012, 09:23:13 am
Frev,

Strange one, no documents other then change of NOK?

BRUCE   John Campbell   1972   Pte   6 LHR   13R Tos 1-16 to 13 FCE 3-16 WIA 30-7-16 R/arm & shell shock shrapnel clearing road between Albert to Pozieres F&B disch 4-6-17 married Alma in Glasgow Scotland (British Cpl 18th (Queen Mary's Own) Hussars 4 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 03 June 2012, 04:57:29 pm
No marrage form only change of NOK and a mention in docs about over staying marrage leave 31-5-17?

ZOLLNER   Allen Edgar   1474   Pte   02 LHR   11R att B Troop ASqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Gnr 5 DAC 4-16 to 25 MG Co 10-17 to 5 MG Bn 1-18 F&B disch 30-11-18 MU married Renee in UK 5-17

Ta Steve - a new one.

He married Renee WILLARD in May 1917 at Wandsworth, but haven't been able to find anything else on her, so don't know if she followed him out or not.
She definately wasn't with him from 1930 on - he was living Ayr, Qld 1968, but haven't established death details.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 03 June 2012, 05:05:08 pm


BRUCE-DRAYTON   George Arthur Hungerford   1679   Pte   28Bn   2R Tos BCo 12-15 (G) to L/Cpl 5-16 WIA 7-5-16 face & hands shrapnel in Bridoux salient reported WIA 29-7-16 leg & PoW 29-7-16 in 7 Bde attack on OG lines near Pozieres F&B repat to UK 12-18 to APayC AIF depots UK 2-19 to ER Cpl 5-19 married Ethel Abraham at Newport Ise of Wright 17-9-19 (25 LH CMF 1 year)


Another new one thanks Steve - and one of many repatriated POWs that married in England.
Haven't yet established whether she came to Australia or not, but if she did, she returned to England (where she died)

My file in case any of it is of interest:


BRUCE-DRAYTON, George Arthur Hungerford
Born 1897 Coolgardie – (only) son of Edward Bruce DRAYTON (Major, R.H.G. & N.W.M.P. – d.1923) & May Isabelle WRAGGE
[Birth reg. under Drayton]

Porter
25th LH, CMF (12mths)

WW1: Cpl 1679, 28th Bn (2nd R) / AA Pay Corps; enlisted 23/6/1915 – embarked 23/7/1915 on A64 Demosthenes
Served Gallipoli for short time before evacuation
POW, Germany – captured 29/7/1916 France – repatriated Dec 1918, arriving England 30/12/1918
Attached to Pay Corps, 1919 England

Married Ethel Minnie ABRAHAM 17/9/1919 in the Parish Church, Newport, Isle of Wight, England
[Ethel b.1888 Isle of Wight – daughter of Ernest James & Elizabeth Jane (Lightfoot)]
[Ethel d.1961 Isle of Wight]

He RTA on Friedrichsruh 22/1/1920 – no mention of wife accompanying him in either Service Record or newspaper passenger list
On his own in ERs from 1931

Member (& Secretary) of Perth Rifle Club

Died 14/1/1965 Como, WA
Buried Karrakatta Cemetery

From Steve:
BRUCE-DRAYTON George Arthur Hungerford 1679 Pte 28Bn 2R Tos BCo 12-15 (G) to L/Cpl 5-16 WIA 7-5-16 face & hands shrapnel in Bridoux salient reported WIA 29-7-16 leg & PoW 29-7-16 in 7 Bde attack on OG lines near Pozieres F&B repat to UK 12-18 to APayC AIF depots UK 2-19 to ER Cpl 5-19 married Ethel Abraham at Newport Ise of Wright 17-9-19 (25 LH CMF 1 year)

The West Australian, Tue 26 Sept 1916:
WAR CASUALTIES
Major and Mrs Bruce-Drayton, Bunbury, have been notified from the Base Records, Melbourne that their only son, Lance-Corporal George A.H. Bruce-Drayton, has been reported missing since July 29, in France.  Lance-Corporal Bruce-Drayton joined the 2nd reinforcements of the 28th Battalion early in June 1915, at the age of 18.  He left for the front in July, went through the school of instruction in Heliopolis, was promoted to sergeant, and granted a signaller’s certificate.  He was told that owing to his age he could not be given a commission.  He was in the trenches at Gallipoli for some months, and at the evacuation.  Like a number of others, he was obliged to revert to private on arriving in France.  He was there wounded on May 9, and went into hospital.  Returned to duty on May 24, rejoined his unit, and was again promoted to lance-corporal on May 30.  He is a smart youngster, of great promise and splendid physique, standing 6ft 4½in in his stockings on joining.

The West Australian, Thur 28 Sept 1916:
WAR CASUALTIES
Mr and Mrs John Sinclair, Carey-street, Bunbury, have received a postcard from their son, Wisbey, previously reported missing, saying that Lance-Corporal George Bruce-Drayton, of Bunbury (also reported missing), and himself, are prisoners of war in Gottingen, Germany.

The Daily News (Perth), Mon 19 Feb, 1917:
The “Southern Times” says that Sergeant George Bruce-Drayton, whose present address is Barracke 7, Kriegsgefangenenlazarett, Gottingen, writing to his parents, Mr and Mrs E. Bruce-Drayton, “Carib Lodge,” King’s road, Bunbury, says: - “I am in the best of health now, and am fit, and my wounds are all quite well now.  The days are very cold now, and the snow is falling near by, but no very heavily just yet.  There isn’t much to say, as everything is so dull in hospital, or in a prison camp.  All the Englishmen have gone to another camp, and only we hospital staff are left.  Please do not worry, as I am perfectly happy here, although a wounded prisoner of war.  Have any amount of clothes and food, so I am O.K.  I am working in the hospital here.  Find all Germans whom one is working with very decent men, and especially the staff doctor, who does everything he can for the wounded men.  I cannot write all my friends, much as I would wish to.”

Sunday Times (Perth, WA), Sun 19 Jul 1925:
Mr G. Bruce-Drayton, who for the past eight months has been in the railway service at Goomalling, has been promoted to Kondinin.

Sunday Times (Perth, WA), Sun 11 Apr 1954:
S. PERTH RETAIN LEAD IN SHOOTING
South Perth No. 2 retained the lead in the Musgroves handicap teams shoot when the second stage was fired over the 500 yards range at Swanbourne and Bushmead rifle ranges yesterday.
……………………………………………………………………
Many others registered possible but probably the most meritorious one was that of veteran and ardent Perth Club secretary, George Bruce-Drayton.  He put the lot “in” on his second visit to the mound.
One of the most generous and hard working marksman in the movement throughout the State, Bruce was the recipient of many congratulations on his sterling performance.
…………………………………………………………………….



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 03 June 2012, 05:09:50 pm

Strange one, no documents other then change of NOK?

BRUCE   John Campbell   1972   Pte   6 LHR   13R Tos 1-16 to 13 FCE 3-16 WIA 30-7-16 R/arm & shell shock shrapnel clearing road between Albert to Pozieres F&B disch 4-6-17 married Alma in Glasgow Scotland (British Cpl 18th (Queen Mary's Own) Hussars 4 years)


Steve - in this case, he married in Australia in 1915 (Alma Frances KERR) - most likely between enlisting & embarking - the change of NOK gives her address as N. Sydney.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 June 2012, 06:56:01 am
Frev,

Sorry not much time lately for reseach but this week end should get something done, but most of these men served in Egypt/Palestine so didn't get much chance to meet girls and marry?

This bloke it appears married a Nurse before he embarked.

BROUGHTON   Cecil Carlyle   2879   Pte   7 LHR   20R tos 2 LH MGS 12-16 WIA 27-3-17 heat stroke at 1st Gaza rtn 8-17 to AIF Canteens 8-18 to ER Cpl 11-18 to T/Sgt 1-19 to UK leave married Nurse Sister Helen Coast Hosp Little Bay NSW 1916

So may not be of use only interest. It took my interest as I also use to take out a nurse from Little Bay Hosp and remember the drive there and the area, and she almost caught me , but duty called that was that.

There must have been a number of men from this Reinforcement that married before embarking, I was going to check them all out to see?

BUCKLAND   Arthur Roy   2874   Pte   7 LHR   20R tos 2 LH MGS 10-16 to L/Cpl 1-17 to instructor Imperial School of Instr Zeitoun 3-18 to T/Cpl 9-18 rtn 7 LHR 6-19 later WWII

he married Dorothy from Woolarah in Sydney before the boat left.

Check out page 9 of this man's file, list 317 2 MD;

COHEN   Arthur Edgar Stanley   2899

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 June 2012, 03:43:02 pm

Hi Steve - all very interesting - especially the bit about you almost being 'caught' by a nurse  ;) - I wonder what she's doing now!??
Sadly I already had the men from the list in Cohen's file.
Hope you've found some time to get back to your research.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 June 2012, 09:45:44 am
Frev,

Yes, having been wounded and injuried a number of times during my service, so I also had a number of Nurse friends, and yes I've often wondered what happened to them, say la vive or say la guarre

Just to confuse you I've often wondered if most of the men who discharge in the UK was because of women?

I did find this man;

HIPGRAVE   Albert   2873   Pte   04 LHR   20R to CTU ICC 12-16 rtn 04 LHR 6-17 to B Sqn (B) T/att 11 LHR 10-18 to UK leave disch UK 21-10-19 married in UK after disch

He mentions this as one of a number of reasons for his disch.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 June 2012, 02:14:12 pm

I've often wondered if most of the men who discharge in the UK was because of women?


Probably quite a few of them would have been, but I'd be more inclined to think that the majority of the 4,000 or so who did, were probably those born there, and decided to stay & spend some time with their families.  There'd also be a few who were born in Aus who stayed because of educational & employment prospects.
I've come across quite a few who initially discharged in the UK, and then return to Aus (on troopships) 1920/21.
Somebody may do a 'study' on it one day.  :)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 June 2012, 07:58:28 am
Frev.

Sorry but almost all the soldiers I 've been checking served in Egypt/Palestine so never got a chance to meet girls and marry?

I do have a strange one which I am unsure when he married?

COHEN   Edward Charles   2813   Pte   7 LHR   19R tos Sig 2 LH MGS 9-16 att 7 LHR 2-18 rtn 3-18 to T/Sig/Cpl 7-18 revert 9-18 married Louis Delpratt 27-8-18

The date is the change of address but it appears he married at home either before embarking or by proxy?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 July 2012, 03:01:44 pm

Hi Steve - no need to be sorry - you've already added so much to the database as it is!

The change of NOK details for Edward Cohen are actually for his sister - it was she that married in 1918, not him.

Will be off the air for the rest of July, just incase you find anymore 'marriages' during that time - will catch up with them next month.

Keep on researching, Frev  :)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 July 2012, 09:34:00 am
Frev,

Of the over four hundred records I've checked in the last two weeks this is the first shown as married, but a good one;

BLAKE   Charles John   3230   Pte   05 LHR   26R tos Dvr AASC HQ Aust MDT 8-17 att 4 LH Bde 3-18 to 35Co AASC AMDT 4-18 to 37Co 4-19 to 38Co 6-19 to UK leave married RAF Cpl Bertha Mainstone at Iron acton UK 13-8-19

I did notice she calles her self Cpl in the RAF, I thought it may have been WRAF or something like that?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 July 2012, 08:33:03 am
Frev,

Hope all is well.

Found this bloke with little details

BEAVIS   John Harold   52546   Wo1   A.Clerical Unit   1R tos AAOC clerk AIF HQ UK 6-18 to Audit Sect 1-19 prom 2/Lt DADOS AAOC UK 2-19 married in UK (PMF later WWII )

One of his forms show a change of NOK to wife Mrs Beavis in Cardiganshire Wales

Another with one form only change of NOK

BROOKES   Charles James      Lt   1 Sqn AFC   B Flight (pilot) to FO 7-16 to 36 HAG 1-17 to 54 Siege Bty 10-17 to Orderly officer 36 HAG 5-18 prom Capt 3Bty/1 FAB 11-18 MC - for his actions as FOO during 1918 F&B married in UK (PMF 4 years)


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 July 2012, 03:38:16 pm
Frev,

One you may not have, but married after the war, while still in the UK at Miltary Collage.

Again another Nurse,

WOOTTEN   George Frederick      Lt   1Bn   MG Sect to 3Bn MID - for his work on Anzac (G) prom Capt Staff Capt 8 Bde HQ prom Maj to GSO 5 Div HQ to Bde Maj 11 Bde 11-16 DSO MID - for his work to date 5-3-17 att 9 Bde HQ 3-18 MID - for his work with 9 Bde 3-18 Brevet Major F&B to Staff College Camberley UK 3-19 married Nurse Muriel Bisgood in UK 3-1-20 (RMC 1911 PMF to LtCol 21 LH 1937 later WWII 2/2Bn to Maj Gen 9th Div HQ CB CBE DSO + bar DSC (USA)

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 August 2012, 07:07:42 am
Frev,

Todays

ELLIOTT   Alec Austin    3473   Pte   02 LHR   30R Tos 4-18 att 1 LH Bde HQ 7-18 to NME UK concrete married Litz Eddolls at Wantage UK 27-5-19 (British Cycle Corps TA to Singapore Vol Artillary 4 years) (AFA CMF 1 year)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 August 2012, 01:50:01 pm

Of the over four hundred records I've checked in the last two weeks this is the first shown as married, but a good one;

BLAKE   Charles John   3230   Pte   05 LHR   26R tos Dvr AASC HQ Aust MDT 8-17 att 4 LH Bde 3-18 to 35Co AASC AMDT 4-18 to 37Co 4-19 to 38Co 6-19 to UK leave married RAF Cpl Bertha Mainstone at Iron acton UK 13-8-19

I did notice she calles her self Cpl in the RAF, I thought it may have been WRAF or something like that?



Hi Steve – I see you’ve been busy while I’ve been away......400 plus records in two weeks – phew!

Thank you for the BLAKE marriage – yes, it turns out that Bertha joined the WRAF in January 1918.
She and Charles were born & raised in the same Parish in England, so would have known each other, & were possibly even sweethearts before he first came out to Australia – especially when you consider that they married within a month of him taking his Leave in the UK.
They were living in Kalbar, Qld in 1958, and Charles died 23/11/1959, with Bertha joining him a couple of years later.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 August 2012, 01:52:32 pm

Found this bloke with little details

BEAVIS   John Harold   52546   Wo1   A.Clerical Unit   1R tos AAOC clerk AIF HQ UK 6-18 to Audit Sect 1-19 prom 2/Lt DADOS AAOC UK 2-19 married in UK (PMF later WWII )

One of his forms show a change of NOK to wife Mrs Beavis in Cardiganshire Wales

Another with one form only change of NOK

BROOKES   Charles James      Lt   1 Sqn AFC   B Flight (pilot) to FO 7-16 to 36 HAG 1-17 to 54 Siege Bty 10-17 to Orderly officer 36 HAG 5-18 prom Capt 3Bty/1 FAB 11-18 MC - for his actions as FOO during 1918 F&B married in UK (PMF 4 years)



BEAVIS & BROOKES are also new ta.

John BEAVIS married Mary Hilda EVANS in the Apr-Jun Qtr of 1919 at Aberayron, Cardiganshire, Wales (both John & Mary were Welsh)
Although John enlisted in Melbourne – the couple lived in Sydney after RTA, later moving to Perth in 1930/31.  He died there 14/12/1956 and was cremated at Karrakatta Cemetery (his ashes scattered in the cemetery).  Mary returned to Wales the following year.

Charles BROOKES married Sibyl Madelon EDWARDS in the Nov-Dec Qtr of 1917 at Devonport, England.  He’s an interesting one – having been one of the early pilots to gain his wings at Point Cook (Vic) in 1915.
The couple were living in Fremantle in 1925 (he still listed as a soldier), but eventually moved to NSW – were they were both still alive & living at Tuggerawong in 1980.

Cheers again, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 August 2012, 01:54:53 pm

One you may not have, but married after the war, while still in the UK at Miltary Collage.

Again another Nurse,

WOOTTEN   George Frederick      Lt   1Bn   MG Sect to 3Bn MID - for his work on Anzac (G) prom Capt Staff Capt 8 Bde HQ prom Maj to GSO 5 Div HQ to Bde Maj 11 Bde 11-16 DSO MID - for his work to date 5-3-17 att 9 Bde HQ 3-18 MID - for his work with 9 Bde 3-18 Brevet Major F&B to Staff College Camberley UK 3-19 married Nurse Muriel Bisgood in UK 3-1-20 (RMC 1911 PMF to LtCol 21 LH 1937 later WWII 2/2Bn to Maj Gen 9th Div HQ CB CBE DSO + bar DSC (USA)


Thanks also for George Wootten – an interesting life by all accounts.  Although there’s a lot written about him, can’t find much on Muriel, but it seems she may have been too young to be a qualified nurse during the war – but most likely worked as a VAD – will keep looking….

ELLIOTT is also new ta.

Cheers for now, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 August 2012, 02:17:19 pm
Frev,

Nice to see your back.

Todays a strange one?

BARRETT   James William   Dr   Maj   1 AGH   prom LtCol 5-15 disch UK 28-2-16 to British Army to LtCol ADMS RAMC Egypt KBE CB CMG remarried in UK born 27-2-1862 son Keith 2 FAmb KIA

His file page 40 reported his discharge due to marrage.

So that may mean his remarrage as he already had a son Keith who died during the war.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 August 2012, 07:39:31 am
Todays

Another Doctor

ABBOTT   Nigel Basil Gresley   Dr   Capt   AAMC officers   tos 2 ASH 12-16 to 2 LHFA 6-17 to RMO RHQ/6 LHR 12-17 rtn 2 LHFA 1-19 to NME UK medical married Bessie Alcock at Lyons Tower Hertford UK 21-6-19 born in California USA

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 18 August 2012, 02:03:10 pm
Frev,

Nice to see your back.

Todays a strange one?

BARRETT   James William   Dr   Maj   1 AGH   prom LtCol 5-15 disch UK 28-2-16 to British Army to LtCol ADMS RAMC Egypt KBE CB CMG remarried in UK born 27-2-1862 son Keith 2 FAmb KIA

His file page 40 reported his discharge due to marrage.

So that may mean his remarrage as he already had a son Keith who died during the war.

Cheers

S.B

Hi Steve

I think you'll find that that one entry re his marriage is a clerical error.
Sir James Barrett's life is well documented - see ADB on-line: http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/barrett-sir-james-william-64
 
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 18 August 2012, 02:05:50 pm
Todays

Another Doctor

ABBOTT   Nigel Basil Gresley   Dr   Capt   AAMC officers   tos 2 ASH 12-16 to 2 LHFA 6-17 to RMO RHQ/6 LHR 12-17 rtn 2 LHFA 1-19 to NME UK medical married Bessie Alcock at Lyons Tower Hertford UK 21-6-19 born in California USA

Cheers

S,B

Thanks for this one Steve - for your interest there's a fascinating letter written by him about some of his exploits, here: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60366643?searchTerm="nigel abbott"&searchLimits=l-decade=191

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 August 2012, 09:48:44 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays another Doctor (I am checking Doctors at the present) married in Egypt but I am unsure who the girl is, nurse or civilian?

FAIRLEY   Neil Hamilton   Dr   Capt   14 AGH   4R Tos 10-16 to Anzac Field lab 9-17 prom Maj 1-18 OBE & MID - for his work in Bilharzia married Violet Phillips in Abbasiya Egypt 12-2-19 prom T/LtCol 6-19 to NME UK medical divorced 21-11-24 (CMF 14 months later WWII Bde Gen Sir DMS LHQ to MacArthur's HQ SWPA CBE & MID - for his services during the war KBE (1951) the Order of St John (1947)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 August 2012, 08:42:25 pm

Hi Steve

Neil Fairley is from one of my original research projects (the men listed on the Inglewood Memorial) - so I have a lot of information on him, and can tell you that Violet was indeed a nurse.

She was a member of the AANS & also served at the 14th AGH in Egypt from 1917 until their marriage - which as you already know, sadly ended in divorce.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 August 2012, 09:33:35 am
Frev,

Sorry mate busy at present but caught up this week end.

Here's one that is not about a marrage but another of your lists?

LAMBERT   Henry Arthur Leslie   Dr   Hon/Lt   8 Bde HQ   HQ ADentC to 2 ASH 2-16 t/att 3 AGH 2-16 to 7 Dent Unit 2 LHFA 7-16 prom Hon/Capt 12-16 att 3 LHFA 1-17 prom Capt 4-17 to 71 Dent unit 14 AGH 7-17 att 2 LHFA 2-18 rtn 4-18 to 16 Dent unit DMC rest camp 7-18 att 104 Dent unit Aust MD HQ 8-18 att 73 & 97 Dent Unit at Ludd 10-18 to 109 Dent unit 14 AGH 4-19 to UK leave RTA via USA at own expence relist Lt Dentist RAN reported died in accident reason not stated DoA 2-8-24?

He appears to have joined the RAN (Navy) in 1920 after his RTA via the USA, he is shown on Navy records as dieing from an Accident but not what or how?

One for your special talents.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 August 2012, 10:37:05 am
Frev,

For interest

DENNY   William Joseph      Lt   9 LHR   15R Tos 1 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 att HQ 1 Div 5-17 WIA 15-9-17 R/arm shrapnel at Clapham Junction near Ypres & MC - for his actions under fire with pack transport at Clapham Junction near Ypres 15-9-17 to Repat Sect AIF HQ UK 12-17 prom T/Capt 4-18 prom Capt 9-18 F&B RTA via USA married Winefride Leahy in Adelaide 15-1-20 Ex E Sqn LH depot prom 2/Lt 17-1-16 MHA gained Adelaide for Labor 1905 attorney-general and minister for the Northern Territory 1910-12 rtn MHA 1924 to 1933 author "The Diggers" 1919 and "A Digger at Home and Abroad" 1942

and

LEAHY   Henry George   Dr   Capt   14 AGH   HQ to 3 LHFA 1-17 to RMO Inf Camp 5-18 rtn 14 AGH 7-18 to 4 LHFA 9-18 to Med sect AIF HQ 12-18 prom T/Maj 2-19 to NME UK medical married Nellie Mckenna at Kensington UK 24-10-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 August 2012, 02:06:57 pm

LAMBERT   Henry Arthur Leslie   Dr   Hon/Lt   8 Bde HQ   HQ ADentC to 2 ASH 2-16 t/att 3 AGH 2-16 to 7 Dent Unit 2 LHFA 7-16 prom Hon/Capt 12-16 att 3 LHFA 1-17 prom Capt 4-17 to 71 Dent unit 14 AGH 7-17 att 2 LHFA 2-18 rtn 4-18 to 16 Dent unit DMC rest camp 7-18 att 104 Dent unit Aust MD HQ 8-18 att 73 & 97 Dent Unit at Ludd 10-18 to 109 Dent unit 14 AGH 4-19 to UK leave RTA via USA at own expence relist Lt Dentist RAN reported died in accident reason not stated DoA 2-8-24?

He appears to have joined the RAN (Navy) in 1920 after his RTA via the USA, he is shown on Navy records as dieing from an Accident but not what or how?


Hi Steve - thank you for Henry Lambert - I've added him to the Accidental Deaths database - another sad ending.
Following are the details of his death from the newspapers.
Cheers, Frev

The Argus (Melb), Wed 6 Aug 1924:
DEATHS
LAMBERT – On the 2nd August 1924, Henry Arthur Leslie, beloved son of Thomas and Gwenllian Lambert, of 27 Malvern grove, Caulfield, brother of Dr T. Lambert, Mrs Vincent, Stella Lambert, Mrs Tucker and Mrs Morris.
LAMBERT – On the 2nd August 1924, at Jervis Bay (result of an accident), Henry Arthur Leslie Lambert, D.D.Sc. (Melb), Surgeon Lieut, R.A.N., formerly captain of A.I.F., aged 40 years.

The Argus (Melb), Sat 9 Aug 1924:
DEATHS
LAMBERT – On 2nd August 1924, at Jervis Bay, Sydney, Henry Arthur Leslie Lambert, husband of Stella Gladys lambert, of Voltaire, Fitzroy street, St Kilda.

Singleton Argus (NSW), Thur 7 Aug 1924:
TRAGEDY AT JERVIS BAY
DENTIST FALLS OVER CLIFF
A fall of 50ft down a cliff face at Jervis Bay on Saturday caused the death of Henry Arthur Leslie Lambert, a dental surgeon.  He had been visiting the Royal Australian Naval College with Rev L.H. Henderson, chaplain, and proceeded to the old lighthouse site, on the south head of Jervis Bay, intending to take some photographs from the heights of the cliffs.  A strong gale was blowing at the time.
When near the cliffs, Henderson cautioned Lambert to be careful, and Lambert replied that he was all right.  He proceeded only a few yards, when he stumbled and fell over the cliffs, a distance of about 50ft.  Henderson worked his way down the cliffs, and found Lambert badly injured and unconscious.  He did what he could to relieve the injured man, and then ran back to the college, about six miles distant, for help.
When a rescue party arrived, about dusk, no sign of Lambert could be seen.  Early on Sunday morning another rescue party went from the college, and, after a search, found Lambert’s body some distance from where it had fallen, in a crevice of the rocks.
Deceased was about 40 years of age and was married.  His people live at Caulfield, Victoria.

The Argus (Melb), Thur 7 Aug 1924:
PERSONAL
The remains of the late Surgeon-Lieutenant Henry Arthur Leslie Lambert, R.A.N., were buried with naval honours yesterday afternoon, the funeral leaving the residence of his parents, 27 Malvern grove, Caulfield.  The firing party and buglers were supplied by the Flinders naval base, and the Naval Band and a number of men attended from the Port Melbourne depot.  The body was carried on the gun carriage drawn by bluejackets, and on the coffin were the dead officer’s cocked hat and sword.  The interment took place in the Church of England portion of the Brighton cemetery, Chaplain C. Hudson and the Rev H.G. Robinson conducting the service.  Chaplain W.H. Henderson was also present from the Jervis Bay Naval College.  The funeral arrangements were carried out by A.A. Sleight Proprietary Limited.



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 August 2012, 02:14:42 pm

LEAHY   Henry George   Dr   Capt   14 AGH   HQ to 3 LHFA 1-17 to RMO Inf Camp 5-18 rtn 14 AGH 7-18 to 4 LHFA 9-18 to Med sect AIF HQ 12-18 prom T/Maj 2-19 to NME UK medical married Nellie Mckenna at Kensington UK 24-10-19


Special thanks also for the above.  Nellie McKenna turned out to be an AANS nurse, and one I didn't yet have recorded as married overseas.  :)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 September 2012, 07:51:07 am
Frev,

Sorry mate been in Canberra for a week and then busy at work last week.

No time to do this untill this weekend.

Another for your lists;

IRWIN   Thomas Edward William Waddell      Capt   01 LHR   B Sqn prom Maj OC 10-14 (NP) (G) RTA MU enteric reemb 16R to 1 double Sqn 6-16 tos OC B Sqn 7-16 MID & Croix de Guerre (F) - for his work during Romani operations Aug 1916 WIA 9-1-17 R/shoulder shot rushing a trench at Rafa MID - for his work between Sept 1917 to March 1918 to T/LtCol 10-18 recom MID - for his work between Sept to Dec 1918 married Laura Rankin at The British Consulate at Port Said 6-7-18 (OC BSqn 31-3-13 CMF 11 years) AKA Thomas Edwin William Waddell Irwin

Who she or where she came from is not shown?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 18 September 2012, 08:54:58 pm

Thanks for this latest marriage Steve.

Margaret Laura RANKEN was in fact an Australian, born into an old NSW pioneer family - but I haven't yet been able to establish whether she travelled to Egypt simply to marry Thomas IRWIN, or whether she was there serving the war effort in some capacity.  (She wasn't a member of either the Australian or British Nursing Services)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 October 2012, 08:23:09 am
Frev,

Cheers mate, its been some time but I ve been locked out of this site after I forgot my password.

Any way check out the file of this soldier, what a read of interest is a nurse mentioned in the note on pages 10 to 12 who looked after Billinton.

Anyway its full of all things including wanting to be discharged in the UK to be marriedm even if that didn't happen.

BILLINTON   Robert   1531   Pte   01 LHR   12R to AATD UK 5-16 to Gnr 4 DAC 9-16 to 37Bty/10 FAB 12-16 WIA 29-9-17 head, L/arm & R/hand reported 1 Sgt killed and 14 men wounded when area straffed by bombs in air attack near Ypres at Polygon Wood F&B disch 7-9-18 blind both eyes scattered L/arm and R/hand (CMF 12 years)

Another for you,

FORD   Albert Edward   1725   Pte   01 LHR   12R tos Anzac Police AProvC 4-16 to Gnr 119Bty/12 FAB 10-16 to 2 sect/1 DAC 5-17 to 6Bty/2 FAB 8-17 F&B married Agnes Duce at Brixton UK 24-12-18 Ex 11R/7 LHR (1479) DNE

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 October 2012, 09:27:44 am
Frev.

Unsure about this one?

He shows no marriage on all doc's but does on his BF 103 as now married?

One for your talents

BUTLER   Cecil Clarence   1534   Pte   01 LHR   12R tos Gnr 3 Sect/5 DAC 3-16 to Bdr 5-16 T/att 18Co AASC 1-18 to A/Sgt 12-18 revert Cpl 3-19 F&B possibly married in UK? (ASqn CMF 4 months)

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 October 2012, 10:04:55 am
Frev,

And;

CONYNGHAM   Garnet   1602   Pte   01 LHR   12R tos Dvr 2 DAC 3-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 3-19 married Frances Buckingham in Haverstock Hill London UK 26-7-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 October 2012, 06:53:11 am
Frev.

LIVINGSTONE   Charles Henry Wesley Richard    1893   Pte   01 LHR   13R tos 5 DAC 4-16 to 5 Div Cyc Co 5-16 to 2 Anzac Cyc Bn 5-16 to XXII Corps Cyc Bn 1-18 to Aust Corps Cyc Bn 1-18 F&B to 2 AAuxH Southall UK 11-18 to AAMC 3-19 married Mary Hanlon at Uxbridge UK 4-1-19

COX   Rayden Kelso   1949   Pte   01 LHR   13R tos Gnr 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 T/att USA 30 Div 10-18 F&B married Jesse Kennedy at Bute Scotland 28-6-19 later WWII

ARMITAGE   Walter Emanuel   1838   Pte   01 LHR   13R tos Gnr 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 to Dvr 7-17 to Bdr 3-18 F&B to AIF depots UK 12-18 to T/Sgt 4-19 to ER Sgt 8-19 married Ammo worker Jesse Maclean at Edinburgh Scotland 22-2-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 05 October 2012, 02:10:09 pm

Any way check out the file of this soldier, what a read of interest is a nurse mentioned in the note on pages 10 to 12 who looked after Billinton.

Anyway its full of all things including wanting to be discharged in the UK to be marriedm even if that didn't happen.

BILLINTON   Robert   1531   Pte   01 LHR   12R to AATD UK 5-16 to Gnr 4 DAC 9-16 to 37Bty/10 FAB 12-16 WIA 29-9-17 head, L/arm & R/hand reported 1 Sgt killed and 14 men wounded when area straffed by bombs in air attack near Ypres at Polygon Wood F&B disch 7-9-18 blind both eyes scattered L/arm and R/hand (CMF 12 years)

Another for you,

FORD   Albert Edward   1725   Pte   01 LHR   12R tos Anzac Police AProvC 4-16 to Gnr 119Bty/12 FAB 10-16 to 2 sect/1 DAC 5-17 to 6Bty/2 FAB 8-17 F&B married Agnes Duce at Brixton UK 24-12-18 Ex 11R/7 LHR (1479) DNE


Thanks Steve

Already had Albert Ford & Robert Billinton certainly is an interesting case - might have to look into his story a little deeper (you know me and curiosity  ;) )

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 05 October 2012, 02:15:23 pm
Frev.

Unsure about this one?

He shows no marriage on all doc's but does on his BF 103 as now married?

One for your talents

BUTLER   Cecil Clarence   1534   Pte   01 LHR   12R tos Gnr 3 Sect/5 DAC 3-16 to Bdr 5-16 T/att 18Co AASC 1-18 to A/Sgt 12-18 revert Cpl 3-19 F&B possibly married in UK? (ASqn CMF 4 months)

Cheers

S,B

Steve

I can't find any mention of Butler being married in his records??
There's no record of him marrying in the UK registers either.
He did however marry back home in Australia in 1921.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 05 October 2012, 02:19:18 pm
Frev.

LIVINGSTONE   Charles Henry Wesley Richard    1893   Pte   01 LHR   13R tos 5 DAC 4-16 to 5 Div Cyc Co 5-16 to 2 Anzac Cyc Bn 5-16 to XXII Corps Cyc Bn 1-18 to Aust Corps Cyc Bn 1-18 F&B to 2 AAuxH Southall UK 11-18 to AAMC 3-19 married Mary Hanlon at Uxbridge UK 4-1-19

COX   Rayden Kelso   1949   Pte   01 LHR   13R tos Gnr 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 T/att USA 30 Div 10-18 F&B married Jesse Kennedy at Bute Scotland 28-6-19 later WWII

ARMITAGE   Walter Emanuel   1838   Pte   01 LHR   13R tos Gnr 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 to Dvr 7-17 to Bdr 3-18 F&B to AIF depots UK 12-18 to T/Sgt 4-19 to ER Sgt 8-19 married Ammo worker Jesse Maclean at Edinburgh Scotland 22-2-19

S.B

Ta Steve - these three are all new.
Did already have Conyngham (from the post above them)

Thanks again for all your additions to the database  :)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 October 2012, 07:35:45 am
Frev.

No worries mate.

Lately I've been checking LH men who didn't get a chance to meet girls and marry, while these last Reinforcements appear to have gone to France so had more chances of marring.

Todays

NICHOLAS   Frank   1947   Pte   01 LHR   13R To AATD UK 6-16 to Gnr 1 Sect/1 DAC 12-16 to Gnr/Sig 101Bty/1 FAB 11-17 WIA 18-3-18 gas & MM - for his actions under fire with Gnr's Schmidt & Woodington at Norfolk Ridge near Ypres Cannal 17/18-3-18 F&B married Laura Salter at Melksham UK 2-5-17

and, I think I ve given this bloke before?

MILLER   Harry Roy   2053   A/Cpl   01 LHR   14R tos Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 4-16 recorded WIA 1-11-17 reported WIA 31-10-17 L/shoulder bomb in Flieger Abteilungen air attack around Zonnebeke F&B married Marion Moore in Bath UK 2-2-18

SANDERS   Philip   2124   Pte   01 LHR   14R tos S/Smith 10 BAC 4-16 to 4 DAC 5-16 WIA 31-10-17 R/shoulder & leg bomb reported 6 men WIA and 13 mules killed when three German planes dropped bombs in Flieger Abteilungen air attack on HQ and 1 sect at Bussedcom near Passchendaele F&B married Mary Brodrick at Blackpool UK 14-4-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 October 2012, 01:02:40 pm
Frev,

Todays

TERRY   John   2254   Pte   01 LHR   15R Tos 4 Pnr Bn 5-16 F&B married Florence Barnes at Devonport UK 26-2-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 October 2012, 04:29:30 pm

Thanks Steve - yes, you had already given me Harry Miller - but the other other 3 are newbies, ta.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 October 2012, 09:22:17 am
Frev,

Sorry but again most of the blokes have served in Egypt and Palestine.

This man shows a change of NOK to wife Mrs R Rix of Weymouth UK dates differ from April and May 1918.

RIX   Edward   1721   Pte   01 LHR   11R tos Dvr 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 F&B married in UK 17-4-18? Ex 9R/7 LHR (1263) DNE


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 October 2012, 12:01:31 pm
Frev.

Todays

JAMES   Alfred   1248   Pte   01 LHR   9R Tos 1-16 att WFF to Dvr 1 Sect/2 DAC 3-16 to 11Bty/4 FAB 10-17 F&B to NE UK married Beryl Baker in St Pancras UK 29-9-19 Ex ECo AN&MEF (508) to Rabaul disch 4-3-15

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 23 October 2012, 03:09:38 pm

Ta Steve - both of these are new.

Edward RIX married Ruth RUSSELL on the 7/7/1917 in the Parish Church of St John's, Waterloo Rd, London.

Can't find any record of her coming to Australia - and he appears to have 'remarried' later - but can't find any record of that either!?

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 October 2012, 07:06:50 am
Frev,

Todays

No surname shown for wife, see page 3 for this mans record

BRAY   William Henry   1202   Sig   01 LHR   8R tos 11-15 (G) to ER Cpl APayC London UK 9-16 to T/Sgt 2-17 to ER S/Sgt 3-18 brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services married Daphne in London UK 18-6-17 later WWII Capt VDC

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 30 October 2012, 01:29:22 pm

Ta for William BRAY, Steve

He married Keziah Daphne Elsie BATES 18/6/1917 at Christchurch, Paddington, England.  They came to Australia together on the Wahehe 10/5/1919 (along with his mother-in-law).
William died 31/8/1968 St Leonards, NSW & Keziah Daphne died 1/8/1975 Manly.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 October 2012, 07:33:04 pm
Frev,

Todays

JOHNSTON   Allan Charles   5950   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8895) 20Co AASC 2 Div Trn tos 9-15 (G) T/att 105Bty/5 FAB 5-16 att 6 FAmb 10-17 att 16Co AASC 1-18 rtn 2-18 T/att 12Bty/4 FAB 10-18 F&B married Beatrice Tye at Southfields Wandsworth UK 15-1-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 November 2012, 12:44:29 pm
Ta Steve - another new one  :)
Cheers Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 November 2012, 08:13:41 am
Frev,

No surname for wife, as no doc's other then change of NOK.

SMITH   Herbert William James   630   Pte   01 LHR   1R tos Sig RHQ? 2-15 (P) (G) to Sig ACo/2Bn 9-16 F&B killed in 1 Bde attack on Hermies held by the German 3Bn/362nd Regt 4th Ersatz Div buried Hermies British Cemetery France married Dorothes at London UK 1-1-16

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 November 2012, 02:28:30 pm

Hi ya Steve

This is a sad one - with a little girl who never got to know her father!

Herbert SMITH married Dorothea Maud CURTIS in the December Qtr of 1915 at Croydon in Surrey - and they had a daughter Molly born in the Sept Qtr of 1916.

Dorothea remarried in 1919 & had more children, so at least young Molly grew up in a family atmosphere...

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 November 2012, 09:56:01 am
Frev,

Another of those rare men married in Egypt, little details but?

McCARTNEY   Andrew   178   Pte   02 LHR   A Sqn (G) to records sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ 8-15 to Cpl 12-15 to A/Sgt 5-17 married Margherita in Cairo Egypt

disch in Egypt 31-8-19

He mentions he took his disch in Egypt because his wife was ill and to start a busness there after the war?

and

TAYLOR   Arthur John   1787   Pte   02 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to MG Sect/05 LHR (1790) 1-16 to 12 MG Co 8-16 to 4 MG Bn 5-18 WIA 24-4-18 gas near Pont Noyelles F&B married Helen Gasson at Grantham UK 11-11-16

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 November 2012, 09:42:40 am
Frev.

Todays

LONG   Thomas James   1017   Pte   02 LHR   2R failed to emb relist AKA as James Owens 8R/25Bn (3605) tos 2 Pnr Bn 3-6 WIA 5-8-16 R/leg shrapnel reported while working on the Centre Way and Toms Cut at Pozieres to 2 MG Bn 6-18 F&B married Emily Goodliff at Lambeth London UK 8-1-19

Another Egyptian marraige

STEELE   Arthur Beevor      Lt   02 LHR   C Sqn att RE Dept of Works Egypt 5-15 rtn prom Capt C Sqn 9-15 att Director of Works Anzac Corps 9-15 (G) rtn prom Maj OC C Sqn 5-16 to Staff OD Works 6-16 to Director of Works CRE Cairo 1-17 to Director of Railways 12-17 to ESO Havre 1-19 F&B to NME UK 3xMID - reasons not stated Royal Humane Bronze medal - for his actions in attempt to save a drowning man in the Nile River 4-11-16 married Ellen in Cairo Egypt 4-17 (2/Lt 27 LH 1912 to A&I Staff CMF 3 years)

shown married in Egypt in April 1916 to the daughter of a British Civil Service man in Egyptian Service, they had a daughter aged two in 1919 when he took his discharge to pay there RTA at own expence.

There are a number of documents in his file about this.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 November 2012, 09:20:17 am
Frev,

Todays

WYLIE   Alfred Leonard   1115   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC to 3Co 12-15 att Comp AASC 12-15 to 5 Div Trn 3-16 to 5 Fld Bky 4-16 to 3 MG Co 8-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 12-16 to APostC ABPO London 9-17 married Ann Brown at Wandsworth UK 17-10-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 November 2012, 01:53:18 pm

Many thanks Steve - all these latest additions are new to the database.

Andrew McCARTNEY married Margherita ACCO on the 4/5/1918 at the British Consulate in Alexandria, Egypt.  They appear to have had a few children in Egypt, but eventually returned to Qld, where Andrew died 16/7/1949, and is buried in the South Brisbane Cemetery.

As you say, lots of interesting detail in the file of Arthur STEELE - he remained in England, where he died in 1980 in Kent.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 November 2012, 08:55:15 am
Frev

No marrage doc's in file but a form for RTA on the "Ceramic" with wife?

KERRIGAN   William Emanuel   2352   Pte   02 LHR   16R tos Dvr 4 DASP 6-16 to 2 DASP 10-16 rtn 4 DASP 11-16 to 1 DASP 1-17 to 4 DAC (2352a) 4-17 F&B married in UK Ex 12R/02 LHR (1610) DNE

disch in UK 25-10-19 RTA 12-3-20

For your special touch.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 November 2012, 12:51:44 pm
Frev,

Todays

BATESON   Robert William   2010   Pte   02 LHR   14R tos Gnr 7Bty/3 FAB (2010a) 8-16 F&B married Georgana Varey at Burley UK 24-12-18


DANIELS   Adolphus John   2026   Pte   02 LHR   14R Tos 4 DASP 6-16 to "K" CAP 2-17 to 6 BA Park Sect 6-17 to 4 MTCo 10-18 to Aust Corps MTCo 1-19 F&B AKA Daniells married WRAF? Mabel Cautle at Bristol UK 6-5-19

she is shown living at the officers mess HQ WRAF Sth Farnbouough UK (page 5 of service record), but marrage form makes no mention of her being in the WRAF, possibly mess orderley?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 November 2012, 07:12:04 am
Frev,

Todays

LEWIS   George Norman   2055   Pte   02 LHR   14R tos 4 Div Cyc Co 4-16 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 7-16 to Gnr 2 DAC 2-18 to Bdr 5-18 F&B born Wales married Sarah David at Brigdend Wales 26-4-19 brothers Arnold + William 2 LHR

And

BARRAM   Cecil   2098   Pte   02 LHR   14R to AATD UK 7-16 to 119Bty/12 FAB 10-16 to Dvr 2 Sect/2 DAC 5-17 to 105Bty/5 FAB 9-17 F&B to NME UK farming married Lucy Westlake at West Ham UK 31-8-19 brothers William and Frank 2 LHR

and, as happened so often married the young Widow Frances Gibb;

DENT   Bertie   1861   Pte   02 LHR   13R tos Gnr 5 DAC 4-16 to 4 DAC 4-17 to 41Bty/11 FAB 4-17 rtn 4 DAC 12-17 F&B married Frances Gibb at Appleby UK 19-2-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 November 2012, 04:03:17 pm
Frev

No marrage doc's in file but a form for RTA on the "Ceramic" with wife?

KERRIGAN   William Emanuel   2352   Pte   02 LHR   16R tos Dvr 4 DASP 6-16 to 2 DASP 10-16 rtn 4 DASP 11-16 to 1 DASP 1-17 to 4 DAC (2352a) 4-17 F&B married in UK Ex 12R/02 LHR (1610) DNE

disch in UK 25-10-19 RTA 12-3-20

For your special touch.

S.B


Hi Steve - this is a new one ta.

William KERRIGAN married Doris CLARKE in the Dec Qtr of 1919 at Bath.
Sadly this marriage had it's problems, and after having 3 children, Doris had to go to court looking for child support in 1928 - unfortunately this was still unresolved in 1931.  Still more to look into....

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 November 2012, 04:09:45 pm
Frev,

Todays

BATESON   Robert William   2010   Pte   02 LHR   14R tos Gnr 7Bty/3 FAB (2010a) 8-16 F&B married Georgana Varey at Burley UK 24-12-18


DANIELS   Adolphus John   2026   Pte   02 LHR   14R Tos 4 DASP 6-16 to "K" CAP 2-17 to 6 BA Park Sect 6-17 to 4 MTCo 10-18 to Aust Corps MTCo 1-19 F&B AKA Daniells married WRAF? Mabel Cautle at Bristol UK 6-5-19

she is shown living at the officers mess HQ WRAF Sth Farnbouough UK (page 5 of service record), but marrage form makes no mention of her being in the WRAF, possibly mess orderley?

S.B

2 more new ones ta Steve.

It seems Mabel's surname was actually CANTLE (not Cautle, as transcribed on the marr cert) - she joined the WRAF a couple of months before they married - but without accessing her service record, don't know what her position was - though your guess is a pretty good one.  :)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 November 2012, 04:11:55 pm
Frev,

Todays

LEWIS   George Norman   2055   Pte   02 LHR   14R tos 4 Div Cyc Co 4-16 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 7-16 to Gnr 2 DAC 2-18 to Bdr 5-18 F&B born Wales married Sarah David at Brigdend Wales 26-4-19 brothers Arnold + William 2 LHR

And

BARRAM   Cecil   2098   Pte   02 LHR   14R to AATD UK 7-16 to 119Bty/12 FAB 10-16 to Dvr 2 Sect/2 DAC 5-17 to 105Bty/5 FAB 9-17 F&B to NME UK farming married Lucy Westlake at West Ham UK 31-8-19 brothers William and Frank 2 LHR

and, as happened so often married the young Widow Frances Gibb;

DENT   Bertie   1861   Pte   02 LHR   13R tos Gnr 5 DAC 4-16 to 4 DAC 4-17 to 41Bty/11 FAB 4-17 rtn 4 DAC 12-17 F&B married Frances Gibb at Appleby UK 19-2-19

S.B

Thanks also for all 3 of these Steve - all new as well.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 November 2012, 07:37:26 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays

BATSON   David George   1556   Pte   02 LHR   12R Tos 2 DAC 3-16 to 19Bty/22 FAB 1-17 to Gnr 10Bty/4 FAB 1-17 F&B married Lottie Hart at Tunbridge Wells UK 6-8-19

and

HAYES   Harry Thomas   1595   Pte   02 LHR   12R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 5 Pnr Bn 4-16 F&B married Norah Daly at Killarney Ireland 29-7-19 AKA Henry Thomas Hayes

and

LEWIS   Thomas Arthur   1772   Pte   02 LHR   12R Tos (AProvC) MMP 4 Div HQ 3-16 to MMP Groom 1 Anzac Corps HQ 7-16 to Dvr 2 DAC 8-16 F&B married Dorothey Phipp at Harlesden UK 10-3-19 brothers George & Richard 2 LHR


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 November 2012, 08:51:45 am
Frev,

Todays

DALE   Alfred   1401   Pte   02 LHR   11R att B Troop BSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to 13 Trg Bn at Codford UK 1-17 to T/Cpl AAMC 12 Trg Bn at Codford UK 4-18 married Gertrude Gingell at St Martin Bristol UK 27-4-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 November 2012, 06:51:11 am
Frev,

One to check his change of NOK records wife Violet Harris Bearwood Birmingham UK 24-1-18, but when married and where no record?

HARRIS   Henry Edward   1424   Pte   02 LHR   11R Tos 1-16 att WFF to 1 LHFA 2-16 to 3 AGH 10-16 to 3 FAB 5-17 WIA 7-5-17 L/arm & leg near Hermies F&B rtn 02 LHR 6-18 WIA 26-8-18 crushed toe accident married Violet in UK

and

HELLIS   Harry   1430   Pte   02 LHR   11R att B Troop ASqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Dvr 3Sect/5 DAC 4-16 F&B married Henriatta Fleurs in Leytonstone UK 27-2-18 disch in UK 1-4-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 27 November 2012, 12:01:35 pm

Thanks Steve - all of the above are new ones.
Haven't found any record of the marriage between Henry & Violet Harris as yet....
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 November 2012, 07:34:02 am
Frev

check list 331 page 14 of this mans file;

MAY Robert George   2429

and list 334 page 20

McELROY   William   2414


S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 November 2012, 01:55:13 pm

Thanks Steve - these are actually both the same list!  But unfortunately I already have it  :(
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 November 2012, 09:12:46 am
Frev,

Sorry about that.

Todays no marriage form only a change of NOK

REILEY   Edward   2072   Pte   02 LHR   14R Tos 4 Div Cyc Co 4-16 to 5 Div Cyc Co 7-16 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 7-16 to L/Cpl BCo/13Bn 12-16 WIA 4-2-17 R/shoulder shot in raid on Stormy trench near Flers disch 17-12-17 MU married in UK AKA Edward Rieley

and

MAJOR   Harold Sherlock   49   Pte   AAMC Dtls   to 1 AGH 12-15 to 3 LHFA 1-16 att medic 8 LHR (49a) 1-16 to 4 LHFA 2-17 to 14 AGH 9-17 to NME UK wool married Helene Fremondeau at Richmond UK 22-10-19 author "Fat Lamb Raising" 1941 brother John AAMC


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 December 2012, 07:11:11 am
Frev,

Todays

MILLIGAN   Joseph Garfield   1940   Pte   02 LHR   13R tos Gnr 2 sect/5 DAC (1940a) 4-16 F&B married Ada Trent at Whitechapel 20-10-18

and

NOLAN   Walter   1897   Pte   02 LHR   13R tos Dvr 43Bty/11 FAB 4-16 F&B to AAOC Millwall UK 12-18 married Jessie Marshall at Glasgow Scotland

and

ROWBOTHAM   Louis Gordon Tackey   1911   Pte   02 LHR   13R tos Dvr 4 DAC (1911a) 10-16 to 38Bty/10 FAB 7-17 WIA 29-6-18 chest reported battery position shelled during night around Fouilly F&B married Sarah Whitehead at Bolton UK 1-3-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 December 2012, 07:51:21 am
Frev

Todays

STOCKHILL   Bernard Clarence   1655   Pte   02 LHR   12R tos 4 Div Cyc Co 4-16 to (AProvC) MMP 4 Div HQ 5-16 att T/Cpl 15 Bde HQ 6-16 to 12 Bde HQ 10-16 to BHQ/47Bn 2-18 WA 5-4-18 face/R/eye in German attack at Dernancourt to BHQ/45Bn 6-18 WIA 18-9-18 gas in 12 Bde attack at Le Verguier F&B married ammo worker Robina Barrie at Edinburgh Scotland 14-8-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 December 2012, 04:09:25 pm
Frev,

Todays while not married they may have been after he sent for her?

TAYLOR   Alfred   1430   Pte   13 LHR   7R tos Dvr 2 Sect/2 DAC 3-16 F&B RTA MU

Application for free passage to the commonwealth for Miss Peggy Jamieson, fiancee of ex no 1430 Drv Alfred Taylor, 2nd DAC

For your interest?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 December 2012, 08:00:40 pm

Thanks as always Steve - all of the above are new to the database.

Edward RIELEY married Eleanor Rose TAYLOR 13/8/1917 Fareham, Hampshire, England.
She came to Australia in early 1919 on the Miltiades - but seems to have returned to England at some stage, where she died in 1945.

Alfred TAYLOR did marry his fiance in 1921 in Victoria, and they lived in Brunswick until his death in 1936. [Her full name being Margaret (Peggy) Fordyce JAMIESON]

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 December 2012, 07:58:07 am
Frev,

No worries mate as always very interesting.

Todays

SHORT   William   1452   Pte   02 LHR   11R att B Troop ASqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Dvr 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 to Bdr 8-17 F&B married Elizabeth Edwards at Okehampton UK 22-3-1894

The marrage form shows the above marrage date but also dated 5-3-19

I am sure the marrage date is incorrect and could possibly be the same as whats dated?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 December 2012, 01:52:51 pm

Steve - this one certainly had me going for a while!!

Turns out the marriage date is actually correct - turns out not to be a copy of certificate of marriage for William.....but for his parents!!!!!
(They married in the year he was born - you'll note the name John was originally written & then crossed out & replaced with William - & Elizabeth Ann Edwards is his mother)

Why he's presented it to the army will probably never be known??
But if he did actually marry in England - it had to be between 15/2/1919 & the 31/3/1919 when he embarked to RTA. (or before 5/3/1919 when his parent's certificate was copied!)

William Short is a pretty common name - but there was only one (that fits) that married in the Mar Qtr of 1919 - and he married Harriet Jane HALCROW at Sth Shields.  (She was born in Sth Shields in 1900 & died there in 1968 - & can't find anything to suggest she came to Australia...so...)

Will let you know if I come up with anything else.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 December 2012, 06:28:08 am
Frev,

Your right a strange one indeed?

I look forward to what you find.

Todays

REGAN   James Felix   1202   Pte   02 LHR   8R Tos B Sqn 10-15 (G) att WFF to Gnr 43Bty/11 FAB 4-16 to 1 DAC 11-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 11-17 to Cpl 11-18 married Fanny Childs at Aston UK 2-1-19 (Boer War 6 QIB (272)

and, one I've given before?

MORRIS   Victor Edward   930   Pte   02 LHR   5R tos A Sqn 8-15 (G) to LH Dtls UK 8-16 to 7 Trg Bn (25Bn) UK 9-16 to 31Bn (930a) 10-16 F&B to MG Bn Dtls UK 9-18 married Agnes Ruffhead in Paddington UK 14-4-16


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 December 2012, 07:30:06 am
Frev,

Another given before?

NOLAN   James   884   Pte   02 LHR   4R to 5-15 tos 8-15 (G) to Dvr 44Bty/11 FAB 4-16 to 43Bty/11 FAB 10-17 F&B to AIF depots UK 9-18 married Clerk GPO Engr office Hilda Vowles in Lambeth UK 4-1-17

cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 08 December 2012, 11:37:59 am

Thanks Steve - Regan is new to the database - but yes, you'd already given me Morris & Nolan.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 December 2012, 08:03:39 am
Frev,

Sorry about that but they showed up when I was going threw my lists of 2 LHR married soldiers, posted just in case.

Todays only a change of NOK?

PORTER   Leonard   733   Pte   02 LHR   2R to L/Cpl MG Sect 2-15 to T/Cpl C Sqn? 12-15 (G) att WFF to Cpl to B Sqn 6-17 to Sgt D Troop? 5-18 married Louise in UK (4 IR 2 years to MG Sect CMF 1 year)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 December 2012, 07:57:11 am
Frev,

Here's another one, just incase.

SNELL   Arthur Alfred   765   Pte   03 LHR   3R Tos A Sqn 8-15 (G) att WFF to Dvr 6-16 to SHQ/1 LH MGS 7-16 att Anzac MDT 4-17 rtn 9-17 to NME UK engineer married Mary Sweet in Kelvinside Maryhill Scotland 15-9-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 December 2012, 08:10:51 am
Frev,

Not married but for another of your lists, do you have this man?

ROONEY   John   2716   Dvr   1 Div Trn   1R (1Co AASC) att BSqn/04 LHR 4-15 (G) to Comp AASC 12-15 att WFF to 1 DBD 6-16 F&B accident reported died of knife wounds from quarrel outside Etaples camp buried Camiers Road Cemetery to Etaples Military Cemetery France

Caterer   23   Redfern NSW   and NOK Liverpool UK

Enlist 7-9-14   DoA 4-7-16   

Shown DOW but also as accident

No other details I could find about this case?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 December 2012, 04:41:04 pm

Todays only a change of NOK?

PORTER   Leonard   733   Pte   02 LHR   2R to L/Cpl MG Sect 2-15 to T/Cpl C Sqn? 12-15 (G) att WFF to Cpl to B Sqn 6-17 to Sgt D Troop? 5-18 married Louise in UK (4 IR 2 years to MG Sect CMF 1 year)


Thanks Steve, Porter is new.  He married Louise WEAVER in the Jan-Mar Qtr of 1917 at Grimsby, England.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 December 2012, 04:44:28 pm

Steve - yes, you'd already given me Arthur Snell.  And I already have John Rooney in my Accidental deaths database, but unfortunately I haven't been able to find anymore detail on the incident either.   :(
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 December 2012, 02:15:04 pm
Frev,

Todays

McINTYRE   Andrew Thomas   529   Pte   04 LHR   C Sqn (G) to MG Trg depot UK 11-16 to 22 MG Co 7-17 F&B to AF depots UK 11-1 disch 17-8-18 MU married Ethel Keys at Grantham UK 9-1-17 reported died from war service died 23-3-36 brothers Alex and Hector 4 LHR

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 December 2012, 01:31:20 pm

Ta Steve - McIntyre is new.

Wishing you a safe & happy Christmas
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 December 2012, 07:49:48 am
Frev,

List 303 1 MD

See service record

DEAN   William Walter   2166   Pte   04 LHR

Can I also add my best wishes to you and your family for Christmas and the New Year.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 December 2012, 09:10:09 am
Frev,

I have been dicussing this man on Bill site?

SIMPKIN   Norman Travers   279   Sgt   02 LHR   B Sqn WIA 7-8-15 neck at Quinns Post (G) disch to British Army prom 2/Lt 2a Res Bde RFA Preston UK later British War Mission to USA married Gladys Frazer in Eastbourne UK April/ May / June 1916 died TB at Fairmont Hosp San Francisco USA DoD 18-8-19 buried Colma (Cypress Lawn) Memorial Park USA father William helped Thomas Edison (British 2/Lt 1/3rd (City of London) Battalion (Royal Fusiliers) 2 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 December 2012, 02:35:01 pm
Frev,

For interest

ROZYNSKI   Oscar Ernest   3638   Pte   04 LHR   28R tos B Sqn? 9-17 (B) att batman to Div Salvage officer AMD HQ 9-18 married Lelia in Aust died at Melbourne East Vic AKA Oscar Ernest Von Rozynski

It appears he must have married soon after his return, as he appears to have died in 1921 on a Soldier Settlement?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 December 2012, 11:11:08 am
Frev,

Todays

CROSS   Charles Frederick   246   Dvr   04 LHR   B Sqn remain Egypt to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to L/Cpl 12-16 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 att 49 Div 3-18 revert Pte 7-18 WIA 25-8-18 R/buttock shot reported during fighting around Mametz F&B to 13 LH Dtls UK 12-18 to APayC AIF HQ UK 1-19 to ER 2/Cpl 9-19 (CMF) married Dorothy Ashton at Wandsworth UK 13-12-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 December 2012, 07:59:24 am
Frev,

Todays , an Happy New Year

MARKUS   Henry James Theodore   1896   Pte   04 LHR   13R tos D Sqn 3-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 1 Anzac LHR (13 LHR) 8-16 WIA 1-10-17 minor possibly hit by shell or when att 2 Div by bomb in Flieger Abteilungen air attack at Polygon Wood to batman to Maj Mitchell BHQ/28Bn 5-18 rtn 13 LHR 10-18 F&B married Jennie Worswick at Manchester UK 26-4-19 later WWII brother George 4 LHR

Anoher I think given before?

MOULSDALE   Charles   1906   Pte   04 LHR   13R tos D Sqn 3-16 to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att AA Sect 7-17 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 att 49 Div 3-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B married Janet Brackenridge in Glasgow Scotland 21-1-19 (C Troop BSqn CMF 1 year)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 31 December 2012, 01:39:47 pm

Hi ya Steve - hope your Christmas was as enjoyable as mine.....and that you're relaxing a little over the holiday period!

Of the above, SIMPKIN & MARKUS are new to the database, thank you.

All the best for a safe & happy New Year's
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 December 2012, 05:06:32 pm
Frev,

Another possible marrage after RTA, as theres a note in his file about a ship for his intended from Scotland.

ROBERTSON   William Daniel   1935   Pte   04 LHR   13R tos Dvr 2 DAC 3-16 to 12Bty/4 FAB 11-17 F&B

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 January 2013, 02:58:04 pm
Frev,

Todays

VAFIOPULOUS   John Leslie Lancelot   1689   Pte   04 LHR   12R tos B Sqn 1-16 to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att AA Sect 3-17 att AA Sect 5-17 WIA 7-6-17 L/shoulder reported shot at Messines F&B to AIF depots UK 9-17 to AAOC Codford UK 11-18 married Annie Cantrill at Stoke on Trent UK 14-2-19 (ASqn CMF 2 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 January 2013, 04:40:17 pm
Frev,

Todays

SHERWEN   Samuel Sharp   1522   Pte   04 LHR   11R Tos B Sqn 1-16 to D Sqn 3-16 to 2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att CRE Armentieres 9-16 att NZ Div 4-17 att VIII Corps 5-17 to 58Bn 9-17 F&B married Jeanne McFarlane at Liverpool UK 26-2-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 January 2013, 09:34:24 am
Frev,

Todays

SARGENT   Percy Samuel   562   Pte   9 LHR   MG Sect (G) to C Sqn 4-16 to L/Cpl 2-17 WIA 19-4-17 head shot at 2nd Gaza to Cpl 8-17 to Sgt 4-18 to UK leave married Frances Mount at Lambeth UK 15-5-19 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 05 January 2013, 01:14:42 pm

Thanks Steve - SHERWEN & SARGENT are new to the database.
Have VAFIOPULOUS already - he actually married on 18/8/1918, not 14/2/19 (that was when the MCert was copied for the records).
His details from my database, in case any of it is of interest:

VAFIOPULOUS, John Lancelot Leslie (Lance, Les) – Pte 1689, 4th LH

Born 1895 Bendigo – son of Constantine George (Miner) & Isabella BASSETT, who married in 1891 – George died 1907, Isabella remarried in 1908 to T.W. DAVIES
Siblings:  Constantine George b.1892 Bendigo – 17th LH (3mths) – enlisted AIF 6/5/1916, discharged 24/6/1916 MU; Lilian Isabel b.1897; Harry Andrew b.1900-d.1901; Doris Irene b.1902; Harold b.1904
Half siblings (Davies): Thomas William b.1910; Margaret Letitia b.1912

Occupations: Engine Driver (pre-war); Bread Carter, Storeman (post-war)
Served 17th (Prince of Wales) LH Regt, Bendigo (2 yrs)

WW1: Pte 1689, enlisted 6/7/1915, and sailed with the 12th Reinforcements of the 4th LH Regt on board the A40 HMAT Ceramic, embarking 23/11/1915
TOS & posted to B Sqdn 2/1/1916 Heliopolis
Proceeded to join BEF in France, embarking 21/3/16 at Alexandria & disembarking 27/3/16 Marseilles
Adm No. 3 Fld Amb 28/4/16 with Traumatic Synovitis – tsfd to Div Rest Station 2/5/16, then disch 3/5/16
TOS 1st A&NZ Mounted Regt 13/5/16 – tsfd to 2nd Anzac Mtd Regt 7/7/16
Detached for duty with Anti-aircraft Sect, 2nd Anzac HQ 29/3/1917 – 11/4/17 – and again 5/5/17 – 25/5/17
Wounded in action 7/6/1917 (GSW left shoulder), adm 77th Fld Amb / 11th CCS / 112 Amb Tn – adm 83rd Gen Hosp, Boulogne 8/6/17 – tsfd to England 14/6/17 on the HS St Patrick
Adm Eastbourne Military Hosp 15/6/1917 – disch to Weymouth on furlough 12/9/17
TOS of No. 2 Com Depot, Weymouth 16/9/17 – tsfd to No. 1 Com Depot, Sutton Veny 2/11/17 – M/I again from furlough 29/11/17
M/O to O/S Tng Bde, Longbridge Deverill 12/12/1917 – then to Candahar Barracks, Tidworth 21/12/17
AWL 21/3/18 – 22/3/18, AWL 28/8/18 – 3/9/18
M/O for duty with AAOC 29/11/1918
AWL 15/1/19 – 18/1/19, AWL 20/6/19 – 23/6/19

Married Annie Elizabeth (Nancy) CANTRILL 18/8/1918 Wellington Church, Stoke-on-Trent, England [Born 1898 Cheadle, Staffordshire – daughter of Leonard (Grave digger) & Mary Elizabeth]
RTA together with son, J.L.L. on the Canberra 23/7/1919 – 11/9/1919

Children: John Leslie Victor b.13/3/1919 Stanley, Stoke-on-Trent – married Ruth Louise - served WW2 – d.3/10/1947, age 28 (reg. 1948 Geelong)

Electoral Rolls:
1924 ER: 61 Harold St, Auburn (Bread carter)
1931 ER: 9 Fairfield Ave, Camberwell (Bread carter)
1936, 1943 ER: 14 Glencairn Ave, Camberwell (no occup shown) (1943 listed on his own)
1949 ER: 327 High St, Golden Square (Bendigo) (Storeman)
1954 ER: 172 Panton St, Golden Square (Storeman)
1963, 1968 ER: 102 Panton St, Golden Square (Storeman)
1972 ER: 13 Newbigin St, Burwood (on his own, no occup)

Annie died Jan 1969 Bendigo, age 70, and is buried at the Bendigo Cemetery

Died 22/11/1975 (reg 1976 Hampton, Vic), age 80, and is buried with Annie at the Bendigo Cemetery


Bendigonian, Mon 24 Jan 1916:
TROOPER L VAFIOPULOUS

“I have arrived safely in Egypt”, writes Trooper Lance Vafiopulous, of the 12th reinforcements, 4th Light Horse Regiment, to his mother at Junortoun.  “I had the time of my life,” he continues.  “We did not call at any port until we reached Suez.  Here we remained for two days, but were not allowed to go ashore.  We left there on 15th December, and came right up the Suez Canal to Port Said.  It was a lovely sight all along the canal.  After the boat had coaled, we left, and sailed round to Alexandria, where we arrived on Sunday morning about 9 o’clock.  We remained on the boat until 3 o’clock on Monday morning, when we disembarked.  We then took the train to Heliopolis.  I can tell you I was sorry when the time came to leave the boat.  She is the best transport that Australia has.  I met a number of mates on it, there being about 200 Bendigo boys.  I have been in Cairo twice, but I don’t think I will go in there again for a while, for it is the worst place I was ever in.  But there are some fine buildings.  The No. 1 General Hospital is the largest hospital in the world.  My mate is a Bendigo boy, named Peel, a brother to the saddler, in Hargreaves-street.  I am spending Christmas in Egypt.”
In a subsequent letter Trooper Vafiopulous states: - “I am having a great time over here, meeting old mates every day.  The weather is just like the summer in Australia, the days being warm and the nights cold.  As yet we have not got our horses, but we go into the desert every morning and afternoon for dismounted drill.  Our officers and sergeants are just the thing; in fact, we could not wish for better.  During Christmas we had a look through the Zoo, and viewed two of the punts in which the Turks tried to cross the Suez Canal last year.  On Boxing Day we went out to the Pyramids, and ascended to the top, 400ft high.  We had a native with us as a guide, and he explained all about them.  Other places of interest were also visited.  We all received a ‘billy’ from Australia for a Christmas box.  Mine came from Queensland, and it was just the thing.  We welcomed them and wish to thank the people of Australia for their kindness.”

The Argus, Mon 6 Oct 1947:
DEATHS
VAFIOPULOUS
– On October 3 (suddenly), John Leslie Victor, dearly loved husband of Ruth Louise, 14 Glencairn avenue, Burwood, and loved son of Les & Nancye Vafiopulous (Bendigo), aged 28 years.


Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 January 2013, 01:09:13 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate, Todays

This maybe interesting as he records as single but this marrage form shows married in 1913?

For your telents

UNSWORTH   Scarlett   815   Pte   04 LHR   3R Tos 4-15 tos B Sqn 11-15 (G) to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att AA sect 10-16 F&B deserted 31-8-17 arrested 8-7-18 FGCM 12-7-18 sentenced 2 years HL to HM Prison Wandsworth 15-7-18 forfited medals married Margaret Livsey at Burnley UK 3-11-13 (British 158Bty RFA TA) later 22 FAB 1930 father in 163Bty RFA British Army

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 January 2013, 06:56:21 am
Frev,

Todays

McCALLUM   James Gordon   465   Pte   04 LHR   C Sqn to Cpl 1-15 (G) prom 2/Lt 57Bn 4-16 att 15 Trg Bn UK 2-18 rtn 10-18 F&B to DAD Railway Transport 1-19 to RTO Waterloo 1-19 to NME UK engineering married Honora Stanley at London 28-9-18

And

McKAY   Kenneth   300   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn to L/Cpl 8-15 (G) to A/Cpl AProvC Tidworth UK 8-16 to Cpl 1-17 to ER Sgt 10-18 married Vera Evans at Melkham UK 30-6-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 January 2013, 09:41:51 am
Frev,

Todays

WATHEN   Angus   571   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn (G) to 1 Anzac LHR 9-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 to L/Cpl 6-18 F&B married Gertrude Jackson at Milcombe UK 7-12-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 January 2013, 07:24:16 am
Frev,

An interesting one for you?

See letter in pages 5 & 6 of this mans record?

DALLIMORE   Walter Edwin   2458   Pte   04 LHR   17R Tos 8-16 (B) married Nurse Beatrice ? after RTA (CMF 3 years)

Can you ID the Nurse?

and;

See page 13 of this mans file for list 248 for 3 MD

S.B




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 January 2013, 08:39:54 pm

This maybe interesting as he records as single but this marrage form shows married in 1913?

UNSWORTH   Scarlett   815   Pte   04 LHR   3R Tos 4-15 tos B Sqn 11-15 (G) to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/2 Anzac LHR 7-16 att AA sect 10-16 F&B deserted 31-8-17 arrested 8-7-18 FGCM 12-7-18 sentenced 2 years HL to HM Prison Wandsworth 15-7-18 forfited medals married Margaret Livsey at Burnley UK 3-11-13 (British 158Bty RFA TA) later 22 FAB 1930 father in 163Bty RFA British Army


Hi Steve

Scarlett certainly seems to have been a ‘colourful’ character (pardon the pun) – it appears that 3 days after marrying Margaret (3/11/1913), he departed London (6/11/1913) on the Ballarat for Melbourne.  Of course he may have been travelling to a new land to check it out before sending for his new wife….but still hadn’t done so a year later when he enlisted….

He was in prison at the time that the marriage certificate was copied to his service record – so perhaps Margaret produced it in order to visit him – or perhaps it was produced as a reason for why he’d deserted (to be with his wife!) – or perhaps she was seeking a divorce – or……..??

Anyway, haven’t been able to find any record of Margaret coming to Australia, and in 1920, Scarlett re-married, using the name of Charles Unsworth – he and Caroline were still together when he died in July 1957 at Richmond, Vic, age 62 (his cremated remains are in a Wall Niche at Fawkner Cemetery – and Caroline’s ashes were later interred in the Niche beside his)

Interestingly, he volunteered for the Militia in May 1930, and was discharged in the November due to having gone AWL!!!  All 3 of his sons served in WW2.


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 January 2013, 08:49:23 pm

An interesting one for you?

See letter in pages 5 & 6 of this mans record?

DALLIMORE   Walter Edwin   2458   Pte   04 LHR   17R Tos 8-16 (B) married Nurse Beatrice ? after RTA (CMF 3 years)

Can you ID the Nurse?



Steve - yes, I can ID the Nurse - she's in one of my Nurses databases  ;)

These are her details from my file, for your interest:

McGENNAN, Beatrice Annie – Sister, Australian Voluntary Hospital

Born 28/12/1874 Warrnambool (reg. 1875) – daughter of Peter John McGENNAN (b. Holyhead; Merchant) & Emily Matilda WITHERS, who married in Vic in 1873 – Peter died 15/9/1920 Warrnambool, age 81; Emily died 29/6/1935 Warrnambool, age 81

Siblings (all born Warrnambool):  Edith Constance b.1877 – marr John REVELL 1922 – d.1926;  Blanche Emily b.1878 – marr Albert WHITE 1924 – d.1967;  John William b.1880 – (Boer War) WW1 Pte 134, 4th Bn, DOW 4/5/1915 on board Gloucester Castle;  Fred Matthew b.1883 – d.1890 (age 8);  Henry James b.1885 – marr Margt Ann WILLIS 1910 – d.1965 Warr;  Peter Joseph b.1887 – d.1918 Warrnambool, age 28;  Andrew Edward b.1891 – marr Isabel Lila WATSON 1918 – d.1958 Warr;  Eveline Maud b.1894 – marr Colin Geo LORD 1924 – d.1942;  Frank b.&d.1889 (1M)

Travelled to England (possibly via America)

WW1:
Nursing in London hospitals
Joined the AVH in France 25/3/1915 (newspaper states 23/4/15)
Nursing in Ireland 1918
Applied for assisted passage home in 1918
Returned to Warrnambool 7/8/1918
Applied for War Gratuity in 1920
Listed on the War Memorial at Warrnambool
[British Medal Index Card shows her incorrectly as a Sister with the Australian Veterinary Hospital]

Nursing in Warrnambool 1919, 1924

Married Walter Edwin DALLIMORE 9/6/1924 Warrnambool, Vic (see photo in wedding dress)

[Walter – Pte 2458, 4th LH – first married May Blanche BAULCH in 1916, between enlistment & embarkation – (May died in 1919 at Carlton, age 35)
Walter died 6/9/1950 at the Repatriation Hospital, Caulfield, age 73 (son of James & Hester) – buried Springvale Cemetery]

Child:  Anne McGennnan DALLIMORE – married PHELPS (living in Natimuk in 1967)

Electoral Rolls:
1936: 86 Primrose St, Essendon (W.E. – Manager)
1942: 2 Genoa St, Mentone (W.E. – Cheesemaker)
1949: 55 Argyle St, Berwick & Park Rd, Dandenong
1954 Dandenong

Died 20/11/1964 Doveton, age 87 – buried Warrnambool Cemetery (family plot)


Warrnambool Standard, Tue 11 May 19155:
PERSONAL
Nurse Beatrice McGennan, daughter of Mr P.J. McGennan, who has been nursing for some time in London, has received an appointment as military nurse in France, and commenced duty there on 23rd April.  Her many local friends will join in wishing her a safe and successful career.

Warrnambool Standard, Fri 19 Apr 1918:
Sister Beatrice McGennan is now on military duty in Ireland, where whenever possible the wounded Irish are sent for treatment.  The food rationing is not so rigid as in England.  Miss McGennan is pining for Australia; yet she cannot turn her back on duty.

Warrnambool Standard, Thur 8 Aug 1918:
NURSE RETURNS
Sister Beatrice McGennan, daughter of Mr and Mrs P.J. McGennan, returned to Warrnambool by the afternoon train yesterday after about four years abroad.  As soon as war broke out Sister McGennan volunteered for war work, and spent a considerable time in the hospitals in France tending the sick and wounded men.  She has also seen service in the military hospitals in England.  The secretary of the Soldiers Reception Committee attended at the railway station, and extended a very cordial welcome home to Sister McGennan on behalf of the citizens, and Mr C.J. Horn placed his car at the disposal of the committee to convey the young lady and her friends to their home.

The Argus, Mon 16 Sep 1935:
IN MEMORIAM
McGENNAN – In affectionate memory of my father, Peter John McGennan, who died on the 15th September 1920; also my mother, who died on the 29th June 1935.  (Inserted by their daughter, Beatrice, and granddaughter, Anne McGennan)

The Argus, Fri 8 Sep 1950:
DEATHS
DALLIMORE – On September 6, at Repatriation Hospital, Caulfield, Walter Edwin, the dearly loved husband of Beatrice Ann Dallimore, of Park road, Dandenong, and loving father of Ann, late Trooper, 4th Light Horse, 1st AIF  (Privately interred Necropolis, Springvale, September 7)


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 January 2013, 08:55:42 pm

and;

See page 13 of this mans file for list 248 for 3 MD


??    I think you may have forgotten to include the man's name!

Thanks heaps for McCallum, McKay & Wathen - they are all new to the database.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 January 2013, 07:03:52 am
Frev.

Check pages 31 to 36 of this mans file;

VICKERS   William Henry   548   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   2R tos 7Bty/3 FAB 8-15 (G) to AIF HQ UK 10-16 to 2/AM AFC depot UK 3-18 to A/Cpl clerk 5-18 to 2/AM 3 Sqn AFC 1-19 F&B to NME UK (LH to 73 IR to AFA CMF 8 years later WWII)

I wonder what happened here?

Did he marry Miss Hains and what happened to his wife and kids?

And Todays

SLATTER   Richard Horatio   552   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   5R Tos 3-15 (G) to 2 LH Bde HQ 4-16 att 6 LHR 6-16 to 2 LH MGS 7-16 to L/Cpl 9-16 to 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 10-16 to 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 11-16 to 1/AM 3-17 to Cpl 6-17 to 3 Sqn AFC 3-18 rtn 2 Sqn AFC 4-18 to Cpl Mech 5-18 F&B to AFC depot Wendover UK 2-19 married Charlotte Pearce at Lambeth UK 10-3-19

and

STOREY   George Percival   572   Pte   05 LHR   C Sqn remain Egypt to records sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ 5-15 to Cpl 47Bn 4-16 to Sgt 5-16 WIA 12-8-16 minor at Pozieres WIA 31-8-16 minor at Pozieres prom 2/Lt 10-16 rtn 47Bn 2-17 WIA 7-6-17 L/hand & R/leg shrapnel at Messines WIA 12-10-17 L/leg at Passchendaele rtn 4-18 to CCo/46Bn 5-18 recom MC - for his actions at Villers Bretonneux 1/2-5-18 awarded MC - for his actions in 12 Bde attack at Bellenglise 18/19-9-18 F&B to NME UK stock raising married Mary Hooper at Radpole UK 30-4-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 January 2013, 06:58:32 am
Frev.

Todays

See page 18 of this mans file for list 334 of 1 MD;

THOMSON   Cecil Percy   603   Spr   3 LH Sig Troop

and for fun read the record of this married soldier to Cathrine and to Margaret;

MASON   David Allen   7647   Spr   3 LH Sig Troop   16R tos 4 Div Sig Co 10-16 to 52Bn 12-16 F&B disch 9-4-18 MU trench fever married Margaret in UK?

and

VANDERSTOCK   Arthur   7652   Spr   3 LH Sig Troop   16R tos A Sect/1 Div Sig Co 5-17 WIA 1-10-17 R/buttock & back shrapnel reported losses during cable burying around Ypres to Westhoek ridge F&B disch 13-8-18 married Florence Rawlings in Sheffield UK 16-4-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 January 2013, 04:50:04 pm
Check pages 31 to 36 of this mans file;

VICKERS   William Henry   548   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   2R tos 7Bty/3 FAB 8-15 (G) to AIF HQ UK 10-16 to 2/AM AFC depot UK 3-18 to A/Cpl clerk 5-18 to 2/AM 3 Sqn AFC 1-19 F&B to NME UK (LH to 73 IR to AFA CMF 8 years later WWII)

I wonder what happened here?

Did he marry Miss Hains and what happened to his wife and kids?

Hi Steve

Turns out that William Vickers returned to his wife & children.  He and Alice lived together until at least 1954, and probably until 1959 when he died in Brighton, Vic.

His son, Herbert, also served in WW2 (RAAF).

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 January 2013, 04:52:06 pm
SLATTER   Richard Horatio   552   Spr   2 LH Sig Trp   5R Tos 3-15 (G) to 2 LH Bde HQ 4-16 att 6 LHR 6-16 to 2 LH MGS 7-16 to L/Cpl 9-16 to 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 10-16 to 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 11-16 to 1/AM 3-17 to Cpl 6-17 to 3 Sqn AFC 3-18 rtn 2 Sqn AFC 4-18 to Cpl Mech 5-18 F&B to AFC depot Wendover UK 2-19 married Charlotte Pearce at Lambeth UK 10-3-19

and

STOREY   George Percival   572   Pte   05 LHR   C Sqn remain Egypt to records sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ 5-15 to Cpl 47Bn 4-16 to Sgt 5-16 WIA 12-8-16 minor at Pozieres WIA 31-8-16 minor at Pozieres prom 2/Lt 10-16 rtn 47Bn 2-17 WIA 7-6-17 L/hand & R/leg shrapnel at Messines WIA 12-10-17 L/leg at Passchendaele rtn 4-18 to CCo/46Bn 5-18 recom MC - for his actions at Villers Bretonneux 1/2-5-18 awarded MC - for his actions in 12 Bde attack at Bellenglise 18/19-9-18 F&B to NME UK stock raising married Mary Hooper at Radpole UK 30-4-18

These are both new to the database - thankyou  :)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 January 2013, 04:59:35 pm

See page 18 of this mans file for list 334 of 1 MD;

THOMSON   Cecil Percy   603   Spr   3 LH Sig Troop

and for fun read the record of this married soldier to Cathrine and to Margaret;

MASON   David Allen   7647   Spr   3 LH Sig Troop   16R tos 4 Div Sig Co 10-16 to 52Bn 12-16 F&B disch 9-4-18 MU trench fever married Margaret in UK?

and

VANDERSTOCK   Arthur   7652   Spr   3 LH Sig Troop   16R tos A Sect/1 Div Sig Co 5-17 WIA 1-10-17 R/buttock & back shrapnel reported losses during cable burying around Ypres to Westhoek ridge F&B disch 13-8-18 married Florence Rawlings in Sheffield UK 16-4-18


Brilliant Steve - the list in Thomson's file is actually one I don't have yet - yippee!

Mason & Vanderstock are both new also.

David MASON married Margaret Ursula LEVELL in the Sept Qtr of 1917 at Gloucestor.  (he obviously had his reasons for initially listing his 'Aunt' Catherine as his wife!!)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 January 2013, 08:43:37 am
Frev,

Yes, I think its called fraud, married men get paid more (even with defered pay) then a single soldier, a wonder he didn't get into more trouble.

Todays

JOMARTZ   Ernest   223   Pte   2 VS   to L/Cpl 3-15 to BSqn/05 LHR 5-15 (G) RTA MU enteric relist 18R/04 LHR (2635) to 1 Trg Bn (2Bn) UK 9-16 tos 30Bn 10-16 to 65Bn UK 3-17 to ER Sgt 5-17 to AIF depots UK 4-17 to AVC 8-17 to AVH Calais 8-17 to 2 Anzac LHR 11-17 to BSqn/XXII Corps MR 1-18 att 49 Div 10-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 rtn AVH 12-18 F&B married Hilda Wooton in Newington UK 7-6-17


Happy aussie day to you and yours.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 February 2013, 02:03:37 pm
Thanks Steve

Ernest JOMARTZ is another newby ta!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 February 2013, 07:26:14 pm

VANDENBURGH   Alfred   1341   Pte   6 LHR   10R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 58Bty/15 FAB 3-16 to 53Bty/14 FAB 4-17 F&B married Annie Green at Warwick UK 4-3-19 AKA Alfred Vandenbergh (28 LH CMF 5 years)


Further info on the above soldier:

http://our-anzacs.tumblr.com/post/41309698650/alfred-vandenbergh-this-is-a-photo-of-alfred


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 February 2013, 02:58:55 pm
Frev,

Can you fill in who she married?

CHENNELL   Frances Margery       Nurse   AANS   tos 14 AGH 5-17 to 1 AAuxH Harefield UK 6-18 disch married Smith in UK 25-7-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 February 2013, 04:58:13 pm
Frev,
Can you fill in who she married?

CHENNELL   Frances Margery       Nurse   AANS   tos 14 AGH 5-17 to 1 AAuxH Harefield UK 6-18 disch married Smith in UK 25-7-18

Cheers
S.B

I certainly can Steve - from my database:

CHENNELL, Frances Margery - Staff Nurse, AANS
Married Captain Donald Ian Robertson SMITH, AAMC, on the 25/7/1918 at the Parish Church in Harefield, England
[They had both worked at Sydney Hospital before Donald enlisted & wouldn’t have seen each other again until just before their marriage]
Returned together on the HT Katoomba 8/8/1919. (no mention of child)

Born the 26/8/1891 in Nth Adelaide – daughter of John Augustus CHENNELL & Bessie Young KEKWICK – John & Bessie married the 21/12/1887 at St Agnes Church, The Grange, Pt Adelaide – John died 30/12/1898 Adelaide, age 46
Bessie (age 43) married Henry FERGUSON the 5/2/1910 at St Mary Magdalene Church, Adelaide

Siblings: Bessie b.&d.13/12/1888 Nth Adelaide; Kenneth Payne b.16/1/1890 Nth Adelaide – d.19/2/1893, age 3

Baptist.
Sydney Hospital

WW1: Enlisted Sydney 2/12/1917 & embarked on the No.2 HS Kanonwa 21/3/1917 – arriving Suez 1/5/17
TOS with the 14th AGH, Abbassia 2/5/17 – transferred to 27th Gen Hosp, Abbassia 11/7/17 – rejoined 14th AGH 17/9/17 – transferred to A.D.M.S. Cairo 21/5/18 – embarked at Alexandria on the Indarra for Marseilles – disembarked 26/5/18
Disembarked Southampton from France 7/6/18 & attached to 1st AAH Harefield for duty
Sick to Sthwell Gs Hosp 19/6/18 – 2/7/18 – rejoined 1st AAH 3/7/18 – until discharged because of marriage 25/7/18

Children (3):
1. Donald Brian Chennell b.1/5/1919 London – WW2, RAN 1941-1958 (NOK wife Shirley Valmae?) (Nancy?) – address on discharge Chennell House, St George’s Tce, Perth
Articled Law Clerk
Died 14/2/1985 Greenmount, WA, age 65 & cremated at Karrakatta Cemetery
[no birth reg found England & no mention of child with them on the Katoomba?]

2. Malcolm Chennell b.1/6/1922 Perth – WW2, RAN 1942-1946

3. Robin Chennell b.1926 Perth – married Dwyer NEVILLE 13/8/1949 at St Mary’s Church, West Perth – died 5/11/2007 Ellenbrook, WA, age 81 & cremated at Karrakatta Cemetery

Resided Perth 1919 on
72 King’s Park Rd, West Perth – 1925, 1931, 1936 (Frances listed as Margery Chennell Smith)
Donald gives address in 1927 as Merthyr House, St George’s Terrace, W Perth
St George’s Terrace, West Perth 1943 (Frances listed as Frances Margery Donald Smith)

Donald Brian (labourer) at 72 King’s Park Rd, West Perth 1943 (also still a listing for Margery Chennell Smith here?)

Frances Margery listed at 43 Hensman Rd, Subiaco 1949 & 74 Thomas St, West Perth 1954 (with Donald Brian Chennell Smith)

Frances Margery died 13/1/1969 West Perth, age 77 and was cremated at the Karrakatta Cemetery


Donald Ian Robertson SMITH – Capt, AAMC
Born 1/3/1892 Nth Sydney – son of Major Donald SMITH & Jessie FELL – who married in 1891 at St Leonards, NSW – (McLaren St, Nth Sydney)

Siblings all born St Leonards:
Noel Watson b.1896 (Chemist) – Gnr 5266 / Lieut, 1st FAB 1915-1918;
Eric Alfred Fell b.30/11/1897 (reg 1898) (Dental student) – Gnr 28049 FAB / Lieut 1916-1919 – WW2 enl Vic (NOK Leah);
James F.C b.1903; Struan Mackinlay b.1907 – d.1975 NSW;

Educated:  Nth Sydney Grammar School; Syndey University
1 year 3rd Bn Snr Cadets 1908 / 2 years in Sydney Uni Scouts 1910-11 / 3years 27th Bn, Snr Cadets 1912-14 - Lieut
Senior RMO & Radiographer at Sydney Hospital 1915

WW1: Enlisted 1/3/1916
No.4 AGH Randwick 17/4/16 – 24/8/16
Embarked at Sydney on the A68 Anchises 24/8/1916 – arrived Plymouth 11/10/16
Proceeded O/S for France 3/11/16
TOS 2nd AGH, Wimereux 5/11/16
Enteric fever (Typhoid) – Adm No.14 Gen Hosp, Boulogne 6/6/17 – tsfd 14th Stat Hosp 13/6/17 – to England 2/7/17 & adm 3rd Lond Gen Hsp – disch to duty 3/9/17
Att (temp) to 2nd AAH, Southall 6/9/17 – proc O/S to France 12/9/17 & TOS with 2nd AGH, Wimereux (Radiographer during this time)
Proc to 4th Aus Div for duty 8/1/18 – TOS with 4th Fld Amb 12/1/18 – posted to 4th MG Bn 11/3/18
UK leave 16/7/18 – 11/8/18 (to be married)
Proc to CCS for duty 7/12/18 – M/I to 3rd CCS 9/12/18 – M/O to 3rd AGH Abbeville 1/1/19 – TOS 3/1/19
UK leave 15/1/19 –
Ret to England for duty 3/3/19 – Att 3rd AAH, Dartford 6/3/19 – Att 2nd AAH, Southall 17/3/19 – ret to 3rd AAH 8/5/19
Granted leave for Non Mil Empl 14/5/19 – 14/8/19 (cancelled as from 31/7/19 & awaiting RTA)

Appointment terminated 14/11/19 (2nd MD)
[Duplicate set of medals were issued in 1927 – after he applied for them, only to find they’d been sent to an address in NSW in 1923 that wasn’t his, and had never been returned]

Donald died of a heart attack on the 3/1/1947 at his residence Chennell House, Perth, age 55 – he was cremated 6/1/47 at Karrakatta Cemetery


From The Kia Ora Coo-ee, June 1918:
“Sister F.M. Chennell, A.A.N.S., (14th AGH), has embarked for England, where, it is understood, she is to be married to an Australian Medical Officer.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Mon 14 Oct 1918:
WEDDING
On July 25 last a wedding was celebrated at the picturesque parish church, Harefield, England, the bride being Sister Margery Chennell, AMC, late of Sydney Hospital, only daughter of the late J.A. Chennell, Adelaide, and Mrs Harry Ferguson, North Sydney, and the bridegroom Captain Donald Ian Robertson Smith, AMC, AIF, eldest son of Major and Mrs Donald Smith, North Sydney.  The bride has been on active service in Egypt, and was recently transferred to Harefield Hospital, England.  The bridegroom has been on active service in France for two years past.  Mr David Fell (uncle of the bridegroom) gave the bride away.  Captain Fred Forster (Army Dental Corps) acted as best man.  Matron Carpenter, AMC, late Wimmereux Hospital, France, entertained the guests, numbering over a hundred staff nurses and patients, at afternoon tea.  The honeymoon was spent in Scotland.  The bridegroom having returned to duty at the front the bride has made her home with Mrs Critchley, Queensland, Bielericay, Essex, England.

The West Australian, Mon 6 Jan 1947:
DEATHS
SMITH – On January 3, 1947, suddenly at Perth, Donald Ian Robertson, dearly loved husband of Margery and loved father of Brian, Malcolm and Robin.

FUNERAL NOTICES
SMITH – The Friends of the late Dr Donald Smith of Chennell House, 260 St George’s-terrace, Perth, are respectfully informed that a Presbyterian Service will be held in the Crematorium Chapel, Karrakatta, at 4.30 o’clock THIS (Monday) AFTERNOON.  The Cortege will move from our Chapel, Hay-street, Perth, at 4.10 o’clock.  Donald J Chipper & Son.

X-RAY PIONEER
Death of Dr Donald Smith
Dr Donald Smith, a pioneer in radiological work in this State, died at his residence at Chennell House, St George’s-terrace, Perth, at midnight on Friday as the result of a heart attack.  He practiced up to the time of his death although he had been in indifferent health for several years.  His remains will be cremated today.  He is survived by his widow, two sons and a daughter.
The late Dr Smith was born in Sydney in 1892 and received his early education at the North Sydney Grammar School.  In 1908 he attended the Medical School at the Sydney University, graduating at the age of 21.  After a period as assistant superintendent at the Sydney Hospital he joined the A.A.M.C. in 1915 with the rank of captain.  He served in France and later England, where he gained extensive radiological experience.  He married Frances Margery Chennell, an Australian nursing sister, in London in 1918 and returned to Australia later that year, spending a short time in Sydney before taking up residence in Perth, where he established the first qualified radiological practice in this State.  In 1930 he lost a leg largely as a result of his pioneer radiological work.  He had been the president and treasurer of the British Medical Association in this State.
He was interested in musical comedy production and was chorus master and later principal comedian for the Concert Artists’ Society of W.A.  On one occasion he was approached by Sir Benjamin Fuller with a view to his appearance in musical comedy in a professional capacity.  This offer was declined.


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 February 2013, 07:42:17 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays

DAGGETT   William   180   L/Cpl   7 LHR   A Sqn to Cpl 5-15 to Sgt 7-15 (G) to AIF depots UK 1-16 rtn ASqn/7 LHR 6-17 WIA 6-11-17 minor reported A Sqn lost 2 killed and 15 wouned suporting the 2 LH MGS at Khuweilfe to UK leave married Hilda Stephenson in Newcastle UK 6-11-15 later WWII

Since he was born and raised in Newcastle on Tyne he must have known her before he went to aussie.

and

DALE   Charles Scrivener   562   Pte   6 LHR   A Sqn (G) to AIF depots UK 5-16 to Anzac Hostel London UK 2-17 to S/Sgt 5-17 to ER Wo1 9-17 MSM - reason not stated married Lydia Bagnall in London UK 25-11-16


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 February 2013, 07:24:58 am
Frev,

Todays no details on wife?

GORDON   George   262   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn to L/Cpl 10-15 prom 2/Lt 11-15 (G) to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/2 Anzac LHR att AA Sect 9-16 att CRE Armenteries 9-16 rtn 12-16 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 att IX Corps 4-18 att 21 Div 5-18 Croix de Guerre avec Palm (F) - for his actions at Bligny 27-7-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B married Doris in UK ("B"Bty AFA CMF 10 years) AKA George Herbert Iver Gordon


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 February 2013, 10:04:43 am
Frev,

I am unsure when this guy married by a later in his file reads in part;

"Died under Tragic circumstances"

dated around 1928 it mention a wife he didn't have during the war?

Any ideas?

BROADBENT   Charles Henry   970   S/Sgt Clerk   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC (G) to Anzac MD Trn 3-16 prom 2/Lt 7-16 to Adjt ASC HQ Anzac MD 9-16 rtn 2 LH Bde Sup Sect 1-17 prom Capt Supply officer 6-17 to OC 4Co (34Co) Anzac MDT 8-17 t/att T/SSO Anzac MD Trn att 26 D/US 1-18 to 32Co 11-18 MID - for his work as OC 34Co Sept 1918 to NME UK Spainish language

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 February 2013, 04:10:39 pm

DAGGETT   William   180   L/Cpl   7 LHR   A Sqn to Cpl 5-15 to Sgt 7-15 (G) to AIF depots UK 1-16 rtn ASqn/7 LHR 6-17 WIA 6-11-17 minor reported A Sqn lost 2 killed and 15 wouned suporting the 2 LH MGS at Khuweilfe to UK leave married Hilda Stephenson in Newcastle UK 6-11-15 later WWII

Since he was born and raised in Newcastle on Tyne he must have known her before he went to aussie.

and

DALE   Charles Scrivener   562   Pte   6 LHR   A Sqn (G) to AIF depots UK 5-16 to Anzac Hostel London UK 2-17 to S/Sgt 5-17 to ER Wo1 9-17 MSM - reason not stated married Lydia Bagnall in London UK 25-11-16


Thanks Steve - these are both new.

Yes, it's highly likely that William Daggett new Hilda before moving to Aus - but unless a relative comes along with a family story, we'll probably never really know.  There were some incredibly whirlwind romances during the war!!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 February 2013, 04:22:25 pm

Todays no details on wife?

GORDON   George   262   Pte   04 LHR   B Sqn to L/Cpl 10-15 prom 2/Lt 11-15 (G) to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/2 Anzac LHR att AA Sect 9-16 att CRE Armenteries 9-16 rtn 12-16 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 att IX Corps 4-18 att 21 Div 5-18 Croix de Guerre avec Palm (F) - for his actions at Bligny 27-7-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B married Doris in UK ("B"Bty AFA CMF 10 years) AKA George Herbert Iver Gordon


Another new one Steve - thank you

Doris was actually an Aussie, engaged to George before the war.  After travelling to England to marry him, returning to Australia safely, and having 3 children - unfortunately, they ended up divorced in 1929.
See the following for details:

GORDON, George Herbert Iver – 262 / 2nd Lieut, CdeG

Born 18/3/1884 Toorak - son of George & Violette Elizabeth

1914, 1919: Station Manager – Ballangeich, Mortlake (also Annie Grace 1914 & mum, Violette Elizabeth 1914, 1919)

WW1:
GORDON George 262 Pte 04 LHR B Sqn to L/Cpl 10-15 prom 2/Lt 11-15 (G) to 1 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/2 Anzac LHR att AA Sect 9-16 att CRE Armenteries 9-16 rtn 12-16 to XXII Corps MR 1-18 att IX Corps 4-18 att 21 Div 5-18 Croix de Guerre avec Palm (F) - for his actions at Bligny 27-7-18 to 13 LHR 12-18 F&B married Doris in UK ("B"Bty AFA CMF 10 years) AKA George Herbert Iver Gordon
[From Steve]

Married Amye Doris HAMMILL 29/8/1916 Shipston on Stour, England
[Doris b.1884 Toorak, Vic – daughter of Herbert & Amye HAMMILL (living St Kilda 1909, later of Timboon)]

RTA at own expense from England 4/1/1919 per Metagama, to connect with SS Niagra at Vancouver (about 3/2/1919) – disembarked NSW 23/3/1919, and then to Victoria (1914 Leave)

Children (3):
1. Annie D – b.12/9/1918 New Forest, England (Mrs Wright)
2. John Eddington b.20/12/1919 Toorak – WW2
3. Fairlie b.25/3/1922 Toorak – WW2 – (Mrs Blair)

Separated 1924, divorced 1929

1931 - 1943: Grazier: ‘The Otherside’, Paynesville

WW2: Pte, VDC 1942 - 1945


Died 8/9/1946 Warrnambool Hospital - buried Ballangeich Cemetery


Warrnambool Standard (Vic), Sat 9 Sept 1916:
MARRIED
GORDON – HAMMILL – In London, on 29th August, George H.I., Ballangeich Station, Lieut, 4th Victorian Light Horse, 1st Anzac Regiment, youngest son of the late George Gordon, “Ellerslie,” Toorak, to Amye Doris, only daughter of Herbert Hammill, “Wai-nui,” Timboon.

The Argus (Vic), Mon 23 Sept 1918:
BIRTHS
GORDON – On the 12th September, at Bank, New Forest, England, the wife of G.H.I. Gordon, Ballangeich – a daughter.

Morwell Advertiser (Vic), 8 Mar 1929:
Gave Wife £1200 a Year
BUT GRAZIER WOULDN'T LIVE WITH HER.
The sudden estrangement of Amy Doris Gordon and her husband, George Herbert Iver Gordon seemed inexplicable to their friends. Mrs Gordon told Mr Justice Mann in the Divorce Court that she was as much in the dark as anyone else. Gordon is a grazier at Paynesville, and the fact that since 1924 he has been regularly allowing his wife £1 200 a year argues that he is a man of substance. The couple were engaged to be married when war broke out. Gordon sailed with the first contingent. In 1916 the girl joined him in England, and they were married on August 29 of that year. After the Armistice they returned to Australia, and Gordon took up the management of a pastoral property belonging to his mother.  Mrs Gordon was unfortunate enough to contract a tubercular affection of the lungs in 1924, and with her husband's consent she sailed for Southern Europe. Gordon saw her off by the boat. On the wharf he struck consternation into her heart by telling her that their marriage was not a success so far as he was concerned, and suggested that if she found anything she preferred to do in England his people would bring up their three children. She was very indignant, but thinking the outburst was merely the manifestation of mental disorder brought about by his war service, she refrained from replying. His letters while she was away were mere signed statements of the doings of the children. On her return in April, 1925, thoroughly cured, his greeting was very cold. As soon as she could get him alone she asked what was the matter, and if he had not some greeting for her. "No," he said."  "The marriage is at an end."  Next day she went to their home, "Ballangeich," Ellerslie, and has remained there ever since. Gordon visited the place occasionally, but would have nothing to do with her. Mr Justice Mann dissolved the unsatisfactory marriage.

The Argus (Vic), Mon 9 Sept 1946:
DEATHS
GORDON – On September 8, at Warrnambool Hospital, George, of Ballangeich, Ellerslie, youngest son of the late George and Mrs Gordon, of Ellerslie, Toorak.  (Private funeral)

The Argus (Vic), Fri 21 Feb 1947:
ESTATE OF £72,249
George Herbert Iver Gordon, late of Ballangeish, Ellerslie, grazier, who died on September 8, 1946, left by will dated Mar 16, 1944, estate £72,249, comprising realty £38,782 and personalty £33,467, to his children.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 February 2013, 04:29:16 pm

I am unsure when this guy married by a later in his file reads in part;

"Died under Tragic circumstances"

dated around 1928 it mention a wife he didn't have during the war?

Any ideas?

BROADBENT   Charles Henry   970   S/Sgt Clerk   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC (G) to Anzac MD Trn 3-16 prom 2/Lt 7-16 to Adjt ASC HQ Anzac MD 9-16 rtn 2 LH Bde Sup Sect 1-17 prom Capt Supply officer 6-17 to OC 4Co (34Co) Anzac MDT 8-17 t/att T/SSO Anzac MD Trn att 26 D/US 1-18 to 32Co 11-18 MID - for his work as OC 34Co Sept 1918 to NME UK Spainish language


Steve - this is not one for the Married O/S Database, as he was only married months before his death in 1928.  However, sadly, I have added it to my Suicides Database.

The following newspaper reports explain why - they are only a few of many:

The Register (Adelaide, SA), Sat 5 May 1928:
MARRIAGES
BROADBENT – WICKS – On the 28th March, at S Michael’s and All Angel’s, Henley Beach, by Rev A.L. Bulbeck, Maude Beatrice Ethel (widow of Norman E. Wicks), to Charles Henry Broadbent, son of Mr and Mrs Joseph Broadbent, Wood Green, London, England.

Northern Star (Lismore, NSW), Sat 30 Jun 1928:
CLUB SENSATION – VISITOR SHOOTS HIMSELF
SYDNEY, Friday
There was a sensation in City Tattersall’s Club to-night when Charles Henry Broadbent, a visitor from Adelaide, shot himself through the mouth in the presence of members in the reading room.  Two shots were fired from an automatic pistol.  By his side was found a note, which read: “Darling. Dead. Broade,” and also a telephone number.  Broadbent was taken to hospital in a critical condition.  He is unlikely to recover.

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA), Wed 4 Jul 1928:
CATTLE DEALER’S DEATH
Sydney, July 3
After having lived for three days with a bullet in his brain, Charles Henry Broadbent (47), a wealthy cattle dealer, who was found shot in Tattersalls Club on Friday night, died at 5.30 this morning.  In conversation with his wife and the police prior to his death, Mr Broadbent said he had no financial difficulties and no worries.  He was “bad” at the time of the shooting.

The Register (Adelaide, SA), Wed 4 Jul 1928:
ADELAIDE CATTLE DEALER’S SUICIDE
SYDNEY, Tuesday
Charles Henry Broadbent (46), cattle dealer, of Henley Beach, Adelaide, South Australia, who was found in a dying condition in City Tattersalls Club on Friday, died early this morning.
At an inquest, held to-day, the Coroner found that Broadbent committed suicide.
Maud Broadbent said that she was married to deceased in March of the present year.  On Friday her husband had gone out on business, and had not returned.  Just previously he had received two telegrams from Adelaide, which he had destroyed, without showing her.  This she considered strange, and was probably connected with his death.  They had arranged to return to Adelaide that day.
The Coroner – Had he sufficient money to book the passages? – I do not know; but if he had not, I had enough.
Police evidence was that Broadbent had been discovered in a chair in the reading room of the club with a bullet wound in his head.  In a pocket was found a note, which read: - “Darling, dead, Broadie,” and a sealed, but empty, envelope, addressed to David L. Fry.
David Lewis Fry, bank accountant, living at Double Bay, said that he had lent Broadbent an automatic piston, so that he could destroy some diseased cattle.  Broadbent had spoken of a cattle deal in which he was interested, and had stated that he had cleared 1,400 pounds from it.



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 February 2013, 12:04:32 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate, sad story, as they all are.

Todays

BREWER   William Matthias   1483   Pte   8 LHR   12R tos C Sqn 12-15 to UK leave married Gladys Robson in Barnet UK 19-7-19 (British 1st Essex RFA TA 2 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: iveco303 on 19 February 2013, 10:52:00 pm
Hi Frev, Have come up with this chap for you. In 2 wars. No1571, Gowen Richard Banks. WW2
No V85706 married Kathleen Kate Harvey 26/6/1916 in London. Don't know if you have him on file. Cheers Phil.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 February 2013, 05:21:21 pm
Frev.

Todays

TAYLOR   Oscar   1374   Pte   8 LHR   11R tos B Sqn 12-15 to AProvC Cairo 8-17 to A/Cpl 11-18 to ER Cpl 11-18 to A/Sgt 4-19 to UK leave married Lilian Wharin at Masbrough UK 4-9-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 February 2013, 09:50:52 pm
Steve & Phil

All three of these are new to the database.

Thank you to you both
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 February 2013, 07:41:22 am
Frev,

Todays

SKILLINGTON   Lionel Henry   146A   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to 8 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to 31Bn 12-16 att 8 LTMB 2-17 to 8 Bde HQ 8-17 WIA 14-5-18 gas mustard near Sailly le Sec F&B to AIF war chest Club London UK 12-18 married Violet Carr in Camberwell UK 8-12-17 (British 1/5th (City of London) Battalion (London Rifle Brigade 10 months)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 February 2013, 07:30:22 am
Frev,

Todays

ROBINSON   Godfrey   1610   Pte   8 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 45Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 11 FAB 5-16 to 4 DAC 5-16 rtn Dvr 45Bty/12 FAB 9-16 WIA 27-12-17 gas reported 45Bty gassed and 47Bty shelled with 1 killed and 4 wounded at Passchendaele F&B married Ada Merchant at Melkeham UK 29-6-19 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 February 2013, 08:52:59 am
Frev,

Off subject but can you identify the sister of this man;

RITCHIE   Frederick David   1876   Pte   8 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Sgt 46Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to BSM 5-17 prom 2/Lt 1-19 F&B (Boer War 2 Troop DSqn/6 ACH (424) (4Co AGA CMF 3 years) sister AANS


His sister is shown as

Sister I.N.K. Ritchie ANS

My feeble attemps have failed to locate her?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 25 February 2013, 03:14:29 pm

Thanks Steve - SKILLINGTON & ROBINSON are both new to the database.


Frederick RITCHIE's sister was Ivy Norma Kathleen RITCHIE - Sister, AANS.  I have her in my database as sailing 17/7/1915 on the A67 Orsova with the Convalescent Depot (1st AAH) for Harefield Park, England - she also served in France with the 1st AGH - and RTA 1/11/1919 on the Orvieto
She continued nursing after the war, and died, unmarried in 1953, age 73.

Their parents were John RITCHIE & Georgina HUTTON.
Frederick David RITCHIE died 7/11/1946 at Warragul, age 64 - and is interred in the Western Cemetery, Geelong, Vic.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 February 2013, 08:44:34 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Of interest see pages 17 - 18 of this mans file

STEWART   James   1890   Pte   8 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Bdr 45Bty/12 FAB 4-16 F&B

There is a letter from a young ladies family after details on this man, I did wonder if she did come out to aussie and they married?

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 February 2013, 09:20:28 am
Frev,

Todays

MALTBY   Ernest   1909   Pte   8 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Gnr 47Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to Dvr 5-16 F&B married Edith Dalton in Leeds UK 11-1-19

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 February 2013, 07:40:38 pm

Ta Steve - Maltby is new to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 February 2013, 07:55:49 pm

Of interest see pages 17 - 18 of this mans file

STEWART   James   1890   Pte   8 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Bdr 45Bty/12 FAB 4-16 F&B

There is a letter from a young ladies family after details on this man, I did wonder if she did come out to aussie and they married?



Steve - she certainly did, and they had a long life together.

James applied to the authorities for a 3rd class passage for his fiancee, Florrie Fletcher in Nov 1920 which was approved on the 25th of that month.

They married in Vic in 1921 (her full name was Florence Ada FLETCHER, his was James Augustus STEWART)

At least 2 children were born to them: James Fletcher STEWART, who served in WW2 (& lied about his date of birth); and Margaret Rose STEWART.

James continued through life as a Gardener & died at MacLeod, Vic in 1975, aged 90.  He was buried at the Springvale Cemetery 4/12/1975 in the H.N. Featonby Lawn.
Florrie (who was born in 1894 in London) died in 1984, and is buried with him.

I've actually photographed that part of the cemetery - but don't have a photo of their grave - so I'd say there is nothing on it to denote his service in WW1.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 February 2013, 08:56:13 am
Fre,

Thanks again, nice to hear it turned out OK.

Todays

HOLFORD   George William   1413   Pte   8 LHR   11R tos D Sqn 12-15 to C Sqn 1-16 to Spr 4 Div Engr HQ 3-16 to Dvr 13 FCE 2-17 WIA 3-9-17 L/foot accident cargo fell on foot from wagon at 1 AAuxH Harefield UK on leave F&B disch 26-10-18 MU L/foot injury married Ethel Harris at London UK 1-8-17


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 March 2013, 04:22:24 pm
Frev,

Todays

Shown married but no details?

ARCHER   Edward James    409   Bugler   12 LHR   C Sqn att DSqn/6 LHR 8-15 to T/Cpl 11-15 (G) to Sgt 6Bn 3-16 prom 2/Lt BCo? 11-17 MC - for his actions on a peacefull penetration patrol at Merris 7-7-18 WIA 9-8-18 L/arm & buttocks shot during attack at Lihons F&B married in UK

and

EVANS   James Henry   409   Pte   9 LHR   C Sqn (G) to AIF depots UK 1-16 to 49Bn 4-17 to L/Cpl DCo/46Bn 6-17 WIA 8-7-18 R/hand bayonet in attack by B & DCo's at Sailly Laurette WIA 17-9-18 gas near Le Verguier F&B married Thelma Huggins in Rothley UK 8-6-16

and

ROGERS   John Henry   124   2/Cpl   1 Sqn AFC   HQ att F Div 4-16 to Sgt 8-16 to Flt/Sgt 1-18 MSM - reason not stated to Flight Clerk 12-18 prom 2/Lt Records officer 1-19 to AFC depot UK 3-19 to NME UK commerical married Margaret James in Turo Cornwall UK 15-3-19

and

MANWELL   David Thomas William      Lt   1 Sqn AFC   B Flight att C Div HQ 4-16 to Equip officer 3rd class 11-16 prom Capt Equip officer 10-17 to staff officer 1 Wing AFC UK 5-18 MBE & MID - reasons not stated & brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services (2/Lt 8 LH 5-2-12 to MG Officer & ASqn 1-7-12 to Lt B Sqn 1-7-15 to Adjt RHQ CMF 4 years to 8 LH 1-10-18 to UL 1-7-21 later WWII) married Marita Marsland in Painswick UK 16-1-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 March 2013, 07:44:03 am
Frev,

Todays

MILL   Alan   157   Sgt   1 Sqn AFC   A Flight Electrician att C Div 4-16 to Sgt Mech 7 Trg Sqn AFC UK 4-18 to Bombing Instructor 7-18 att AIF HQ in France to pack German aircraft for RTA 7-19 rtn 9-19 married Florence Iles in Wotton UK 10-3-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 03 March 2013, 01:31:13 pm

Hi Steve

These are mostly new to the database thanks, (excluding MANWELL & MILL, which I already had).


Edward ARCHER married Marthe A.J.L. LECUYER in April 1917 at Croydon, England (whilst on leave) - however, her address is later shown as in France.

Haven't been able to establish whether she came to Australia or not, but the marriage doesn't seem to have worked out, as Edward remarried in 1922.  Unfortunately, this marriage doesn't appear to have been a success either.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: iveco303 on 03 March 2013, 05:55:27 pm
Hi Frev, Was reading an article today & found this chap, don't know if you have him on your list. No.422 Lt.Lawrence Dominic McCarthy.VC.16th Battalion. Married Florence Minnie Norville on 25th.January 1919 in Somerset England.Phil.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 March 2013, 10:36:21 am
Frev,

Thanks

Todays

MURRAY   Alexander   29   Pte   1 Half Flight AFC   Mesoptamia Dvr att aircraft park Basrah 12-15 att 30 Sqn RFC Amara 1-16 to Far/Sgt 6-16 att Mule Transport 5-17 to India leave 6-17 rtn 8-17 to Far/Sgt 38Co AASC AMDT 12-17 to Far/S/Sgt 5-18 to UK leave married Grace Picken at Basford UK 3-9-19 (British The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders 7 years)

and

TOOTH   Charles   471   2/AM   1 Sqn AFC   2R Tos motor cycist 8-16 to 1/AM 11-17 to 7 Trg Sqn AFC UK 3-18 to 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 7-18 F&B to AIF depot Wendover UK 4-19 married Gladys March at Tetbury UK 15-1-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 06 March 2013, 03:36:05 pm
Thanks again Phil & Steve

All three of these couples are new to the database.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 March 2013, 09:53:02 am
Frev,

Todays

COE   Clarence Edmund   185   Sgt   1 Sqn AFC   A Flight att 17 Sqn RFC 4-16 to 7 Trg Sqn AFC UK 4-18 to Sgt Mech 12-18 to NME UK Horticulturist married Dorothy Steel in Gillingham UK 5-7-19

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 March 2013, 12:53:57 pm
Frev,

Todays

DUNN   Frank Vincent   285   Pte   1 Sqn AFC   C Flight Wls operator att F Div HQ 4-16 att 52 Div 12-16 att 270 Bde RFA 7-17 att 20 Bde RHA 10-17 att 292 Heavy Bty RGA 1-18 to 7 Trg Sqn AFC UK 3-18 att APayC AIF HQ UK 5-19 married Rebecca Stavers in Houghton le Spring UK 27-3-19 (CMF 4 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 March 2013, 07:37:27 am
Frev.

Todays

HOWE   James   1391   Pte   6 LHR   11R Tos 12-15 to 17Co/4Bn ICC 2-17 to 14 LHR 7-18 to 5 LH Bde HQ 10-18 rtn 1-19 to UK leave married Elizabeth Bleakley in Knockbreda Ireland 18-9-19

and

Another strange one?

He is shown not married at start of war but later has wife Francis in Darjeeling India?

How and whom he married is unknown?

CAMPION   Cameron John   R541   A/Sgt   6 LHR   29R to EDP Sgt reinf camp 10-17 to ER Sgt ATC&DC 3-18 Ex Sgt LH depot Menangle 6 LH Sqn 1917 Ex L/Cpl CCo/3Bn (541) to DCo 1-15 to Cpl 4-15 WIA 25-4-15 R/arm shrapnel at the landing to Sgt 8-15 WIA 6/7-8-15 R/buttock & L/foot bomb at Lone Pine (G) relist married Francis in UK

cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 March 2013, 02:24:34 pm
Thanks Steve - these are all new except for DUNN.

CAMPION proved very interesting - due to some amazing letters I found - my file attached for your interest...

Cheers, Frev
[Hmmm....the letters are so long it looks like I'll have to split the post....]



CAMPION, Cameron John – Sgt 541, 3rd Bn, 6th LH

Photo:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WC19150629.2.10.3&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2cameron+campion--

Born 22/6/1885 Feilding, Rangtikei, NZ – son of James CAMPION (Farmer of “Okirae”, Fordell, NZ – d.29/2/1936 Wanganui, age 83) & Janet McGregor McDONELL

Educated: Upper Taonui School & St Patrick’s College, Wellington, NZ
Farmer
Originally engaged to Doris DALL in 1913

WW1: In Australia when war broke out, he enlisted 26/8/1914 in NSW & embarked 20/10/1914 on the A14 Euripides with the 3rd Bn
Embarked Egypt 5/4/1915 on the Derfflinger to join the MEF Gallipoli, and promoted Cpl 7/4/15 Lemnos Island
Wounded (GSW) elbow, Anzac & returned to Alexandria by the Itonus where he was admitted to No.17 Gen Hosp 30/4/15
Rejoined Unit at Anzac 13/6/15
Promoted Sgt 1/8/15
Wounded (GSW) foot 7/8/15 & tsfd to Lemnos 8/8/15
Transferred to England by the Andania & adm to Endell Street Mil Hosp 31/8/1915
AWL 12/10/15 – 18/10/15 (severely reprimanded & fined)

Married Frances Hutchison PHILLIPS 28/11/1915 at the Parish Church in Tooting, Wandsworth, England [Frances, age 36 (b.c1879), was the daughter of Lionel Fremantle PHILLIPS (Clergyman, who died early 1916)]

Invalided back to Australia, embarking 24/6/16 on the Euripides.  Frances accompanied him, and they made a short visit to NZ, (before he supposedly settled into a course of training at Duntroon Military College)

Re-embarked 3/9/1917 on the A55 Kyarra, with reinf for the 6th LHR – arriving Suez 19/10/17
[While Frances seems to have gone to India – her father had been a Chaplain with the India Office from at least 1879 to 1899 – so she would have grown up there]

CAMPION Cameron John R541 A/Sgt 6 LHR 29R to EDP Sgt reinf camp 10-17 to ER Sgt ATC&DC 3-18 Ex Sgt LH depot Menangle 6 LH Sqn 1917 Ex L/Cpl CCo/3Bn (541) to DCo 1-15 to Cpl 4-15 WIA 25-4-15 R/arm shrapnel at the landing to Sgt 8-15 WIA 6/7-8-15 R/buttock & L/foot bomb at Lone Pine (G) relist married Francis in UK [from Steve]

Embarked 10/6/19 Port Said on the Ellenga for discharge in UK – discharged 23/8/19, with the intention of eventually returning to NZ to live

Died 9/12/1965 Feilding, NZ


Wanganui Chronicle, Issue 20403, 8 July 1915, Page 7
WITH THE FAMOUS THIRD BRIGADE
WANGANUI BOY WITH THE ASTRALIANS
GRAPHIC LETTER FROM CORPORAL CAMPION
THE PSYCHOLOGY OF FUNK – WHAT SITTING UNDER SHRAPNEL MEANS

Following is a letter written by Corporal Cameron Campion, of Okirae, Fordell, to a friend, from the convalescent camp at Alexandria.  Corporal Campion, who was in Australia when the war broke out, enlisted in the famous Third Brigade which forced the landing at Gaba Tepe.  The letter, though somewhat lengthy, is well worth publishing and reading.
Here we are, and such a bother and to-do about getting here, too.  I would have been just as much use if I had never joined for all the fighting I did; and the expense and trouble of eight months’ training!  Well, it’s these queer tricks life plays with us, and I am trying to console myself with the thought that I must be reserved for something great, don’t you know, probably a great ass, but better a live ass than a dead lion any time.  But, if you could have seen me going into the firing line walking almost upright, as did nearly all of our chaps, and then eight or nine hours afterwards have seen the dishevelled, disorganised and routed creature that scrambled and wormed and snake-wriggled its way out, in its efforts to crawl without raising its head or its “hind” too much from dear mother earth – well, serious as things were, I hardly think you could have refrained from laughing at me, were I the only one; but I will go to the beginning and you won’t mind if this is all “me,” will you? because after all, the papers can give you the other just as well.  I can tell you my feelings and thoughts in my first battle.
THE HISTORIC SUNDAY
The dawn found us stealing in to the accompaniment of the distant thudding of cannon.  I was very restless with an eager sort of excitement, and mighty pleased to think that at last the great adventure had come.  And such a scene!  I will never forget it.  A glorious sunrise behind a big hill that gently sloped to left and right but fell abruptly to the beach facing us – not a breath of air – seas calm as any lake; a Sunday morning.  I thought this would please Dad – getting a fine early start on a Sunday morning.  “What a cocky’s trick,” I heard a chap remark.  “Starting on a Sunday.”  For breakfast we snatched a biscuit and a bit of cheese, scalded ourselves with a hasty gulp of hot tea, and rushed up on deck again to see how things were going.  We were drawing slowly in.  And now it was broad daylight, though the sun still behind the big hill threw the beach into deep shadow, against which the flame from our big guns showed up in vivid splashes, which an occasional enemy shell threw up a geyser like a spout of water among our foremost boats.  “Just like a cinematograph,” someone said, and the same thought had struck me too.  It looked stagey somehow.  Now we could hear the rifles going and the machine-guns snarling tut-tut, and a faint, far-away cheer reached us.  We were now right among our battleships, and the crash of the firing was deafening.  One would think the ship had struck something; at every salvo we quivered, and the air jumped.  Still, we kept moving slowly nearer till we were no more than a couple of miles from the beach.  Then torpedo-boats ranged alongside and took us off.  We went to within half a mile of the shore, then tumbled into boats tugged along by the picquet boats from the men-o’-war.  I could see
WE WERE IN FOR IT
The rifle fire was one continuous rattling roar, while high over our heads we could hear the bullets whining.  An occasional shrapnel shell shrieked over us, to burst harmlessly enough, its bullets splattering over the water.  At last our boat beached, and we rushed off to form up as quickly as we could, and start inland to support our firing line, which had pushed forward almost a mile.  A few of our dead were scattered about the beach, and a good many wounded.  We passed by them with set lips, and the thought came to me then: “Well, the enemy won’t get much mercy from me.”  Shows you how soon
THE OLD SAVAGE RISES
in a man.
Somehow, those men wounded and dead on the beach might have been my brothers, for revenge was my first thought.  We toiled up a steep hillside, as steep as Okirae face behind the house, on to the first ridge.  This was where our fellows had swept over earlier in the morning.  It was a grand piece of work, that charge from the beach under a heavy fire up those steep heights.  Had those heights been held by British troops no troops in the world could have carried them.  But the enemy are not as British troops, thank goodness – our chaps shooting and stabbing and yelling like demons let loose.  So the Jack Tars told us who landed them.  They cleared the heights and then made for the next ridge half a mile further inland, driving everything before them.  The next ridge was in our hands before the surprised and demoralised enemy realised what was the matter.  Then the inevitable happened.
OUR IMPETUOUS TROOPS
went too far, and, coming suddenly on to strong enemy supports had to fall back, losing heavily.  It was a retreat in good order, though.  And now we held the second ridge, and meant to keep it, too.  Our advanced troops fell back to this, and we went in to support them.
As you will see, it was
A HOT CORNER TO GET INTO
Once drive a wedge into an enemy’s line and you meet not only his fire from the front but also a converging cross fire from either flank.  This is what we had to stand up to while our troops were being slowly landed, boat-load by boat-load, on the beach.  Out-numbered, ceaseless enemy reinforcements pressing on our flanks, swept by a merciless fire from machine-guns and rifles and enfiladed by shrapnel, we clung to that ridge despite the lot.  And now comes the
STRANGEST PART ABOUT THE BRITISHER
- It’s psychological, of course – the worse he is getting it the cooler and calmer he becomes, and it’s not the calmness of despair, either.  There seemed to me to be a total absence of flurry.  I have seen more flurry and worry on manoeuvres often and often.  It makes one rather proud of one’s race.  It did me.  I thought of it as I lay firing.  And when the order came to cease firing – for we had to be very sparing of our ammunition – and the enemy’s fire grew hotter and hotter, I still thought of it and seemed to realise probably for the first time that for coolness and tenacity in extreme danger no men could behave better.  I could not imagine better behaviour any way, and a total
ABSENCE OF THEATRICAL HEROICS
“I die that France may live” – you know the sort of thing I mean.  Well, you know we did hold on, and did very well, and have been congratulated by our King.  So all’s well that ends well.
But I was to give you an account of my part.  Well, no sooner did my company mount from the beach to the first ridge than we came under long range fire, and we began to lose men.  “Stretcher here!”  “Stretcher bearers here!” came the cry, and I lay trying to squeeze my bulk (14 stone) into a bit of hollow someone had scooped out with a trenching tool, about 3 ft long by 9in broad.  There was a good trench about six yards away which the enemy had vacated, but I thought it might look as though I was afraid if I got into that, and rather anything than let others see what the real state of one’s feelings are.  So I lay and wished fervently that I had been born a pancake or something that is more of a flat nature than I was.
So far, however, I can truthfully say I wasn’t more than
JUST FAIRLY SCARED
My – I must say – my hind part was causing me the most worry.  It stuck up so, and those bullets were flying appallingly close.  I wondered if it was worth while starting to dig in, and had just made up my mind that it was when the order came to advance.  It was a relief.  It took my mind off that projection to my rear and the inadequate trench I was trying to flatten into.
We advanced down hill into a gully, a deep gully, with good cover and comparative safety.  Then we commenced to climb again to the next ridge whereon our chaps were taking the brunt of the battle.  With half a dozen others I was the first of our company to go in.  Our company was strung out a long way.  I think the chaps that were with me felt as I did, that it might seem as though one were funking to stop for a breather.  So, gasping for wind, and with the sweat pouring off us, we plugged away to the top, had a slight pause to get our rifles ready (up to this we hadn’t fired a shot), then strolled – strolled is the word – into the hottest bit of fire you could imagine.  The air was simply
SINGING WITH FLYING LEAD
We made a dash then, losing one man shot through the foot, and I flopped flat until the machine gun stopped, then made another short dash and crawled and wriggled up to where a long line of our fellows in a dreadfully exposed position were methodically loading and firing at a lot of green shrubs in front, and those green shrubs were simply full of cracking rifles, but I’m blessed if I could see a single thing to fire at.  I peered and looked in vain.  I asked the man on my left what he was firing at, and he told me he had seen a man move behind a green bush a minute or so ago, and he was sending a shot in now and again just to keep him quiet.  Well, at last I did see one or two of the enemy moving about a long way off, and I fired at the shrubs too in case they were behind them.  I got tired of that, and started to dig myself in.  I got down a bit, when the man on my right was either killed or very badly hit, for his mates dragged him out and I took his place.  He had been pretty well dug in, so I started to improve it.  Orders had come along by this time to cease fire and dig in if we could.
UNDER SHRAPNEL FIRE
Now the shrapnel opened on us.  A long crescendo shriek coming nearer and nearer, then bang!  I was as right as rain.  I had got over my first nervousness, and using my rifle had put me in a fairly good humour.  Besides, my luck had stood to me fairly well.  I thought it might hang out for the rest of the day, and the sun was now on the downward path.  Whirr! Bang! Just behind me, that one.  “Searching for our machine-gun,” I thought.  “By Jove, a man’s a fool to get too close to a machine-gun.  They are bound to make it a mark.  Too late, now, though, I shall have to stick it.”  Whirr! Bang! Right over me, that one!  I felt the wind of it stir the hair on the back of my neck.  I crouched in my hole.  Up till now I was as pleased as Punch with that hole.  It sheltered me splendidly from rifle and machine-gun fire.  Now I conceived the greatest possible contempt for it, it was no use at all for shrapnel.  Whirr! Bang! It kept coming with monotonous regularity, and at every explosion men died, men shrieked in sudden agony, men groaned, and I began to do the greatest think ever.  How long before I got it?  Where would I get it?  My ankles seemed a long way out in the open.
A SMACK ON THE ANKLE
stung some.  What the hell was our battery doing?  I found out after.  The men were lying dead around their guns.  The machine-gun was silent.  It’s crew dead.  The gun out of action.  Still it kept coming.  Reinforcements wanted on the left.  Reinforcements wanted on the right.  Hang on, men, came the orders.  It was reassuring to know that there were enough men to pass orders along.  Men were hit all round me, still I was untouched, but at every shrieking shell that flew over me my back fairly wrinkled again.  I don’t mind admitting it – I was funking those shells badly – but I would not have drawn out for anything.  Other men were dying there.  I could do it, too, and as well as they could.  Our aeroplane swung high in the blue searching for the battery that was giving us such a bad time, and now with a thunderous roar our ships joined in, and the air quivered over us as our big shells rushed over our heads inland.  Still their shells came, now close to me, now farther down the line.  A shrapnel bullet dented my water bottle.  A shell covered me with clay and rubbish.  Would our gunners never find that battery?  By the way shrapnel beats everything for making conversions.  Talk about eloquent preaching.  I don’t know if I ever worried much about a God or what came after up till then, but when one knows that any second one is going to cross over, somehow the thought of a someone, a something on the other side has its comforts, and you take it from me I did pray, and pray with some attention, too.  When you want fervour and a religious feeling, try shrapnel.  I began to dig again.  After all, the Lord doesn’t dig down, I thought, and it’s just as well to take no chances, even if one does pray.  For a champion exercise try digging.  Gardeners are always healthy.  But try digging lying down and hugging the earth, with bullets to keep you hugging it.  It’s far from healthy.  I loosened the earth with my bayonet, pushed it as far as my hips with my hands, then rolling on my side and drawing up my legs kicked it as far as I could.  I don’t know if it’s laid down in the drill books to do it that way.  It came to me sort of naturally – evolution.  I make no claim to originating the idea.  The other fellows may have found better ways, but as a physical culture stunt it would take a lot of beating.  I puffed and sweated enough, anyway.  Then whack! and I thought I had lost an arm at least.  I had got my elbow up a bit too high while working the bayonet, and that was the result.  I tied it up, it felt sort of paralysed, and it bled a great deal.  Then I waited for a lull in the shrapnel.  It came in about half an hour, and I wriggled out until I came to the gully, and then made my way to the dressing station.  The bullet had just dug into the bone a bit, slewed off, and stopped in the arm.  I had it pulled out and tied up, and it has made good progress ever since.  And that’s my experience of the firing line.  It’s not pleasant, I assure you.  Still, I do not fear going back to it.  I think I used up all my stock of fear that first day.  I was in the left centre.  On the left flank and right flank there was much harder fighting, and many brave deeds were done.  Our part was to hang on.  It was just as hard to do.  I know we were all praying that the enemy would come on and give us a fair go at them.  Anything rather than lie without firing and be shot to pieces by shrapnel and machine guns.  In a fortnight or so I shall be back again.  I will give you an account of it as soon as I can.




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 March 2013, 02:25:00 pm

Wanganui Chronicle, Vol LX, Issue 20517, 29 Nov 1915, page 2:
WILD CHARGE AT LONE PINE
AUSTRALIAN’S GREAT FEAT
STIRRING DESCRIPTION BY WANGANUI BOY

Sergeant Cameron Campion, of Okirae, well known in Wanganui Rugby circles, was in Australia when the war broke out, and enlisted at once.  He was a corporal with the Third Brigade, who made history at the landing at Anzac, and was wounded.  Our readers may recall the splendid and graphic account which he wrote of the memorable first day ashore on Gallipoli.  He was wounded again for the second time in the big battle on August 7th to 9th, and from hospital in England writes as follows to his brother, Mr Leo Campion: -
Just a line from here.  I seem to be getting about the world a bit and haven’t done such great strokes in the fighting line either.  However I’m not complaining.  I’m glad to be still among the live ones, and will get my whack and a bit over for luck before this beastly war is over, I’m thinking.
I’m glad none of you chaps are in it yet, anyway, and hope sincerely you won’t be.  It’s
SERVERE FIGHTING ON GALLIPOLI
Do you notice the huge captures of prisoners in the Western areas and on the Russian lines.  Do you ever read of such captures on Gallipoli?  There are two to three thousand Turks there, and nearly the same of us.  I am under-estimating both sides, I know, but it will suffice for comparison.  The captured from our side during five months’ fighting do not, I’m sure, number 500 all told.  Put two and two together and you can draw your own conclusions.  Our chaps prefer to die fighting, and the Turks die fighting, too, because we won’t take prisoners when our blood is up and we remember how they treated some of our wounded in the landing battle.
It’s bitter there – much more so than the fighting in other parts of Europe.  The Turk is no match for our men in any way, but of course he usually is in superior force, and up till this in far superior positions.  This has been the
REASON OF OUR SLOW PROGRESS
- though we have had the ships to help us and many a hole they have got us out of, too.
The Turk isn’t the man with bayonet he was supposed to be, not by half.  He comes on bravely enough – he is a fatalist – but he just lacks that punch at the end to make a job of it.  You see, in the fighting at this stage of the war there are no highly trained troops – a few weeks only some of them have been at it.  Our lives in the colonies suit us better for the quick turning into soldiers – we know what it is to face danger and to act quickly.
CHARGE AT LONE PINE RIDGE
It was a sight I will never forget – the charge I was in when we captured Lone Pine Ridge.  I don’t wish ever to see such sight again.  It is only with a feeling of repulsion and loathing that I can think of it, but while it was on I was keen enough and bolted over the parapet and made across that hundred yards of fire-swept ground with only one thought in my head – “Get at ‘em!”  I had a look right and then left as I ran – just a long line of men leaning forward, bayonets at the charge and tearing along – one wild yell only, as we leaped over our parapet, and then no other sound but the roar ofTurkish rifle fire and the stunning explosions from their shell fire.  Then I was right on top of the first trench, a covered trench it was, beams of timber and earth piled on top with plenty of loopholes, and rifles spitting from every one of them.  Men were reeling back and pitching forward, but it never seemed to strike me that I was likely even to get one, and I blazed away into the loopholes.  Than all at once, the Turks were running out down a communication trench and I was firing into their bent backs as fast as I could load.  It was point blank shooting, and not much chance of missing.  The dead were piled in heaps there.  The first trench had been taken in about five minutes from the word go.  It remained to take three other lines, and we had them just as quickly.  Our men were going down like ninepins, wounded and dead strewn all over the place.  A fierce enfilading fire which we could not deal with and a storm of shrapnel opened on us.  Smoke and dust and fumes hid us completely from our own trenches, where reinforcements were massed ready to come across.  The noise of the firing seemed to shatter the firmament.  No signals could be seen, no orders heard, but we swept along shooting down into the trenches as we ran.  Then I found myself right out on the far side, and no more trenches to take.  It was here that I stopped to tie up a wounded man and got my wound.
From one of our chaps who remained behind in the trenches I learned that they saw us go in, then everything was hid from their view, and they didn’t know whether we were all dead, or what had happened.  Line after line of reinforcements were sent in, to disappear in like manner in the smoke and dust.  It must have been weird work for those thin lines of reinforcements, not knowing to what they were going.  From behind it must have looked like sheep bolting into a bush-fire.  We in the front were glad of every fresh man over.  The Turks organised some violent counter-attacks, but we held on, and our machine- guns coming over, we gave them hell as they came at us in the bunched formation that the Germans love to use.  Started to shell at 4.45pm and charged at 5.30pm.  It was 10pm before the fighting died down to any extent.  We had been
HARD AT IT FOR FIVE HOURS,
repelling counter-attacks.  Those who could walk or hobble were ordered out of the trenches, and with a crowd of other wounded I made my way out.  A few got more wounds going back, but I was lucky, and escaped with only the one.  Then to Lemnos Island, though we lay off the coast all next day and saw the success of the new landing at Suvla Bay.  Our bit of a go had been used as a blind, more or less to draw the Turks’ attention away from this quarter.  I was
COMPLETELY USED UP
when I landed at the hospital on Lemnos Island.  What with the strain of three months’ trench work under incessant shellfire, and the attack on Lone Pine – it does take it out of you, though you don’t notice it while the excitement is there to carry you along.  Then the sight of butchered men!  Fancy a narrow trench full of dead and wounded Turks, and men piling over the top of them, callously trampling on dead and wounded alike.  I did it, too; but it’s afterwards you think of it, and the frightful waste of human life, and the suffering entailed; and they talk about the glory of it!
GLORY! YE GODS!
Of course I know it has to be done, but don’t wrap it up in beautiful language, because it’s the dirtiest and most horrible job on earth, this killing of men.


Wanganui Chronicle, Vol LX, Issue 16751, 30 Sept 1916, page 4:
PERSONAL

………………………………………………………………….
Sergt Cameron Campion, son of Mr James Campion, of “Okirae”, is at present spending a few days in Wanganui, accompanied by his wife.  Sergt Campion, as is well known, went through the Dardanelles campaign from the outset, and was eventually invalided to England.  He came out to Australia a few weeks ago and, after returning from his trip to New Zealand, he will enter Duntroon Military College, preparatory to again going to the front.  Sergt and Mrs Campion are staying at the Hotel Braeburn.

Dominion, Vol 10, Issue 2979, 17 Jan 1917, page 2:
SOCIAL AND PERSONAL

Mr and Mrs C.J. Campion, visitors from Wanganui, New Zealand, have been joined at the Wentworth Hotel, Sydney, by Mr Campion’s mother and sister, Mrs and Miss Campion.


Brothers served with NZEF:

Leo CAMPION b.1886 – WW1 & 2

Con Ivan CAMPION – Pte 25379, Wellington Regt, NZEF
Disch Jan 1918
Died 20/11/1918 “Okirae”, NZ, age 23, from influenza & complications


Dominion, Vol 6, Issue 1810, 24 July 1913:
SOCIAL AND PERSONAL

The engagement is announced of Miss Doris Dall, daughter of Mr G.B. Dall, of Wellington, to Mr C.J. Campion, eldest son of Mr James Campion, “Okirae Station”, Wanganui.



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 March 2013, 10:30:36 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays

LAMPE   Frederic Ernest   607   OR/Sgt   14Bn   BHQ Orderly room Sgt remain Egypt records Sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ Egypt 4-15 to Wo2 9-15 to Wo1 12-15 to 3rd Ech AIF HQ 6-16 prom Hon 2/Lt QM 3-16 prom Hon Capt QM 3-17 F&B MBE - for his services during the war & brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services to NME UK pottery to AIF disposal board in Paris 7-19 married Hilda Sheehan at Islington UK 23-6-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 March 2013, 09:26:25 am
Frev,

Todays

SHADDOCK   Thomas George   2632   Pte   13 LHR   23R to Gnr RBAA UK 4-18 to 43Bty/11 FAB 9-18 WIA 29-9-18 face/jaw shrapnel reported 7 killed and 27 wounded suporting the US Div's attack on the Hindenberg line near St Quentin Cannal F&B deserted 12-4-19 married Annie Annal in Melksham UK 3-1-19

Since he deserted in April 1919 I am unsure if his new wife and him RTA?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 March 2013, 08:27:03 am
Frev,

A good one for you.

Murdered by wife, or don't give a loaded rifle to an angry wife, see details on page 48.

TUCKER   Leslie Steele   1461   Pte   9 LHR   11R Tos 12-15 to Arty Dtls 5-16 to AATD UK 8-16 to 8 Trg Bn UK 10-16 to 32Bn 11-16 WIA 29-9-17 back, L/arm & leg shrapnel at Polygon Wood F&B to AIF depots UK 11-17 FGCM 31-12-18 AWoL sentenced 120 days detn reduced to 80 days married Venetia Bowes at Warminster UK 16-1-19 reported accidently murdered by wife at Mont Eba South Australia 1924 brother Neil 9 LHR

I am still not sure of the date for this but there must be more in the papers?

What I like here is another young widow with son, so many widows at the end of the war, I wonder how many are on your lists are remarried?

Althought he was on detention at the time of marriage, I didn't notice if that was at Lewes Detention barracks for him to be added to those who we found married while there?


and

TUCKER   Norman Horace   1010   Pte   4+5 MVS   26R to AAVC Dtls UK 7-17 to AVH Calais 9-17 to 3 MVS 11-17 to 1 AVet Evac Stn 5-18 F&B married Alice Reader at Limehouse UK 1-9-18 later WWII

and

TUCKER   Percy   1274   Pte   10 LHR   9R Tos Gnr 1 Sect/4 DAC 4-16 to Bdr 5-16 to 41Bty/11 FAB 2-17 to 43Bty/11 FAB 5-17 WIA 28-7-17 gas reported one of 24 men gassed during the month near Warneton WIA 5-4-18 face/eye shrapnel reported 14 killed and 40 wounded when 11 FAB shelled near Dernancourt F&B married Lucy Renshaw at Ashton UK 20-2-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 March 2013, 09:14:09 pm
SHADDOCK   Thomas George   2632   Pte   13 LHR   23R to Gnr RBAA UK 4-18 to 43Bty/11 FAB 9-18 WIA 29-9-18 face/jaw shrapnel reported 7 killed and 27 wounded suporting the US Div's attack on the Hindenberg line near St Quentin Cannal F&B deserted 12-4-19 married Annie Annal in Melksham UK 3-1-19

Since he deserted in April 1919 I am unsure if his new wife and him RTA?


Ta Steve - all of the above men are new to the database.


It doesn't look like Shaddock returned to Australia.
He was actually born George Thomas Ernest SHADDOCK (in 1896) - son of George Thomas - so obviously elected to refer to himself as Thomas to distinguish himself from his father.

George Thomas E. SHADDOCK died in the Sept Qtr 1988 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England, age 91 - born 9/10/1896
Annie had died in England in 1961

His father George Thomas had attempted to enlist in 1915, but was discharged due to 4 mutilated fingers on his left hand, which he'd received in an accident 3 years previous.
He gave his brother William as his NOK because his wife was dead, and he did not know the whereabouts of his only child, son George Thomas.

So it looks like Thomas was a bit of a loner, and probably had nothing to come home for....


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 March 2013, 09:48:32 pm
Frev,

A good one for you.

Murdered by wife, or don't give a loaded rifle to an angry wife, see details on page 48.

TUCKER   Leslie Steele   1461   Pte   9 LHR   11R Tos 12-15 to Arty Dtls 5-16 to AATD UK 8-16 to 8 Trg Bn UK 10-16 to 32Bn 11-16 WIA 29-9-17 back, L/arm & leg shrapnel at Polygon Wood F&B to AIF depots UK 11-17 FGCM 31-12-18 AWoL sentenced 120 days detn reduced to 80 days married Venetia Bowes at Warminster UK 16-1-19 reported accidently murdered by wife at Mont Eba South Australia 1924 brother Neil 9 LHR

I am still not sure of the date for this but there must be more in the papers?

What I like here is another young widow with son, so many widows at the end of the war, I wonder how many are on your lists are remarried?

Althought he was on detention at the time of marriage, I didn't notice if that was at Lewes Detention barracks for him to be added to those who we found married while there?


Yep, there's heaps in the papers - have copied some of it in to my file - added below (the file may appear a little confusing, as it's still very much a work in progress!).
I didn't notice where he was held in Detention either, but don't recall seeing Lewes (must have another more careful look!)

Of the two and a half thousand I have in the database - I actually only have 115 of the new wives listed as widows when they married - but I'm sure I'll come across a lot more in future....


TUCKER, Leslie Steele – Pte 1461 – 32nd Bn, ex 9th LH

Born 1895 Mitcham, Vic – son of Leonard TUCKER (dec. Bookbinder) & Ellen McLeod HALLIDAY, who married in Adelaide in 1876
[note: SR shows born Tunstall - Mitcham is in the Admin District of Tunstall]

Siblings:
1. Reginald Leonard b.16/7/1877 Adelaide – WW1: Pte 4233, 27th Bn – DOI 3/7/1916 (RTA with debility following dysentery) on Port Sydney, buried at sea;
2. Charles Sidney b.3/4/1880 Hackney, SA – WW1: Cpl 233, Enl Apr 1916, disch Dec MU – never sailed;
3. Robert Neri b.26/4/1882 Norwood, SA – d.14/2/1884;
4. Leonard Cecil b.3/6/1884 Adelaide – WW1: Pte 4894, 5th Fld Bkry;
5. Daisie May b.11/5/1886 Kent Town, SA;
6. Leonore Pansy b.1890 Coburg, Vic;
7. Minnie Janett b.1893 Coburg, Vic;
8. Neil Gladstone b.1897 Mitcham, Vic (not Malvern, SA) – WW1: Pte 1462, 9th LH

Station Hand

WW1: Enlisted Keswick, SA
Embarked at Melbourne on the SS Hawkes Bay 26/10/1915 with the 11th Reinf of the 9th LHR

TUCKER Leslie Steele 1461 Pte 9 LHR 11R Tos 12-15 to Arty Dtls 5-16 to AATD UK 8-16 to 8 Trg Bn UK 10-16 to 32Bn 11-16 WIA 29-9-17 back, L/arm & leg shrapnel at Polygon Wood F&B to AIF depots UK 11-17 FGCM 31-12-18 AWoL sentenced 120 days detn reduced to 80 days married Venetia Bowes at Warminster UK 16-1-19 reported accidently murdered by wife at Mont Eba South Australia 1924 brother Neil 9 LHR [from Steve]

AWL 8/10/18 – 4/12/18 – CM 30/12/1918, sentenced 120 days...

Married Venetia BOWES 16/1/1919 at the Registry Office, Warminster, England

RTA with wife & 2 children (John & Philip) on the Zealandic 3/7/1919 – disembarking Adelaide 21/8/1919


Venetia:
From Marriage Cert: Venetia BOWES (widow) b.c1896, was the daughter of James DEAN (dec. Warrant Officer, Royal Navy)

Edith DEAN married John C BOWES Jun Qtr 1912 Portsmouth, England (age 16)
[Edith DEAN born Jun Qtr 1895 (Portsea Island) Portsmouth, Hampshire – daughter of James & Maria Eliza (nee Abraham) (James – Stoker 1891, General Laborer 1901 – died 1905)]

Children (3):
1.BOWES, John E – b. Jun Qtr 1912 Portsmouth, England (mother: DEAN)
John Edward BOWES died in an accident 11/5/1921 in Sth Australia

2.BOWES, Cyril L – b. Jun Qtr 1914 Portsmouth, England (mother: DEAN) – d. Jun Qtr 1915 Portsmouth, age 1

3.BOWES, Philip A – b. Sep Qtr 1917 Portsmouth, England (mother: DEAN)
Phillippe Alexander BOWES b.14/8/1917 Portsmouth, England – served WW2: enl NSW June 1940 – Sept 1946 (stating born Sydney) – NOK Venita BOWES [?] – married Violet May ASHER 1940 NSW – married Joyce Ferrell BERMINGHAM 1959 NSW
1980 ER: Bondi Junction, NSW

[note: quite a few John Bowes died in WW1 in 1917]

From letter in SR: Venetia DANIELS, 5 Alexander St, Keswick, SA (5/11/1925)

Edith Sheila Venetia TUCKER married Charles Edward DANIELS 10/5/1924 Registry Office, Adelaide
(referred to as Sheila Venetia in a couple of newspaper reports in 1923)



Died Wed 14/3/1923, when shot ‘by accident’ during a quarrel with his wife at Mount Eba Station, SA – where the couple were employed
Buried Mount Eba Station


[Note: see letters in service record from siblings – who obviously felt that Leslie’s widow, was no longer his widow (having re-married), and shouldn’t receive his Victory medal]
[Note: lose track of Venetia after her third marriage - though it's possible Charles Edward DANIELS was RSM 92 (MSM), 14th FAB - who though born in Vic & died in NSW, was working in Adelaide in 1924]


Chronicle (Adelaide, SA), Sat 21/5/1921:
A BOY KILLED
Edward John Boase (6) [sic], a stepson of Mr Leslie Tucker, labourer, of Mount Gambier, lost his life on May 11.  The boy with his father and Mr William Crouch were driving in an empty wagon to Kaladbro Station.  A gate on the way was opened by Mr Tucker, and when Mr Crouch drove on the child was jerked out.  The wheels passed over his chest and shoulder, and he was picked up unconscious.  He died a few minutes afterwards.


Morning Bulletin (Rockhampton, Qld), Sat 17 Mar 1923:
MOUNT EBA TRAGEDY
MRS TUCKER’S EVIDENCE
TARCOOLA, March 15
At the inquest into the death of Leslie Tucker, which was held at Mount Eba Station, Venetia Tucker, widow of the deceased, stated that she and her husband were a married couple employed at the station.  An argument arose over the washing tubs.  Her husband loaded a rifle, held the barrel to his head, and, pushing the butt towards her, said “Shoot me!”  The rifle exploded and her husband fell.  Witness ran to the black’s camp for assistance and then tried to stop the bleeding.  The rifle exploded accidentally.
The Coroner said that no jury would convict for murder on such evidence, as the deceased had been an accessory to his own death by acting in such a suicidal fashion as holding the loaded rifle to his head, but he would leave the Crown Solicitor to decide whether Mrs Tucker could be arraigned for manslaughter.
Tucker was buried at Mount Eba Station in the afternoon, the Coroner reading the service.
The widow will leave for Port Augusta Gaol on Saturday by rail.
Much sympathy was manifested for the widow when the facts of the case became known.

The Mercury (Hobart, Tas), Sat 17 Mar 1923:
MOUNT EBA TRAGEDY
MRS TUCKER COMMITTED ON MANSLAUGHTER CHARGE
PATHETIC GRAVESIDE INCIDENT
ADELAIDE, March 16
………………………………………………………………………………………………
The funeral of Mr Tucker took place at Mount Eba Station in the afternoon.  The Coroner read the burial service.  Messrs Jacob Bros., of the Mount Eba Station, and the station hands and police attended the funeral.  The widow, as with her four-year-old son she stood at the grave, tearfully dropped her wedding ring into the grave.
…………………………………………………………………………………………………

The Register (Adelaide, SA), Tue 27 Mar 1923:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/64186148?searchTerm

Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW), Wed 28 Mar 1923:
MOUNT EBA SHOOTING CASE
MRS TUCKER’S STATEMENT
As briefly reported in “The Miner” on Tuesday, the jury brought in a verdict of not guilty in the case of Cecilia Venetia Tucker [sic], who was charged at Port Augusta with the murder of Leonard Steele Tucker, her husband, at Mount Eba.
The case was heard before Mr Justice Poole and a jury (reports the “Advertiser”).  Mr Millhouse appeared for the Crown and Mr Coventry for the accused, who pleaded not guilty.
After evidence for the prosecution had been given the accused, making a statement, said:-
“I am 27 years of age, and was married in England at the age of 16.  My first husband died about six years later, leaving me with two children.  I worked for a few days [sic, years] alone, and then married Mr Tucker.  Eventually we came to Australia and went to Mount Gambier.  My husband, was in bad health, owing to a wound and a nervous breakdown due to the war.  At Mount Gambier my little boy was killed.  He was nearly eight years old.  When going with his stepfather he fell off a wagon and was run over.  The nerves of both my husband and myself were in a terrible state.  We left Mount Gambier and went to Adelaide.  My husband unsuccessfully tried for work, and we decided to go as a married couple and obtained employment at Mount Eba, taking with us my only child, who was four years old.  We were very happy apart from my husband’s nerves.  No girl ever wished for a better husband when he was normal.  When his nerves were bad he was quite the opposite in his treatment of me.  He would call me all sorts of names and afterwards come and ask for forgiveness, like a little child.  I went for an operation last year which nearly had serious results.  This affected his nerves, and he intended going to Adelaide for a rest.  A few days before his death he was greatly worried to the place in order for the return of Mr Ross Jacob and his wife.  On the day in question he was kalsomining.  Thinking I had better leave him alone, I went on washing.  I thought he would come back, but he did not come.  I called him to empty the tubs.  He replied, ‘Go to hell and do it yourself.’  I said, ‘You will come and help me,’ and he then used the term the court has heard.  He knew this was an insult.  I could not stand it, and called him again.  He was apparently going to the kitchen to get something.  I called him, and he repeated the words.  I said, ‘Don’t say that again, or I will hit you.  He said ‘Perhaps you would like to shoot me and went and got the gun and said, ‘You are not game.’  Again he repeated the opprobrious term.  I then jumped forward and everything appeared to be black, and as I did so the gun went off.  I did not think he was hit.  I turned him over then ran to the black’s camp.  I afterwards dressed the wound and sent an old black man for horses.  He could not get them.  I tried to get a motor bike, thinking I might go to Bon Bon, but could not manage it.  I then tried to bring him back to life.  Then I washed the body and prepared it for burial.  ……….. said that I stated to him ‘I have shot my husband.’  I don’t know whether I said this.  If so, it was only as a matter of speech.  He said also that I said I picked the gun up in a joke.  I don’t remember saying this, and cannot understand why I should have said it.”

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA), Fri 30 Mar 1923:
VIEWS AND COMMENTS
MOUNT EBA STATION TRAGEDY
From A. MARSH: - I have had the pleasure lately of being in touch with one of the relatives of the late Leslie Tucker, and, of course, heard a little of the circumstances of the case.  Leslie Tucker, whom I knew and liked, was one of the best-respected soldiers in camp.  I feel sure he was nobody’s enemy.  He was only one of five boys of the same family who did their duty.  The relatives seem heartsore to think that his remains are not in a cemetery here.  Could not we patriotic people collect amongst us the amount necessary to have his body brought down and buried with full military honors?  Surely such a noble family deserve our help.  The relatives are willing to help all they can, and anyone who makes a move in this matter can depend on my donation.  Where are all those soldiers who fought alongside of Leslie Tucker, and who knew what a splendid lad he was?

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA), Mon 2 Apr 1923:
THE EBA STATION TRAGEDY
From “A BROTHER”: - I observe that in your columns a friend of my late brother, Leslie Tucker, has kindly asked, on behalf of the relatives, for assistance in getting my brother’s body into a cemetery.  I would like to thank Mr Marsh for his kind thoughts, also Mr Elkan, of Mount Gambier, for his condolence.  Mr Marsh hopes that someone will make a move.  May I mention that I feel sure the Repatriation Department will gladly make that move if the matter is put before them?  Leslie Tucker, my late brother, was only one of five boys of the same family who did their duty in the last great war.  Our eldest brother was buried at sea.  My brother Leslie had gathered many friend, and I am sure none of them would begrudge his being buried with full military honors.  We relations are all willing to help as much as we can, but it will cost a large amount from so long a distance.

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA), Fri 6 Apr 1923:
MOUNT EBA TRAGEDY
From VENETIA TUCKER, Port Augusta: - In reply to the letters as to the burial of my husband with military honors, &c., I am sure that your correspondents and all your readers will respect the wish that my husband, Mr Tucker be allowed to remain in the outback country which was so very dear to him in life.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 March 2013, 09:38:17 am
Frev,

Thanks mate , I wonder if the death of the boy set off the events that lead to the accidental death of his step father?

Todays

SEYMOUR   Charles Thorpe   2208   Pte   13 LHR   16R tos Saddler 869Co (24Co) AASC 3 Div Trn 11-17 F&B att War chest London UK 4-19 married Edith Windmill in Barnes UK 27-3-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 March 2013, 07:08:46 am
Frev,

Todays another older man and a girl half his age, and what you like she's a nurse?

CAMPBELL   James William   3046   A/Sgt   03 LHR   23R Tos 3-17 to 15 Trg Bn UK 1-18 to 32Bn 8-18 MM - for his actions at Bellicourt & Joncourt 29 Sept and 1 Oct 1918 F&B to War Chest Club London UK 12-18 married Nurse Amy Warburton at Newton Abbot UK 23-7-18 (Boer War BCo/NSWIB (410) and L/Cpl 4 ACH (2275)

and, another one who claims to be single when enlisted but later shows up married?

CALLOW   Thomas Clarke   3106   A/Sgt   03 LHR   24R tos 4 LH Sig Troop 9-17 att RE Sig Park Moascar 12-18 to AIF HQ 4-19 to T/S/Sgt 5-19 to A/Wo1 Aust War Graves Egypt 6-19 to Hon S/Sgt Aust War Graves London UK 1-20 to ER S/Sgt 1-20 married Flora Robertson at Liverpool UK 22-12-06 (British & Boer War The Leicestershire Yeomanry 3 years to 7Co 4Bn Leicestershire Imperial Yeomanry (21463) to The Earl of Cheshire Yeomanry Regt 3 years) (82 IR to BSqn/23 LH to Prov 2/Lt BSqn 28-8-16 CMF 2 years to 1919)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 April 2013, 08:14:44 am
Frev,

Todays

BREWER   Robert William Smythe   3049   Pte   05 LHR   23R tos 8 San Sect 7-17 to 4 LHFA 12-18 to UK leave married Lily Kerridge at Ipswich UK 27-8-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 April 2013, 02:43:52 pm

Thanks mate , I wonder if the death of the boy set off the events that lead to the accidental death of his step father?


Most likely one of the factors - certainly would have added to any war stress, on top of the normal strain of eking out a living....

Thanks for all the above - all new.

Hope you've had a safe & enjoyable Easter break (as I have!)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 April 2013, 03:01:38 pm
Frev,

Todays

SMITH   Joseph   213   SQMS   10 LHR   B Sqn to Cpl remain Egypt tos Sgt - T/SQMS 10-15 (G) to 4 DAC 4-16 to T/BQMS 24 BAC 4-16 revert Sgt 4 DAC 8-16 to 112Bty/24 FAB 10-16 to 45Bty/12 FAB 11-16 revert Gnr 47Bty/12 FAB 11-17 F&B married Sarah Monk at Hanney UK 5-11-18 (25 LH CMF 2 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 April 2013, 09:18:54 am
Frev,

Todays an interesting one,

SCRIMSHAW   Charles Thomas   3332   Pte   7 LHR   27R Tos Motor Cycist 2/AM 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 7-17 Ex 2R/1Bn (1418) (1463) to Cpl 2-15 Tos 5-15 (G) FGCM 27-2-16 AWoL sentenced 6 months HL RTA as prisoner disch 17-7-16 SNLR married in Egypt (CMF 4 years later WWII)

Photographer / Cleaner   21 /19   Wellington NSW / Erskenville NSW   & NOK Alexandria Egypt / Erskenville NSW

Enlisted 4-12-14   RTA 29-4-16
relisted 31-3-17 disch in Egypt 5-3-19   

It appears during his tour with 1Bn AIF in 1915 he married a local girl who appears lived in Alexandria Egypt, she remained there after he was RTA and rejoined her after his reenlistment. They stayied in Egypt after the war and RTA some time after that?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 08 April 2013, 11:08:20 pm

Thanks Steve - already had Joseph Smith, but Charles Scrimshaw is new, and was indeed an interesting case – some detail perhaps a little sensitive to place here, but I’ll add the following for your file:

As you noted, he married Rosa Nikiri during his first stint in Egypt & was discharged there in 1919 after his 2nd stint.
He eventually returned to Sydney, arriving 22/6/1920 as a Trimmer on the SS Australplain – and in 1923 he made application for a passage for his wife to Australia (but the file hasn’t been digitized, and nothing else found to suggest she came out)
By WW2 he was living with his partner Jean & they had 2 children, and eventually married in 1945.
Post both wars he had various occupations including Labourer, Fisherman, Motor Driver & Blacksmiths’ striker – he also fell foul of the law a few times.
On the 18/2/1958 he took his own life, and is buried in the Field of Mars Cemetery, NSW

His father Ruel (his parents were separated) also served in the AIF, originally enlisting in the 1st Bn in 1914 but being returned to Australia MU, before Gallipoli.  He then re-enlisted various times, or attempted to – as his file is over 100 pages, I haven’t actually had a proper look at it yet!!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 April 2013, 08:12:20 am
Frev.

Thanks mate.

Todays I think you have?

ROBINSON   Arthur James   1329   Pte   12 LHR   7R tos Dvr 2 sect/5 DAC 4-16 to Bdr 1-17 MID - reason not stated end of war award F&B married Mary Shuter in Ashton UK 10-4-19

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 April 2013, 11:34:25 am
Frev,

Todays

SAXELBY   Cedric   174   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   2R (5Co AASC) Tos 4-15 (G) att WFF to 2 LH Bde Trn 9-16 to 34Co AASC Anzac MDT 9-17 to UK leave married Annie Fern at Worksop Wales 30-4-19

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 April 2013, 09:19:29 am
Frev,

Todays

McDONALD   James   1625   Pte   12 LHR   6R tos Dvr 2 sect/5 DAC 4-16 F&B married Helen Weston in Southwark UK 16-2-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 April 2013, 01:44:22 pm
Thanks Steve - yes, I do already have Arthur Robinson, and James McDonald too - but Cedric Saxelby is new ta.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 April 2013, 11:42:10 am
Frev,

Todays, no details on the wife?

OSBORNE   John   1003   Pte   11 LHR   4R tos C Sqn att DSqn/9 LHR 11-15 (G) to Gnr 41Bty/11 FAB 4-16 WIA 27-6-17 face/jaw fractured accident to Bdr 4-18 WIA 5-4-18 R/leg & L/shoulder shrapnel reported one of 14 killed and 40 wounded when battery areas shelled heavy around Malincourt in counter attack at Dernancourt F&B married in UK

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 April 2013, 10:11:18 pm

Hi Steve
I did already have John Osborne in the database (from the Port Napier passenger list) - but hadn't got around to doing any research on him.

I've now done so - and as a result I've also added him to my Accidental Deaths Database - details below:

OSBORNE, John – Gnr 1003, 11th FAB, late 11th LH
Born 20/4/1896 Yunta, SA – son of Joseph OSBORNE & Mary Ann SULLIVAN

Siblings: Florence; Robert Allan b.29/4/1898

OSBORNE John 1003 Pte 11 LHR 4R tos C Sqn att DSqn/9 LHR 11-15 (G) to Gnr 41Bty/11 FAB 4-16 WIA 27-6-17 face/jaw fractured accident to Bdr 4-18 WIA 5-4-18 R/leg & L/shoulder shrapnel reported one of 14 killed and 40 wounded when battery areas shelled heavy around Malincourt in counter attack at Dernancourt F&B married in UK  [from Steve]

Married Margaret Ellen TOTTERDELL Mar Qtr 1918 Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
[Born Dec Qtr 1895 Cardiff, Wales – Margaret died in SA between 1927 & 1930]

RTA together with the infant Margaret on the Port Napier, embarking 23/12/1919

Children:
1. Margaret E. b. Sept Qtr 1919 Cardiff, Wales – d.10/9/1977 Highgate, WA (bur. Karrakatta)
2. John Edward b.25/12/1920 North Kensington, SA – WW2: RAAF, Flight Sgt 417877, 97 Sqn – d.21/7/1944 during an air operation over Germany (Lancaster ND 915) – buried Eindhoven (Woensel) General Cemetery, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands
3. Patricia Florence b.30/1/1923 Nth Kensington
4. (Twin) Eileen Mary b.18/3/1927 Joslin, SA
5. (Twin) Joyce Miriam b.18/3/1927 Joslin, SA – (Nurse) d.20/12/1946 Royal Adelaide Hosp, SA, as the result of burns received in an accident in November

Died 23/9/1953 at Radium Hill Hospital, SA – after being accidentally crushed by a crane whilst unloading timber from a lorry
Buried A.I.F. Cemetery, West Terrace, SA


The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA), Tue 28 Nov 1944:
Private Casualty Advices

Mr J Osborne, of East avenue, Allenby Gardens, has been notified that his son, PO J.E. Osborne, who was previously reported missing, while on air operation over Germany on July 21, is now known to have lost his life on that date.

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA), Sat 21 Dec 1946:
DEATHS
OSBORNE
– Joyce Miriam Osborne, twin daughter of John Osborne, died December 21, (result of accident)
OSBORNE – On December 20, at Adelaide, Joyce Miriam, beloved daughter of Mr John Osborne, of Yardea Station.  Aged 19 years.

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA), Thur 26 Dec 1946:
Inquest Into Nurse’s Death

The Acting City Coroner (Mr Geo. Ziesing, SM) will hold an inquest into the death of Joyce Marian Osborne, 19, nurse, who died at the Royal Adelaide Hospital on December 20 after burns received at the Soldiers’ Memorial Hospital, Mount Barker, in November.
Nurse Osborne was mopping up some ether on the operating theatre floor when it burst into flames.  Her clothes caught alight and she received severe burns to the body.

Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW), Thur 24 Sept 1953:
MAN IS FATALLY HURT BY CRANE AT RADIUM HILL

Broken Hill’s Flying Doctor (Dr Russell Jones) attended a seriously injured man at Radium Hill, SA, yesterday afternoon.
The man, John Osborne (57), of Adelaide, died later in hospital.
Mr Osborne was working with three other men unloading timber from a semi-trailer.  A mobile crane was being used when a piece of timber caught under the lorry and threw the crane off balance.  When the crane overturned the boom fell across Osborne, pinning him to the ground.
He was taken to the township’s hospital, and Dr Russell-Jones, who was making a clinical visit to the field, gave him attention.
Mr Osborne’s injuries were extensive and he died about 20 minutes after the accident.

The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA), Fri 25 Sept 1953:
DEATHS
OSBORNE
– On September 23, at Radium Hill (result of accident), John Osborne, dearly beloved father of Margaret, Patricia and Eileen, also the late John and Joyce.  Late A.I.F.. Aged 57 years.
OSBORNE – On September 23 (result of accident), John, dearly beloved brother of Florence and Robert, brother-in-law of Jane, loved uncle of Allen, Maisie and Katie of 57 East avenue, Allenby Gardens.
FUNERAL NOTICES
OSBORNE
– THE FRIENDS of the late MR JOHN OSBORNE, ex 41st Battery, 11th Field Artillery Brigade, late of Radium Hill, are respectfully informed that his Funeral will leave the residence of his brother (Mr R.A. Osborne, 57 East avenue, Welland), on SATURDAY, at 10.30 am for the A.I.F. Cemetery, West Terrace.


Notes:
A Margaret Osborne d. 4/4/1927 & is buried in the West Terrace Cemetery (Catholic Sect) (although age is shown as 0 ?)



Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 April 2013, 08:16:46 am
Frev,

Thanks mate Tragic.

Todays, only has a change of NOK, shown Wife, Victorine Scott, 44 Rue Abd el Deyan Abdive Cairo, no other details?

SCOTT   Walter Patrick   27   Dvr   12 LHR   RHQ att RHQ/01 LHR 8-15 (G) rtn Dvr transport Troop RHQ 3-16 att 3 LH Bde HQ 8-16 rtn C Sqn 11-16 to 4 LHTR 5-17 T/att trade test 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 7-17 to ADS AIF HQ 1-19 married Victorine in Cairo Egypt

and

DAVIS   John   622   Pte   12 LHR   C Sqn att DSqn/6 LHR 10-15 (G) rtn C Sqn 4-16 to AIF depots UK 6-16 married Edith Hart in Croydon UK 3-1-18


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 April 2013, 07:00:00 am
Frev,

Todays

MADDEN   Michael James   347   Pte   12 LHR   B Sqn att DSqn/7 LHR 8-15 (G) to L/Cpl 12-18 to T/Cpl BSqn? 12-18 revert 4-19 to UK leave married Ethel Meadows at Lambeth London UK 25-5-19 later WWII

and

O'KEEFE   Claude Francis   356   Pte   12 LHR   B Sqn att DSqn/7 LHR 8-15 (G) to Cpl 2-16 to Sgt 3 Troop 5-17 (B) to T/SQMS 5-19 married Ellener Clarke at Blythswood Scotland UK 7-10-19 AKA Claude Francis O'Keeffe

and

SHARP   Frank   55   Sgt   12 LHR   A Sqn att DSqn/01 LHR 8-15 (G) rtn A Sqn 3-16 to Gnr 45Bty/12 FAB 3-16 prom 2/Lt 3-16 recom MC - for his actions at Fromells 26-7-16, at Flers 24-2-17 and at Lagnicourt 26-3-17 WIA 26-3-17 head reported during fighting Lagnicourt MC - for his actions in the capture of Merris 29/30-7-18 WIA 2-9-18 back & thigh shrapnel near Peronne F&B relist Lt Special Service married Elsie Starmer at Westminster UK 14-1-20 (16Bn cadets CMF to 61Bn 31-8-27 to RofO 18-1-29 to 11 LH 1-9-36 to Adjt/QM RHQ 15-10-36 to RofO 24-2-37 later WWII Wo1 A/2/Lt 2/3 A-Tk Regt PoW 8-4-41 reported during fighting around Mechili escaped to Switzerland Sept 1943 to Italy 1944 to T/Capt British Borneo 9-1-46 MID


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 April 2013, 08:41:04 am
Frev,

Todays

SELFE   George Stanley   189   Pte   12 LHR   A Sqn att DSqn/01 LHR 8-15 (G) to Anzac Police AProvC Cairo 6-16 to AProvC Tidworth UK 9-16 to L/Cpl 1-17 to ER Cpl 1-18 to Aust Corps HQ 10-18 to L/Sgt 2-19 MID - reason not stated F&B to ER Sgt 6-19 married Hetty Wheeler at Melcombe Regis UK 26-2-19 later WWII


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 22 April 2013, 01:40:09 pm
Thanks Steve

All these are new except for Walter SCOTT, but I haven't been able to find any more details on his marriage with Victorine.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 April 2013, 08:28:26 am
Frev,

Thanks mate

Todays

FENNER   William Augustus   5638   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   4R (6Co AASC) Tos 2-16 to 1 LH FSE 7-16 to Anzac MD HQ 12-16 to Ordnance Cpl AAOC 4 LH Bde HQ 2-17 to NME UK motor engineering married Caroline Cook at Northfleet UK 9-6-19

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 April 2013, 03:27:42 pm
Frev,

Todays. no marrage documents just a change of NOK?

KIRKBRIDE   Roland   291   Pte   13 LHR   C Sqn (G) to 5 Div Cav 4-16 to Cpl CSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 prom 2/Lt 2 Platoon ACo/38Bn 6-17 WIA 15-10-17 abdoman & L/leg shrapnel at Passchendaele F&B died at 2 Anzac Corps DS buried Brandhoek New Military Cemetery Vlamertinghe Belgium married Edna in Ispwich UK (British 1/1st City of London Yeomanry (Rough Riders)


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 27 April 2013, 02:33:48 pm
Thanks Steve - FENNER is a newby.

Turns out that KIRKBRIDE didn't actually marry overseas though - he married in Victoria in 1915 before he sailed.
His wife travelled to England in early 1917 - so hopefully she managed to spend sometime with him before he died.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 April 2013, 06:45:17 am
Frev,

Todays another who left his wife in the UK and wanted to bring her back after the war?

FRANCIS   William Percival   927   Pte   12 LHR   3R tos A Sqn att DSqn/01 LHR 11-15 (G) (B) to L/Cpl 9-18 to Cpl 2 Troop? 10-18 to T/Sgt 12-18 revert 1-19 to NME UK farming married Cicely Caunce at Willaston UK 14-2-06 (Boer War 29Co 9Bn Denbigh Imperial Yeomanry (33076) AKA William Perry Francis

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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 May 2013, 02:55:46 pm
Frev,

Todays

DAVIS   Benjamin   912   Pte   7 LHR   4R tos B Sqn 6-15 (G) WIA 15-11-17 R/shoulder shrapnel reported 2 casualties from shells when B Sqn sent to suport 7 Mtd Bde near Ain es Sejed MM - reason not stated married Florence Hunt at Lambeth UK 25-9-15 Ex 4R/1Bn (1859) & (1709) in 7 LH RO's DNE (Boer War Imperial Light Infantry (937) and Rimington's Guides/Damant's Horse

and, no details of wife only a change of NOK;

SADLIER   Thomas Edward Reginald   77   Cpl   03 LHR   A Sqn to SQMS A Sqn? 5-15 (G) to AIF depots UK 12-16 to T/RQMS 69Bn UK 3-17 prom 2/Lt 5Bn 11-17 to BCo/6Bn 11-17 F&B disch 8-8-18 MU married Edna at London UK 1917 later WWII Civil Constructional Corps


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 May 2013, 08:44:11 am
Frev,

Todays

HAMILTON   Ernest Alexander Devlin   457   Cpl/Sig   12 LHR   C Sqn att DSqn/6 LHR 8-15 (G) rtn C Sqn 3-16 to Sig/Sgt RHQ 6-16 T/att trade test 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 12-16 to 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 12-16 att 83 Sqn RFC 3-17 to 1/AM 4-17 prom 2/Lt (obsver) 69 Sqn (3 Sqn) AFC 9-17 DFC - reason not stated F&B to 7 Trg Sqn AFC 11-18 to records Sect AIF HQ 2-19 married Nancy Challoner in Paddington UK 21-12-17 born 1894 later WWII RCAF

see letter pages 61-62 of his file

cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 May 2013, 07:04:11 am
Frev,

Todays

JONES   Albert James   527   Dvr   12 LHR   C Sqn att DSqn/6 LHR 8-15 (G) to Gnr 1 sect/5 DAC 4-16 to Bdr 7-16 F&B married Ida De Figueiredo at Wallasey UK 30-7-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 May 2013, 01:57:08 pm
Thanks Steve - all are new except for Albert JONES.

T.E.R. SADLIER married Edna Mary FOY 7/2/1917 Kensington, England.
In case you weren't aware, he had 2 brothers that also served in WW1 - one of them a VC winner: C.W.K. SADLIER - also C.A.J. SADLIER.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 May 2013, 09:49:14 am
Frev,

Thanks mate no I wasn't aware.

Todays

ABDY   Charles Ernest   14   Cpl/AM   1 Half Flight AFC   Mesoptamia carpenter to Sgt Aircraft park 11-15 rtn A Flight 3-16 to 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 11-16 to Flt Sgt 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC (14a) 1-17 to Chief Mech 5-18 F&B to NME UK surveyor married Elsie Law at Sheffield UK 8-11-17

and

STUBBS   John   51   AM   1 Half Flight AFC   Mesoptamia Tos 1/AM 11-15 att 30 Sqn RFC 11-15 to Cpl 9-16 to RFC depot Egypt 1-17 to AFC depot UK 3-17 to 29 Trg Sqn RFC UK 8-17 to Sgt 9-17 to 5 Trg Sqn AFC Fernhill UK 2-18 to Sgt Mech ARS 1 Wing Leigherton UK 4-18 to NME UK making walking sticks married Una Pyart at Stroud UK 27-3-19 Ex AN&MEF (British Royal Navy 8 years)

and

No wife's name or other details?

MUNDY   William Stuart   33   Pte   1 Half Flight AFC   Mesoptamia Driver MT att 30 Sqn RFC 10-15 att aircraft park 12-15 rtn 1-16 to AIF depots UK 11-16 to AFC Dtls UK 9-17 disch 25-1-18 MU cardiac married in UK (British Royal Navy 3 years)

and, shows wife as May but when he died his wife is called Emily?

COWAN   Leslie Gordon   336   Sgt   6 LHR   C Sqn Troop Sgt revert Pte 1-15 (G) to 2 MG Co 7-16 to MG Depot UK 7-16 to EDP Cpl 7-17 to 22 MG Co married May Milne at Plumstead UK 17-7-16 disch 15-6-18 GSW L/foot later WWII L/Cpl 31 Garr Bn died from at 22 FAmb burial cremated at Beresford Crematorium Vic

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 May 2013, 11:02:50 am
Frev,

Todays

NORMAN   William Henry   10   Cpl   14 LHR   A Sqn to 8 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to Sgt 31Bn (10a) 12-16 to 69Bn in UK 4-17 rtn 10-17 recom DCM awarded MM - for his actions around Bellicourt 29-9-18 to 1-10-18 F&B to NME UK married Kathleen McDonnell at Birkenhead UK 11-1-19 (C Troop ASqn CMF 7 years)

and, I think I've mentioned before?

MOULD   William Henry   83   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to 3 Trg Bn (9Bn) UK 8-16 to 31Bn 10-16 WIA 26-9-17 R/thigh shot possibly at the Pill boxs near Joist Farm at Polygon Wood to 29Bn 6-18 rtn 31Bn 6-18 WIA 4/5-8-18 back & L/side shrapnel reported 15 casualties when shelled on move from Querrieu to front lines near Villers Bretonneux F&B married Emme Johnson in Edmonton UK 11-1-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 May 2013, 03:12:33 pm
Ta Steve – all these are new, except for MOULD, who you had passed on already.

William Stuart MUNDY married Kathleen A COOMBS in the June Qtr of 1917 at Wilton, Wiltshire, England – but I can’t find anything to suggest she came out to Australia

Also can’t find anything to suggest that Leslie Gordon COWAN’s wife, May, came out – and in 1919 he remarried – to Emily Harriett Louise DOYLE at Rockdale, NSW.
[Just a note: He was cremated at Beresfield Crematorium, NSW - not Beresford Crematorium, Vic]

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 May 2013, 07:35:33 am
Frev.

Thanks mate.

Todays

ROSS   Harold   119   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to 4 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to ACo/15Bn 1-17 WIA 12-6-17 shell shock possibly during fighting around Gapaard farm at Messines F&B married Esther Wilkin at Whitechapel UK 19-9-16

and, sad case, in what I read she made no claim against the estate of Bill after his death;

ROWE   William john Thomas   118   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to 4 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to BHQ/15Bn 10-16 to Dvr 2-17 F&B KIA 13-8-18 possibly killed during 4 Bde's advance near Guillaucourt at Amiens buried Heath Cemetery Harbonnieres France married Nellie Newton at Alnwick UK 16-1-17


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Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 May 2013, 09:48:10 am
Frev,

Todays, the marriage form as little details on this woman?

BOSHER   Arthur Thomas   97   Pte   12 LHR   A Sqn att DSqn/01 LHR 8-15 (G) to 1 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to CCo/4Bn 12-16 WIA 9-7-18 face & L/arm shot reported in raid by CCo with CCo/6Bn on the German 13th Res Div around Gerberdoem Farm near Merris F&B to AIF depots UK 9-17 to T/Cpl AIF canteens UK 4-19 married Teresa Brackam in UK 8-5-16

Shown as married, another who wanted to show wife to RTA;

HIRST   Samuel   156   Pte   12 LHR   A Sqn remained in Egypt to MG Trg Depot UK 8-16 to Sgt 3-17 to 25 MG Co 9-17 to CSM 5 MG Bn 3-18 F&B to NME UK joinery married Nellie King at Lancaster UK 23-9-1905 (British RAOC) brother in AIF

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 May 2013, 08:18:06 am
Frev,

Today, is list 334 3 MD page 12 of this mans file;

DWYER   Clarence Joseph   122


Not sure on this one? shown not married at start but later document shows married, but no details?

LAMROCK   William Leith   667   Pte   12 LHR   MG Sect att MG Sect/01 LHR 8-15 prom Lt DCo/3Bn 11-15 (G) WIA 27/28-6-16 L/arm & thigh shot reported wounded with Lt Watson at Fleurbaix - Fromells WIA 23-8-18 R/thigh shot reported during the capture of Chuignes F&B AKA William Leith Gardiner Lamrock Father William Capt CMF CE VD


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 May 2013, 03:54:26 pm

ROSS   Harold   119   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to 4 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to ACo/15Bn 1-17 WIA 12-6-17 shell shock possibly during fighting around Gapaard farm at Messines F&B married Esther Wilkin at Whitechapel UK 19-9-16

and, sad case, in what I read she made no claim against the estate of Bill after his death;

ROWE   William john Thomas   118   Pte   14 LHR   A Sqn to 4 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to BHQ/15Bn 10-16 to Dvr 2-17 F&B KIA 13-8-18 possibly killed during 4 Bde's advance near Guillaucourt at Amiens buried Heath Cemetery Harbonnieres France married Nellie Newton at Alnwick UK 16-1-17


Thanks Steve - these are both new


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 May 2013, 03:57:42 pm

Todays, the marriage form as little details on this woman?

BOSHER   Arthur Thomas   97   Pte   12 LHR   A Sqn att DSqn/01 LHR 8-15 (G) to 1 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to CCo/4Bn 12-16 WIA 9-7-18 face & L/arm shot reported in raid by CCo with CCo/6Bn on the German 13th Res Div around Gerberdoem Farm near Merris F&B to AIF depots UK 9-17 to T/Cpl AIF canteens UK 4-19 married Teresa Brackam in UK 8-5-16


BOSHER is also new (thanks) - he married Teresa Mary BRACKEN 8/5/1916 at St Pancras, London, England


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 May 2013, 04:08:47 pm

Today, is list 334 3 MD page 12 of this mans file;
DWYER   Clarence Joseph   122

Not sure on this one? shown not married at start but later document shows married, but no details?

LAMROCK   William Leith   667   Pte   12 LHR   MG Sect att MG Sect/01 LHR 8-15 prom Lt DCo/3Bn 11-15 (G) WIA 27/28-6-16 L/arm & thigh shot reported wounded with Lt Watson at Fleurbaix - Fromells WIA 23-8-18 R/thigh shot reported during the capture of Chuignes F&B AKA William Leith Gardiner Lamrock Father William Capt CMF CE VD


Steve - did already have the men on the list in DWYER's file - but I'm sure you'll find another one one day that I don't have  ;)

I do also have William LAMROCK in the database - but mainly because he married one of our AANS nurses - her file below in case any of it is of interest - Cheers, Frev


LOWE, Elma Constance Apsley, Staff Nurse (Masseuse), AANS
Married Lieut William Leith Gardiner LAMROCK, 3rd Bn on the 7/7/1917 at Dartford, Kent, England


Born 8/10/1891 “Springdale”, Spicer’s Creek, near Wellington, NSW – daughter of Stanley Septimus LOWE & Eliza May GADEN, who married in the St John’s Church, Wellington 6/6/1888 – Stanley (who had been appointed one of the Magistrates of NSW in 1892) died 1/1/1903, age 42, at Carmla, Mudgee, late of “Springdale”, Spicer’s Creek
[The Springdale property was sold in 1913]
May re-married Thomas Edward WOTTON in 1913 at St Leonards – living Orange, NSW 1915 – she died in 1919 Orange

Siblings: Henry Apsley Carlyle b.3/11/1889 Wellington – WW2; Nigel Burton Apsley b.7/3/1896 Wellington – WW1: Pte 3173, 56th Bn – KIA 8/3/1917 France

WW1:
Joined the AANS 1/11/1915
Embarked 10/11/1915 on the A67 Orsova, with 2nd AGH
On duty as Masseuse aboard the HS Nestor to Australia, embarking Suez 9/2/1916 – arriving Melbourne 13/3/1916
Re-embarked on A60 Aeneas 4/4/1916
On duty as Masseuse aboard the HS Karoola to Australia, embarking Suez 5/7/1916 – arriving Melbourne 3/8/1916
Re-embarked on A71 Nestor 2/10/1916 with No.2 Sea Transport Unit – arrived England from Australia 9/12/16 and attached to 2nd AAH Southall 10/12/1916
Attached to 3rd AAH, Dartford, England 27/12/1916
Discharged in England, having resigned her appointment due to marriage 7/7/1917


Children (4): 1.Nigel William b.28/4/1918 Kensington, London – marr Gwenyth Grace ELKINGTON 1941 – WW2 – Optician – d.1992, late of Goulburn; 2.Margaret Jean b.c1921 – Nurse – marr 1952 Westminster, UK, Donald Patrick MINEHAN (b.1924 NSW, WW2 RAAF, Civil Engineer – d.2010); 3.John b.6/9/1925 Crookwell – WW2 – marr Mary Elizabeth (Betty) McGRUER 1949; 4.Robert Ian b.12/11/1930 – marr Beverley Anne KLEIN 1954 – d.10/7/1993, age 62, late of Canowindra

Elma with the infant Nigel, embarked on the family ship Osterley 10/1/1919 at Liverpool for return to Australia, travelling as a first class passenger – the Osterley, after being delayed at Falmouth due to a slight mechanical defect, set sail again on the 16th and arrived Sydney at the start of March.  [see file on the Osterley, also Queenie Sunderland’s story of the journey]
Her husband, William, followed on the Ascanius a month later

1930 ER: Denison St, Crookwell, NSW (home duties)
1936, 1943 ER: Cumberoona, Binda, NSW (h.d. / Wm – Grazier)
1949, 1954, 1958 ER: C/- Mrs Plumb, Hillcrest Rd, Terrigal, NSW (home duties)
1963 ER: 23 Murray St, Goulburn, NSW (home duties)
[1963 ER: Nigel William & Gwenyth Grace, 32 Victoria St, Goulburn (Nigel, Optician)]

Appl for Repat July 1960

Died 19/6/1970 Gosford, NSW, age 78 – late of Wamberal
Cremated Pine Grove Crematorium, her ashes interred with her husbands in Grave No. 30, General Lawn Sect 2 at the Wamberal Cemetery, NSW


William Leith Gardiner LAMROCK
Born 1891 Orange, NSW – son of William LAMROCK & Mary GARDINER, who married 9/7/1889 Wellington
Educated Walleroi College, Orange & Sydney Grammar School
Farmer & Grazier

WW1:
Photo on MoA: http://our-anzacs.tumblr.com/post/12776746873/view-details-for-lamrock-william-leith-gardiner
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=7379424

Tpr 667, 12th LH – 1st LH / Lieut, 3rd Bn
Served Gallipoli & WF
RTA on Ascanius 9/2/1919 (ship subaltern)

Crookwell district delegate to the Soldiers Settlement Conference, Sydney 1929

1930 ER: Womerah, Binda, NSW (Grazier)
1936, 1943 ER: Cumberoona, Binda, NSW (Grazier / Elma, home duties)
1949 ER: 10 Lyons Rd, Drummoyne, NSW (no Occup) [also Wm, Architect & Civil Engineer & Margaret Jean, Nurse]
1954 ER: Billeroi, NSW (Grazier) [also Robert Ian, Grazier]
1958 ER: 24 Maranui Ave, Deewhy (no Occup)
1963 ER: 6 Prince St, Wamberal (no Occup)

Died 11/12/1972 at Canowindra Hospital, NSW – interred with his wife in Grave No. 30, General Lawn Sect 2 at the Wamberal Cemetery, NSW



The Sydney Morning Herald, Mon 14 Sept 1925:
BIRTHS
LAMROCK – September 6, at private hospital, Crookwell, to Mr and Mrs W.L. Lamrock – a son.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 22 Nov 1930:
BIRTHS
LAMROCK – November 12, at Crookwell, to Mr and Mrs W.L. Lamrock, Cumberoona-Binda – a son.

SMH 23/6/1970:
DEATHS
LAMROCK, Elma Constance Apsley – June 19,1970 (1st A.I.F.), of 6 Prince Street, Wamberal, beloved wife of W.L.G. Lamrock, loved mother and mother-in-law of Nigel and Gwen, of Goulburn, Jean and Don Minehan, of Toongabbie, John and Betty, of Binda, Robert and Beverley, of Canowindra, grandmother and great-grandmother of their families, aged 78 years.  At rest.  Privately cremated.

SMH, 3/1/1973
DEATHS
LAMROCK, William Leith Gardiner – December 11, 1972, at hospital, Canowindra, aged 81 years.

Notes:
Obituary in Mudgee Guardian 15/7/1970 (born Gulgong)
Small mention in “Wellington’s Finest”

SMH, 16/6/1888:
MARRIAGES
LOWE – GADEN – June 6, at St John’s Church, Wellington, by the Rev S.G. Fielding, Stanley Septimus Lowe, of Springdale, Spicer’s Creek, youngest son of the late Charles Lowe, of Goorie, Mudgee, to Eliza May, second daughter of R.T.B. Gaden, of Apsley, Wellington.


AWM Collection: Turkish Prisoner of War beadwork purse: E.C. Lowe & W.L. Lamrock
Description
Black and white hand made latice netting beaded bag or purse, with discoloured cream coloured cotton lining. The design of the beads creates a diamond pattern in horizontal bands of black and then white beads. The opening of the bag has a reinforced loomwork band which is decorated with the words 'TURKISH' and 'PRISONERS' in white beads on either side, with a black bead background. This is overlapped with two triangular sections of latice netting beadwork that has dark coloured cotton tassles at the end of each section. The bag can be carried by a three strand twisted black and white threaded strap, with the lower edge decorated with black and white bead fringing.
Summary
Staff Nurse Elma Constance Apsley Lowe was a member of the Australian Army Nursing Service (AANS) from 1 November 1915 and joined Number 2 Sea Transport Unit as a Masseuse, after graduating from the University of Sydney. Staff Nurse Lowe served on Masseuse Duty aboard the Hospital Ships 'Karoola' and 'Nestor', travelling between Australia and the Suez area a number of times before being detached to 3 Australian Auxiliary Hospital, London, on 27 December 1916. Staff Nurse Lowe resigned her appointment in London on account of her marriage to Second Lieutenant (2/Lt) William Leith Gardiner Lamrock on 7 July 1917. Staff Nurse Lowe and 2/Lt Lamrock had been childhood friends before they met again at Mena House, Cairo, where he was convalescing. 2/Lt Lamrock, enlisted on 4 March 1915 with 12 Light Horse Regiment (LHR). He left Australia on HMAT A29 'Suevic' on 12 June 1915. He was absorbed into 1 LHR at the Gallipoli Peninsula on 29 August 1915, and transferred to 1 Infantry Brigade on 22 November 1915. Wounded on numerous occasions, Lamrock saw action in Alexandria and France, and was repatriated to the Perham Downs facility where he convalesced from 2 October 1918. They returned to Australia on 9 February 1919. The beaded bag is presumed to have been purchased by the couple on their trip home to Australia. This loomwork and lattice beadwork purse was made by an Ottoman prisoner of war (POW) in a British POW camp, probably in Egypt. Except for fatigue duties, prisoners were generally not required to work. Making craft items, along with playing sport, games or music helped them pass the time. The prisoners also made these items as a way of making some money to buy extra rations and supplies, such as coffee or tobacco; to barter with other prisoners; or as gifts for friends or family. Although the bag has 'TURKISH PRISONERS' worked into the purse's design, the maker may not have been ethnically Turkish as the Ottoman Empire stretched from the Balkans to the Sinai, and the soldiers in its armies came from throughout the empire. The bulk of the Memorial's beadwork collection comes from Egypt but there were also prison camps in England, Salonika, Cyprus, Mesopotamia, India and France where prisoners made similar souvenirs. There are similarities in design, materials and technique in the beaded items made by prisoners which can make it difficult to know where the items were made.




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 May 2013, 07:21:07 am
Frev,

Just to add to another of your lists;

Not much details?

DERRETT   Walter   1539   Pte   6 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 disch 26-10-16 MU later suicided by drowning in 1928 at Rappville NSW (Boer War 4 QIB (331) & Sgt 5 QIB (492)

Do you have any more?

todays

JOHNSON   Jack   1625   Pte   6 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to trade test 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 11-16 to Driver MT 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 12-17 att 40 Sqn RFC 3-18 to 3 Sqn AFC 3-18 T/att 12 Sqn RAF 12-18 F&B to NME UK married Elsie Mason at Nottingham UK 31-5-19 (CMF 2 years)


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 22 May 2013, 03:55:43 pm

Steve - thanks for the new additions of Jack JOHNSON to the Marr O/S DB & Walter DERRETT to the Suicides DB.

No, I didn't have anything on Derrett - but have had a bit of a look, and below is what I've come up with so far....
Cheers, Frev


DERRETT, Walter
Born 1862 Oamaru, NZ – son of William DERRETT (d.1907 NZ, age 78) & Ann TYLER-SMITH (d.1905 NZ, age 81) [birth reg. under Derret]

[The Derrett family lived at Oamaru 1860 – 1873, before moving to Patea]
“Pine Hill”, Patea, Taranaki, NZ

Sister – Mrs Emily Long, “Berkley” Cromwell Rd, Mt Eden, Auckland, NZ [NOK WW1]
[Emily DERRETT married Francis LONG 12/8/1880 St George’s Church, Patea, NZ – Emily LONG d.20/12/1917 at her residence 34 Cromwell Rd, NZ, age 61, (b.c1856), widow of the late Julian F. Long – daughter of William of Pine Hill]
Brothers– William (jnr); Edward; Charles –d.1882 accident
[Robert (well-known Jockey) – brother or cousin? – born England, travelled to NZ in 1958 as a child with his family – d. 1937 NZ]

[Apparently sent to Australia as ‘black sheep’ of family – source OZB, via his niece]
Possibly came to Australia in 1882 on the Manapouri

[A Walter Derrett married Joanna Quinlivan 1885 Deniliquin, NSW]
[A Walter Derrett married Katherine Evelyn Kingswell Paul 18/3/1900 Qld]

Boer War:
1. May 1900: Pte 331, 4th Qld Imperial Bushmen – Address: Tangorin, West Qld [NOK, C/- William Derrett, Patea, Wellington, NZ] – admitted Pretoria Hospital 28/8/1900 with Pneumonia, invalided home (Pneumonia & Bronchitis) on the Orient, leaving Capetown 13/12/1900 & arriving Brisbane 16/1/1901 – discharged 23/1/1901
2. 1901: Sgt 492, 5th Qld Imperial Bushmen [NOK, wife in Brisbane] – discharged in Sth Africa May 1902 to take up employment

Received assistance in the payment of his fare, for repatriation back to Brisbane, Australia from Capetown, Sth Africa, in 1907 – where he had been labouring in the Transvaal
Stated he had lived in Australia for 23 years – age 44

1913 ER: Walter Derrett, Barcaldine, Qld – drover

Occupation (on enlistment): Veterinary Dresser

WW1:
Enlisted 28/9/1915 Dubbo, NSW, (giving his age as 44, he was 53) – Tpr 1539, 6th LH
Embarked 23/10/1915 on the SS Hawkes Bay – with Details at Maadi 27/12/15 – M/O to Serapeum 23/2/16
Adm 2nd LH FA, Hill 70 Kantara 10/6/16 – CCS Kantara – Scot Horse FA 12/6/16 – HS Niagra – adm 31st GH, Port Said 13/6/16 - Brit Red Cross Hosp, Montazah 30/6/16 – adm 3rd AGH, Cairo 26/7/16 (Laryngitis)
RTA on Borda, from Suez 17/8/1916 – for 3 to 4 months change, due to loss of voice from Laryngitis
Discharged 26/10/1916

Address 1917: Bulahdelah, via Stroud, NSW

Daily Observer (Tamworth, NSW), Tue 29 Oct 1918:
CONTRACTOR’S HEAVY LOSS
Mr Walter Derrett, who is contracting for Mr Mat Meagher, at Dungowan, suffered a severe loss through his camp being destroyed by fire, on Friday afternoon last.  The origin of the fire is unknown.

Northern Star (Lismore, NSW), Wed 4 Feb 1925:
NEAR AND FAR
Before Mr Jas. Allison, J.P., at Coraki on Saturday Walter Derrett on a charge of cruelty to animals, namely, driving a horse with a sore shoulder, was fined 10s, in default seven days’ imprisonment.

Died Good Friday 6th April 1928 – drowned himself in Myrtle Creek, Rappville, NSW (near Casino) – and was buried in a lone grave on its banks [date reported to be on headstone is possibly date of burial]

Northern Star (Lismore, NSW), Wed 11 Apr 1928:
METHODICAL SUICIDE – LETTER TO THE POLICE

RAPPVILLE, Tuesday
A determined suicide was committed on Good Friday night by an old man named Walter Derrett, by drowning in Myrtle Creek above the bridge at the rear of Mr J. Gulliver’s home.  He had been camped near the spot for the past fortnight, having removed from Camira where he was domiciled for some time previously.  Deceased was an old war veteran, having participated in the South African campaign, and again saw active service in the great war.  He usually followed bush work for a living and at one time was employed on the tick staff at Woodenbong.  In appearance he was always neat and clean and exceptionally well dressed.  He appeared to be a well educated man, was presumed to be a native of New Zealand, and about sixty-five years of age.
That deceased fully intended taking his own life was revealed in a letter which he had written to Const. Davey, at Rappville, and which he timed to reach that officer the morning following the unfortunate deed.  A recent illness, which caused a complete breakdown in health, coupled with financial worries and the knowledge that his wife, who is an invalid in Sydney, was not improving in health, apparently were the contributing factors in determining the taking of his life.
On receipt of the letter Const. Davey hurried to the spot and found, as outlined in the letter, the camp belongings neatly packed in the buggy and covered with a tent fly.  Pathetically sad was the spectre of his dog, companion of many years, which still kept a faithful watch, and savagely refused to allow anyone to approach.  About 200 yards further up the creek, two young silky oak trees standing about ten feet apart with branches entwined as if forming a gateway, were neatly marked by deceased with a penknife.  From here the pathway led down through creepers and overhanging limbs to a narrow beach of sand fringing a wide stretch of water, where an old felt hat tied to a limb leaning out over the water was found.  Due to the recent wet season the creek, which normally is a shallow, sandy stream, with deep holes scattered along the course and full of logs and debris, was half full and a strong current running.  These conditions greatly hampered the search for the body.  Dragging operations, and a vigilant search were continued until late on Sunday, but without success.  Early on Easter Monday morning Mr J Gulliver discovered the body floating face downwards about 150 yards further down the stream.  The police arrived shortly after, when the body was recovered from the water and identified as that of Derrett.

Northern Star (Lismore, NSW), Sat 7 Jul 1934:
IN LONELY GRAVE

[Photo of grave]
A diggers’ lonely grave on the bank of Myrtle Creek.  It is about 300 yards from the road, in the travelling stock reserve.  The tablet at the head of the grave bears the inscription: “Walter Derrett, late A.I.F.  Passed away 15th April, 1928.”  He also saw service at the South African war.
(Snapshots competition – Mrs G.F. Newson, Myrtle Creek)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/94540565?searchTerm


Notes:
NZ Papers Past – 18/8/1880
MARRIAGE
LONG – DERRETT – On August 12 ……. Patea….. to Emily, only daughter of William Derrett, Esq., of Pine Hill

His mother Ann died 11/11/1905 at her residence Grange Rd, Mount Eden

NZ Papers Past: Wanganui Herald, 23 Jan 1907:
PATEA
(From Our Own Correspondent)
One of Patea’s oldest settlers passed away in Auckland yesterday afternoon, in the person of Mr William Derrett.  Mr Derrett purchased the estate at Whenuakura known as “Pine Hill,” at the original Government sale, and has held it ever since, and with the help of his sons and late wife transposed it from wild country into a most beautiful home, the flowers, shrubs, and fruit gardens, which were the cherished delight of the late Mrs Derrett, being known and admired far and wide.  A few years ago Mr Derrett removed to the milder climate of Auckland, where he has resided up to the time of his death.  Mr Derrett’s name will long be gratefully cherished and remembered here by a large circle of friends and acquaintances for his kindness, sociability, probity, and, not least, for sound advice.  Many years ago he was raised to the Commission of the Peace, and his views on public events agitating the minds of men were largely sought after and valued by local politicians, and so, indirectly, he left his mark on passing events.  Both Mr Derrett and his late wife were munificent supporters of St George’s (Anglican) Church, and their absence from Patea has been keenly felt.  The beautiful stained east windows which he presented to the church on his last return from England will prevent his name from ever being forgotten in this town.  The relatives of the deceased have the sincere sympathy of everyone in this district in their sad bereavement.




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 May 2013, 08:02:13 am
Frev,

Thanks mate, pity they didn't place his grave in a local cemetery?

Todays , married a nurse, civil not military?

MINSHALL   Lance   2057   Pte   6 LHR   14R to 115Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 5 DAC (2057b) 5-16 F&B married Nurse Dorothy Norton at Woolwich UK 29-1-17

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 May 2013, 02:44:12 pm
Steve - no doubt they had their reasons - be interesting to know what condition the grave's in these days - perhaps some kind local looks after it!


Ta for Dorothy & Lance MINSHALL - it looks like she may have actually served with one of the British Military Nursing Services - the TFNS.

Lance's full name was Lancelot George - although he died at a fairly young age (57) - (died 29/7/1946 Belmore, Sydney - buried Rookwood Cemetery) - the couple had 7 children & it looks like all 4 of the boys served in WW2. Dorothy died at the amazing age of 96 (in 1985).

Lance's brother - Clarence James MINSHALL, Pte 5416, 13th Bn, was KIA 29/8/1916 France

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 May 2013, 09:46:37 am
Frev,

Thanks mate

Todays, no document?

FLINT   Percy Edwin   1570   Pte   10 LHR   12R Tos 1-16 to Dvr 3 Sect/4 DAC 4-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 1-18 to EDP Cpl 6-18 married in UK reported died from war service 1934

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 June 2013, 05:44:36 pm

Steve - you've found another sad one here....

Percy married a British VAD Nurse, who apparently nursed him on his first 'Blighty' - unfortunately she died 9 months after their marriage!

Got a little carried away here, but will attach the whole file, as someone may like to wade through it!!
Cheers, Frev


FLINT, Percy Edwin – 1570, 4th DAC ex 10th LH

Born 20/7/1881 Goulburn, NSW – son of Joseph FLINT (Railway Guard) & Martha TICKNER, who married in Camden, NSW in 1868
Joseph d.20/12/1890 Goulburn, age 45 (cancer) & Martha d.15/12/1893 Goulburn, age 44 (after a short & painful illness)

Siblings: Thomas H b.1869 Camden – d.1872; Alice E b.1971 Berrima; Charles Edward b.1873 – marr Florence Mary McMULLEN 7/11/1896 Fremantle – d.8/3/1902 Fremantle, age 28; Frank Joseph b.1875 – marr Jessie BUSBRIDGE 17/5/1897 – d.1913; Allick John b.1877 Goulburn – d.1878; Gertrude May b.1879; Emily B b.1883; Bernice Irene b.1888 – marr William J. JEWELL 1908 Camden [listed as his NOK]

Religion: Church of England
Clerk, Holmes Bros., wholesale and retail butchers at the Port, WA
Farm hand, Round Hill, WA
Teamster, Moora, WA

WW1:
Originally tried to enlist in June 1915, but was found unfit due to a varicose vein in his leg
Enlisted successfully at Blackboy Hill, WA 7/8/1915 – embarked at Fremantle 22/11/1915 on the RMS Mongolia with the 12th Reinf of the 10th LH Regt
TOS of 4th DAC & mustered Gunner at Serapeum 7/4/1916 – appointed Driver 1/5/16
Embarked on Oriana 6/6/1916 – disembarking Marseilles 13/6/16
Rheumatism 28/11/16 – Bronchitis & Trench foot 24/12/16 – Glenart Castle to England
Adm 4th London General Hosp 1/1/1917 (where he was apparently nursed by Violet)
Re-adm Wareham Mil Hosp 19/2/1917 with Influenza

Returned to France 16/8/1917 7 rejoined 4th DAC 22/8/17
Fibrositis 28/10/1917 – to England on Carisbrook Castle 10/11/17 & adm War Hosp, Bath 16/11/17
Furlo 7/1/1918 – 21/1/1918, during which time he married
Transferred through the camps in England until his RTA – AWL 22/11/18 – 4/12/18, but case dismissed (probably on compassionate grounds owing to the death of his wife)

Married Violet Millicent VICARY on the 9/1/1918 at St Ann’s Church, Tottenham, England
[Violet, age 25, only daughter of John William (House Decorator)] – born Mar Qtr 1893 St George Hanover Square, London
Violet was a VAD Nurse [Brit MIC]
She died 12/10/1918 Wilton, Wiltshire, England – and is buried in the Barford St Martin Church Cemetery, Wiltshire [death possibly from childbirth complications or influenza]

RTA on the Somali 10/12/1918 – 21/1/1919 (Invalid – Rheumatoid Fibrosis)

Married Nellie WALTON 1923 Perth
[Born 1902 Wolverhampton, England

Children: Bernice b.c1926 & Doreen b.c1928

1925 ER: Farm Foreman – Warwick Park, Moora (with Nellie)
Clerk with Mr James Stevens, a Fremantle land and estate agent
1931 ER: Clerk – 57 Bellevue Tce, Fremantle (with Nellie)
District (BD&M) Registrar for Fremantle (for a couple of years up to his death)

Died 14/11/1934 at Perth Hospital, age 53 – buried Fremantle Cemetery – Anglican MON A5, 0329 (Grantee – Nellie Flint)
Nellie buried with him – died 25/11/1995, age 93


Nellie took over the job of Registrar after her husband’s death
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/85025090?searchTerm
1937 ER: Nellie is listed as the Deputy District Registrar at Fremantle

WW2: Nellie, b.1/11/1902 Wolverhampton, England – NOK Bernice – served 1943 – 1946 with Western Command HQ
1949, 1954 ER: A.W.A.S. – 388 Beaufort St, Perth


Sunday Times (Perth, WA), Sun 7 Apr 1918:
Perth Prattle

A Moora man – Gunner Percy Edwin Flint – had a war romance, and it has ended happily.  In January, 1917, he was an inmate of the 14th [sic] London General Hospital, and was there nursed by a pretty young English-woman of good family.  Returning to his unit the Gunner again met the lady in France, the nurse having in the meantime been attached to a war hospital on the Gallic side of the Channel.  In November the Moora artillerist was again invalided to England, and a month later the nurse was also ordered across the narrow seas to undergo an operation for a septic hand.  They met again, and the operation being successful the lady gave him her hand for life.  Her name is (or rather was) Violet Millicent Vicary, and she is the only daughter of Mr John Vicary, Auriol Mansions, West Kensington, London.  At the wedding she wore saxe blue and a black picture hat, and the bridesmaids wore brown dresses with black hats to match, together with rising sun brooches, mounted on rifles, the gifts of the bridegroom.  Mr Leslie C. Annear, of Round Hill, Moora, acted as best man.

[Leslie Charles Annear – Dvr 1839A (MM) – 11th FAB (ex 10th LH) – RTA 5/3/1919]

The West Australian, Fri 16 Nov 1934:
DEATHS
FLINT
– On November 14, 1934, at the Perth Hospital, Percy Edwin, dearly beloved husband of Nellie Fint, of 164 C…… -street, Fremantle, and loving father of Bernice and Doreen; aged 53 years.

Sunday Times (Perth, WA), Sun 18 Nov 1934:
THE LATE MR P.E. FLINT
Passing of a Popular Portonian

The death last Wednesday of Mr Percy Edwin Flint, District Registrar at Fremantle, is deeply regretted by a wide circle of friends, to whom his demise came as a shock, even though it was known that he had for some time been in poor health.
The late Mr Flint, who was 53 years of age, came to this State from New South Wales at an early age, and was employed as a clerk for a number of years by Holmes Bros., wholesale and retail butchers at the Port.  At the outbreak of the war, he was located at Moora, and enlisted with the 10th Light Horse.  Transferring later to the 4th Division Ammunition Corps, he was on active service for practically the whole period of the war, serving with distinction, and returned to Western Australia very badly gassed.
For three years after the demobilisation, he was employed as a farm manager, which position he relinquished to enter the service of Mr James Stevens, a Fremantle land and estate agent.  About two years ago he was appointed to the position which he held at the time of his death.

Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW), Mon 19 Nov 1934:
P.E. FLINT

The death occurred on Wednesday last, at Fremantle, of Mr Percy E. Flint, youngest son of the late Martha and Joseph Flint, formerly of Goulburn.  Alice, Gertie, Emily and Bernice are sister of deceased.


Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW), Tue 23 Dec 1890:
Obituary
MR JOSEPH FLINT, the well-known railway guard, died at his residence on Saturday last after an illness of some months.  He had been suffering from internal cancer, and his case was hopeless from the first.  Mr Flint had a large circle of acquaintance in Goulburn by whom the news of his death will be received with regret.  Deceased was 45 years of age.

Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW), Thur 25 Dec 1890:
DIED
DECEMBER 20th, at his residence, Beppo-street, Goulburn, after a long and painful illness, JOSEPH FLINT, aged 45 years, leaving a loving wife and seven children to mourn their loss.
The trial is hard, the sting severe,
To part with a husband and father so dear,
Tho’ hard to bear, we’ll not complain,
But trust in Heaven to meet again.



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 June 2013, 09:30:43 am
Frev,

Thanks mate always nice to see the back ground to these events.

Todays, no document only her address at the War Hospital in London possibly a nurse?

O'CONNOR   George Herbert   811   A/Cpl   6 LHR   3R tos A Sqn 5-15 (G) to MP (AProvC) Abbey Wood depot UK 4-16 to 1 trg Bn UK 9-16 to Cpl DCo/4Bn 10-16 to Sgt 4-17 WIA 5-5-17 L/arm shrapnel reported 80 casualties when unit shelled in reserve near the railway at Bullecourt F&B disch 16-4-18 married Emily in UK later WWII

and, again same surname, related?

REYNOLDS   Neil Standish   812   Pte   6 LHR   3R tos B Sqn 5-15 to C Sqn 5-15 to L/Cpl 8-15 to T/Cpl 9-15 recom MID - for his work guiding mules with ammo & water at Anzac between Aug to Dec 1915 to Cpl 12-15 (G) to Sgt 3-16 to T/SQMS 3-17 revert 8-17 WIA 3-12-17 L/shoulder shot in raid at Bald Hill reemb Sgt 2 NSW GSR (R812) rtn 6 LHR 8-18 prom 2/Lt 1-19 to NME UK married Melicient Reynolds in Bath UK 23-8-19 later WWII father in law Henry LtCol British Army died

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 03 June 2013, 02:37:29 pm
Steve - I did already have Neil & Millicent Reynolds, from the Wahehe passenger list - but haven't done any further research on them yet - so don't know if they were related before marriage.

George O'Connor is new (ta) - but I don't think Emily was a nurse - part of her address includes 'Kitchen Depot' & there are 2 British Medal Index Cards for an Emily Mills with the QMAAC (Army Auxiliary) - so one or both of these is possibly more likely her - working in the hospital kitchen.
Anyway, have attached the file just in case any of it is of interest....Cheers, Frev


O’CONNOR, George Herbert – Sgt 811, 4th Bn (ex 6th LH)
Born 29/1/1891 Raleigh, NSW – son of John Patrick O’CONNOR (Civil Servant) & Eliza Jane UNDERWOOD – who married 1889 NSW
Eliza died 26/4/1932, age 61 of a Stroke; John died 17/4/1946, age 85
Addresses: Fitzroy St, Grafton, NSW 1914 / Boyd St, Tweed Heads, NSW 1930

Siblings: Mrs T. Noonan (Grafton); Mrs C. Ormsby (Yarraman); Mabel b.c1900 Bellinger River – marr W.T. ROBERTS (Tweed Heads) – d.10/2/1933; Mrs Gus Green (Sydney); Doreen (Tweed Heads);
John Glendon b.24/12/1892 – WW1: Spr 23079, Wireless Sig Sqn – WW2;
Albert James b.18/10/1894 – WW1: Dvr 2653, 1st MG Bn – WW2


Religion: Roman Catholic
Butcher

WW1:
Enlisted 16/11/1914 – Prom Cpl 1/1/1915 – embarked 6/2/1915 on the A6 Clan MacCorquodale, with the 3rd reinforcements of the 6th LH Regt
Embarked on the HMT Lutzow 15/5/1915 to join the MEF at Gallipoli
Sick to 1st Fld Amb 23/8/15 (Influenza, Dysentery) – to Mudros 25/8/15 – emb Ascanius to Malta 28/8/15– and adm Floriana Hosp, Malta 31/8/15 – emb HS Regina d’Italia 8/9/15 to England – adm County of London War Hosp, Epsom 15/9/1915 [possibly met Emily during his time here]

Aus Base, Abbey Wood 12/2/1916 – att to Temp Staff of Depot (M.P.) 18/4/16 – Burtpore Depot 8/6/16
M/I from Park House to 4th Bn 6/9/1916
Proc O/S to France 16/9/1916 & M/I to Base Depot, Etaples 17/9/16 – TOS 4th Bn 2/10/16
To Hosp 25/12/16 (Bronchitis) – Conv Depot 31/12/16
Re-joined 4th Bn 19/1/1917
Prom Sgt 1/4/1917
Wounded 5/5/1917 (GSW left arm) – emb Cambria 17/5/17 for England & adm 2nd Eastern Gen Hosp, Brighton (dangerously ill) – tsfd to 1AAH, Harefield 28/6/1917

Married Emily MILLS 8/8/1917 Milton, Kent, England
Address: Kitchen Depot Horten County of London War Hosp, Epsom
[2 Emily Mills’ were with the QMAAC, 13706 & Wkr 15724]
[b.1891 Kent – daughter of Thomas William MILLS & Annie Maria SPICE]
Died 1969 Murwillumbah

RTA on the A38 Ulysses 10/9/1917 – 15/11/1917 (GSW left arm)
[Emily followed later]
Discharged 16/4/1918


Children: Betty – marr Selwyn L. CAMPBELL 1941 Casino, NSW ; George Mills, Dairy Farmer (appl Gallipoli Med 1967 Tygalgah, Murrwillumbah); Gerald John b.25/2/1924 Nabiac, NSW, Farmer – WW2: 1942 – 1946, Pte HQ 32 Supply Depot Coy


1929: Treasurer of the Tweed Heads & Coolangatta local sub-branch of the R.S.S.I.L.A.
1930 ER (Electoral Roll): Baker, Tweed Heads, NSW (with Emily)
From at least 1931 to 1940: (Hon) Secretary of the Tweed Heads & Coolangatta local sub-branch of the R.S.S.I.L.A.
1933: Place of business destroyed by fire
1936: Storekeeper, Tweed Heads Cash & Carry – Declared Bankruptcy
1937: President of the Distressed Soldiers’ Comforts Club (Tweed Heads)
1943 ER: No Occup shown, Cobaki, (Tweed Heads) NSW (with Emily)
1954, 1958 ER: No Occup, Bray’s Creek (Murwillumbah), NSW (with Emily)

WW2:
Enlisted Enoggera, Qld, 1940 – 1945, WO Class 2, 32 Supply Depot Coy, AASC

Died 1960 Murwillumbah


Northern Star (Lismore, NSW), Thur 6 Apr 1933:
FIRE AT TWEED HEADS
The two-storey building at Tweed Heads, formerly known as Greenwood’s, and occupied by G.H. O’Connor, storekeeper; J.C. Simonson, mercer; and D.R. Browne, bootmaker, has been destroyed by fire.  The Tweed Café next door, occupied by Mesdames Gill and White, was badly damaged by water and smoke.
The outbreak was discovered at 12.45 am yesterday.  The brigade was soon on the scene, and did good work in preventing the flames from spreading and wiping out the whole block.  At 2 o’clock the fire was under control.

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld), Fri 27 Nov 1936:
REASONS FOR BANKRUPTCY
“S.P. BETTING SHOP AND WAR INJURIES”
Before the Registrar in Bankruptcy (Mr J.O. Alexander), in the Commonwealth Bankruptcy Court yesterday, George Herbert O’Connor, a storekeeper of Tweed Heads, who had traded under the name of Tweed Heads Cash and Carry, was examined in bankruptcy.
O’Connor, who said he had been declared bankrupt on his own petition, on October 26, explained that the noise made in a starting price shop, and the conduct of its patrons, kept decent people away from his business.  He also blamed for his bankruptcy the recurrence of war injuries, explaining that they prevented his paying proper attention to his affairs.
He added that he was the third in succession to go bankrupt in the same shop.
O’Connor’s statement of affairs showed liabilities to unsecured creditors of 968 pounds 4s 5p, and to creditors fully secured of 70 pounds, while his assets were 880 pounds, leaving a deficiency of 138 pounds 4s 5p.
Questioned by the Official Receiver (Mr J.D. Keenan), the bankrupt said he had started business in February 1933.  He had kept no books except a debtors’ ledger.
The examination was adjourned to a date to be fixed.
Mr A.J. Mansfield (instructed by Messrs Fitzgerald and Walsh) appeared for the trustees.

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld), Sat 13 Mar 1937:
TWEED HEADS
COMFORTS CLUB MEETING
At the annual meeting of the Distressed Soldier’s Comforts Club (Tweed Heads), the report of the president (Mr G.H. O’Connor), said 47 pounds had been raised during the year, and expended on deserving cases of distress.  ………………………………………


The Catholic Press (NSW), Thur 24 Jan 1918:
GRAFTON
Mr J.P. O’Connor, who has been stationed on this river for a considerable number of years in the dredge service, has been removed to Tweed Heads in charge of a dredge.  Mr O’Connor is a good, practical Catholic, a councillor in the A.H.C. Guild, and took a great interest in Labour league matters at Grafton.  Three of his sons have been on active service; one (George), who resides in Sydney, returned badly wounded some little time back.  He married an English girl whilst in hospital, but his wife was not permitted to accompany him to Australia.  Mr O’Connor, senr., was a convincing debater, and took the platform against conscription during the Referendum.

The Brisbane Courier (Qld), Thur 28 Apr 1932:
Mrs J.P. O’Connor
At Tweed Heads on April 26, as the result of a stroke, from which she did not regain consciousness, the death occurred, at the age of 61 years, of Mrs Eliza Jane O’Connor, wife of Mr J.P. O’Connor, who for 37 years was connected with the dredge service of New South Wales, on the coastal rivers, from Shoalhaven to the Tweed.  The late Mrs O’Connor was the daughter of Mr and Mrs George Underwood, of Cape Hawke (Foster), and, in 1884 [sic, 1889], was married to Mr J.P. O’Connor, who was then stationed at Cape Hawke.  She is survived by her husband and eight children, Mesdames T. Noonan (Grafton); Mrs C. Ormsby (Yarraman); Mrs W.T. Roberts (Tweed Heads); Mrs Gus Green (Sydney); Miss Doreen O’Connor (Tweed Heads); and Messrs George Herbert (Tweed Heads), John Glendon (Dubbo); and Albert James (Grafton).  The interment took place at Tweed Heads yesterday afternoon.

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld), Mon 19 May 1941:
WEDDINGS
Campbell – O’Connor
A white georgette gown and tulle veil were worn by Miss Betty O’Connor (only daughter of Sergeant and Mrs G.H. O’Connor, Tweed Heads) when she was married to Mr Selwyn L. Campbell (second son of Mr and Mrs H. Campbell, Casino) in the Church of England, Casino.  ………………………………………..


Notes:
WW1 record shows born Raleigh, WW2 record shows born Fernmount, birth is registered at Bellingen – Fernmount is between Raleigh & Bellingen



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 June 2013, 02:51:40 pm
Frev,

Ta,

Todays no document?

MORELL   Roy   42   Sgt   6 LHR   A Sqn prom 2/Lt C Sqn 8-15 to MG officer MG Sect 10-15 (G) prom Capt OC 13 MG Co 3-16 to staff Capt 13 Bde HQ 10-16 recom MC awarded DSO - for his command of 13 MG Co and staff work at Fleurbix - Fromelles and to date during war Feb to Oct 1916 prom Bde Maj 13 Bde HQ 2-17 prom Maj 3-17 to GSO (2) MG officer Aust Corps HQ 7-18 det 1 Div HQ 10-18 OBE & MID - reasons not stated F&B married in UK later WWII brothers Throsby MC Maj died, James Lt 45Bn and Henry MC Capt 51Bn

and brother again no document?

MORELL   Henry Herbert   150   Pte   6 LHR   A Sqn B Troop? to L/Cpl 11-14 to Cpl 12-14 to Sgt 8-15 (G) prom 2/Lt DCo/51Bn 3-16 to bombing officer BHQ 7-16 WIA 3-9-16 knee shot or shrapnel reported during German attack at Mouquet Farm at Poziers & MC - for his actions at Mouquet Farm & Pozieres between Aug to Sept 1916 prom Capt 1-18 F&B married Jean in UK knicknamed "One "R" for spelled Morell with one R see unit history page 25 brothers Throsby MC Maj died, James Lt 45Bn and Roy DSO Maj 13 Bde HQ


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 June 2013, 07:48:45 am
Frev,

Another of those who claim wife in the UK. There is no document in file but in a letter he claims to be married for 13 years?

MAXWELL   Harry Arthur   555   L/Sgt   6 LHR   C Sqn to B Sqn 5-15 WIA 2-7-15 shock & influenza at Chathams Post (G) to AIF depots UK 1-17 disch to Ammo Worker (British Cape Town Highlanders 2 years) AKA real name Harry Arthur Skinner

and, married an aussie girl in the UK!

WALKER   Harold Victor   580   Pte   6 LHR   C Sqn (G) to AIF base Cairo 11-15 to Sgt 12-15 to records sect AIF HQ London UK 10-16 married Dorothy Vane in Westminster UK 20-10-16 brothers Oswald and Westby 6 LHR

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 June 2013, 02:39:42 pm
Frev,

Todays

MILNES   Frank Stewart   521   Pte   6 LHR   A Sqn to Saddler 11-14 to Sad/Sgt 6-15 remain Egypt to RHQ 12-15 to 3 weeks UK leave (to be married) 3-18 rtn 5-18 to UK leave 11-18 married Mary Holt at Rochford UK 27-3-18 disch UK 26-3-19 AKA Frank Stuart Milnes

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 June 2013, 07:39:08 am
Frev,

Todays

GRAVES   Ambrose John   1090   Pte   6 LHR   7R Tos RHQ? 10-15 to Dvr 15 BAC 3-16 to 55Bn 12-16 WIA 26-3-17 L/Leg shot holding the line from Haplincourt to Villers au Flos to Dvr 4 DAC 6-17 F&B to AIF depots UK 5-18 married Nellie Gunning in Twickenham UK 25-5-17 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 June 2013, 08:10:01 am
Frev,

Todays

BACKHOUSE   Noel Roston   929   Pte   6 LHR   5R Tos A Sqn disemb Murdos ill 10-15 (G) to D Sqn 1-16 to Kit Stores (ADS) 3-16 rtn A Sqn/6 LHR 8-17 to NME UK wool married Edith Wallace at Dundee Scotland 15-10-19 (Irish Rifles IR 1910 CMF 9 months later WWII) AKA Noel Paxton Backhouse brothers Allan Lt 3Bn and Clive 30Bn


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 June 2013, 09:24:37 pm

Thanks Steve - these are all new except for Ambrose GRAVES who I already had.

Had a bit of a look into the MORELL brothers, and turns out that Henry actually married an Aussie, who was in England with her mother.  This led me on to discover that her brother, a Capt in the 35th Bn also married an Aussie girl in England - unfortunately though, he was KIA the following year. 
I've also added their brother Throsby Morell to my suicides database.

Anyway, have added the files of the Morell brothers in case any of it is of interest:


MORELL   Roy   42   Sgt   6 LHR   A Sqn prom 2/Lt C Sqn 8-15 to MG officer MG Sect 10-15 (G) prom Capt OC 13 MG Co 3-16 to staff Capt 13 Bde HQ 10-16 recom MC awarded DSO - for his command of 13 MG Co and staff work at Fleurbix - Fromelles and to date during war Feb to Oct 1916 prom Bde Maj 13 Bde HQ 2-17 prom Maj 3-17 to GSO (2) MG officer Aust Corps HQ 7-18 det 1 Div HQ 10-18 OBE & MID - reasons not stated F&B married in UK later WWII brothers Throsby MC Maj died, James Lt 45Bn and Henry MC Capt 51Bn

MORELL, Roy
Born 28/5/1889 Wollongong, NSW – son of James Harris MORELL (Bank Manager; d. May 1938) & Frances Helen HOPKINS (d.1934) – who married at Moss Vale 12/1/1882

Siblings: Annie C b.1882; Charles Leslie b.16/7/1884 – d.1969 St Leonards, NSW;
James Francis b.1891 – WW1 – d.1974 NSW; Henry Herbert b.1893 Wollongong – WW1; Throsby S J b.1895 Kempsey – WW1: Maj, 3rd Div Fld Arty HQ – d.27/2/1919 France

Educated: Wolaroi Grammar School, Orange, and Newington College, Sydney

Married Frances Ione POLE-CAREW 20/11/1918 at the Parish Church, Littlehampton, Totnes, Sth Devon, England
Daughter of Charles Edward & Ellen Henrietta POLE-CAREW – she died 1967 St Leonards, NSW

Children:
Frances Anne b.c1920; Kathleen Ione b.c1923; Betty Elinor; Margaret Caroline Julia; Wymond Richard Roy b.c1931 – d.8/5/2002
[Photo of Betty: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18476920?searchTerm]
[Photo of Margaret: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/105717641?searchTerm]

1924 UK Incoming Passenger List:
Roy & Frances (both age 34) travelled to England with their 4yr old daughter Frances on the Diogenes, arriving Southampton 23/6/1924 [& obviously an unmentioned infant]

1925 UK Outward Passenger List:
Mr R & Mrs F.I. Morell along with 4yr old Miss F.A. & 2yr old K.I., returned to Australia from the UK on the Orama, arriving Sydney 27/6/1925
[Their address whilst in England had been “Parkhill”, Totnes, Devon]

1933 UK Outward Passenger List:
Frances Ione (43), along with 2yr old Wymond Richard, returned to Sydney from the UK on the Bendigo, arriving 27/10/1933

Electoral Rolls:
1925 ER: Roy – Tyrone, Qld (Selector) / Frances Ione – Morval, Maxwelton, Qld (Home duties)
1930, 1936 ER: Roy & Frances – Tullochard, Inverell, NSW (Grazier)
1943 ER: Roy (Sharebroker) – 1312 Pacific Hwy Turramurra, NSW – with Anne Frances (Home duties) & Kathleen Ione (Land Army)
1949 ER: Roy & Frances at above address – with Betty Elinor (H.D.), Kathleen Ione (L.A.) & Margaret Caroline Julia (Sports mistress)
1954 ER: Roy & Frances as above – with Kathleen (L.A) & Wymond Richard Roy (Cadet)
1958 ER: Roy & Frances (no occup) – 165 Megalong St, Leura, NSW

Died 28/6/1960 at the Wahroonga Sanitarium (reg. Chatswood), NSW, age 71
Buried South Head Cemetery, NSW


Townsville Daily Bulletin (Qld), Wed 25 Dec 1918:
GOSSIP
The engagement is announced of Major Roy Morell, D.S.O., A.I.F., of Tyrone (and one-time of Maxwelton), Queensland, to Miss Frances Pole-Carew, of South Devon (says the Australasian.)

The Sydney Morning Herald, Thur 16 Jan 1919:
MARRIAGES
MORELL – POLE-CAREW – November 20, at the Parish Church, Littlehampton, Totnes, South Devon, by the Bishop of Bathurst, assisted by the rector, Rev A.F. Welsh, Major Roy Morell, D.S.O., A.I.F., son of Mr and Mrs J.H. Morell, of Rose Bay, Sydney, to Ione Pole-Carew, daughter of Mr and Mrs Charles M. Pole-Carew, of Parkhill, Totnes.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Thur 21 Aug 1919:
Major Roy Morell, D.S.O., son of Mr J.H. Morell, manager of the Australian Bank of Commerce, Ltd., Redfern, has been notified that he has been honoured by the King with the distinction of O.B.E., and that his brother, the late Major Throsby Morell, has been awarded the Military Cross.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wed Jun 29, 1960 (p.8):
COLONEL R MORELL DIES AT 71
Lieut – Colonel Roy Morell, a councillor of the Royal Agricultural Society of NSW for more than 20 years, died yesterday, aged 71.
Colonel Morell was treasurer of the society from 1951 until his retirement last year for health reasons.  He then became an honorary vice-president.
The president of the society, Mr S.Hordern, said yesterday that Colonel Morell’s death was a great loss to the society.
“Colonel Morell will be sadly missed by his R.A.S. colleagues,” Mr Hordern said.
At its monthly meeting at the Showground yesterday, the R.A.S. council passed a special resolution recording Colonel Morell’s work.
Colonel Morell was born at Wollongong and educated at Wolaroi Grammar School, Orange, and Newington College, Sydney.
He enlisted as a trooper in the 6th Light Horse and fought at Gallipoli.  He served later in France with the 4th Division.
He was awarded the D.S.O. and O.B.E. and was mentioned in dispatches four times.
A funeral service will be held at St Michael’s Church, Vaucluse, at 1.15pm today.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wed Jun 29, 1960 (p.48):
DEATHS
MORELL, Roy, Lieutenant-Colonel, D.S.O., O.B.E. – June 28, 1960, at the Sanitarium, Wahroonga, husband of Ione, and father of Wymond, Anne, Ione, Betty and Margaret, aged 71 years.
FUNERALS
MORELL – A service for the late Lieutenant-Colonel ROY MORELL, D.S.O., O.B.E., will be held at St Michael’s Church, Vaucluse, This (Wednesday) Afternoon, at 1.15. o’clock.
After the service the cortege will proceed to South Head Cemetery.



MORELL   Henry Herbert   150   Pte   6 LHR   A Sqn B Troop? to L/Cpl 11-14 to Cpl 12-14 to Sgt 8-15 (G) prom 2/Lt DCo/51Bn 3-16 to bombing officer BHQ 7-16 WIA 3-9-16 knee shot or shrapnel reported during German attack at Mouquet Farm at Poziers & MC - for his actions at Mouquet Farm & Pozieres between Aug to Sept 1916 prom Capt 1-18 F&B married Jean in UK knicknamed "One "R" for spelled Morell with one R see unit history page 25 brothers Throsby MC Maj died, James Lt 45Bn and Roy DSO Maj 13 Bde HQ

MORELL, Henry Herbert
Born 1893 Wollongong – son of James Harris MORELL (Bank Manager; d. May 1938) & Frances Helen HOPKINS (d.1934) – who married at Moss Vale 12/1/1882

Siblings: Annie C b.1882; Charles Leslie b.16/7/1884 – d.1969 St Leonards, NSW; Roy b.28/5/1889 Wollongong – WW1, NSW; James Francis b.1891 – WW1 – d.1974 NSW; Throsby S J b.1895 Kempsey – WW1: Maj, 3rd Div Fld Arty HQ – d.27/2/1919 France


Married Jean Elinor AMPHLETT 4/10/1917 at St Gabriel’s, St Geo Hanover Squ, London, England
Born 1896 Bathurst, NSW – daughter of Edward Albin AMPHLETT & Elizabeth Creswell OLD
Jean (a 20yr old student) travelled with her mother to England (via Canada) on the Missanabie, arriving 30/7/1916
[Jean’s brother Frank Amphlett, Capt 35th Bn, marr in London 1916 – KIA 12/10/1917 Belgium]

Children: Michael Throsby b.30/12/1919 Sydney – marr Esma June PILLEY 1943 – WW2: Gnr, Lt Arty; Henry Creswell b.13/12/1923 Sydney – WW2: RAAF;

1925, 1930 ER: Henry (Grazier) – Tyrone, Qld / Jean – Lucindale, Richmond, Qld
1937, 1943, 1949 ER: Mt Devlin, Hughenden, Qld (Grazier) – both
[1949 also includes Esma June; Michael Throsby (station hand)]
1954, 1958, 1963 ER: “Allambi”, Park Rd, Noosa Heads, Qld – both

Died 1964 Qld

1968, 1972 ER: Jean at above address on her own
1977 ER: Jean – Buderim Nursing Home, Buderim, Qld

Jean died 1978 Qld

The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 22 Sept 1917:
The engagement in London is announced of Miss Jean Amphlett, daughter of Mr E.A. Amphlett, B.E., of North Sydney, to Lieutenant Harry H. Morell, M.C., son of Mr J.H. Morell, manager of Bank of Commerce, Bathurst.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 1 Dec 1917:
MARRIAGES
MORELL – AMPHLETT – October 4, at St Gabriel’s, London, S.W., Harry H., fourth son of Mr and Mrs J.H. Morell, of Australian Bank of Commerce, Bathurst, to Jean E., elder daughter of Mr and Mrs E.A. Amphlett, Crow’s Nest-road, North Sydney.





Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 10 June 2013, 09:36:30 pm

and, married an aussie girl in the UK!

WALKER   Harold Victor   580   Pte   6 LHR   C Sqn (G) to AIF base Cairo 11-15 to Sgt 12-15 to records sect AIF HQ London UK 10-16 married Dorothy Vane in Westminster UK 20-10-16 brothers Oswald and Westby 6 LHR


Also had a bit of a look into the Walker brothers - there was another brother that served, though not with the Light Horse - Douglas, he was KIA in 1918.  I'm not sure if you're aware - but Westby committed suicide in 1927.  Cheers, Frev

WALKER, Harold Victor – 580, 6th LH
Born 1891 Tenterfield, NSW – son of William Henry WALKER (Grazier) & Georgina Martha PALMER (d.1933) – who married in Qld in 1872

Siblings:
(Born Qld) Thomas b.1873 – d.1943; Westby Lionel b.1874 Toowoomba – Bank Manager – WW1: Tpr 1047 6th LH; Capt, 1st Bn – d.Mar 1927 WA; Kate b.1876 – marr CAMERON; Alice Emily b.1877 – marr PATERSON
(All born Tenterfield, NSW) William Wallace b.1879 – d.1908; Francis Percival b.1880; Bessie Palmer b.1882 – d.1956; Douglas b.1883 – WW1: Cpl 428B, 3rd MG Bn – KIA 3/9/1918 France; Georgina May b.1885 – d.1964; Eadith Violet b.1887 – d.1960; Oswald Bruce b.1889 – WW1: Pte 743, 6th LH & 14th FAB –d.1/7/1951; Irene Daphne b.1893 – d.1965; Charles Frederick b.1898

Station Hand

Married Dorothy Frances VANE 20/10/1916 at the Parish Church, St Margaret, Westminster, England
Dorothy, b.1893 Burwood, NSW – daughter of Herbert Dunstan & Constance M – travelled to England with her mother on the Omrah, arriving 17/10/1916 (3 days before the wedding)

Children

Died 27/5/1961 at Carbeens, Coolatai (reg. Warialda), NSW


The Sydney Morning Herald, Tue 24 Oct 1916:
MARRIAGES
WALKER – VANE – October 20, 1916, at Saint Margaret’s Church, Westminster, Harold Victor, son of the late William Henry Walker, of Tenterfield Station, and Mrs Walker, Corryong, New South Head-road, Edgecliff, to Dorothy Frances, daughter of Mr and Mrs Herbert Dunstan Vane, of Wahroonga.

The Sydney Morning Herald, May 31, 1961 (p.38)
DEATHS
WALKER, Harold Victor – May 27 1961, at Carbeens, Coolatai, NSW, husband of Dorothy Frances, aged 69 years.



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 June 2013, 08:19:14 am
Frev,

Thanks mate no I didn't check him (Douglas) sad case as they always are;

todays

HUGHES   George Ernest   868   Pte   6 LHR   4R tos A Sqn 5-15 (G) to 3Bn 12-16 F&B disch 11-7-18 MU age married Louisa Robinson in London UK 28-4-17

and

LEE   Stanley   874   Pte   6 LHR   4R tos C Sqn 7-15 (G) to 2 LH Bde HQ 3-17 to HQ Anzac MD 6-17 to NME UK wool classing married Daisy Bell at Camberwell UK 24-5-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 June 2013, 04:16:16 pm
Ta Steve - these are both new also - cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 June 2013, 03:10:41 pm
Frev,

Strange one for you,

He was disch to do ammo work in the UK and married there.

BARRIE   Peter Christian   384   Pte   6 LHR   C Sqn WIA 16-8-15 head concussion reported from 11 inch shell at Ryries Post (G) disch in UK to muntions work married in UK 30-4-18 (British RFA to Far/Sgt 2nd Scottish Horse 4 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 June 2013, 01:47:59 pm
Frev,

Todays

JONES   Maurice Owen   46   Pte   02 LHR   RHQ AAMC (G) to 14 FAmb (313a) 4-16 to T/Sgt 5-17 to Cpl 6-17 att 54Bn 8-17 rtn 10-17 recom MM awarded MID - for his actions at Polygon Wood between Sept & Oct 1917 to Sgt 2-18 MM - for his actions at Burie sur Ancre 4-7-18 F&B married in UK (British TF 2 years) later WWII


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 June 2013, 10:08:57 am
Frev,

Todays

BELL   William   622   Pte   6 LHR   B Sqn (G) to AB Abbey Wood UK 1-16 to 1 trg Bn (2Bn) UK 9-16 FGCM 3-1-17 AWol sentenced 6 months detn to 2Bn (228) 7-17 WIA 1-10-17 face shot at Polygon Wood to Aust Emp Co (AEC) 3-18 F&B married Nora Strudwick at Weybridge UK 4-2-16

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 June 2013, 11:19:51 am
Frev,

Todays

HUGHES   Richard Alfred   136   Pte   6 LHR   A Sqn (G) to AB Abbey Wood UK 2-16 to DCo/13Bn 10-16 WIA 7-6-18 head shrapnel near Hamel Wood F&B married Violet Mockeridge in Weymouth UK 17-6-16

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 June 2013, 08:22:16 am
Frev,

BERNER   Sidney   1747   Pte   10 LHR   11R to Dvr 4 DAC 4-16 to HQ/24 FAB 4-16 to HQ/11 FAB 1-17 to Spr 4 Div Sig Co 4-17 WIA 19-7-17 R/hand (4 fingers amputated) shot at Steenweck near Warneton F&B to APayC AIF depots UK 8-17 to ER 2/Cpl 2-19 married Bertha Walker at London UK 14-12-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 18 June 2013, 04:30:42 pm

Strange one for you,

He was disch to do ammo work in the UK and married there.

BARRIE   Peter Christian   384   Pte   6 LHR   C Sqn WIA 16-8-15 head concussion reported from 11 inch shell at Ryries Post (G) disch in UK to muntions work married in UK 30-4-18 (British RFA to Far/Sgt 2nd Scottish Horse 4 years)


Steve - P.C. Barrie turned out to be a very interesting story - a Ringer & Rascal - one of the greatest Con Men of the Racing world
Great read here:
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Pn1fM_oEDhgC&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=peter+christian+barrie&source=bl&ots=pMBQnknNPx&sig=D_mDGHQh6Pw6gLEUP5KmnbkiqbQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Vei_UaeJIo7QlAXuk4D4CA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=peter%20christian%20barrie&f=false


All the rest of the above additions are new also - thanks as always
Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 June 2013, 09:08:26 am
Frev,

Amazing story you never know about these fellows we check each week.

Todays another strange one.

HARVIE   Harold John Gregory   1396   Pte   10 LHR   11R Tos 12Co AASC 3 LH Bde Trn 1-16 to 3 LHFA 2-16 to orderly clerk ADMS Anzac MD HQ 3-16 to APayC QMG Sect 6-16 to T/2/Cpl 9-16 prom 2/Lt 33Bn 7-17 F&B disch 7-11-17 SNLR married in UK

Yes dischaged in UK partly at own request in Nov 1917 but its unknown what happened to him untill he RTA with wife in 1920, only to disembark in Colombo and to later RTA to Sydney in 1921 and disappear?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 June 2013, 09:59:42 am
Frev,

Todays I think given before?

GORARD   Ernie   1577   Pte   10 LHR   12R tos B Sqn B Troop 2-16 to batman to Lt AW Thompson to UK leave married Elsie Sanger in Haverstock Hill UK 14-7-19

And

LOGAN   John   1615   Pte   10 LHR   12R Tos 2-16 att ADS 12-18 to NME UK wool classing married Elizabeth Hay at Canongate Edinburgh Scotland 27-9-19 (Boer War Sth African Constabulary 6 years 3-6-01 to 13-12-07)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 June 2013, 09:34:06 am
Frev,

Todays

FERGUSON   Robert   2022   Pte   10 LHR   14R to Dvr 1 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to Bdr 6-17 F&B married Annie Miller at Croydon UK 7-5-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 June 2013, 09:56:07 am
Frev,

Todays another of the rare Egyptian marrages;

DAWBORN   Raymond Howard   473   Cpl   5Bn   CCo WIA 25-4-15 shoulder at the landing WIA 14-8-15 head bomb at Lone Pine (G) to ABD AIF HQ 10-15 to AIF Canteens 5-16 to ER/Wo1 9-16 married Madge in Cairo Egypt  later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 June 2013, 08:13:13 pm
HARVIE   Harold John Gregory   1396   Pte   10 LHR   11R Tos 12Co AASC 3 LH Bde Trn 1-16 to 3 LHFA 2-16 to orderly clerk ADMS Anzac MD HQ 3-16 to APayC QMG Sect 6-16 to T/2/Cpl 9-16 prom 2/Lt 33Bn 7-17 F&B disch 7-11-17 SNLR married in UK

Yes dischaged in UK partly at own request in Nov 1917 but its unknown what happened to him untill he RTA with wife in 1920, only to disembark in Colombo and to later RTA to Sydney in 1921 and disappear?


Steve - he didn't quite disappear:


HARVIE, Harold John Gregory

Born Jun Qtr 1884 Lewisham, Kent, England – son of John & Ethel

Station Accountant – Flora Valley Station, Wyndham, WA

WW1: Enl WA
1396 / Lieut – 33rd Bn, ex Pay Corps, ex 10th LH
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=4738915

Discharged in UK 7/11/1917 after requesting to resign his commission due to defective vision, & instead take up Munitions work

Married Violet Sarah Postle BAWTREE Jun Qtr 1917 Cambridge, England
[Born Dec Qtr 1900 Elmstead, Tendring, Essex – daughter of Blanche Rose (widow 1911 Colchester) & William (Gardener)]

Embarked 22/1/1920 on the Friedrichsruh to return to Australia, but disembarked Colombo due to wife’s illness.  In 1921 he secured a loan from the Ceylonese Govt to purchase their passage to Australia.
The Australian Govt reimbursed Ceylon for part of this fare, but he was expected to pay back both Govts.
However, by May 1923 he still hadn’t done so, and had disappeared from his known address in NSW.
The Aus Govt eventually traced him to Papua, where he was working for the British New Guinea Co. Ltd., and not long after he’d been made aware they were still trying to reclaim the debt, he sailed from Papua to Cairns 17/11/1924 on the Morinda.

1925: Cairns, Qld
1937 ER: Glengariff Flats, Rosecliffe St, Sth Brisbane (Accountant) [Harold Gregory]
1953: Gordon House (Private Home for the Aged), The Mall, Leura, NSW

Died 27/10/1953 at Katoomba, NSW
Buried Church of England Cemetery, Katoomba

Violet died 21/9/1977 at Katoomba, NSW – late of Wentworth Falls – and is buried with Harold


Cairns Post (Qld), Fri 1 May 1925:
Gordonvale Soccer Club
………………………………………………………………………
The team selected to play against the Rangers of Cairns, at Cairns, on Saturday afternoon next, at 4.30pm are as follows:-
H.J.G. Harvie, ………………………………………………


The Sydney Morning Herald, Wed 28 Oct 1953:
DEATHS
HARVIE, Harold John Gregory – October 27 1953, at Katoomba, of Gordon House, The Mall, Leura, dearly beloved husband of Violet Harvie.
FUNERALS
HARVIE – The Funeral of the late HAROLD JOHN GREGORY HARVIE, will leave our chapel, Bathurst Road and Cascade Street, Katoomba, To-morrow (Thursday) Morning, after service commencing at 10.30 am for Church of England Cemetery, Katoomba.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 24 Sept 1977:
DEATHS
HARVIE, Violet Sarah – September 21, 1977, at hospital, Katoomba, late of Wentworth Falls, beloved wife of Harold (deceased), and loved sister of Mrs Haslip (Surrey, UK), aged 75 years.
At rest.
FUNERALS
HARVIE – Friends of the late Mrs VIOLET SARAH HARVIE, of Wentworth Falls, are invited to attend her funeral service, to be held at the family graveside, Church of England portion, Katoomba Cemetery, on Monday next, September 26, 1977 at 2.30 pm.



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 June 2013, 08:24:02 pm

Todays another of the rare Egyptian marrages;

DAWBORN   Raymond Howard   473   Cpl   5Bn   CCo WIA 25-4-15 shoulder at the landing WIA 14-8-15 head bomb at Lone Pine (G) to ABD AIF HQ 10-15 to AIF Canteens 5-16 to ER/Wo1 9-16 married Madge in Cairo Egypt  later WWII


Steve - thanks for all these - all new except for Gorard, which (yes) you had given me before.

Although he's not actually Light Horse - this is the file I've put together on R.H. Dawborn:


DAWBORN, Raymond Howard

Born 29/12/1888 (reg. 1889) Frankston, Vic – son of Benjamin DAWBORN (b.Newington) & Lucy Anne BUDDEN, who married in Vic in 1874
Benjamin died 1930 Hawthorn, age 84 & Lucy died 1936 Malvern, age 80

Siblings: Alfred William b.1875 Sandhurst – d.1946; Hilten Clark b.1877 Beechworth; Edgar Allan b.1882 – d.1957; Elma Lilian b.1885 – d.1886 (4m); Norman Loch b.1887 Frankston – Accountant – marr Jessie – WW1: Gnr 34986, 10th FAB; Muriel Thyrza May b.1891 – marr H.S. FREDMAN 1921 – d.1934; Ella Florence b.1896 Hawthorn – marr BULL – d.1970

Salesman

WW1: Pte 473, 5th Bn – AIF Canteens
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=3492374

Married Madge Mary MILLER 27/11/1917 Cairo, Egypt
[Born 1894 Warwickshire, England – daughter of Morris Andrew & Lucy Amelia]

RTA 15/11/1918 on the Port Darwin on 1914 Leave
Applied for refund of wife’s passage from Suez Feb 1919

1919 ER: 26 Hawksburn Rd, Toorak (Storekeeper)
1920: Tallygaroopna
1922: Numurkah

Children: Zillah Cairene b.&d.11/1/1920 Camberwell; Royston Miller b.6/4/1922 Numurkah – Lieut-Cmdr (DSC), R.A.N. 1941 – 1965 – marr V.E. Jones 1954 NSW

1924 ER: 48 Adeney Ave, Kew (Salesman)

1927: 33yr old Madge, together with 5yr old Royston travelled to England on the SS Suevic, with the intent of remaining there.  Address: C/- H.W. Miller, 12 Grosvenor Rd, Handsworth, Birmingham

Madge returned to Australia:
1930 ER: 4 The Bruce, Roscoe St, Bondi, NSW (Hairdresser)
1933 ER: 197 Birrell St, Bronte, NSW (Hairdresser)
1936 ER: Greenheyes, Wallaringa Rd, Neutral Bay, NSW (Hairdresser)
1943, 1949, 1954, 1958, 1963 ER: 37A Wycombe Rd, Neutral Bay, NSW (Hairdresser) – Royston (Naval Officer) also listed with her in 1949 & 1954
[Manageress of Ladies’ Hairdressing and Beauty Culture Salon, Sydney]

Madge died 22/7/1974 NSW, age 80

1931 ER: 17 Spring St, Melb East (Sales) – on his own
1936 ER: “Whitehall”, Bank Place, Melb West (Sales Manager) – on his own

Divorced 1936
Married Isobel Freer SMITH 1936 Vic [she died 1971, age 71]

1937 ER: 8 Hawthorn Grove, Hawthorn (Sales) – with Isobel (Assistant)
1943 ER: 59 Darling St, Sth Yarra (Department Manager) – on his own

WW2: Pte V357463, 5th Bn VDC – 16/6/1942 – 9/10/1945 [NOK: Royston]

Divorced
Married again after 1945 – Jean Frances

1949, 1954 ER: 59 Darling St, Sth Yarra (Department Manager) – with Jean Frances (Clerk)

Died 23/8/1955 at the Repat Hospital, Heidelberg, age 66 (Intestate)
Privately cremated


The Argus, Fri 14 May 1915:
PRIVATE R.H. DAWBORN
Private R.H. Dawborn, who was wounded in the Dardanelles fighting, is a cousin of Councillor W.J. Dawborn, of Healesville.  He was a fine athletic stamp of a young fellow, and most popular, especially in sporting circles, amongst other things being a prominent tennis-player.

Healesville and Yarra Glen Gaurdian (Vic), Sat 15 May 1915:
Private R.H. Dawborn, cousin of Mr W.J. Dawborn, of Healesville, has been wounded in the fighting at the Dardanelles.  Private Dawborn was a fine athletic specimen of a young man, and from previous close acquaintanceship with him in another part of the State, we can speak with authority as to his sterling qualities and typical of our gallant Australians who have won such glory recently.  We join with Mr Dawborn’s friends in wishing “Ray” a speedy recovery from his wounds.  Amongst other things, he was a fine tennis player, and often won fame in the Grace Park tournaments.

Healesville and Yarra Glen Gaurdian (Vic), Sat 23 Oct 1915:
Under Close Fire
(Extracts from letter by Private R.H. Dawborn, cousin of Mr W.J. Dawborn, of Healesville)
Dear ……
I suppose you will be wondering at the address, but I have got another healthy crack, and will be absent from the line for a few more weeks.  We have had a rather exciting time for the last fortnight, and got some hurry up.  I will tell you how I managed to get this welt, which is the third since the excitement started.  The first one was a fortnight ago during a heavy bombardment, and whilst we were advancing to take some Turkish trenches.  I was loading rifles at the time, and suddenly saw a lovely fireworks display – went down hard.  When I got up, found a shell case had skimmed across my skull, but except for a large head, it did me no harm.
On the Monday following, we went forward to relieve the men in the captured trenches, and it was an awful sight – too awful for me to write about – with the Turks in trenches ten yards in front.  I spent 48 hours there, on the jump all the time, no sleep, bombs, etc.  It was the second night, while sniping and observing, I got a splinter in the side of the head, but was only a mere scratch, and was able to carry on, after seeing the doctor, and got a bit of iodine rubbed on.  We moved out next morning, and had 48 hours’ spell, which was glorious after nine solid weeks with our equipment on.  We were back in the trenches on Friday morning, and had a birthday, while they bombarded our trenches and broke our parapets to bits.  Had a fairly quiet night, except for side stepping bombs, which are the limit, and observing and sniping at Turks ten yards away has its exciting moments.  Next day was quiet until about 5 pm, and then they bombarded us again for about two hours, and it was hell let loose.  This quieted down for a few hours, our bomb-throwers having shown their superiority, and we expected a fairly quiet time, but had just got up to do my hours’ observing at 11 pm, when they started bombing like mad.  We had a very busy time.  Our chaps started, too, and it was a very pretty sight, though I did not look at it that way at the time, and after about twenty minutes they gave a yell, and jumped up to the charge, and we had a great time on the parapets, as they made fine targets, and we thoroughly enjoyed ourselves about an hour, and our bombs got well amongst them and stirred things up properly, and the groans and yells were sweet music, and they soon got back to their trench and commenced firing, and it was just getting quiet when I got a terrible whack, and thought I had lost all my head, but got round to the doctor, with help, and then to the beach.  Here I am at Lemnos, waiting to go to a hospital somewhere.  Exactly what the wound is I do not know.  The nurse said it made a large hole, but do not think the bullet is anywhere in my head.  However, I feel pretty good, except that the head piece is very sore. – Methodist “Observer.”

The Argus, Sat 17 Jan 1920:
BIRTHS
DAWBORN (nee Madge M Miller, Cairo) – On the 11th January 1920 at Guilford private hospital, Camberwell, to Mr and Mrs R.H. Dawborn, Tallygaroopna, a daughter (Zillah Cairene).  Baby lived few minutes only.

The Argus, Sat 15 Apr 1922:
BIRTHS
DAWBORN – On the 6th April, at Nurse Meikel… private hospital, Numurkah, to Mr and Mrs Ray Dawborn – a son (Royston Miller).

The Argus, Wed 22 Apr 1936:
DIVORCES GRANTED
Many Cases Before Court
Madge Mary Dawborn, aged 41 years, of George street, Sydney, from Raymond Howard Dawborn, aged 47 years, of Bank place Melbourne, salesman, on the ground of desertion.  The parties were married at Cairo, Egypt, on November 27, 1917.  There is one child.


The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 17 Apr 1954:
APPROACHING MARRIAGES
DAWBORN – JONES – The Marriage of Miss Veronica Elaine Jones, younger daughter of Mr and Mrs E.T. Jones, of Kingsford, and Lieut-Cmdr, Royston Miller Dawson, R.A.N., only son of Mrs M.M. Dawborn, of Neutral Bay, and Mr R.H. Dawborn, of Victoria, will be celebrated at St Augustine’s, Neutral Bay, at 4.30 pm, on Saturday 8th May 1954.

The Argus, Thur 25 Aug 1955:
DEATHS
DAWBORN – On August 23, at R.G.H., Heidelberg, Raymond Howard, dearly loved husband of Jean.  (Privately cremated August 24)



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 June 2013, 09:30:41 am
Frev,

Thanks for the details.

Todays

SEARS   Albert Henry   1923   Pte   10 LHR   13R tos Dvr 3 Sect/4 DAC 4-16 to 38Bty/10 FAB 11-16 to Gnr 3-17 WIA 19-10-17 back & R/side shrapnel at Passchendaele F&B married Elizabeth Gardner in Stirling Scotland 28-10-18 AKA real name Albert Henry Flinn

and

SMITH   William Charles Edward   1836   Prov/Sgt   10 LHR   13R tos Bdr 1 Sect/4 DAC 4-16 to Sgt 5-16 to BSM 5-16 to 39Bty/10 FAB 1-18 recom Croix de Guerre (F) awarded Roumania Croix de Virtue 2nd class - for his actions near Morcourt 9-8-18 F&B to NME UK cycle works married Elsie Pinestone in Bristol UK 10-5-19 (CMF 4 years)


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 July 2013, 11:08:15 am
Frev,

Todays

STUDSOR   Robert Charles   1672   Pte   10 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to Dvr 1 sect/4 DAC 4-16 to 24 FAB 6-16 att 48Bty 10-16 rtn 4 DAC (1672a) 12-16 WIA 6-7-17 L/knee & R/Leg shrapnel near Warneton to 43Bty/11 FAB 10-17 MID - reported for his good work between Sept to Nov 1918 F&B married Mary Russo in London UK 5-9-17 related Ernest 28Bn

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 01 July 2013, 07:54:01 pm

Ta Steve - STUDSOR & SEARS are both new, SMITH I already have (one of the many!)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 July 2013, 10:43:59 am
Frev,

Todays

No other details?

SOMERFORD   Sydney   133   Pte   1 VS   to Vet/Sgt 21 FAB 3-16 to 103Bty/3 FAB 5-16 MSM - for his work between Feb to Sept 1918 F&B married Dorothy in London UK 22-2-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 July 2013, 09:09:19 am
Frev,

Todays

RUSE   Ernest      2/Lt   10 LHR   16R to 2 double Sqn 7-16 to A Sqn 9-16 att water supply officer Aust MD HQ 7-17 to Bde Transport officer 10-17 to UK 3 weeks leave 5-18 rtn 7-18 rtn prom T/Capt 10 LHR 3-19 revert 6-19 to UK leave married Olive (Bryants)? in Cambridge UK 13-6-18 Ex Sgt prom 2/Lt 16-2-16 later WWII

His three weeks leave to UK in May 1918 appears to marry Olive.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 July 2013, 12:34:45 am

No other details?

SOMERFORD   Sydney   133   Pte   1 VS   to Vet/Sgt 21 FAB 3-16 to 103Bty/3 FAB 5-16 MSM - for his work between Feb to Sept 1918 F&B married Dorothy in London UK 22-2-18


Thanks Steve - SOMERFORD is new - his full name is actually Sidney Henry Richard SOMERFORD - and he married a young widow, who had only been married a short time before losing her husband to the war!


SOMERFORD, Sidney Henry Richard
Born Apr-Jun Qtr 1894 Maidstone, Kent, England – son of Frederick Walter SOMERFORD (Iron Moulder) & Emily TUFFIELD, who married in Maidstone in 1891

Siblings: Lilian; Clara; Fred; Edna

Occupation: Brass Moulder in an Iron Foundry (1911 Census)
Travelled to Australia in 1911 on the Orvieto, departing London 29/9/1911, disembarking NSW (Brass Finisher)

Occupation: Labourer (1914)

WW1:
Sgt 133 (MSM), Vet Service – 103 How Bty, 3rd FAB
Enlisted 28/10/1914 NSW
Service Record: http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/8088657/
Proceeded to join BEF, France 25/3/1916 – arriving Marseilles 1/4/16
Emb at Taranto 8/10/1918 for Aust, via Egypt
RTA from Suez 20/10/1918 – 3/12/18 on the Port Sydney, on 1914 Leave

Married Dorothy GUNTER Oct-Dec Qtr 1917 Edmonton, England [during UK Leave 7/10/17 – 22/10/17]
[Dorothy RANGEL married Sydney F. GUNTER Apr-Jun Qtr 1916 Edmonton, England]
[S.F. GUNTER d.31/5/1916 – bur Gunners Farm Military Cemetery, Belgium (Pte 11968, 19th Pioneer Bn, Middlesex Regt]

Children: Many - including some who served in WW2

Addresses:
1925 ER: 7 Byron St, Balkatta, Fremantle, WA - Storeman
1931 ER: Wimbledon St, Kenwick, WA – Storeman
1936 ER: 105 St Leonard’s Ave, Balkatta, WA – Storeman
1937 ER: 154 Salvado Rd, Wembley Park, Fremantle, WA – Merchant
1943 ER: 465 Cambridge St, Wembley Park, WA – Merchant

1949 ER: 11 Bexhill Ave, City Beach, WA – Merchant [also Trixie Helen, Machinist]
1954 ER: 15 Oceanic Dve, City Beach, WA – Merchant (also Martin [sic] Phillip, Clerk)
[Trixie Helen at 11 Oceanic Dve – Machinist]
1958 ER: Above address [also Robert Vivian, Clerk]
[Merlin Phillip, Clerk, at 10 Cunningham Tce, with Shirley Joyce]
1963 ER: 287 Oceanic Dve, City Beach, WA – Machinist (?) [also Robert Vivian, Clerk]
[Warren Richard, Beach Insp, & Margaret Elizabeth at 17 Boronia Cres, City Beach]

[Dorothy listed in all ERs as Home Duties]

Died 1/6/1966 City Beach, WA, age 72
His ashes are interred in the Crematorium Rose Garden (WR, 0093) at the Karrakatta Cemetery, with his wife Dorothy [Sidney Henry Richard]

Dorothy died 29/7/1964 City Beach, WA, age 69 – her ashes are interred in the Crematorium Rose Garden (WR, 0093) at the Karrakatta Cemetery


The West Australian, Mon 26 Jan 1931:
SHOP BETTING CHARGES
Raids by plainclothes constables on Saturday afternoon resulted in the arrest of three men, charged as follows: -
SOMERFORD, Sidney (36), storeman, of William-street – having kept a betting shop at 188 William-street; ……………………………………….
[pleaded guilty – fined 35 pounds]

The West Australian, Mon 11 Jul 1932:
Alleged Betting Offence
Sydney Somerford (37), storeman, was arrested on Saturday night by Constable Handcock and charged with having used premises at 188 William-street as a common betting house or place for betting.

The Daily News (Perth, WA), Mon 11 Jul 1932:
S.P. “BOOKIE” FINED
First pleading not guilty, Sydney Somerford (37), labourer, later altered his plea to one of guilty in Perth Police Court today on a charge of having used premises at 188 William-street as a common betting ship.  He asked to be treated leniently, but Mr T.Y.A. Lang, P.M., observing to him that he had been four times previously convicted, imposed a fine of 35 pounds, with costs.  Sergeant Houston prosecuted.

Sunday Times (Perth, WA), Sun 29 Oct 1933:
THE SELECTOR’S GUIDE
LAND OPEN NOVEMBER 15 – Forfeited Pastoral Leases
The following forfeited pastoral leases and forfeited blocks will be open for selection on or after the dates undermentioned.
FORFEITED BLOCKS
…………………………………………………………..
Tenders Returnable at Perth, 11/11/33
20/1491
Portion of Canning Location 8, being Lot 38 on Plan 2728, being the whole of the land comprised in Certificate of Title Vol 1002, Fol 130, standing in the name of SIDNEY SOMERFORD, containing 3 acres 3 roods 19 perches, situated 1½ miles south-west of Kenwick, described as all 2nd class sandy loam to clay soil, all cleared, 30ft well, 28 chains 4 wire fence, 4-roomed j.w.b. house, shed, windmill, tank stand, and piping.




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 July 2013, 12:41:48 am

RUSE   Ernest      2/Lt   10 LHR   16R to 2 double Sqn 7-16 to A Sqn 9-16 att water supply officer Aust MD HQ 7-17 to Bde Transport officer 10-17 to UK 3 weeks leave 5-18 rtn 7-18 rtn prom T/Capt 10 LHR 3-19 revert 6-19 to UK leave married Olive (Bryants)? in Cambridge UK 13-6-18 Ex Sgt prom 2/Lt 16-2-16 later WWII

His three weeks leave to UK in May 1918 appears to marry Olive.


RUSE is also new ta.
He married Olive McQuire BAYNES
 
As they were both from Cambridge, they may have been engaged before he initially came out to Australia.  He left England in Feb 1914 for Canada, then obviously came on here, before enlisting.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 July 2013, 09:46:15 am
Frev,

Thanks for the extra details.

Todays

SMITH   Edward Albert   1194   Pte   10 LHR   8R to Dvr SHQ ASqn/Comp LHR 11-15 Tos 2-16 WIA 12-12-17 face accident kicked by horse to UK leave married Martha Cooke at Norwich UK 8-7-19 (British RFA TF)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 July 2013, 08:05:35 am
Frev,

Todays

OWEN   Leslie   1038   Pte   10 LHR   6R tos Cpl C Sqn 9-15 (G) WIA 9-1-17 back shot at Rafa to Sgt 12-17 to cadet 2 SMA Oxford UK 6-18 to AFC depot 6-18 to cadet Sgt 5 Trg Sqn AFC UK 9-18 prom 2/Lt (pilot) 12-18 married Clara Levesley at Hickington UK 14-11-18  later WWII RAAF

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 July 2013, 08:42:08 am
Frev,

Whats rerer then an Egyptian marrige? yes French marrages.

Todays

ROBINSON   Duncan Ernest   743   Pte   10 LHR   2R remain Egypt to records sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ 8-15 to records sect 3rd Ech GHQ Rouen 3-16 to T/Cpl 10-16 to ER Cpl 7-17 to ER L/Sgt 10-18 F&B married Alice Perrot at Paris France 16-3-18 died 10-8-42 of TB from War Service

and, stange one?

His wife claims a relative badge after the war but I am unsure when he married as he was single during his service?

MAUNDER   Richard Henry   733   Pte   10 LHR   2R Tos 5-15 (G) disch 13-3-16 MU shell concusion AKA Richard Henry Mounder (British The 19th Yorkshire Regt Green Howards)

possibly married after discharge?

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 July 2013, 04:08:23 pm

Thanks Steve - SMITH, OWEN & ROBINSON are all new.

Yep, you're right on with the rarity of French marriages (not just in the ALH) - so far I only have a total of 26 listed in the database, compared to 85 in Egypt - but then, both of these are far harder to find the records for compared to the UK!

In MAUNDER'S case - I can’t find any record of marriage either in England or Australia, but I’d be inclined to believe that they married after he was discharged, as when applying for the Nearest Relative Badge, his wife was asked to send in a Stat Dec stating they’d been married prior to disch – and all seems to have gone quiet after that!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 July 2013, 09:28:40 am
Frev,

Another strange one for you?

He claim his discharge in Egypt because his wife is dead and only daughter (age 9) is a lone, she is shown buried in Cairo but when did he marry as he shows single when enlisting?

For your special touch.

TAIT   William Thomas   487   Cpl   Labourer age 30 Katamatite Vic Enl 20-10-14 Emb CSqn/10 LHR. To Anzac 16-5-15 to Cpl 14-10-15 Gallipoli. to 3 LHTR 26-2-16 to (3 double sqn) 6-7-16 to T/Sgt 10-8-16 revert to Troop Cpl 4 Cml Regt 2-11-16 to Res Co 7-2-17 to 1Bn 2Co 30-4-17 to T/Sgt 24-11-17 to Sgt 9-3-18 to LH Dtls 1-7-18 to 15 LHR 10-3-19 disch in Egypt 24-9-19 married Elizabeth Ashe in Egypt wife died and buried in Cairo Cemetery Egypt


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 July 2013, 09:03:25 am
Frev,

Todays

RADFORD   John Francis   514   Pte   10 LHR   A Sqn to Bugler 1-15 WIA 7-8-15 head & neck shrapnel in charge at the Nek (G) to batman to Vet Officer Capt McKenzie 11 LHR 3-16 to batman to Vet Officer Capt McKenzie 3 Div HQ 6-16 to batman to Vet Officer Capt Stanhope HQ/3 FAB 2-17 att Aust Corps HQ 3-18 F&B to T/Cpl AIF depots UK 1-19 to T/Sgt 3-19 revert 6-19 married Rose Bamrose at Basford UK 9-1-19 (CMF 2 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 July 2013, 10:06:13 am
Frev,

Todays no details only charge of NOK.

CARMODY   John   1196   Pte   7 LHR   8R tos B Sqn 10-15 (G) to Gnr AATD UK 5-16 to AIF depot UK 1-17 disch 6-3-18 MU married Fanny in UK

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 July 2013, 01:04:49 pm
Ta Steve - TAIT, RADFORD & CARMODY are all new.

Afraid I can't find anything on the marriage of William TAIT - but I'm assuming he did marry in Egypt - most likely to a local widow - seeing as she ran a restaurant in Cairo, and had a 9 yr old daughter... 

Following is the file I've put together on John CARMODY - another marriage that didn't turn out too well!
Cheers, Frev


CARMODY, John Joseph
Born c1877 Toowong, Qld – son of James & Alice [no birth reg found]

Religion: RC
Occupation: Shearer

WW1: Enl 1915; Pte – Gnr 1196, 7th LH / 3rd FAB
Age 38; Height: 5ft 6¾in; weight: 168lbs; fair comp; blue eyes; brown hair; tattoo both arms
[NOK: mother, Alice of Toowong]
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=3206469
Various offences for AWL & drunkenness

Married Fannie Harriet ROBINS 3/3/1917 Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire, England
[Fannie b.1894 Honiton, Devon, England – daughter of Eli (Mason) & Mary Ann]

RTA 21/7/1917 on Euripides

Wife’s address changes from Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire to Bishoptown, Bristol

Child: John Frederick Arthur CARMODY b.20/12/1917 Bristol, England [reg. Mar Qtr 1918, mother: nee ROBINS] – marr Alice Catherine MUNRO 1940 NSW – WW2 1942 – 1944 [NOK: Alice] – d.27/10/2001 at Illawarra Retirement Village, Moruya, NSW


[Stat Dec, dated 18/1/1932, p.16 SR]:
About the end of the year of 1921 – John’s Military Discharge was stolen from him in Hyde Park, Sydney, together with a pocket wallet containing 10 pounds, also his Discharged Soldier’s Badge – he was under the influence of liquor at the time

Warrant for his arrest 1921 for failing to obey a court order to support his wife & son

In Sept 1924, Fannie began legal proceedings against John on the grounds of desertion – (for over 3 years) – sued for divorce in Aug 1925 – divorce official in Mar 1926

Fannie remarried in Sydney in 1927 to James BROUGHTON – and died 1969 Newtown, NSW

John was an inmate of Goulburn Reformatory in January 1932 [p.16 SR]

1933 ER: Camping reserve, Moree – Shearer’s cook
1936 ER: Yarraman, Moree – Shearer’s cook

Died 1/3/1938 at the Moree District Hospital, NSW, age 60


NSW Police Gazette, 18 May 1921 (p.288):
Redfern – A warrant has been issued by the Children’s Court Bench for the arrest of John Joseph Carmody, charged with disobeying a magisterial order for the support of his wife and child (12 pounds 8 shillings costs due).  He is 38 years of age [sic], 5 feet 7 or 8 inches high, stout build, fair complexion, brown hair, blue eyes, clean shaved; pierced heart and ballet girl tattooed on right forearm, also tattoo-mark on left shoulder; dressed in a brown suit and brown soft-felt hat; a labourer.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Tue 2 Sept 1924:
LEGAL NOTICES
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF NEW SOUTH WALES
FANNIE HARRIET CARMODY, Petitioner – and – JOHN JOSEPH CARMODY, Respondent
To JOHN JOSEPH CARMODY of Sydney in the State of New South Wales.
Take Notice that the said Fannie Harriet Carmody has commenced a suit against you in this Honorable Court and is applying for a dissolution of marriage on the ground that you have been guilty of desertion for three years and upwards.  And take notice that you are required to enter an appearance to the said suit at the proper office of this Honorable Court on or before the seventh day of December 1924, and in the event of your not doing so within the time limited or obtaining further time the Petitioner will proceed and the suit be heard and determined your absence notwithstanding.  ……………………………………………..

The Sydney Morning Herald, Fri 21 Aug 1925:
IN DIVORCE
CARMODY v CARMODY
Constructive desertion was the ground on which Fannie Harriett Carmody (formerly Robins) sued for a dissolution of her marriage with John Joseph Carmody, whom she married at Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire, England according to the rites of the Church of England, on March 3, 1917.  A decree nisi was granted, returnable in six months after service.  Mr A.G. Kench appeared for petitioner.

Moree Gwydir Examiner and General Advertiser (NSW), Thur 3 Mar 1938:
Obituary
MR J.J. CARMODY
The death occurred at the Moree District Hospital on Tuesday of Mr John Joseph Carmody, and old resident of Moree.
The deceased, who was 60 years of age was a returned soldier, having served for some years in the Great War.
The funeral took place yesterday afternoon, the remains being interred in the RC portion of the cemetery.

[NSW BDM Index: John Joseph Carmody d.1938 Moree – son of James & Alice (age 60 – b.c1878)]


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 July 2013, 07:08:25 am
Frev,

Today another French marrage.

Sorry no details, only a badly written change of NOK on page 1.

JONES   Charles Harold   460   Cpl   7 LHR   C Sqn tos Cpl 8-15 (G) to Orderly Room 3rd Ech AIF Records GHQ MEF 10-15 to records 3rd Ech GHQ 9-16 to Orderly Room ER Sgt 9-17 att Cpl - Orderly Room Sgt 18Bn 7-18 rtn 10-18 F&B married Jenhette? in Rouen France (RAN 16 months)

and

This marrage didn't work out, he was disch in UK but when he deserted his wife and came home is unknown.

HAMILTON   William   774   Pte   7 LHR   3R Tos 5-15 (G) to LH Dtls UK 8-16 to 14 Trg Bn UK 10-16 to DCo/56Bn 2-17 att 14 FCE 4-18 rtn 6-18 F&B married Agnes Bailey at Epsom UK 17-5-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 July 2013, 09:52:42 am
Frev,

HALL   Norman   731   Pte   7 LHR   2R Tos 8-15 (G) to BCo/2Bn (731a) 9-16 WIA 4-10-17 L/arm & Leg shrapnel reported 37 killed and 112 wounded when shelled on Westhoek Ridge at Broodsinde between 30-9-17 to 6-10-17 most on the 4-10-17 F&B disch 5-11-18 married Ivy Simpson in Westham UK 15-4-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 July 2013, 07:01:12 am
Frev,

Unsure about this one?

He shows married on embarkment but a letter from his wife (see pages 54/55) tells how he has now remarried to a lady called O'Toole.

COLLARD   John Stephen Fleet   N/R   Pte   7 LHR   C Sqn DNE relist Dvr 20Co AASC 2 Div trn (8362)  to 10Co 5 Div Trn 3-16 WIA 2-7-16 R/Leg accident kicked by horse att AIF depots UK 2-17 rtn 9-18 F&B

and

IVES   Albert Spencer   512   S/Smith Cpl   7 LHR   C Sqn revert Pte B Sqn C Troop 1-15 (G) to S/Smith Cpl 3-16 to Far/S/Sgt 34Co AASC Anzac MDT 8-17 to UK leave married Rose Goodsell at Hastings UK 25-1-19 (British Royal Sussex Regt 1 year)


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 July 2013, 05:01:13 pm
Frev,

Today another French marrage.

Sorry no details, only a badly written change of NOK on page 1.

JONES   Charles Harold   460   Cpl   7 LHR   C Sqn tos Cpl 8-15 (G) to Orderly Room 3rd Ech AIF Records GHQ MEF 10-15 to records 3rd Ech GHQ 9-16 to Orderly Room ER Sgt 9-17 att Cpl - Orderly Room Sgt 18Bn 7-18 rtn 10-18 F&B married Jenhette? in Rouen France (RAN 16 months)

and

This marrage didn't work out, he was disch in UK but when he deserted his wife and came home is unknown.

HAMILTON   William   774   Pte   7 LHR   3R Tos 5-15 (G) to LH Dtls UK 8-16 to 14 Trg Bn UK 10-16 to DCo/56Bn 2-17 att 14 FCE 4-18 rtn 6-18 F&B married Agnes Bailey at Epsom UK 17-5-19

Cheers

S.B

Ta Steve - these are both new.

All I can tell you about the marriage of C.H. JONES is that his wife's Christian names were Juliette Martha. [no access to French records]

William HAMILTON deserted his wife in June 1920 - but his common name makes it a bit difficult to trace whether he did actually return to Aus after this.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 26 July 2013, 05:20:35 pm

HALL & IVES are both new too, thanks muchly  :)


COLLARD is a bit of a dark horse - can't find any registration of a marriage to a Vera O'TOOLE (interestingly his mother's maiden name was O'TOOLE) - however, he clearly had no wish to return to Australia, or his wife.

He requested to be discharged in the UK in March 1920 - which the authorities didn't approve (obviously due to the letters they'd received from his wife) - and he was RTA on the Kigoma 20/5/1920 - landing NSW 18/7/1920.

It seems he may not have even left the docks, as he apparently married Florence Elizabeth CADMAN on the 3/9/1920 in Fulham, England - meaning he would have had to have sailed back to England on the next outgoing ship!! [haven't managed to find any record of a divorce]

Interestingly, he gave his reason for wanting to be discharged in England, as being more easily able to take up his old position as a Sailor with his previous Masters.  [His occupation on enlistment as you know, was Horse Driver] Yet in 1909, as a 17 year old, there was a warrant out for his arrest, for having deserted his ship, the Pyramus!!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 July 2013, 07:40:26 am
Frev,

Todays a number of documents with her name but no details?

JOHNSTON   William   548   Pte   7 LHR   C Sqn (G) to 14 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to 2 platoon ACo/56Bn 2-17 F&B reported killed with two wounded by shell as a stretcher bearer during move from Vaulx to Le Transloy near Bullecourt buried Vaulx Hill Cemetery France married Ethel in London UK (NZ Christchurch Volenteers 2 years)

She remarried after the war.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: iveco303 on 28 July 2013, 01:56:37 pm
Frev, Have another one for you. No.6603 William Henry Fox.4th.Battalion 21st Reinforcements married Bertha Hewitt on the 5/1/18 in Manchester.Phil.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 July 2013, 08:19:25 am
Frev,

Todays, must have been a whirl wind courtship then marriage during his short stay in the UK from Anzac.

GLENN   Albert William   158   Pte   7 LHR   A Sqn (G) rtn A Troop 8-16 married Charlotte Wharram at Manchester UK 10-4-16

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 31 July 2013, 08:06:15 pm

Ta Steve & Phil - these three are all new.

William JOHNSTON married Ethel Maud KENT in the Sept Qtr of 1916 at Holborn, England.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 August 2013, 07:38:03 am
Frev,

Todays

BLYTHE   Walter William   1459   Pte   7 LHR   11R Tos 12-15 to 45Bn 4-16 to 12 MG Co 6-16 to 4 MG Bn 10-18 F&B to APayC London UK 3-19 to NME UK motoring married Beatrice Wilson at Newmarket UK 25-10-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 August 2013, 08:30:55 am
Frev,

Todays

TAYLOR   Stanley   332   Pte   7 LHR   B Sqn (G) to Gnr 40Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 4 DAC 5-16 to 45Bty/12 FAB (332a) 1-17 F&B att AProvC London 2-19 to NME UK gardener married Ellen Brackley at Epping UK 16-11-18

on page 22 of his file there is a form for a;

TAYLOR   S. (1689) 13 FAmb married Gladys Holt at Stretford UK 24-2-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 August 2013, 03:38:55 pm
Steve - thanks for Walter BLYTHE & Sydney TAYLOR (1689) - great find by the way - as I did already have Stanley TAYLOR in the database, but hadn't looked through his file yet.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 August 2013, 05:27:37 pm
Frev,

Todays

BALDWIN   John   269   Pte   03 LHR   B Sqn to Cpl 7-15 to T/Sgt 9-15 (G) to Sgt 12-15 att WFF to AATD UK 8-15 to 2 Sect/1 DAC 1-17 to 6Bty/2 FAB 5-18 MM - reason not stated F&B married Jesse Champkins at Enfield UK 25-3-19 (Boer War DCo/4 ACH (2849)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 August 2013, 07:10:28 am
Frev,

Todays

SHIRVINGTON   Charles   1774   Pte   7 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to AATD UK 9-16 to ACo/1Bn 2-17 WIA 5-5-17 R/arm shrapnel possibly during Snowy Howell winning the VC in fighting at Bullecourt FGCM 1-11-18 deserted sentenced 3 years PS to No 11 Military Prison 12-18 F&B to Portland Prison UK 2-19 sentence suspended 18-6-19 married Jesse Elvidge in Wandsworth UK 23-11-17

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 August 2013, 08:58:57 am
Frev,

Sorry mate very few married soldiers this week.

Todays

RATCLIFFE   Walter   2387   Pte   7 LHR   16R tos A Sqn? 8-16 to Co Rlwy Constr RE 6-17 rtn 10-17 to UK leave married Jane Heaton at Shardlow UK 12-5-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 August 2013, 02:26:37 pm

Steve - your apology isn't accepted - 'cos it's totally unnecessary!! Endlessly grateful for every marriage you find....

Thank you as always for the three latest - all new to the database.
Cheers, Frev  :)


 


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 August 2013, 09:03:44 am
Frev,

Todays

SPENCER   Edward Leigh   1189   Pte   7 LHR   8R tos B Sqn? 12-15 WIA 9-8-16 buttock minor shot at Bir el Abd to 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 12-16 to A/Cpl 69 Sqn AFC UK 7-17 att 29 Sqn RFC Shawbury UK 7-17 att 30 Sqn RFC Fern Hill UK 11-17 to A/Sgt 6 Trg Sqn AFC 1-18 to Sgt photographer 7 Trg Sqn AFC Leighton UK 7-18 prom 2/Lt Equipt officer 2nd class 1 Wing HQ AFC UK 8-18 to NME UK photography married Grace Osborn in Grantham UK 25-2-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 August 2013, 07:58:58 am
Frev,

Todays

STEELE   Oscar Arlington   800   Pte   7 LHR   3R Tos 4-15 (G) FGCM 20-6-16 AWoL sentenced 6 months HL comutted to 1 month to 1 Trg Bn UK (4Bn) 10-16 tos DCo/4Bn 11-16 att orderly 1 Div HQ 2-18 rtn 8-18 WIA 11-9-18 gas reported during Bn attack or in counterattack by German 19th Bavarian Regt at Templeux le Guerard and Hill 140 near Hesbecourt F&B married Dorothy Hulme at Overdale Ise of Mann 1-7-17 later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 August 2013, 02:09:10 pm

Ta Steve - already had SPENCER but STEELE is new.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 August 2013, 09:30:50 am
Frev,

This one has limited details but there must be a story here?

NELSON   James William   143   Pte   7 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 6-16 to Bdr 5-17 WIA 13-9-17 gas reported shelled around Ypres WIA 19-10-17 gas reported shelled around Zillebeke at Passchendaele to Sgt 2-18 WIA 1-8-18 gas mustard near Villers Bretonneux F&B

married in UK 21-3-18

DoD 31-3-21 died in Australia buried Field of Mars Cemetery NSW

He had a hard time with gas during the war, can you find who he married and how he died?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 August 2013, 08:18:23 am
Frev,

Little details;

SPURRELL   George   217   Pte   7 LHR   A Sqn (G) to LH Dtls UK 6-16 to 1 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to 4Bn (217a) 11-16 F&B disch 12-7-17 MU influenza married Doris at Padington UK

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 September 2013, 02:37:08 pm
Frev,

This one has limited details but there must be a story here?

NELSON   James William   143   Pte   7 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 6-16 to Bdr 5-17 WIA 13-9-17 gas reported shelled around Ypres WIA 19-10-17 gas reported shelled around Zillebeke at Passchendaele to Sgt 2-18 WIA 1-8-18 gas mustard near Villers Bretonneux F&B

married in UK 21-3-18

DoD 31-3-21 died in Australia buried Field of Mars Cemetery NSW

He had a hard time with gas during the war, can you find who he married and how he died?

Cheers

S.B


Hi Steve

Quite a few interesting asides to this story in fact! So, special thanks for bringing this one to my attention.  ;)

First off – it appears James didn’t die in 1921, but in 1922 – so I’m not sure how the AWM ended up with the date of 1921, and thus commemorating him on the Roll of Honour.  His death date is shown on the last page of his service record as 31/3/1922 – and this is backed up by his death being registered in 1922 (NSW BDMs) – & the Field of Mars Cemetery index, which lists the date of burial service as the 1/4/1922.

I guess I’ll have to contact the AWM with this info – which unfortunately means they’d have to take his name off the RofH, as 1922 falls outside the commemoration time.  [Note: he isn’t commemorated with CWGC]

Unfortunately I couldn’t find a death notice for him, so no chance of knowing the true cause of death without obtaining the death certificate.  However, his mother’s Obituary in 1938 states he died of ‘war injuries’ – so as you mentioned it’s most likely the effects of the gas that caused such an early death.

Other interesting parts of the story are that James was one of 6 brothers that served in the war (one of these on Home Service, and one KIA at Fromelles).  The brothers also had 2 nephews that served O/S.

And……..James wasn’t the only one that married in England – his younger brother Albert did also.  Even more fascinating is that the two brothers married two sisters – and on top of that, it’s highly likely that they were all related!

James married Mary NELSON & Albert married her older sister Alice.  The NELSON sisters were both born in Australia, and Alice was actually born at Walcha, not that far from Gunnedah & Connabarabran where the NELSON brothers grew up.  (The family moved to England sometime between 1906 & 1911)  If related, they definitely weren’t first cousins, but I haven’t traced the families any wider than that.

Anyway, the info I’ve gathered so far, below for your interest – cheers, Frev


NELSON, James William
Born 1882 Gunnedah, NSW – son of Alexander NELSON & Susanna Mary Jane NEATE who married in Gunnedah in 1873, when she was 16 & he was 20 – Susanna died 17/6/1938 at her residence, “Garrawilla,” 90 Loch Sparee St, Maroubra, age 81 – Alexander died 23/3/1945 at Maroubra, age 93

14 Siblings (all born Coonabarabran or Gunnedah):
1. Robert John b.1874 [Sons – WW1: Albert Ernest – Pte 4864, 13th Bn; Robert Neville – Pte 5444, 20th Bn; Jack enlisted 24/10/18, age 18]
2. William George b.1875;
3. Francis Alexander (Frank) b.1878 – Carpenter – WW1: Pte 2437, 18th Bn – GSW abdomen 26/71916 Pozieres, RTA 3/7/1917 – died 6/10/1935 NSW (buried Rookwood);
4. Alfred Arthur b.1880;
5. Albert Thomas b.1884 – Horse Trainer – WW1: L/Cpl 841, 33rd Bn – Married Alice Hope Nelson in Jan 1918 (Mar Qtr) West Ham, England – RTA 30/1/1918 A14 Euripides (Nephritis)– d.19/6/1966 Newtown, NSW (late of Willoughby);
6. Beatrice May b.1884; 7. Ida Alma (“Lal”) b.1885 – NOK; 8. Harold Ernest (‘Jelly’) b.30/12/1887 – WW2;
9. Alexander Edward b.1889 – Labourer – WW1: Pte 4860, 55th Bn, KIA 20/7/1916 Fromelles (VC Corner Mem);
10. Hubert H b.1890;
11. Percy Frederick b.6/2/1892 – Horse Trainer – WW1: Pte 2626, 34th Bn,(twice wounded) RTA 12/12/1918 – WW2 – d.8/10/1962 NSW, age 70 (late of Maroubra);
12. Claude Eric b.1896 – Clerk – WW1: Enlisted & discharged 1915 as Medically unfit at parents request – Home Service;
13. Josephine Mary (“Doll”) b.1898; 14. Kathleen Lila b.1899.

Roman Catholic
Carpenter

Married Mary Joy NELSON in Mar Qtr 1918 West Ham, Essex, England
Mary born 1898 St Leonards, NSW – daughter of George Herbert NELSON & Mary Sarah BATH
After James’ death, Mary re-married to Stanley Henry BRAIN in 1923 at Warren, NSW (WW1: Home Service)
Mary died 25/10/1974 in the ACT

WW1: Summary of service p.42 of SR
[From Steve: NELSON   James William   143   Pte   7 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Gnr 39Bty/10 FAB 3-16 to Dvr 6-16 to Bdr 5-17 WIA 13-9-17 gas reported shelled around Ypres WIA 19-10-17 gas reported shelled around Zillebeke at Passchendaele to Sgt 2-18 WIA 1-8-18 gas mustard near Villers Bretonneux F&B]
RTA 26/11/1918 Zealandia (1914 Leave) [with wife – p.27]

Died 31/3/1922 NSW, age 39
Buried Field of Mars Cemetery, NSW on the 1/4/1922 (Sec E, 547)


Gilgandra Weekly (NSW), Fri 2 Nov 1917:
The Doings of the West
The many friends of Private Jim Nelson, of Coonabarabran, will regret to learn that a report has been received that he has been gassed.  This is the last hero of five of the Nelson family in the firing line who have had to go out of action whilst fighting.

Notes:
[NSW BDM Index: reg. 1922 Balmain South, NSW (no. 8114)]
[Listed on the AWM Roll of Honour as died 31/3/1921 – however notification of death in last page of service record states he died 31/3/1922 & his death is registered in 1922 as above – not on CWGC]
[No death notice found]
[Field of Mars Cemetery Index gives date of service as 1/4/1922]

Susanna’s Obituary: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/113039239?searchTerm

Mrs M J Nelson – 42 Howard Rd, Walthamstow, Essex (NOK changed 15/3/1918)
James W Nelson married Mary J Nelson Mar Qtr 1918 West Ham, Essex

[Wife of Albert: Mrs Alice Hope Nelson – 42 Howard Rd, Church Hill, Walthamstow, Essex (Jan 1918) – Albert T Nelson married Alice H Nelson Mar Qtr 1918 West Ham, Essex]

1911 Census – NELSON – 40 Howard Rd, Walthamstow, Essex:
George Herbert, 46, Private Means, b. New Cross, Kent, England [b.c1865 –d.1945 Willoughby, NSW – son of George F & Celia Hope] [Living Willoughby 1925]
Mary Sarah, 41, wife, b. NSW, Australia [Mary Sarah BATH – marr 1891 Walcha, NSW – d.1963]
Alice Hope, 17, daughter, b. NSW [b.1893 Walcha, NSW – d.12/10/1970 Hornsby, NSW, age 77]
Frederick Walter, 15, son b. NSW
Mary Joy, 12, daughter, b. NSW [b.1898 St Leonards, NSW – remarried – d.25/10/1974 ACT]
George Chad, 11, son, b. NSW
Richard Denison, 9 , son, b. NSW
Patrick Campbell, 7, son, b. NSW
Celia Cynthia, 4, daughter, b. NSW [b.1906]
Sylvia Peace, 3mths, daughter, b. Walthamstow, Essex [b.1911]

[Alexander b.c1852, was the son of Robert]

Walcha, Gunnedah & Coonabarabran are all fairly close


Gilgandra Weekly (NSW), Fri 28 Sept 1917:
The Doings of the West
Private Frank Nelson (relative of Mr R.J. Nelson, Gilgandra), one of several brothers who answered the call, returned home to Coonabarabran a few days ago, and was accorded a great welcome.  About 500 people were at the station to cheer him when he stepped off the train.  The soldier was severely wounded in action in France.  The Nelson family record – both in Gilgandra and Coonabarabran – is one to be proud of.

Gilgandra Weekly and Castlereagh (NSW), Thur 17 Oct 1935:
DEATH OF MR FRANK NELSON
A sad death occurred in Sydney recently, when Mr Frank Nelson, of Coonabarabran, passed away.  The late Mr Nelson, who was a native of Coonabarabran, had been a great sufferer from wounds, received in the Great War, and, although, like the hero that he was, he never once complained.  He was a brother of Mr R.J. Nelson, of Gilgandra, who made the trip to Sydney last week to attend the funeral on Tuesday.  To his sorrowing aged parents, brothers and sisters, we extend our heartfelt sympathy.

Gilgandra Weekly (NSW), Fri 24 Mar 1916:
Local and District News
Mr R.J. Nelson, of this town, is in receipt of some most interesting letters from his brothers, who are serving at the front.  Mr Nelson is one of the unfortunates who is prevented from enlisting himself, but he has given two sons for the Empire’s service.

Letter from Albert, son of R.J.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/108452180?searchTerm





Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 September 2013, 02:50:25 pm
Frev,

Little details;

SPURRELL   George   217   Pte   7 LHR   A Sqn (G) to LH Dtls UK 6-16 to 1 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to 4Bn (217a) 11-16 F&B disch 12-7-17 MU influenza married Doris at Padington UK

S.B

Steve - thanks also for George SPURRELL

Haven't had an in-depth look into his details yet - but he married Doris Nellie MURRAY in the Jan-Mar Qtr of 1917 at Willesden, Middlesex, England.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 September 2013, 08:28:52 am
Frev,

Thanks for the details, interesting story.

See list 317 page 15 of this mans file;

COX   Fergus Robert   1544

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 September 2013, 07:33:51 am
Frev,

Sorry again no men getting married in the desert.

Found one;

HURLEY   Frank      Hon/Capt   AIF Admin HQ   AIF official photographer Tos AIF HQ London UK 8-17 to AIF 8-17 F&B to AIF HQ Cairo 12-17 att 1 Sqn AFC 2-18 to DMC HQ 2-18 MID - special mention in Haig's despatches to War Records Sect UK 4-18 disch in UK 11-7-18 married Antoinette Leighton in Cairo Egypt 11-4-18 Ex photographer on the Mawson Australasian Antarctic Expedition 1911 -1913 and Sir Ernest Shackleton Antarctic expedition 1914-1916 and filmed Kingford-Smith's final leg of the historic flight from England to Australia and Film maker and founder of Cinesound studio OBE & Polar Medal later WWII official photographer AKA James Francis Hurley

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 16 September 2013, 01:34:47 pm

Thanks Steve
Sadly I already had both of these - the same list that's in Cox's file - and Frank Hurley.
I actually have the book "Hurley at War" - his photographs and diaries - fascinating guy!
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 September 2013, 08:23:30 am
Frev,

Sorry again no men married in the desert but I did find one;

HARRISON   Henry   993   Pte   11 LHR   4R att A Troop CSqn/Comp LHR 11-16 to 9 LHR 2-16 tos C Sqn 2-16 to 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 1-17 to A/Cpl 3-17 to 1/AM 4-17 to A/Sgt 6-17 to 71 Sqn (4 Sqn) AFC (993a) 2-18 reduced Cpl 5-18 reduced to 2/AM 9-18 F&B to NME UK motors married Annie Fenwick at Old Trafford UK 24-7-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 September 2013, 08:06:32 am
Frev,

Strange one which I can't find the answer?

shown disch in Egypt but on page 68 there is a note to say he is to be married?

BEDSER   Wilfrid Harold   751   Sgt   11 LHR   1R tos B Sqn att DSqn/05 LHR 8-15 to C Sqn att DSqn/9 LHR 10-15 (G) rtn B Sqn WIA 19-4-17 L/buttock shot at 2nd Gaza to SSM B Sqn 7-18 disch to Head Constable Cairo Police & to be married (RAN 18 months) (AGA to Inf CMF 2 years) AKA Wilfred Harold Bedsor brother Gilbert Lt 26Bn

Did he marry and to who in Cairo?

and, no surname for wife?

BERWICK   Lawrence   752   Pte   11 LHR   1R tos B Sqn att DSqn/05 LHR 10-15 (G) to AB Abbey Wood UK 3-16 to 13 Trg Bn (49Bn) 9-16 to Sig BHQ/49Bn 1-17 F&B KIA 2-4-17 in attack on Noreuil by 13 Bde buried Vaulx Hill Cemetery France married Evelyn in Warminster UK

and

Another with little details?

BICKFORD   Alfred Francis   753   Pte   11 LHR   1R tos C Sqn att DSqn/9 LHR 8-15 (G) to LH Dtls UK 8-16 to 13 Trg Bn (50Bn) UK 10-16 to DCo/50Bn 1-17 to L/Cpl 3-17 to T/Cpl 4-17 F&B disch MU to Ammo worker in UK and married in Exeter UK?


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 September 2013, 07:39:50 am
Frev,

Sorry work has taken up most of my time lately;

Todays

ARNOLD   George   473   Pte   11 LHR   C Sqn att DSqn/9 LHR 8-15 (G) batman to Lt Bryant 4-16 to L/Cpl 3-18 to Cpl 5-18 to NME UK nurseryman married Edith Arnold at Leeds UK 17-9-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 September 2013, 07:09:55 am
Frev,

Todays

FALLON   Stephen   405   Pte   11 LHR   B Sqn att DSqn/05 LHR 8-15 (G) to 3 LHTR 4-16 to 4 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to 15Bn 10-16 F&B disch 12-7-18 DAH married Charlotte Nunn at Islington UK 24-12-17

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 September 2013, 02:04:20 pm

Steve – my apologies for not getting back to this thread sooner, but I’ve been working on something else, and didn’t want to get side-tracked!!

All you’ve added recently are new to the database – thank you.
Although, Alfred BICKFORD was already married before enlisting – so I’m not sure why you’ve added him??

Lawrence BERWICK married Evelyn Hilda BUTTON in the Oct-Dec Qtr of 1916 at Warminster, Wiltshire, England

And following is what I’ve found so far on Wilfred BEDSER (BEDSOR was the correct spelling for all records in regard to his family – but Wilfrid / Wilfred seems to have preferred spelling it with 2 e’s!)



BEDSER (BEDSOR), Wilfrid (Wilfred) Harold
Born 14/6/1890 Tinana, Maryborough, Qld – son of Seth BEDSOR (Butcher) & Jane Hamilton FULTON – who married in Qld 28/3/1872 – Seth d.1905 Qld, Jane d.1914 Qld

Siblings (all born Qld): Margaret Ann b.1874; Albert Laurence b.1877; Edith Maud b.1878; Gertrude b.1880; William Daniel b.1882; Arthur Daniel b.1883; Ethel Laura b.1885; Alfred Peter b.1888 – d.1955 Qld; Gilbert b.26/12/1892 – Fireman – WW1: 302 / Lieut, 25th Bn (member of 1915 football team – see AWM photo) – marr Dulcie FORCE 1921 NSW – d.16/10/1961 Qld;

Presbyterian
Labourer
1½ years Royal Navy; 1¾ years Wide Bay Infantry; 4 mths Australian Garrison Artillery, Brisbane;
5 years 4 mths Qld Police

Description: Height 5ft 11in; 168lbs; dark complexion; brown eyes; black curly hair

WW1: Enlisted 3/2/1915 – SSM 751 11th LH
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=3067575

Discharged in Cairo 19/8/1919 to marry & to join the Egyptian Government Service as Head Constable, Cairo Police

Married Hellen Gabrielle MARDI 27/11/1919 at the British Consulate, Cairo
[Born c1900, Hellen (Dress Designer 1927, later Publican) remarried in 1927 to John Joseph Thomas FLANAGAN]

Children: 2

Served as Inspector of Police, Palestine for 5 years after the war
Police Barracks, Jerusalem, Palestine 1921
Police Barracks, St Kilda Rd, Melb 1925
Instructor of police, Melb 1927

Divorced 1927 (by wife on grounds of misconduct & cruelty)

Married again in 1932 in Victoria, to Vivienne Theresa FRIEL
[Daughter of James M. & Lillian C. FRIEL]

New Guinea 1934, 1937
Admin Service – New Guinea 1942
1943 ER: Woolloongabba Hotel, Woolloongabba – Peace Officer (on his own)
1943 ER: Albert Hotel, King George Square, Brisbane – Peace Officer (on his own)
Appointed Justice of the Peace for Qld 1954 (Ipswich)

Married again by 1954 to Jennie Murrie GREEN (d.1990 Qld, age 98)
1954, 1958, 1963 ER: Jennie Murrie Bedser is listed as Grazier – living Prestwood with Wilfred
1954 Mrs Jennie Murrie Bedser – wife of WHB (Cairns)

Died 11/10/1967 Qld


The Argus, Wed 16 Feb 1927:
DIVORCE COURT
……………………………………………………………………………….
Other petitions were heard by Mr Justice Mann in the Third Civil Court.
Hellen Gabrielle Bedser, aged 27 years, of Albert street, East Melbourne, dress designer, petitioned for divorce from William [sic] Harold Bedser, aged 35 years, of Victoria street, East Melbourne, on the ground of misconduct, coupled with cruelty.  The parties were married on November 27, 1919, in the British Consulate, Cairo, by the British Consul.  Petitioner said that before her marriage she had lived with her parents in Cairo.  Respondent was then a staff officer of the police force at Cairo.  Her husband was now an instructor of police at the police department, Melbourne.  There are two children of the marriage.  A decree nisi was granted on the ground of misconduct, with costs, and petitioner was given custody of the children.  Mr Joske, petitioner’s counsel, said that petitioner was not claiming alimony.  She was earning 14 pounds a week as a dress designer.


The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld), Wed 5 Sept 1934:
Mr and Mrs W.H. Bedser (New Guinea), who have been spending a holiday in China and Japan, will be passing through Brisbane in the Tanda for Melbourne on September 17.

The Courier-Mail (Brisbane, Qld), Wed 18 Aug 1937:
FRONT LINE COMRADES – “Diggers” Recall Old Times – Six Reunions
…………………………………………………………………………………..
To this gathering came Mr W. Bedser, now controlling dusky-skinned natives in New Guinea, who served for five years after the war as an inspector of police in Palestine, and later spent some years in Melbourne before answering the lure of the tropics.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37045505?searchTerm


Notes:
Mentioned in the diary of George R. Faulkner – also referred to as Bill & Billy
http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/_transcript/2013/D04290/a2565.htm

[NAA file B741, V/6000 – 1929: Mrs Wilfred Harold Bedser nee Helene Madi or Modi – whereabouts sought]



Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 October 2013, 07:47:01 am
Thanks Frev,

Todays

DUNN   William Alexander   266   S/Smith   11 LHR   B Sqn att DSqn/05 LHR 10-15 (G) to 1 LH FSE 6-16 to 3 LH Field Troop AE 2-17 to NME UK Veterinary married Mabel Mallinson at Marfleet UK 27-11-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 October 2013, 08:10:27 am
Frev,

Not much lately

see page 6 of this mans file

List 418 page 1 "Wahene"

NEALE   Philip Sylvester   1207   Pte   11 LHR

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 08 October 2013, 09:03:15 pm

Thanks Steve

Did already have the men on the Wahehe passenger list (as per NEALE's file) - but William DUNN is new to the database.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 October 2013, 07:46:02 am
Frev,

Again no married men are being found, but one possible

Theres a change of NOK but limited details?

PATTERSON   Alexander   783   Pte   11 LHR   1R tos A Sqn att DSqn/ 2 LHR 8-15 (G) to Abby Wood UK 4-16 WIA 23-5-16 accident motor bike near Weymouth to 13 Trg Bn (49Bn) UK 9-16 disch in UK MU old injury in motor bike accident AKA Alick Patterson married Gladys at Dorchester UK


Found another of the many Provo soldiers married in the UK, they have no address where married?

SPENCE   Charles Frederick   794   Pte   11 LHR   1R tos B Sqn att DSqn/5 LHR 8-15 (G) rtn 2-16 to 4 Div Dtls 3-16 batman to Lt Morgan AProvC 1st Anzac Corps 7-16 to Anzac Police Tidworth UK 9-16 to MMP AProvC 5 Div HQ 12-16 F&B to ER 2/Cpl 2 Trg Bde UK 2-19 married Christma Thomsen in UK 13-3-19 (British 4Bn Royal Warwickshire Regt 2 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: iveco303 on 14 October 2013, 12:01:51 am
Hi Frev, May have another for you. No.5287.Sgt.Harold Wilkinson. 1st.Field Bakery married Nellie Mary Faure 11/2/18. 43 Rue Jean Baptiste, Gilbert, Sotteville. Les Rouen, France. Cheers Phil.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 October 2013, 07:35:21 pm

Thanks Steve & Phil

Did already have Charles SPENCE - but WILKINSON & PATTERSON are new.

Alexander PATTERSON married Gladys TOOLEY in the Mar Qtr of 1917 at Warminster, Wiltshire, England.

Charles SPENCE married Christma THOMSON in Birmingham, Warwickshire, England.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 October 2013, 07:46:58 am
Frev,

Sorry again no married men in the desert, but this one in France, check the ages of these two, 43 and 25.

McDONNELL   John Joseph   312   Pte   11 LHR   B Sqn att DSqn/05 LHR 8-15 (G) to Dvr 43Bty/11 FAB 4-16 FGCM 24-7-16 leaving his post sentenced 1 years HL quashed 19-8-16 F&B married Margaret Lindsay at Rutherglen UK 25-4-18 (Boer War DSqn/7 ACH (364)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 October 2013, 08:58:07 am
Frev,

Sorry again no married men showing up but I did find this that maybe of interest?

ROSS   Kenneth Stewart    1824   A/Cpl   05 LHR   12R Tos 12-15 to Gnr 53Bty/14 FAB 3-16 F&B disch 1-5-17 MU mental to 6 AGH Brisbane committed to Goodna Asylum for the murder of John Haiter at Roma 1917 (Boer War DCo/3 ACH (1899) AKA Kenneth Stuart Ross (QDF CMF 3 years)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 November 2013, 08:23:54 pm

Thanks Steve - J.J. McDonnell is new to the database.

One of the interesting things in regard to K.S. Ross - is it looks like one case where it's pretty certain his mental state (& the consequences of it) weren't due entirely to war service (WW1 anyway) - as it's noted in his service record that his delusional insanity is a pre-existing condition - and some of the newspaper articles reporting the murder state that he'd been an inmate of the Goodna Asylum in the past!

Cheers, Frev           


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 November 2013, 07:39:41 am
Frev,

Again no one marrying but I did find this man. What I found interesting is Maria is shown as a Jouralist in France, I wonder what she wrote during the war?

ROONAN   Alfred Victor   2359   Pte   05 LHR   16R to AATD UK 10-16 to Dvr 3 Sect/1 DAC 1-17 to 3 BAC 1-17 F&B married Journalist Maria Maitre at Phillipsville France 25-4-19 Ex 12R/05 LHR (1616) DNE

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 November 2013, 09:19:16 am
Frev,

Another of those soldiers who married a girl with the same surname?

BURNETT   Thomas William   1312   Pte   05 LHR   10R tos RHQ 2-16 to L/Cpl 12-17 to T/Cpl C Sqn? 11-18 to T/Sgt C Sqn? 11-18 revert T/Cpl 3-19 to NME UK draper married Olive Burnett at York UK 30-7-19

That makes about four soldiers we have found who married a girl with the same surname, cousins or what?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 14 November 2013, 07:06:08 pm
Hi Steve

Thanks for Alfred ROONAN & Thomas BURNETT - both are new ones, ta.
Yes, it certainly would be interesting to know what Maria wrote about during her journalistic career - especially as she was only 20 when they married!

In the case of Thomas & Olive BURNETT, yep you've cracked it - they were cousins.  Both from Yorkshire, Thomas came to Australia with his family (age 19) in 1912 - while Olive remained at home with her family.  Their fathers were brothers.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 November 2013, 08:52:08 am
Frev,

Again not many marrying.

Todays

CRAIG   James Richardson   2636   Pte   05 LHR   18R to 4 trg Bn (15Bn) UK 8-16 tos DCo/15Bn 5-17 to L/Cpl 8-17 WIA 28-9-17 R/ankle injury accident reported during relief by 45Bn at Menin Road & recom MM - for his actions at Zonnebeke 26-9-17 awarded Mention in Corps Orders - for gallent services during the operation WIA 25-8-18 gas reported 128 wounded when shelled in Crepy Wood during relief by 59th French Regt the effects came during the advance to Allonville F&B married Dorothy Rowell at Paisley Scotland 25-11-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 November 2013, 07:57:57 am
Frev,

Todays, other of those rare Egyptian marrages;

No first name for wife?

LAND   John Norman      2/Lt   05 LHR   9R att C Troop BSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 tos A Sqn 1-16 att Instruction School 9-16 rtn 7-17 to QM 2 LHTR 9-17 prom Hon/Capt 3-19 to UK leave married S Cassell at Port Said Egypt 26-2-17 disch 26-2-20 prom 2/Lt 24-8-15 (2Co AGA Townsville CMF 4 years later WWII Capt British Army )

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 November 2013, 02:04:42 pm

Steve - 2 more new ones ta.

John Norman LAND actually married an English nurse in Egypt - so some more details for you:

LAND, John Norman
Born 24/4/1890 Qld – son of John William LAND & Henrietta Ann DOVER – who married in Qld in 1886
John snr (a Tailor) died in January 1914 – Henrietta re-married 8/8/1925 to William George WEATHERHEAD – she died 16/3/1946 Qld

Siblings: Eleanor Jane b.1886; Ernest b.1888; William Joseph b.1892; Lillian Hannah b.1897

Occupations: Cleaner (1913 Townsville); Engine Driver (1919); Engineer (1920); Hosiery (1954)
Previous military experience: 4yrs No 2 Coy AGA, Townsville

WW1:
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=7376369
Embarked 17/9/1915 on A1 Hymettus as 2nd Lieut with the 9th Reinf of the 5th LH – disembarked Suez
TOS of LH Regt 20/11/1915
To be Lieut 1/3/1916 – to be Troop Officer A Sqn, Cairo 20/9/1916

Married Sara CASSELL 26/2/1917 Port Said, Egypt
Sarah b.c1890 England, was a Staff Nurse with the QAIMNSR in Egypt

To be Quartermaster 2nd LH Tng Regt 1/9/1917
Seconded to Australia Details Camp, Moascar – prom Quartermaster & Temp Hon Captain 15/3/1919
Embarked Port Said 2/8/1919 on the Caledonia for UK Leave (as Hon Captain)
RTA together with Sara & Sybil on the Aeneas from England 22/11/1919 – 13/1/1920
Appointment terminated 26/2/1920

Returned to England to live, arriving 15/4/1920 on the Bremen


Children: Sybil Rita b.c1918 Egypt – Served WW2: W.R.N.S (promoted to A/Third Officer June 1943) – marr Jeffrey LEVERTON Sept Qtr 1946 Willesden, Middlesex, England – still serving Women’s Royal Naval Reserve 1948, 1951
Gerald b. Sept Qtr 1920 Derby; Rosaline R b. Jun Qtr 1922 Derby; [Patricia b. Jun Qtr 1930 Basford]


WW2:
Capt Welch Regt, UK

Living Nottingham, England 1954


The Queenslander, Sat 25 Dec 1915 (p.28):
Photo of Lieut Land – In charge of 9th Reinforcements for 5th LH (very dark)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/2506988?zoomLevel=3&&searchTerm

Electoral Rolls:
1913 ER: Maryvale St, Townsville, Qld – Henrietta Ann (home duties); John Norman (cleaner); John William (tailor)
1919 ER: Railway Hotel, Ravenswood, Qld (engine driver)

UK Incoming Passenger List:
1920: Norman Land (29, Engineer), Sara Land (29) & Sybil Rita Land (1) travelled from Sydney to England on the Bremen, arriving 15/4/1920, with the intention of residing there

Supplement to the London Gazette, 15 Apr 1941 (p.2167):
Welch R.
Capt John Norman LAND (175309) to be Lt 6th Mar 1941

UK Incoming Passenger List:
1954: John N Land (64, Hosiery factor ?) & Sara Land (64, Housewife) returned to (Nottingham) England from Quebec on the Johan van Oldenbarnevelt, arriving Southampton 19/7/1954


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 November 2013, 08:09:31 am
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays

MacPHERSON   Norman Saladin   472   Pte   05 LHR   C Sqn WIA 28-6-15 neck & back shrapnel in attack on the Balkan Pitts (G) to records sect AIF HQ 8-15 to Sgt 9-15 to S/Sgt 3-16 to 3rd Ech AIF HQ 11-16 F&B att records Sect AIF HQ London 12-16 WIA 28-1-17 face accident motor cycle crash at Fulham to ER Wo1 4-17 prom 2/Lt 8-18 recom MID awarded brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services married Dorothy Lineham at Fulham London UK 28-11-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 November 2013, 08:45:42 am
Frev,

I think I've given you this bloke before?

SALES   Albert Edward   703   Pte   05 LHR   1R tos B Sqn 7-15 (G) to AAMC 4 AAuxH 2-16 to Cpl 6-16 to AAMC AIF depots UK 9-16 married Jeane Charon in Wandsworth UK 24-11-16

and

THOMPSON   Andrew   186   Pte   05 LHR   A Sqn to L/Cpl 8-15 (G) to AIF depots UK 4-16 to AProvC Tidworth UK 12-17 to AProvC 2 Div HQ 6-18 to AProvC 3 Div HQ 7-18 F&B married Hilda Bateman in Weymouth UK 14-3-17 (QMI CMF) brother Griff 25Bn

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 December 2013, 08:19:03 am
Frev,

Todays

The marrage form has no first names only initals?

SALVERSON   Lothian Robert Gray   842   Pte   8 LHR   4R to B Sqn (G) to C Sqn 7-17 to AIF HQ 10-18 to soldiers club 3-19 to UK leave married L. Stewart in Bolton UK 18-11-16 AKA Lothiain Robert Gray Salvenson or alias Karl Robert Krohn later WWII

Cheer

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 December 2013, 09:38:31 pm

Ta Steve - all are new except for SALES who, as you suspected, you had already given me.

A little extra info for you on SALVESON / KROHN:


SALVESON, Lothian (Robert) Gray

Born 6/12/1893 Oakleigh, Vic – son of Andrew SALVESON (born Norway) & Elizabeth Ann GRAY (birth reg. 1894) – who married in Vic in 1891

Siblings: Annie b.1892; Lilian Gray b.1895; Allan Melrose SALVESON b.1897 Oakleigh (Plasterer) – Pte 843, 23rd Bn – 15th MG Coy / 5th MG Bn – married Olga ANDERSON 1925 Vic – also served WW2; Beatrice b.1899; Lindsay Oliver b.1901

WW1 & 2 Service Records: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=6633609

Married Lena STEWART 18/11/1916 St Peter & Paul’s RC Church, Bolton, Lancashire, England

Child: John Gray born 1920 Oakleigh, Vic

1922: Lena (age 26) with son John, (age 1½) returned to England on the Suevic, arriving 14/7/1922
Lena gave birth to a second son, Frank, in the Dec Qtr of 1922 in Bolton, Lancashire

Married Hazel Alice PHILLIPS 7/7/1923 Vic (Bigamous marriage – took poison when this was discovered, and on release from hospital disappeared & changed his name)

1924 ER: Karl Trevor KROHN – 6 Yarra St, Hawthorn – Plasterer

Married (as Karl Trevor KROHN) Jessie Lillian FORRESTER 25/4/1926 Vic

Enlisted WW2 as Karl Robert KROHN – (wife, Jessie Lillian)

1977 ER: Karl Robert KROHN – 18 Wrixon Ave, Brighton East – Plaster (with Jessie Lillian)

Died (as Karl Robert KROHN) 1977 Brighton, age 83


Bigamous marriage 1923: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/77755586

The Argus, Sat 25 Aug 1923 (p.32):
CASE OF POISONING
Lothian Salveson, aged 28 years, plasterer, of Williams road, East Prahran, was admitted to the Alfred Hospital yesterday morning, suffering from the effects of poisoning.  He was taken to the hospital by his brother-in-law.  His condition is not serious.



Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 December 2013, 09:23:39 am
Frev,

Todays

SMITH   Claude   297   L/Cpl   8 LHR   B Sqn A Troop (G) to AProvC London UK 6-16 to Cpl 1-17 to A/Sgt 10-18 to ER Sgt 5-19 married Beatrice Arter at Cheltenham UK 11-1-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 December 2013, 07:53:31 am
Frev,

Todays

TUOHY   Frederick Michael   260   Pte   8 LHR   B Sqn WIA 25-6-15 face & neck shrapnel with shock by shell at Walkers Ridge (G) to Cpl APayC (138) 12-15 to AIF HQ London UK 5-16 married Florence Leach in London UK 13-2-19 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 December 2013, 07:30:27 am
Frev,

Todays

JERVIS   William James   1838   Pte   8 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to Dvr 12 BAC 4-16 to 4 DAC 7-16 F&B married Lilly Couch at Kensington UK 26-11-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 11 December 2013, 03:12:54 pm
Many thanks as always Steve - these 3 are all new.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 December 2013, 06:52:20 am
Frev,

Todays

JOHNSTON   Henry Edward   1193   Pte   8 LHR   9R (1194) tos A Sqn 12-15 att 35Co AASC Aust MDT 12-18 rtn 2-19 to NME UK agriculture married Margaret Trow at London UK 29-8-19 AKA Edward Henry Johnston later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 December 2013, 09:01:17 am
Frev,

Todays, no details on wife?

ADAMS   Herbert   179   Pte   AVC   7R to Vet/Sgt 3-16 to 55Bty/14 FAB 4-16 to HQ/14 FAB 4-16 to 4 MG Bn 4-18 F&B Ex 1 VS (487) DNE married Annie * in Lovel UK 21-3-18

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 December 2013, 09:40:06 am
Frev,

Can you fill in the blanks with this lady?

DONALDSON   Katherine Minnie       Sister   AANS   Tos 14 AGH 10-17 Ex S/Nurse 2 AGH att HS "Gascon" 4-15 (G) to Sister 12-15 to 14 BGH 6-16 F&B disch 8-7-16 married Donaldson in UK ARRC 2nd class With British forces in Egypt AKA Katherine Minnie Porter

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 December 2013, 08:33:18 am
Frev,

Today

DONEHUE   Alfred Arthur   1224   Pte   AVC   22R tos AVH Calais 3-18 to S/Smith 6-18 to 3 MVS 10-18 att 24Co AASC 12-18 rtn 1-19 F&B married Elsie Woodrow in Richmond UK 26-6-19 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 December 2013, 02:51:16 pm

Thanks Steve - did already have JOHNSTON, but ADAMS & DONEHUE are new.

Herbert ADAMS married Annie Laurie BARTLETT in the Sept Qtr of 1917 Pancras, London, England - they RTA together on the 20/6/1919 on the Konig Frederich August.
Herbert Died 5/12/1935 in the Tamworth Base Hospital, NSW.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 15 December 2013, 02:57:16 pm
Frev,

Can you fill in the blanks with this lady?

DONALDSON   Katherine Minnie       Sister   AANS   Tos 14 AGH 10-17 Ex S/Nurse 2 AGH att HS "Gascon" 4-15 (G) to Sister 12-15 to 14 BGH 6-16 F&B disch 8-7-16 married Donaldson in UK ARRC 2nd class With British forces in Egypt AKA Katherine Minnie Porter

Cheers

S.B


I certainly can Steve - details below from my file on her:

PORTER, Minnie Kate (Katherine Minnie DONALDSON) – Sister, ARRC
Married Capt John Ebenezer DONALDSON, 19th Bn, AIF 8/7/1916 France

Born (Minnie Kate) 3/7/1881 Rochester North, Port Adelaide, SA – daughter of James William PORTER & Mary Jane HUETT

WW1: Embarked 28/11/1914 on Kyarra with the 2nd AGH – disembarked Suez 15/1/1915
Detached to Gascon for duty at Gallipoli 16/4/1915
Detached to 14th British Gen Hosp Boulogne 13/6/1916
Relinquished appointment 8/7/16
[Attached 2ACCS 28/7/16]
Struck off strength 8/8/16
Proc to England 23/8/16 [RTA 14/11/1916?]

RTA and re-enlisted July 1917 as DONALDSON – widow
Embarked Sydney 3/9/1917 on the Kyarra – disembarked Suez 20/10/17
Joined 14th AGH Abbassia 20/10/17
Sick to hospital Port Said 8/8/1918 – discharged to duty 24/8/18
Sick to hospital Abbassia 25/1/19 (influenza)
RTA 5/2/1919 from Suez on Delta – arriving 22/3/1919
Discharged 30/4/1919

Red Cross Hospital, Woodville, Randwick, NSW (Oct 1919)

Married (2) to John’s brother, *George Shirley DONALDSON 1925 Randwick, NSW
[WW1: Lieut, 55th Bn (MC) – he died 5/12/1951]

Applied Repat 1955 NSW

Died 2/7/1955 in hospital, Balmain, NSW
Cremated Northern Suburbs Crematorium, NSW


The Sydney Morning Herald, Mon Jul 4, 1955 (p.18):
DEATHS
DONALDSON, Katherine Minnie – July 2, 1955, at hospital, formerly Sister Porter, RRC, World War 1, widow of the late G. Shireley Donaldson, loved sister of Bessie V. Herrry and sister-in-law of Leopold Herry and Dorothy.

FUNERALS
DONALDSON – The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs KATHERINE MINNIE DONALDSON, formerly Sister Porter, R.R.C., World War 1, are invited to attend her Funeral; to leave our Chapel, 810 George Street, Sydney, To-morrow (Tuesday), at 10.15 am, for Northern Suburbs Crematorium.


John Ebenezer DONALDSON
Born 2/7/1887 Atherton, SA – son of George Duncan DONALDSON (d.12/5/1917) & Grace Gertrude SHIRLEY (Wahroonga, NSW)
MB – Sydney University
Pathologist, Sydney Hospital

WW1: Enlisted 14/8/1914 – served AN&MEF – appointment terminated 24/2/1915
Re-embarked 25/6/1915 with the 19th Bn
Proceeded to join MEF Gallipoli 16/8/15
15/11/15 Paratyphoid – admitted 2nd AGH Ghezireh 25/11/15 – ret to duty 28/1/16
Proceeded to join BEF 18/3/16 – disembarked Marseilles 25/3/16
[Named Sister Porter as a beneficiary in an addendum to his Will 1/4/1916]
Wounded in action 26/7/1916 Pozieres

Died 11/8/1916 at No. 1 Red Cross Hosp, Le Touquet, France of Bronch-Pneumonia following GSW to back (paraplegia)
Buried Etaples Military Cemetery

2 brothers served:
*Pte 1341, Charles Bernard Donaldson, 2nd Bn – shot by a sniper 20/7/1915 Gallipoli, whilst engaged in sapping (Buried Brown’s Dip – Re-interred Lone Pine Cemetery)
*Lieut George Shirley Donaldson (MC) – 55th Bn (twice wounded) – RTA 20/10/1918 family reasons





Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 December 2013, 12:34:20 pm
Frev,

Todays

CARTER   Albert Barrington   210   Pte   8 LHR   B Sqn (G) to Dvr (997Co) 37Co AASC AMDT 8-17 to L/Cpl 4-18 to Cpl 3-19 married Robetta Bartley at Weymouth UK 14-11-16 later WWII

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 28 December 2013, 12:45:46 pm

Steve - many thanks for Albert CARTER - he's new to the database.

Hope you've had a wonderful Christmas
And all the best for a safe & happy New Year
Cheers, Frev  :)


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 December 2013, 09:51:43 am
Frev,

Thanks mate same to you and yours.

Today

No surname of other details, shown RTA with Wife and child.

JOHNSTON   William   96   Pte   8 LHR   A Sqn (G) to AIF depots UK 6-16 disch 24-8-18 MU ague AKA Johnstone married Lucy at UK


the first page gives us Lucy Johnston of Dochester UK

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 30 December 2013, 02:21:54 pm

Ta Steve - William JOHNSTON is new.

His full name is William George JOHNSTON, and he married Lucy FARR 1/7/1916 Dorchester, Dorset, England.

Their son born in England was Robert Adam JOHNSTON - he served in the RAAF in WW2 - they also had a son Geoffrey William who served in WW2.

William also had a brother who served in WW1 (namesake of his son) - Robert Adam JOHNSTON, a Lieut in the 39th Bn (awarded an MC)

Lucy died in 1957, and William died in September 1975 - he was cremated at Springvale Cemetery & his ashes interred in the Dodonaea Garden (Col 3, Sect N, Niche 17).
[I probably have a photo of the plaque - but haven't catalogued it yet!]

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 January 2014, 10:08:15 am
Frev,

Todays

BUNWORTH   Denis William   1211   Pte   13 LHR   6R tos 2 Div Cyc Co 3-16 to BCo/1 Anzac Cyc Bn 5-16 to DCo/22Bn 8-16 WIA 25-2-17 shell shock reported during the capture of Gallwitz and Malt Trench by C and DCo's under Lt Bazeley and Capt Cull near Warlencourt FGCM 17-10-18 deserted & AWol for 6 hours sentenced 1 year HL suspended 11-18 F&B married Gladys Murray at St Pancras London UK 15-7-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 January 2014, 07:33:53 am
Frev,

Todays

COWAN   Gilbert Lionel Swain   1220   Pte   13 LHR   6R tos 2-16 to Dvr 2 Pnr Bn 3-16 F&B married Margaret Sutherland at Halkirk UK 30-4-19

and

GORDON   Percy   1075   Pte   13 LHR   5R att D Troop CSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to 4 Div Cav 3-16 to BSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to Gnr 2 DAC 11-17 to 104Bty/4 FAB 12-17 F&B married Mary Queen at Glasgow Scotland 16-5-18 Ex 2R/13 LHR (846) DNE  later WWII Cpl 7 HQ LofC Seymour Vic died of heart failure buried Springvale Cemetery Vic

and this bloke turned up, he was discharged from the AIF at the time?

CONNOR   William Edward Ernest      Lt   8 LHR   A Sqn to 5R DNE disch 15-4-15 MU (3 LH NSWMR 6-4-08 to Area officer Wagga 1-11-10 to 11 LH 1-7-12 CMF) (Boer War British Army possibly not?) disch to British Army prom 2/Lt 1st Royal Nth Devon Hussars & 16Bn Devonshire Regt and Capt 10Co/2Bn ICC 2-5-16 to 23-5-18 (unit dates when served is unconfirmed) married Lilian Gooderham in Depwade UK 1916

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 03 January 2014, 03:42:17 pm

Ta Steve - these are all new.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: iveco303 on 06 January 2014, 01:22:04 pm
Hi Frev, Have found this chap,don't know if you already have him.
No.1194.Edward Albert Smith & he married Martha Cooke of 24, Lewis Street,
Grove road. Norwich.Cheers Phil.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 January 2014, 07:12:08 am
Frev,

Sorry I haven't seen this mans file (can't find it on the ANA site?).

What I have;

CAROLANE   William James   929   Pte   13 LHR   3R to Aust Corps HQ F&B married in UK later WWII records

There is a file which gives his wife passage to aussie after the war around 1920.

and shown married during war but no details?

GARDNER   William   935   Pte   13 LHR   3R NTOS to 13 LH Dtls UK 6-16 to 2 Trg Bn (6Bn) UK 9-16 to ER Sgt 5-17 tos Pte BCo/6Bn (935a) 9-17 to L/Cpl 11-17 WIA 13-7-18 thighs, buttock and R/arm shot possibly on raid by Lt Palmer on German trenches near Merris F&B married in UK


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 January 2014, 04:37:05 pm
Hi Frev, Have found this chap,don't know if you already have him.
No.1194.Edward Albert Smith & he married Martha Cooke of 24, Lewis Street,
Grove road. Norwich.Cheers Phil.

Thanks Phil - I do already have this one - but always worth checking, ta  :)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 January 2014, 04:45:30 pm
Frev,

Sorry I haven't seen this mans file (can't find it on the ANA site?).

What I have;

CAROLANE   William James   929   Pte   13 LHR   3R to Aust Corps HQ F&B married in UK later WWII records

There is a file which gives his wife passage to aussie after the war around 1920.

and shown married during war but no details?

GARDNER   William   935   Pte   13 LHR   3R NTOS to 13 LH Dtls UK 6-16 to 2 Trg Bn (6Bn) UK 9-16 to ER Sgt 5-17 tos Pte BCo/6Bn (935a) 9-17 to L/Cpl 11-17 WIA 13-7-18 thighs, buttock and R/arm shot possibly on raid by Lt Palmer on German trenches near Merris F&B married in UK


Cheers

S.B


Ta Steve - William CAROLANE is new - and yes, I see what you mean - his service record seems to be lost in the system somewhere!!

He married Ellen Margarethe Gunnerson HARBOE (a Danish lady) in the Sept Qtr of 1917 St Martin, London, England.  But if she did end up coming to Australia - it didn't work out - as she remarried (according to a family tree) in 1924.

William also remarried in 1928 to Mabel Victoria BARNES - who is listed as his NOK on his WW2 record.


William GARDNER didn't actually marry O/S - but married Nellie Florence WILTSHIRE in Victoria in 1915 before sailing.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 January 2014, 08:52:20 am
Frev,

Sorry about Gardner, I notice he had no marrage on the first page but showed married later in his file.

I don't know if you saw our discussion on Bill's site with Colin Renshaw as he posted more details on Bill Connor;

posted by Colin;


I have received quite a detailed review of William Edward Ernest Connor from one of his relatives although even the relatives do not have a complete picture of his military service.

Born in Alberton Victoria in 1872 his parents were from Devon and still held land there in 1873. His father George William Connor died in September 1873.
On 13 May 1890 William Connor (known locally as Ernest Connor , was seriously injured when a runaway horse collided with one he was riding . The Right Thigh bone was badly broken and his thigh muscles torn. This left him with some permanent disability in the Right Leg. While still able to ride, walking long distances was apparently difficult.

In April 1908 he was gazetted provisional 2nd Lieutenant in the Australian Light Horse Pambula Troop (Lt E.W. Connor misnamed) and attended the ALH studies CENTRE I 1909 AS 2nd Lt W.E.E. Connor 3rd Bega-Pambula-Carbago Sqd.

More to follow and I am hopeful also of a photograph.

(he Emailed me the photos if you want them?)

and

I am indebted to Mr A,G, Connor , a diescendant of William Edward Ernest Connor for his very detailed research into this man. He has given permission for a summary of this research to be added here and has also provided two photographs which I am having trouble posting. I will keep trying.


Research by A.G. Connor 2012-2013


Ernie (William Edward Ernest Connor was known as Ernie locally) joined the ALH while in Pambula in 1907 or 1908 and then went to Wagga in 1911, also with the ALH. He was always a keen and good horseman but when he was 18, he suffered a badly broken leg that left him with a permanent limp. This, and the fact that he was 42 in 1914 meant that he was unlikely to see much action overseas. Ernie wanted to see action so he made his own way to England (don’t know exactly when or how) and joined the RNDH. I don’t know of any previous family link to this unit. His service overseas is very sketchy, but there are a few family stories in the attached references. I was in the UK earlier this year and contacted the RNDH Museum in Barnstaple to ask if they knew anything about Ernie but, apart from the medal rolls, they have very little.

Certificate 6 Apr 1908
William Edward Ernest Connor appointed Second Lieutenant in the Military Forces of Australia.
Pambula Voice – Friday 17 April, 1908
W.E.E. CONNOR, of Broadwater, has been gazetted second lieutenant (provisionally) of the Australian Light Horse.

Military Order 413 of 1910, 3 December 1910
Area Officers, 1910, Light Horsemen Effective from 1 November 1910
At the commencement of the Kitchener reforms based upon the Kitchener Report of February 1910, the position of "Area Officer" was created to administer a specific geographic location. To give legal sanction to the position, Military Order 304 was issued on 20 September 1910.
Second Lieutenant William Edward Ernest Connor of the 3rd Australian Light Horse Regiment (Australian Horse) was appointed to New South Wales area Number 44B for the region of Wagga Wagga with the rank of Lieutenant while holding Temporary Appointment as Area Officer.

Australian Light Horse Studies Centre 1 Oct 1914
Lieutenant William Edward Ernest CONNOR, a 42 year old Soldier from Melbourne, Victoria. He enlisted on 1 October 1914; [In fact, Ernie would have been above the age limit of 35 for eligibility, being 42]. but did not embark [with 8th Australian Light Horse Regiment, AIF, "A" Squadron, from Melbourne, Victoria on board HMAT A16 Star Of Victoria 25 February 1915] and subsequently was Discharged in Britain, 2 May 1916 [This is the date that he joined the RNDH].
National Archives Military Record 16 Dec 1914
Appointed 2nd Lt in 8th Light Horse Regiment, 5th Reinforcements.
Australian Light Horse Studies Centre 25 Feb 1915
WEEC did not embark [with 8th Australian Light Horse Regiment, AIF, "A" Squadron, from Melbourne, Victoria on board HMAT A16 Star Of Victoria 25 February 1915] and subsequently was Discharged in Britain, 2 May 1916 [This is the date that he joined the RNDH]. According to family members, WEEC left Australia in Dec 1914 under his own fare and travelled to England.
National Archives Military Record 15 Apr 1915
Appointment 2nd Lt in 8th Light Horse Regiment, 5th Reinforcements terminated.
National Archives Military Record 7 May 1915
Did not embark with 8th Light Horse Regiment, 5th reinforcements at Melbourne on HMAT A56 “Palermo”
According to a personal interview given to the family researcher: (Note that I have been trying unsuccessfully to post the photograph referred to in this interview for the past two days. I will keep trying)

Photo of Ernie in uniform – all the soldier settlers called him ‘Skipper’ or ‘Captain’. He was in Egypt. He was breaking in horses for the ALH down at Broadmeadows they wouldn’t have him in the army because of his bad limp – he was dragged by a horse when he was young – and he had a very bad limp so the infantry didn’t want him, so he paid his fare to England and joined a light horse regiment (1st Royal North Devon Hussars). ]They were sent out to Egypt but there was no water etc so they destroyed all those horses and made it a camel corps. He got typhoid in the Middle East and was in Cairo hospital for a long time.


National Archives Military Record 2 May 1916
Discharged from the AIF. War Service began as Second Lieutenant in the Royal North Devon Hussars


British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards 1914-1920 (Ancestry.com) Name: William Edward Ernest Connor
Regiment or Corps: Imp Camel C,
Roy North Devon Huss, Captain
Royal North Devonshire Yeomanry, Lieutenant
ROYAL 1st DEVON YEOMANRY (HUSSARS)
*Gallipoli 1915, *Egypt 1916 - 1917, Gaza, *Jerusalem, Tell Asur, *Palestine 1918 - 1918*Somme 1918, *Bapaume 1918, *Hindenburg Line, *Epehy, *France and Flanders 1918,
ROYAL NORTH DEVON YEOMANRY (HUSSARS)
*Somme 1918, *Bapaume 1918, *Hindenburg Line, *Epehy, *France and Flanders 1918,*Gallipoli 1915, *Egypt 1916 - 1917, Gaza, *Jerusalem, Tell Asur ,*Palestine 1917 - 1918.
Imperial Camel Corps.
In over two years of service including much combat, two hundred and forty six members of the corps died, one hundred and six of them British, eighty-four Australians, forty-one New Zealanders, and nine from India.[10][11]
A memorial to the Imperial Camel Corps was unveiled on the 22 July 1921, on the Thames Embankment in London. On one side it is inscribed with the names of all the members of the corps who died during the war, while on the front is the sentiment;
To the Glorious and Immortal Memory of the Officers, N.C.O's and Men of the Imperial Camel Corps – British, Australian, New Zealand, Indian – who fell in action or died of wounds and disease in Egypt, Sinai, and Palestine, 1916, 1917, 1918.[10]
It also lists all the battles and engagements fought by the corps;

1916: Romani, Baharia, Mazar, Dakhla, Maghara, El. Arish, Maghdaba

1917: Rafa, Hassana, Gaza 1, Gaza 2, Sana Redoubt, Beersheba, Bir Khu Weilfe, Hill 265

1918: Amman, Jordan Valley, Mudawar (Hedjaz)[11]


National Archives Military Record 23 May 1918
War Service ended with Royal North Devon Hussars

Land fit for Heroes pp 151. May 1918
Royal North Devon Hussars posted to Ireland. His Wife, Lilian’s identity card (held by Doreen Connor) shows the address as Longford Barracks (Longford, Ireland
Land fit for Heroes pp 151. April 1919
Royal North Devon Hussars left Ireland.
Sunday Times Perth 28 Mar 1920
MOVEMENTS OF TRANSPORTS
The following vessels are on their way to Australia carrying some troops and dependants, date of leaving England in parentheses: Anchises, (Feb. 14); via the Cape; Demosthenes (March 5)

SMH 22 Apr 1920
RETURNING TROOPS. DEMOSTHENES DUE TO-DAY.
Troops by the Demosthenes will arrive this morning at 8 o'clock, and will disembark at Dalgety's Wharf, Miller's Point. Friends and relations may meet them outside the wharf.
New South Wales Australia, Unassisted 1826-1922 Passenger Lists (Ancestry.com) Name: Wm Ed Ernest Conner
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1920
Vessel Name: Demosthenes


This research also records the presence of W.E.E. Connor in his local community during 1899, 1900 and the period 1902 through to 1908. This is evidenced by various newspaper reports detailing his involvement in a number of community events including sheep dog trials, cricket and local theatre as well as stock sales etc. These reports appear to confirm the family record that he did not serve during the Boer War

Regards,

Colin Renshaw

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 January 2014, 07:16:28 am
Frev,

Todays another one married while on AMTS Chelsea.

HOLTON   Bernard   852   Pte   13 LHR   2R att C Troop CSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Gnr 3 sect/2 DAC 3-16 to 13Bty/5 FAB 4-17 FGCM 31-12-17 AWoL sentenced 50 days FP 1 WIA 20-6-18 gas reported shelled by mustard gas suporting the fighting near Morlancourt to 2 DAC 8-18 rtn 13Bty/5 FAB 12-18 F&B to War Chest London UK 12-18 to AMTS Chelsea UK 7-19 married Rose Brewster at London UK 5-11-19 later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 January 2014, 07:39:44 am
Frev,

Todays, no wifes details?

Shown as Doris Eva Long East Dulwich London around 6 June 1917.

LONG   Witham John   608   Pte   13 LHR   A Sqn (G) to 5 Div Cav 3-16 to Sig/Cpl CSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 5-18 F&B married Doris in UK Ex 1R/8 LHR (973) DNE (NZ Wellington Naval Arty Volunteers) AKA William John Long

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 January 2014, 07:00:14 am
Frev,

Todays

HARMAN   Reuben Edward   264   Pte   13 LHR   C Sqn Tos 11-15 (G) to 5 Div Cav 3-16 to CSqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 to 5Bn 7-18 WIA 9-8-18 L/thigh shot reported 68 wounded during advance from Harbonnieres to Lihons to Spr 5 BGROC 9-18 F&B to AIF depots UK 12-18 married Elizabeth Henry at Camlachie Glasgow Scotland 2-8-19

and

HARTFIELD   Alfred   267   Pte   13 LHR   C Sqn Tos 11-15 (G) to 2 Div Cav 3-16 to 1 Troop ASqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B married Elizabeth Hane in London UK 20-3-18 (British The Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regt TF 3 years)

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 January 2014, 02:13:48 pm

Steve - Thanks for the extra info on W.E.E. Connor - and the other men are all new to the database, ta.

William John LONG married Doris Eva FINDLAY on the 12/5/1917 at the Parish Church, St Barnabas, Dulwich, London - they RTA together on the Main 23/7/1919 - he died in 1950 in Vic, and Doris died 1965.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 January 2014, 09:44:01 am
Frev,

No record of marrage but he is shown as retuning on a family boat, did he marry?

FIRMIN   Stanley Herbert   2649   Pte   51Bn   6R to 13 Trg Bn UK 12-16 to 17 FAmb UK 6-17 to 1 AGH 11-17 to records sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ 10-18 to ER Cpl 11-18 F&B to AIF HQ London 11-18 to ER Sgt 5-19 RTA as 10 LHR married in UK TBC?

and

No details for wife?

HOOLE   William George   2800   Pte   5 FAmb   C Sect WIA 11-10-15 minor on Anzac (G) att San Sect Egypt 2-16 to 6 FAmb 3-16 to Cpl 5-16 att AIF depots UK 6-16 to 15 Trg Bn UK 7-16 to 6 San Sect UK 12-16 att LtCol Purdie ADMS to T/Sgt AIF depots UK 9-17 married Lydia in UK British Red Cross Gold Medal - for the invention of a special Hot box for food (QDF CMF 3 months)

Can you find anything of the BRC Gold medal he mentions in his file?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 January 2014, 11:34:57 am
Frev,

I take it you may have this bloke?

McCARTHY   Lawrence   422   Pte   16Bn   CCo to L/Cpl 5-15 to Cpl 7-15 to Sgt 9-15 (G) Croix de Guerre (F) - for his actions at Poziers and at St Eloi Aug 1916 to Jan 1917 to CSM 3-17 WIA 2-4-17 at Bullecourt prom 2/Lt 4-17 to 13 Trg Bn UK 1-18 rtn 8-18 VC -for his actions around Madame Wood near Villers Bretonneux 23-8-18 F&B married Florence Norville at London UK 25-1-19 (18 LH WAMI CMF) AKA Laurence Dominic McCarthy (CMF 2 years) only son Lawrence KIA 20-5-45


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 January 2014, 04:11:53 pm

Hi Steve

Yes, I already have Lawrence McCARTHY, ta.

The reason why Stanley FIRMIN was waiting for a family boat was because his brother & sister returned to Australia with him.

No, sorry, can't find anything more about the BRC Gold Medal - doesn't appear to be a very common award!
And frustratingly, there's no War Diary for the 6th Sanitary Sect amongst the Australian WDs.

Will attach the notes I've gathered on W.G. HOOLE - in case any of it is of interest....
Cheers, Frev


HOOLE, William George – 2800, 5th Fld Amb & 6th Sanitary Sect

Born 1876 Bathurst, NSW – son of George & Harriet Alice (nee Bailey)

Occupation: Health Food Inspector
1909: Sanitary Inspector of the Blue Mountains Shire
Sept 1911: Acting Sanitary Inspector, Broken Hill – suspended for alleged misconduct:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45163982
Nov 1911: Appointed Sanitary Inspector of the Lake Macquarie Shire
Jul 1946: former Health Inspector at Lake Macquarie – appointed District Agent for the Commonwealth Unemployment and Sickness benefits scheme

Married Lydia May PARNELL Mar Qtr 1917 Andover, England
[Born 1881 Portsea Island, Hampshire]

RTA together on the Ormonde 16/6/1919 – 4/8/1919

From Steve:
HOOLE   William George   2800   Pte   5 FAmb   C Sect WIA 11-10-15 minor on Anzac (G) att San Sect Egypt 2-16 to 6 FAmb 3-16 to Cpl 5-16 att AIF depots UK 6-16 to 15 Trg Bn UK 7-16 to 6 San Sect UK 12-16 att LtCol Purdie ADMS to T/Sgt AIF depots UK 9-17 married Lydia in UK British Red Cross Gold Medal - for the invention of a special Hot box for food (QDF CMF 3 months)

Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=5833687

“Stammers considerably especially when excited”

Medals & Decorations:
Queens Sth African Medal 1876 R.A.M.C.
3 WW1 service medals
British Red Cross Gold Medal (Special efficiency)

p.51 of SR (he stating his details of service):
“….placed in charge of the 6th Sanitary Section scattered over the Australian Camps in the Southern Command in England.
It was finally there where I devised several Hygienic and Sanitary Appliances for use of Troops in the Front lines.  (one of the devices was an improved Thermos Box for keeping Tea or Soup hot for several hours)  Incidentally it was this that caused the enquiry of the British Red Cross, and eventually resulted in my being awarded and invested with the Red Cross Gold Medal for special efficiency.”

p.41 of SR (a typed overview of his service)

AWM Photo – British badges collected by him, Gallipoli: http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/H00358/
AWM Photo c1916: http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C00345/


Living “Ormonde”, 208 The Esplanade, Speer’s Point, NSW in 1930, 1967
Picture of his house: http://www.lakemac.com.au/pagephoto.aspx?&pid=482&vid=17&tmpt=photo&iSID=2580

Lydia d.1959 Boolaroo, NSW – daughter of John William & Elizabeth C

Died 1975 NSW


Letter 1916: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45370871

Northern Times (Newcastle, NSW), Mon 5 Mar 1917:
Married in England
LAKE MACQUARIE SANITARY INSPECTOR
Word has been received to the effect that Corporal William George Hoole, sanitary inspector for the Lake Macquarie Shire, and now a member of the AIF, has been married to Miss Lydia May Parnell, a district nurse, of Andover, Hants, England, whose mother lives at Portsmouth.  The ceremony was performed by Rev W.E. Smith, in the presence of a large assembly, including the comrades of the Australian Sanitary Section, Lieut and Mrs Fletcher, Lieut and Mrs Badgley, Capt Goode, S.M.O., A.I.F., and others.  The bride was given away by her uncle, Mr W. Hatcher, of Foulness Island, Essex.
Corpl Hoole was wounded in Gallipoli, invalided to Malta, again saw active service in Egypt, and then went to England last June as military sanitary inspector in the Australian camp training areas in the Salisbury Plains district.  Whilst in England he took a degree in sanitary science.


A poem by W.G. Hoole – in Appreciation of Miles Franklin:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/107202418

Published a 15 page book in1920: “Sanitation of the A.I.F. Abroad”



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 January 2014, 11:08:20 am
Frev,

Thanks mate you found some interest facts on him, so Lydia was a nurse another for your lists.

By the way, I found Firmin's brother, William 44Bn, but what was his sister doing in the UK, I notice William gives his sister Mrs Christina Skinner as NOK was this lady in the UK?

Todays

FINDLAY   Frank   193   Pte   13 LHR   A Sqn to Dvr 8-15 remain Egypt to 2 Div Cav 3-16 to ASqn/1 Anzac LHR 7-16 to Gnr 2 DAC 11-17 to 10Bty/4 FAB 12-17 WIA 31-3-18 gas reported heavy losses when 10Bty gassed 21-3-18 near Neuve Eglise F&B to admin AIF HQ UK 5-18 married Bessie Bourn at Chelsea UK 10-10-18

and

EASTMENT   Herbert Valentine   199   Cpl   2 VS   to Vet/Sgt 3-16 to HQ/12 FAB (199a) 4-16 att 45Bty/12 FAB 6-16 F&B disch MU rheum married Evelyn Parsons at Pulham UK 25-8-17 AKA Hubert Valentine Eastment

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 January 2014, 09:05:44 am
Frev,

Todays

FORD   Henry Daniel   212   Sgt/Sig   13 LHR   RHQ (G) to 13 LH Dtls Uk 6-16 to 2 Trg Bn UK 9-16 tos BHQ/6Bn 10-16 to BHQ/59Bn 10-16 to AIF depots UK 1-17 to 67Bn Windmill Hill UK 5-17 to 15 Trg Bn UK 1-18 rtn 59Bn 9-18 F&B married Elizabeth Wistrouppe at Codford UK 14-8-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 January 2014, 07:37:47 am
Frev.

Todays (i think given before)?

MAXWELL   William   1783   Pte   13 LHR   9R to 13 LH Dtls UK 9-16 tos CSqn/1 Anzac LHR 1-17 to 13 LHR 1-18 F&B married Clotilde Sinoynet in Longpre Somme France 29-7-19 AKA William Frederic Maxwell

Another of those 13 LHR men who married French girls while waiting to go home.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 22 January 2014, 02:09:54 pm
 Yes Steve - you had already given me William MAXWELL, but all the rest are new, ta.

William wasn't the brother that RTA on the family boat (Megantic) with Stanley FIRMIN - as he RTA on the Pakeha
It was more likely a younger brother & sister, perhaps coming out to Australia for the first time....

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 January 2014, 11:57:52 am
Frev,

Todays I am not sure on where he married?

The first page of his record shows he has married but no where else is that shown, did he marry in the UK or in aussie inbetween his tours?

WADDLE   Victor Roy   2279   Pte   13 LHR   17R to 13 LH Dtls UK 7-17 to AIF depots UK 1-18 disch 15-8-18 MU rheum Ex FCo/6Bn (1021) to BCo 1-15 WIA 8-5-15 R/arm & Leg bomb in attack at 2nd Krithia near Helles (G) disch 24-2-16 possibly married in UK ? later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 January 2014, 12:49:59 pm

Steve - funnily enough, he actually married in 1911 (in Tas) - when he was only 18, and his wife Gertrude 21.  As you're probably aware, many married men enlisted as single men - it seems he was one of those whose wife caught up with him....eventually!!
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 January 2014, 08:47:14 am
Frev,

Todays

SOLLY   Frederick Sidney   2140   Pte   13 LHR   15R to 13 LH Dtls UK 2-17 to Dvr 112Bty/12 FAB (2140a) 1-18 WIA 25-8-18 gas reported during the advance Germans shelled with gas around Harbonnieres to Gnr 45Bty/12 FAB 1-19 F&B married Alice Broughton in Ramsgate UK 29-12-17


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 January 2014, 07:49:32 am
Frev,

Todays

RHODES   Ernest Frederick   1103   Pte   13 LHR   5R Tos 2-16 to 4 Div Cav 3-16 to 2 trg Bn UK 9-16 to 8Bn 10-16 WIA 20-9-17 L/buttock shrapnel at Menin Road att AIF depots UK 12-17 to XXII Corps MR 9-18 rtn 8Bn 9-18 to L/Cpl 10-18 F&B to AProvC London UK 12-18 to E 2/Cpl 3-19 married Kate Connor at Devenport UK 6-5-18 (16 LH CMF 5 years later WWII)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 January 2014, 07:06:18 am
Frev,

You may have this see page 16 this mans file;

List 331 1 MD page 1

RILEY   Frederick Edwin   2089

and todays

STRAFFORD   Robert   1046   Pte   13 LHR   4R To 13 LH Dtls UK 6-16 to 2 Trg Bn UK (8Bn) 9-16 tos 58Bn 10-16 to AIF depots UK 2-17 rtn 8Bn 8-17 WIA 4-9-18 gas in camp near Gailly F&B married Mary Hanrahan at Limerick Ireland 29-4-17 Ex 2R/8 LHR (622) to 4R/9 LHR (835) to 6R/04 LHR to 8R/8 LHR (1062) DNE disch 11-8-15 SNLR


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 January 2014, 03:16:57 pm

Many thanks Steve - these are all new - including the list in RILEY's file  ;)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 February 2014, 08:09:13 am
Frev,

No worries, todays

MILNER   Harold   886   Pte   13 LHR   2R att C Troop CSqn/Comp LHR 11-15 to Dvr 3 sect/2 DAC 3-16 to 104Bty/4 FAB 7-16 to 11Bty/4 FAB 9-16 WIA 11-1-16 R/leg accident old injury F&B to APostC AIF depots UK 2-17 married Hilda Grimmett at Reading UK 12-3-18

and, one I've given before but no name of wife?

SIMMONS   Alan Balmain   1947   Pte   13 LHR   12R to 13 LH Dtls UK 1-17 to L/Cpl AVH Calais 10-17 to Cpl 9-18 to Sgt 10-18 F&B married in UK (BSqn/13 LH CMF 8 months later WWII)

and

DEES   Wilfred Francis   1251   Pte   32Bn   DCo to ASqn/10 LHR (1251a) 4-16 att Aust MD HQ 6-18 rtn 8-18 to NME UK motors married Frances Allen in Poole UK 31-8-19 brother Hubert 10 LHR


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 February 2014, 07:43:27 am
Frev,

Todays

O'CALLAGHAN   Stephen   389   Sig   13 LHR   RHQ to B Sqn 8-15 Tos 11-15 (G) to 4 Div Cav 5-16 to 4 DBD 10-16 to BSqn/1 Anzac LHR 11-16 T/att APM 1 Div 3-17 to 39Bn 10-17 F&B to NME UK motor married Elizabeth Hurley in Killarney Ireland 19-8-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 February 2014, 07:40:04 am
Frev,

Todays

SMITH   Roy Leland Pilgrim   1502   Pte   03 LHR   11R tos A Sqn 12-15 att WFF to trade test 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 11-16 to Cook 2/AM 68 Sqn (2 Sqn) AFC 1-17 to Sailmaker 6-17 to 30 Trg Sqn AFC UK 11-17 to 6 Trg Sqn AFC UK 7-18 married Annie Walkley at Stroud UK 22-1-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 05 February 2014, 01:17:21 pm

Steve - of the latest additions, DEES & SMITH are new ta.
Unfortunately, I never found the marriage for SIMMONS and couldn't establish his wife's name.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 February 2014, 08:38:52 am
Frev,

Todays

TRIFFITT   Melton   1559   Pte   03 LHR   11R DNE to 13R 2-16 relist 2R/46Bn (1883) to 12 Trg Bn UK 6-16 tos 59Bn 11-16 att fettler 17 ALROC 1-17 rtn 5-17 WIA 26-9-17 L/arm shrapnel at Polygon Wood to AIF depot UK 10-17 rtn 1 MG Bn 10-18 F&B married Rosina Sarney at Uxbridge UK 3-12-17 (ECo/93 IR CMF 2 years) AKA Asia Melton Triffitt

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 February 2014, 09:22:07 am
Frev,

Todays

TAYLOR   James Cyril   1659   Pte   03 LHR   12R to AATD UK 6-16 to Gnr 5 DAC 10-16 to Dvr 10-17 to 54Bty/14 FAB 12-17 to 3 FCE 9-18 F&B married Jessie Llyod at Brentford UK 16-2-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 February 2014, 06:56:20 am
Frev,

Todays, showns married on enlist to Vera but she deserted him, and he remarried in UK to Amelia. Theres only a change of NOK, but little else?

NORMAN   Arthur   1723   Pte   03 LHR   12R tos Gnr 4 DAC 4-16 FGCM 24-5-17 AWoL sentenced 2 years HL WIA 9-6-17 shell shock mental reported as a result of his capture sentenced suspended 7-17 F&B to AIF depots UK 9-17 disch 18-7-18 MU married Amelia in London UK rtn to UK in 1920

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 February 2014, 09:13:47 am
Frev,

Interesting one, no record of a marrage but a letter from his mother (alice) requesting passage for his wife from the UK?

SKITCH   Cecil Ernest Lee   1893   Pte   03 LHR   13R to AATD UK 6-16 to clerk HQ AIF depots UK 8-16 to records sect AIF HQ London 2-17 to ER Cpl 8-17 to ER Sgt 11-17 disch 27-9-18 MU married in UK author "Woman's Destiny and Birth Control" 1928

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 February 2014, 07:28:33 am
Frev,

Todays

SCHULTZ   Harry Gawler   2065   Pte   03 LHR   14R tos Gnr 2 Sect/4 DAC (2065a) 4-16 to V4A HMTB 5-17 to 111Bty/11 FAB 12-17 F&B married Margaret Dungan at North Leith Scotland 3-5-19 (17 LH to BSqn/24 LH CMF 2 years)

also

His older man married this very young girl, but what makes this interesting is how did they meet to marry on Jersey?

MANHOOD   John   2041   Pte   03 LHR   14R tos Dvr 2 scet/4 DAC 4-16 F&B to NME UK farming married May Stopher at St Hellier Jersey 3-8-19 (16 LH SAMR CMF 3 years)


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 February 2014, 07:01:03 am
Frev,

Todays

STOW   Horace Roy   2072   Pte   03 LHR   14R tos Dvr/Sig HQ/5 DAC 4-16 to Gnr 12-16 F&B married ammo worker Annie MacGregor at Kelvin Glasgow Scotland 27-1-19 (CMF 4 years later WWII )

and

Not sure on the wifes details?

BARROW   Geoffrey Earle   5042   L/Cpl   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC to Cpl 2-15 prom 2/Lt 1-16 to 7Co AASC 4 Div Trn 4-16 to 25 BAC 4-16 to 115Bty/25 FAB 5-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 7-16 to 5 DAC 4-17 att 15 Bde HQ 6-17 rtn 8-17 to Adjt HQ/5 DAC 3-18 F&B to AIF depots UK 9-18 married Alice at Burton on Trent UK 19-8-18 later WWII Capt 22 FAB


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 February 2014, 07:56:21 am
Frev,

Todays

O'NEILL   Terence Joseph   2205   Pte   03 LHR   15R to AATD UK 6-16 to Gnr 116Bty/21 FAB Boyton UK 10-16 to RBAA UK 2-17 married Florence Farrow at St Giles London UK 5-1-17

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 February 2014, 01:48:51 pm

Steve - you have been busy!!
Thanks for all these - all new except for SCHULTZ & MANHOOD.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 February 2014, 01:51:22 pm
Frev,

Todays, showns married on enlist to Vera but she deserted him, and he remarried in UK to Amelia. Theres only a change of NOK, but little else?

NORMAN   Arthur   1723   Pte   03 LHR   12R tos Gnr 4 DAC 4-16 FGCM 24-5-17 AWoL sentenced 2 years HL WIA 9-6-17 shell shock mental reported as a result of his capture sentenced suspended 7-17 F&B to AIF depots UK 9-17 disch 18-7-18 MU married Amelia in London UK rtn to UK in 1920

S.B



Arthur NORMAN married Amelia Ada HERD 24/10/1916 at St Matthew’s Church, Islington, London
[not sure if he was legally married to Vera - or if so - divorced!!]


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 February 2014, 01:53:33 pm
Frev,

Interesting one, no record of a marrage but a letter from his mother (alice) requesting passage for his wife from the UK?

SKITCH   Cecil Ernest Lee   1893   Pte   03 LHR   13R to AATD UK 6-16 to clerk HQ AIF depots UK 8-16 to records sect AIF HQ London 2-17 to ER Cpl 8-17 to ER Sgt 11-17 disch 27-9-18 MU married in UK author "Woman's Destiny and Birth Control" 1928

Cheers

S.B

Cecil SKITCH married Marie Elizabeth CROFT 29/9/1917 at St Faith's Church, Stoke Newington, London




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 February 2014, 01:58:48 pm

His older man married this very young girl, but what makes this interesting is how did they meet to marry on Jersey?

MANHOOD   John   2041   Pte   03 LHR   14R tos Dvr 2 scet/4 DAC 4-16 F&B to NME UK farming married May Stopher at St Hellier Jersey 3-8-19 (16 LH SAMR CMF 3 years)


Steve - John MANHOOD was granted Leave 22/4/1919 - 22/7/1919 to carry out farming at St Helier, Jersey.  I assume the men doing this were gaining experience in how it was done on Jersey.  I already have a few that did the same thing & brought a Jersey wife home with them!!
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 February 2014, 02:01:47 pm

Not sure on the wifes details?

BARROW   Geoffrey Earle   5042   L/Cpl   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC to Cpl 2-15 prom 2/Lt 1-16 to 7Co AASC 4 Div Trn 4-16 to 25 BAC 4-16 to 115Bty/25 FAB 5-16 to 114Bty/14 FAB 7-16 to 5 DAC 4-17 att 15 Bde HQ 6-17 rtn 8-17 to Adjt HQ/5 DAC 3-18 F&B to AIF depots UK 9-18 married Alice at Burton on Trent UK 19-8-18 later WWII Capt 22 FAB


Geoffrey BARROW married Alice Mary LAMBRICK in the Sept Qtr of 1918 at Burton, Staffordshire, England.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 February 2014, 01:52:42 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays another married in Egypt, no details?

GOODE   Norman Arthur William    565   Pte   17Bn   BCo WIA 3-9-15 head & Leg bomb possibly in fighting at Hill 60 (G) to T/RSM daftsman Map sect Egyptian War office 6-16 to Survey Co RE AIF HQ Egypt 1-17 to ER/Wo1 4-18 married Evelyn in Cairo Egypt AKA Norman Arthur Goode (CMF 3 years)

and. the name is a guest as its hard to read?

FENECH   Michael   547   Pte   AAMC   enlisted in Egypt to Cook Cpl 2 LHFA 2-15 (G) to Anzac Police AProvC 4-16 rtn 7-16 to 1 LHFA 8-16 to 4 LHFA 2-17 to Cook Cpl 5-17 to 2 ASH 3-18 to 14 AGH 4-19 married Elvina in Alexandria Egypt

and,

FARMILOE   Geoffrey Somerset Sharp   8520   Pte   1 AGH   13R tos Medic Orderly RHQ/12 LHR 3-16 to Medic Orderly Cpl A Sqn 2-17 (B) to 14 AGH 2-18 to T/Sgt 11-18 to NME UK Accountancy married Edith Fry at Caincross UK 18-8-19 AKA Farmitive (CMF 9 months)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 February 2014, 07:58:27 am
Frev,

Todays

HAYMAN   Charles Francis   1342   Pte   03 LHR   10R tos A Sqn 11-15 (G) att WFF WIA 4-8-16 R/Leg shot in fighting around Mount Meredith at Romani to 14 AGH 3-17 rtn 4-17 to UK leave married Elizabeth Russell at Cambuslang Scotland 10-5-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 19 February 2014, 07:11:08 am
Frev,

I am unsure if I.ve given this bloke, but do you have her name?

BURT   John Edward   1429   Pte   03 LHR   11R tos B Sqn 12-15 att WFF to AAOC AIF depots UK 9-16 married Ethel in UK 2-9-18 died of TB at Bedford Park Hosp buried West Terrace Cemetery Adelaide SA (CMF 1 year)

and

EDWARDS   John Henry   1447   Pte   03 LHR   11R tos Spr 13 FCE 3-16 to 1 Anzac Wls Sect 10-16 to Aust Corps Sig Co 4-18 F&B to NME UK cabinet making married Annie Everall in Chester UK 19-9-17

and

FORREST   Harold Smith   2644   Pte   03 LHR   11R Tos 12-15 att WFF WIA 17-5-16 R/knee accident RTA MU cartilage relist 6R/43Bn (R2644) to 2 trg Bn UK 2-17 to 11 Trg Bn UK 3-17 to AIF depots UK 12-17 to APayC London UK 4-18 to NME UK married Charlotte Cooke-Dyer at Kennsington UK 9-11-18 later WWII


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 February 2014, 09:17:16 am
Frev,

List 401 1 MD on page 10 this mans file

JURY   Edward Allan   1869


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 February 2014, 07:55:41 am
Frev,

Unsure on this one?

His B 103 shows a change to married, but no details I could see to who that maybe?

ANDREWS   Alfred George   1837   Pte   03 LHR   13R tos Dvr 2 Sect/4 DAC 4-16 to Bdr 3-18 F&B married in UK?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: iveco303 on 24 February 2014, 11:18:29 pm
Frev, Found this chap. No.743 Robinson. Duncan Ernest. 10th.Light Horse married Alice Martha Perrot in France whilst on leave. Alice's address was 27 Boulevard Haufomann, Paris. Phil.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 February 2014, 08:44:27 am
Mate,

I gave Frev this man some time ago.

ROBINSON   Duncan Ernest   743   Pte   10 LHR   2R remain Egypt to records sect 3rd Ech AIF HQ 8-15 to records sect 3rd Ech GHQ Rouen 3-16 to T/Cpl 10-16 to ER Cpl 7-17 to ER L/Sgt 10-18 F&B married Alice Perrot at Paris France 16-3-18 died 10-8-42 of TB from War Service

He is one of a number of rare marrages to French girls over there.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 25 February 2014, 11:18:59 am

Thanks Phil, but as Steve noted he'd already passed this one on to me...

Thanks Steve - the majority of those you've added are new - as is the list in JURY's file.

Michael FENECH married Elvira (an Italian lady) - but I haven't found anything else on them (as an interesting aside, it's highly likely that Michael is related in some way to Jeff Fenech, as his ancestry is also from Malta)

John Edward BURT married Ethel LITTLE

Alfred George ANDREWS actually married in Australia before sailing


Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 28 February 2014, 09:29:15 am
Frev,

Not many married men showing up lately but this bloke;

GORDON   Lionel Harrison Rankin      2/Lt   03 LHR   16R tos C Sqn 6-16 to 4 DAC 5-17 to 111Bty/11 FAB 9-17 WIA 21-10-17 laryngitis or gas at Passchendaele to orderly officer HQ/1 FAB 1-18 MC - for his actions as a FOO at Bellicourt 29-9-18 F&B to education service 2-19 married Margaret Jenkins at Llansamlese Wales 10-7-19 Ex Sgt LH depot prom 2/Lt 3-3-16

cheer

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 March 2014, 07:30:42 am
Frev,

Todays

GEERE   Alexander John Elijah   1183   Pte   03 LHR   8R Tos A Sqn 11-15 (G) att WFF to L/Cpl 4 Pnr Bn 5-16 WIA 5-4-18 buttock shrapnel reported 3 killed and 29 wounded when shelled in camp near Dernancourt F&B married Grace Scott in Southwark UK 22-10-18 (ASqn/24 LH CMF 7 months later WWII WO1 RAE to Lt Indian Army)

And this file for list 352 3 MD see page 20

CURRY   Patrick   1177

I have thought this bloke married overseas but its an old marrage that was reconized during the war. see page 31 for some details.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 March 2014, 07:35:48 am
Frev,

List 401 3 MD see page 7 of this mans file,

LOCKWOOD   Halford John   1101

and

Not sure about this list but lists some married men; see page 12

HOWIE   Frederick Charles   1024

As stated not many married men showing up but this man did;

DYMOND   Lewis   1021   Pte   03 LHR   6R Tos RHQ 9-15 to 1 LH Bde HQ (48) 10-15 (G) to 13 FCE 3-16 to Dvr 1-18 WIA 27-3-18 L/side shot reported 13 FCE att 13 Bde during fighting around Dernancourt F&B married Leah Corrall at Birmingham UK 22-8-17 (British 1/5Bn The Royal Warwickshire Regt 5 years)



S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 March 2014, 08:48:20 am
Frev,

Todays

ARCHER   Stanley Gordon   2   Pte   1 Remts   1 Sqn to AIF HQ London UK 8-16 to Dvr 3 Div HQ 8-16 to 3 DAC 11-16 F&B disch 28-10-18 MU R/ankle married Agnes Langford at Radipole UK 22-8-18


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 March 2014, 01:53:48 pm
Thanks Steve

3 of the 4 men you listed are new - and the list in CURRY's file is also new (another great find!)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 March 2014, 06:22:58 am
Frev,

Todays another list, 352 3MD see page 26

EDWARDS   Robert Shakel   940

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 March 2014, 07:32:03 am
Frev,

Again no marrages. But this one maybe of interest?

BUTLER   Charles Morton   363   Pte   03 LHR   C Sqn WIA 14-5-15 L/Leg shot reported in camp behind Johnson's Jolly (G) disch 25-10-16 MU enteric fiancee Miss Maud Fouracre (91 IR to LH CMF 4 years)


There is a document (unopened) at the ANA which shows he brought out fiancee Miss Maud Fouracre in 1920.

This would seam strange as how did he meet her (if french possibly Egypt)?

One to check out

Todays

BEVAN   Thomas George   369   Pte   03 LHR   C Sqn (G) att WFF att AIF depots UK 8-16 rtn 5-18 married Isabel Freeman in Wandsworth UK 22-7-16 (British 1/16th (County of London) Battalion (Queen's Westminster Rifles) TF 3 years & United Provinces Horse in India 1 year) born Darjeeling India


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 March 2014, 09:18:26 am
Frev,

Another strange one, shown married to Jean iin Glasgow but her last address was in Australia?

DAVIS   Cecil Harold   395   Pte   03 LHR   C Sqn (G) to 3 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to DCo/12Bn 10-16 F&B killed at Lagnicourt NKG listed on Villers Bretonneux Memorial France married Jean in Glasgow Scotland 5-5-16 (Boer War 8 Cont NZMR N/R?)  AKA Cecil Howard Davis

For your special touch

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 March 2014, 05:25:40 pm
Frev,

Todays

MUNN   Orlando John   2051   Pte   01 LHR   14R tos Dvr 3 sect/5 DAC 4-16 to Gnr X5A MTMB 8-16 WIA 30-1-17 L/arm shrapnel reported 3 killed and 12 wounded around Gueudecourt at Flers rtn 6-17 WIA 17-7-17 L/shoulder & both hands shrapnel reported 2 wounded and 9 gassed in line near Messines rtn 10-17 to 5 DTMB 1-18 F&B married Ellen Parker at Wimborne Dorset UK 12-2-19 Ex 13R/01 LHR (1960) DNE later WWII Pte 16 Garr Bn

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 March 2014, 01:56:00 pm

First of all - HAPPY BIRTHDAY STEVE  - hope you're having a great day!!


And thanks as always for the latest additions - all are new, including the list in Robert Edward's file - brilliant!

Cheers, Frev



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 March 2014, 01:59:46 pm

Again no marrages. But this one maybe of interest?

BUTLER   Charles Morton   363   Pte   03 LHR   C Sqn WIA 14-5-15 L/Leg shot reported in camp behind Johnson's Jolly (G) disch 25-10-16 MU enteric fiancee Miss Maud Fouracre (91 IR to LH CMF 4 years)


There is a document (unopened) at the ANA which shows he brought out fiancee Miss Maud Fouracre in 1920.

This would seam strange as how did he meet her (if french possibly Egypt)?

One to check out



Steve - it's more than likely that they met while he was in hospital in England 28/11/15 - 24/6/16 with Enteric fever.

Maud never actually came out to Australia - he applied for her passage in 1918, and later cancelled it, as she refused to come out. 

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 20 March 2014, 02:11:05 pm

Another strange one, shown married to Jean iin Glasgow but her last address was in Australia?

DAVIS   Cecil Harold   395   Pte   03 LHR   C Sqn (G) to 3 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to DCo/12Bn 10-16 F&B killed at Lagnicourt NKG listed on Villers Bretonneux Memorial France married Jean in Glasgow Scotland 5-5-16 (Boer War 8 Cont NZMR N/R?)  AKA Cecil Howard Davis

For your special touch


Steve - Haven't been able to establish whether Jean was an Aussie he met in the UK, or whether she was Scottish - either way, she chose to come to Australia (free passage, after his death) in 1919 (on the Zealandic).

She re-married here in 1922 to Arthur AGGER (ex Pte 2776, 59th Bn).  Arthur died in 1941 & I can't find any further trace of Jean after 1942.  She may have re-married, she may have gone back to Scotland, she may have........

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 March 2014, 09:05:28 am
Frev,

Thankyou , had a nice day with my sister up here.

I've since found some extra details on Cecil Davis thanks to Colin;

DAVIS   Cecil Harold   395   Pte   03 LHR   C Sqn (G) to 3 Trg Bn UK 9-16 to DCo/12Bn 10-16 F&B killed at Lagnicourt NKG listed on Villers Bretonneux Memorial France married Jean in Glasgow Scotland 5-5-16 (Boer War ESqn/8Cont NZMR (5650) AKA Cecil Harold David)  AKA Cecil Howard Davis

Todays

Another of these ladies in the QMAAC married in France.

ANDREWS   James Frederick   3   CQMS   1 LH Bde Trn   (5Co AASC) remain Egypt? to RQMS 9-15 prom 2/Lt 24 D/US 3-16 F&B to NME UK 10-19 married Letitia Allison QMAAC in Boulogne France 1-1-19 (AASC CMF 12 years)

and

KING   Thomas   5234   Pte   Field Butchery & Bakery   (13Co AASC) (G) to 1st Field Bakery 10-16 to Cpl 2-17 to T/Sgt 9-18 F&B to AIF depots UK 2-19 married Susan Kensit at Westminster UK 28-2-18 (MG Sect/22 LH CMF 3 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 March 2014, 08:21:29 am
Frev,

Todays one I've given before?

DAVIES   Edward Walker   125   Pte   03 LHR   A Sqn to L/Cpl 5-15 (G) to Cpl 1-16 att WFF to T/SSM C Sqn 9-16 att T/RSM 1 LHTR 2-17 to A/Sgt 2-17 rtn A Sqn? revert Cpl 8-17 to Sgt A Sqn? 7-18 to NME UK farming married Margaret Williams in Conway UK 17-9-19 AKA Edward Watkin Davies

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 March 2014, 07:44:50 am
Frev,

Todays

HERKES   Herbert Damen   144   Pte   03 LHR   A Sqn att 1 LH Sig Troop 9-15 (G) to Dvr 5-16 to Pnr Trg Bn UK 8-16 to Spr 1 Div Sig Co 4-17 WIA 29-10-17 gas reported heavy losses to gas at Passchendaele F&B married Mavis Warren at London UK 13-3-18 (23 LH to 34Bty CMF)

and another from the Chelsea AMTS,

LEE   Walter Robert   159   Pte   03 LHR   A Sqn (G) to LH Dtls UK 6-16 to Dvr MT AMTS AASC Chelsea UK 9-16 to A/Cpl 11-17 to Sgt 6-19 married Amelia Protheroe at Weymouth UK 8-8-17

and, this bloke maybe of interest, during a check with Irish mates he informed me that he married a London Girl in 1921;

BREARE   John Curtis   254   Pte   03 LHR   B Sqn deserted in Egypt 11-2-15 (relist British Gnr 161 Yorks Bde RFA 5-15 deserted 19-6-16) handed himself in FGCM 6-12-16 fined 667 days pay tos 4 trg Bn UK 4-17 FGCM 24-12-17 recieving money by deception sentenced 9 months Detn at Lewes and fined 396 days pay Tos 14Bn 4-18 WIA 9-6-18 L/Leg shot reported one wounded in the line near Corbie F&B disch relist Royal Irish Constabulary (81797) 21-6-21 served at Limerick Ireland married Feb 1921 later rtn to Australia (British The West Yorkshire Regt 4 years)

Can you find who the girl is?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 March 2014, 07:29:15 am
Frev,

Todays, not much details?

COX   Harold George   56   Pte   03 LHR   MG Sect to L/Cpl 3-15 to Cpl 5-15 (G) to Abbey Wood UK 5-16 reduced Pte 5-16 to 50Bn 10-16 WIA 10-10-17 R/hand shrapnel at Passchendaele rtn 9-18 F&B married Gwendoline in Pimlico Wales (CMF 2 years) brother AV Cox

and

HOLLAND   Henry James   5608   Pte   28Bn   15R to 7 Trg Bn UK 12-16 Tos 6-17 WIA 11-8-18 thigh & foot shot reported 9 killed and 71 wounded during advance near Harbonnieres F&B to AIF depots UK 2-19 to ER Cpl 7-19 to ER Sgt 9-19 married Mary Moody at East Ham UK 27-12-19 (CSqn/25 LH CMF)

and

HARRISON   Harold Maurice   5977   Pte   4 LH Bde Trn   (14Co AASC) relist (9006) 20Co 2 Div Trn 8-15 to L/Cpl 12-15 (G) to SQMS 3-16 prom 2/Lt 1-17 att AIF depots UK 7-17 rtn 12-17 att 16Co 9-18 to 15Co 11-18 MID - reason not stated F&B to war records Sect London 6-19 married Moria Barker at Hull UK 16-4-18 (British RGA 4 years) later WWII

and

COBB   Herbert   6552   Pte   6 FAmb   7R tos 3 AGH 2-16 RTA on duty relist AAMC Dtls to Parkhouse camp UK 11-16 to 3 AGH 4-17 to 13 FAmb 4-18 WIA 8-6-18 gas reported four gassed and 1 wounded by shell near Querrieu F&B to AIF HQ London UK 1-19 to ER Cpl 5-19 married Edith Cooper in Croydon UK 27-1-17

and

BRENT   Charles Reginald   6228   Pte   8Bn   20R to 2 Trg Bn UK 10-16 Tos 12-16 WIA 19-3-18 L/arm shrapnel reported during work parties around Ridgewood camp near Norbecourt F&B married Violet Brister at Salford UK 6-8-18  (19 LH CMF 2 years)


Cheers

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 March 2014, 08:31:54 am
Frev,

Todays

SHIRLOCK   Benjamin   1114   Pte   03 LHR   7R remain Egypt tos Dvr 2 Sect/2 DAC 3-16 to 9Bty/3 FAB 4-16 F&B to AIF depot UK 3-18 married ammo worker Winifred Humphreys at Redruth UK 15-1-19 AKA Benjamin Sherlock

and

OBORN   Herbert Russell      Lt   03 LHR   6R tos A Sqn 9-15 (G) att WFF to B Sqn WIA 1-6-16 thigh bomb reported 5 killed and 21 wounded when bombed in air attack at Hod el Debabis near Romani rtn 8-16 to CSqn/1 LHTR 12-16 to AIF HQ Records Sect 5-17 rtn 1 LHTR 2-18 to AAAMC Trg Unit 7-18 disch 19-10-18 MU married Isabel Steam at Alexandria Egypt 14-11-16 (Pte 1905 prom 2/Lt A Troop BSqn 1913 to Lt 1-7-15 CMF)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 March 2014, 01:15:08 pm

Ta Steve - these are all new, except for DAVIES, LEE, HOLLAND & HARRISON.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 March 2014, 01:17:48 pm

and, this bloke maybe of interest, during a check with Irish mates he informed me that he married a London Girl in 1921;

BREARE   John Curtis   254   Pte   03 LHR   B Sqn deserted in Egypt 11-2-15 (relist British Gnr 161 Yorks Bde RFA 5-15 deserted 19-6-16) handed himself in FGCM 6-12-16 fined 667 days pay tos 4 trg Bn UK 4-17 FGCM 24-12-17 recieving money by deception sentenced 9 months Detn at Lewes and fined 396 days pay Tos 14Bn 4-18 WIA 9-6-18 L/Leg shot reported one wounded in the line near Corbie F&B disch relist Royal Irish Constabulary (81797) 21-6-21 served at Limerick Ireland married Feb 1921 later rtn to Australia (British The West Yorkshire Regt 4 years)

Can you find who the girl is?


Steve - according to a Breare Family Tree (on-line), he married Annie Dorothy NEWBOLD 12/2/1921, & they had 4 children.  He died 18/4/1956 in Adelaide.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 March 2014, 01:25:26 pm

Todays, not much details?

COX   Harold George   56   Pte   03 LHR   MG Sect to L/Cpl 3-15 to Cpl 5-15 (G) to Abbey Wood UK 5-16 reduced Pte 5-16 to 50Bn 10-16 WIA 10-10-17 R/hand shrapnel at Passchendaele rtn 9-18 F&B married Gwendoline in Pimlico Wales (CMF 2 years) brother AV Cox


You must have missed it! There is a marriage certificate in his service record (p.65)
He married Julie Georgina Gwendolyn SCOTT (a 31 year old Widow, nee GOODING) on the 1/8/1916 at St Gabriel's Church, Pimlico, London (he was 22)

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 April 2014, 08:57:52 am
Frev

Todays another Provo Corps soldier;

PRITCHARD   Noel Philip    917   Pte   03 LHR   4R tos C Sqn 8-15 (G) to AProvC Tidworth UK 7-16 to 4 Div HQ 6-18 WIA 16-8-18 L/leg shrapnel reported shelled by HV Gun at Villers Bretonneux F&B died at 12 FAmb buried Adelaide Cemetery Villers Bretonneux France married Lilian Beament at Poole UK 15-10-17 AKA Philip Noel Pritchard

I am just confirming with Trev on how he was wounded and died.

and

"Saving Pte Pearce"

While not married, I found this sad case and wondered if you had anything on it. its the first case I've seen of the "Saving Pvte Ryan" in our Army, there are a number of letters relating to tryin gto save another brother Carl in the Camel Corps but they arrived to late as Carl was killed at Amman with the 1Bn 4th Company ICC, that left only Edward in the 51Bn who was wounded so they got him out of there back home. Would make a nice articale for the FFFAIF.

PEARCE   Edward James   826   Pte   03 LHR   3R tos C Sqn 4-15 (G) to 4 Trg Bn (12Bn) UK 9-16 to 51Bn 10-16 WIA 16-10-17 gas mustard reported at Passchendaele rtn Cpl 4-18 WIA 24-4-18 R/thigh shot reported during counterattack around Villers Bretonneux F&B disch 3-12-18 reported disch due to the loss of all his brothers during the war. five brothers in AIF Carl ICC KIA, Stanley 5Bn KIA and two others killed

PEARCE   Carl   488   Pte   Labourer age 23 Auburn Vic Enl 11-9-14 Emb DCo/14Bn. Evac 2-8-15 (diarrhoea) rtn 27-10-15 Gallipoli. 1Bn 3Co 25-1-16 to hosp 20-12-16 (scabies) to 1Bn 4Co 13-1-17 KIA 30-3-18 Amman killed during fighting at Amman NKG. Listed on Jerusalem War Memorial. (see attempts to save is life after his brothers were killed in France, but arrvied to late and only Edward returned home). Brothers Edward 3 LHR and Stanley 5Bn KIA and two others killed

Cheers

S.B



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 April 2014, 08:14:43 am
Frev,

Todays

SANDFORD   Frank   762   Pte   03 LHR   3R Tos A Sqn 4-15 (G) to MMP 4 Div HQ 3-16 to AProvC 5 Div HQ 3-16 to MMP Tidworth UK 7-17 to LH Dtls UK 5-18 to 13 LHR (761) 6-18 F&B married Alice Burridge at Chelsea UK 8-2-19 Ex 03 LHR (190) DNE relist (Boer War 4 SAIB (161) and DSqn/2 ACH (1032) AKA John Edgar Frank Sandford

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 April 2014, 09:57:32 am
Frev

Todays I may have given before?

MURPHY   Clarence Robert   518   Pte   03 LHR   B Sqn to Cpl 2-15 to L/Sgt 2-15 to S/Sgt 5-15 to Wo2 Kit stores AIF HQ 6-15 remain Egypt to Kit stores AIF depots UK 9-16 prom Hon/2/Lt QM 1-17 recom MM awarded MSM - for services to date during war Jan 1917 & brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services prom Hon/Capt QM Kit stores AIF depots UK 1-18 MBE - reason not stated brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services married Mona Harvey in Kingston UK 26-4-19 later worked on railways in the USA brothers Reginald OBE Capt 10Bn and Raymond CPO RAN

and

STANDEN   Frederick Samuel   4001   Pte   16Bn   12R Tos 48Bn 3-16 WIA 11-8-16 shell shock reported in reserve near Warloy or possibly from the fighting at Pozieres F&B to AIF depots UK 11-16 to 6 MVS 6-18 married Lynda Oakley in Hyde UK 21-4-17

Shows married inbetween trips, but no details othe the Helen from Winchester UK

SCOTT   Walter Francis   4000   Pte   13Bn   12R to T/CSM CTC 3-16 rtn to unit striking a native driver to 9 Trg Bn UK 9-16 Tos CSM 13Bn 10-16 disch 1-8-17 MU relist AAMC No 2 Sect Sea Transport Service (20095) married Helen in UK? AKA Wilbur Francis Scott (British The Rifle Bde 14 years) born Secunderabad India

cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 05 April 2014, 09:28:06 am
Frev,

Todays

ROENNFELDT   Frank Bertram   339   Pte   03 LHR   B Sqn to MG Sect (9-15) (G) to Sad/Cpl 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 F&B to AIF depots UK 1-17 disch MU loss of L/eye married Doris Puddifoot in St Giles UK 28-7-17 AKA Reonnfeldt (17 LH to MG Sect CMF 4 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 April 2014, 04:08:46 pm
Frev,

Todays

KEY   David Lewis    2226   Pte   5 Pnr Bn   3R Tos DCo 1-17 WIA 13-3-17 L/hand shrapnel reported working on the Needle dump near Ginchy WIA 29-9-18 gas reported 19 men gassed in fighting around Bellicourt F&B to NME UK married aussie girl Linda Milnes at Dundee Scotland 28-6-19 (24 LH CMF 3 months)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 April 2014, 08:26:28 am
Frev,

Todays

TAPLIN   Lansley Edison   198   Pte   03 LHR   A Sqn to (CIB) AIF HQ Egypt 4-15 to Sgt 6-15 remain Egypt to S/Sgt 1-16 to Wo2 5-16 recom MSM - for his work at AIF HQ prom Hon 2/Lt QM (CIB) AIF HQ UK 1-17 prom Hon Capt QM 1-18 married Evelyn Dovington at London UK 16-4-18 disch 1-11-18 MU brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services (23 LH CMF 3 years)

I had the term CIB in my data base but a check of his record couldn't find the reason I did that?

and, for interest;

This bloke throw me for a second when he showed single at first but later married, it appears he was another one that left aussie to esacpe from wife, but she found him?

TYLER   Thomas Frederick   202   Cpl   03 LHR   A Sqn (G) disch MU epilespy  (CMF 3 years)


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 April 2014, 10:21:05 pm

"Saving Pte Pearce"

While not married, I found this sad case and wondered if you had anything on it. its the first case I've seen of the "Saving Pvte Ryan" in our Army, there are a number of letters relating to tryin gto save another brother Carl in the Camel Corps but they arrived to late as Carl was killed at Amman with the 1Bn 4th Company ICC, that left only Edward in the 51Bn who was wounded so they got him out of there back home. Would make a nice articale for the FFFAIF.

PEARCE   Edward James   826   Pte   03 LHR   3R tos C Sqn 4-15 (G) to 4 Trg Bn (12Bn) UK 9-16 to 51Bn 10-16 WIA 16-10-17 gas mustard reported at Passchendaele rtn Cpl 4-18 WIA 24-4-18 R/thigh shot reported during counterattack around Villers Bretonneux F&B disch 3-12-18 reported disch due to the loss of all his brothers during the war. five brothers in AIF Carl ICC KIA, Stanley 5Bn KIA and two others killed

PEARCE   Carl   488   Pte   Labourer age 23 Auburn Vic Enl 11-9-14 Emb DCo/14Bn. Evac 2-8-15 (diarrhoea) rtn 27-10-15 Gallipoli. 1Bn 3Co 25-1-16 to hosp 20-12-16 (scabies) to 1Bn 4Co 13-1-17 KIA 30-3-18 Amman killed during fighting at Amman NKG. Listed on Jerusalem War Memorial. (see attempts to save is life after his brothers were killed in France, but arrvied to late and only Edward returned home). Brothers Edward 3 LHR and Stanley 5Bn KIA and two others killed


Steve - I agree this would make a great article for "Digger" - so I reckon YOU ought to write it!!   ;)
[I already have too many half-finished stories waiting in the wings  :D]


Thanks for all the latest additions - the majority being new to the database.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 April 2014, 10:24:11 pm

Shows married inbetween trips, but no details othe the Helen from Winchester UK

SCOTT   Walter Francis   4000   Pte   13Bn   12R to T/CSM CTC 3-16 rtn to unit striking a native driver to 9 Trg Bn UK 9-16 Tos CSM 13Bn 10-16 disch 1-8-17 MU relist AAMC No 2 Sect Sea Transport Service (20095) married Helen in UK? AKA Wilbur Francis Scott (British The Rifle Bde 14 years) born Secunderabad India


Wilbur Francis SCOTT married Helen Forbes Sinclair SCOTT in 1917 in Katoomba, NSW
[so not married overseas!]


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 09 April 2014, 10:44:36 pm

TAPLIN   Lansley Edison   198   Pte   03 LHR   A Sqn to (CIB) AIF HQ Egypt 4-15 to Sgt 6-15 remain Egypt to S/Sgt 1-16 to Wo2 5-16 recom MSM - for his work at AIF HQ prom Hon 2/Lt QM (CIB) AIF HQ UK 1-17 prom Hon Capt QM 1-18 married Evelyn Dovington at London UK 16-4-18 disch 1-11-18 MU brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services (23 LH CMF 3 years)


Lansley (Lance) Edison Rabbich TAPLIN married Evelyn Beatrice (Trixie) DORRINGTON on the 18/10/1916 at St Barnabas Church, Kensington, London.

She was an Australian nurse (also from Sth Australia); but didn't serve overseas, and only arrived in England the day before the wedding, so obviously went over specifically to marry.  Her sister Amy served in the AANS & another sister Louise served in the FFNC (French).  Amy died in a car accident in 1934; so the Dorrington sisters are spread across quite a few of my databases!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 April 2014, 02:07:24 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate

Todays , no details

BENNETH   Peter   428   Pte   2 VS   3R remain Egypt to Vet/Sgt 12 Bde HQ 3-16 F&B to NME UK motors married Nellie in UK AKA Peter Bennett


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 April 2014, 07:56:43 am
Frev

Todays, no details on wife?

FOY   Dudley Samuel   120   Pte   9 LHR   A Sqn (G) to Cyc Trg Unit UK 8-16 to A/Sgt 11-16 to 24 MG Co (4 Div MG Co) UK 5-17 disch MU in UK married in UK

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 April 2014, 07:58:30 am
Frev,

Todays

CUNNINGHAM   Norman Douglas   538   Pte   9 LHR   A Sqn Tos 8-15 (G) to AIF depots UK 6-16 to 1 MG Co 1 MG Bn 4-18 WIA 27-9-18 minor reported in camp near Longpre F&B rtn L/Cpl AIF depots UK 1-19 to ER 2/Cpl 3-19 to ER Cpl 9-19 married Doris Price at Hampstead UK 14-10-19


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 12 April 2014, 03:35:36 pm

Ta Steve - all three are new to the database.

Peter BENNETT married Nellie HOWELL in the Sept Qtr 1917 Reigate, Surrey, England

Dudley Samuel FOY married Vera Phyllis JONES in the Dec Qtr 1917 Weymouth, Dorset, England
Their daughter Beryl T. was born in the Mar Qtr 1919 Swindon, Wiltshire - and all 3 RTA together on the Osterley 24/1/1920

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 16 April 2014, 03:16:31 pm
Frev,

This though me but can you sort it out?

Shows single but later changed as wife and child claim his medals, was he married before the war (as her name also appears to be Mrs Zimmer).

SWEENEY   Daniel James    885   Dvr   5Bn   HQ to ACo 6-15 (G) to 14 Platoon DCo 6-16 F&B reported buried by shell in trench at Goodwin's Post near Gueudecourt and Flers NKG listed on Villers-Bretonneux Memorial France (CMF 6 months)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 April 2014, 09:55:14 am
Frev

Todays

GRANT   Keith   587   Pte   9 LHR   B Sqn to L/Cpl 2-15 to Cpl 4-15 to L/Sgt 7-15 to T/Sgt 8-15 revert Cpl 10-15 (G) to Abbey Wood UK 6-16 to AIF depots UK 10-16 to T/CSM 66Bn UK 5-17 prom 2/Lt 8-17 to CCo/10Bn 11-17 WIA 28-6-18 R/arm, L/hand & thigh shrapnel reported 1 officer and 6 men killed and 2 officers & 35 men wounded during attack on Merris F&B married Ivy Hill in Gravesend UK 13-11-18 (CMF 6 months)

I have question for you ref my coments above "Saving Pte Pearce"

Can you help in finding the missing brother?

Colin found these details;

Steve,
 
 
Here is what I have found so far, still have one to check , or rather double check as the names do not quite match but here goes.
 
 
Father:       Richard Pearce
Mother:      Esther Kneale born 1855 died 1910 aged 55.
 
Children:
 
          Esther Pearce born In Durham Lead, Victoria (Near Ballarat) 1873 from one record 1877 on another died 1877
         Mary Ann Pearce born in Durham Lead, Victoria 1877 died 1877.
         
          Richard Henry Pearce born 1876  Durham Lead, Victoria . According to a letter written to the army by his sister Louisa family tradition was that he was KIA , Gallipoli “at the landing.”
Actually he served as Number 2184 with the 15th Battalion on Gallipoli was reported wounded and missing 27 August 1915 and at a subsequent enquiry he was declared KIA Gallipoli 27/8/1915. Wife Clara Pearce living at Blair Athol at the time of his enlistment.
 
         Edmund Pearce born Durham Lead, Victoria 1878 was reportedly living at 80 Langridge St. Collingwood Victoria in 1920.
 
         Mabel Wester Pearce, born Durham Lead, Victoria in 1881 living in Fitzroy, Victoria in 1920.
 
         Edward James Pearce, born Durham Lead, Victoria 1883. You have his history served as number 826 3 LHR.  Wife Elsie Pearce. Living in Burnie Tasmania in 1920 according to his sister’s letter “returned after 4 years service”.
 
         William John Pearce, born Durham Lead, Victoria in 1885. Living in Burwood, Victoria at the time of his sister’s letter in 1920.
 
         Louisa Pearce,  born Durham Lead, Victoria in 1887 named as NOK by her brother Carl Leaton Pearce. Married W. Fyfe of 169 Camberwell Road, Hawthorn. Victoria at the time she wrote the letter (1920).
 
         Herbert Pearce born Durham Lead, Victoria in 1889. THIS IS THE ONE I HAVE TO CHECK
    According to his sister’s letter he was KIA at Lone Pine, Gallipoli but , so far I have been unable to locate him in the army records by this name. I will need to double check the birth entry then track back again through the war records. Thee is a Herbert Pearce number 3422 4th Pioneer Battalion on the Roll of Honour but from the service records this does not appear to be the right man as birth place and death details do not match.
 
         Carl Leaton Pearce, born Durham Lead, Victoria in 1891. Again you already have his details served as number 488 1Bn and Camel Corps. KIA 30/03/1918
 
         Stanley Garrett Pearce, born Durham Lead, Victoria in 1894 , served as number 5745 with the 5th Battalion. KIA France 20/08/1916.
 
         Florence Sarah Pearce born Richmond, Victoria 1898. married name  Mitcham.
 
        Hope that this helps, will check on that last brother and report back as soon as I can.
 
Regards,
 
Colin Renshaw


The missing brother he found was named Herbert Pearce but as yet no one by that name has been found on the Honour Roll?

Can you throw your resourses find the missing brother who was killed on Anzac?

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 April 2014, 02:25:00 pm

Steve - the reason Colin can't find Herbert Pearce in the AIF records, is because he served & died with the NZEF.

CWGC entry: http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/109600/PEARCE,%20HERBERT

NZ Cenotaph database: http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/12129.detail?Ordinal=5&c_surname_search=pearce&c_firstname_search=herbert&c_warconflict_search=%22world+war+i,+1914-1918%22

So, are you going to write the article for Digger?...........I'll look forward to reading it.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 17 April 2014, 02:49:20 pm
Frev,

This though me but can you sort it out?

Shows single but later changed as wife and child claim his medals, was he married before the war (as her name also appears to be Mrs Zimmer).

SWEENEY   Daniel James    885   Dvr   5Bn   HQ to ACo 6-15 (G) to 14 Platoon DCo 6-16 F&B reported buried by shell in trench at Goodwin's Post near Gueudecourt and Flers NKG listed on Villers-Bretonneux Memorial France (CMF 6 months)

Cheers

S.B

Steve

Daniel James SWEENEY married Sarah Olive RICKARD in 1913 in Vic

She re-married in 1921 to Charles Conrad ZIMMER.

Cheers, Frev

PS - thanks for Keith GRANT - he's a new one.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 April 2014, 10:01:36 am
Frev,

Thanks mate, yes I though it needed to be told, Colin is helping with the back ground family details.

The military side is my area so hopefully it can be done.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 April 2014, 07:31:04 am
Frev,

Todays

GORRINGE   John James William Ralph   417   Pte   9 LHR   C Sqn (G) att 04 LHR 2-18 rtn 3-18 to CTU ICC 3-18 to LH Dtls 7-18 rtn 9 LHR 9-18 att 2 LH Sig Sqn 12-18 T/att 2 LH FSE 1-19 rtn C Sqn 1-19 married Gertrude Brantingham at Weymouth UK 6-3-19

and

HALL   Charles Edward   974   Pte   9 LHR   6R ToS C Sqn 8-15 (G) to Dvr 13 BAC 4-16 to 10Bn 12-17 FGCM 6-3-18 AWoL sentenced 6 months HL reduced to 2 months Detn to Lewes Detn Bks to 5 DAC 6-18 rtn 10Bn 8-18 F&B to AIF depots UK 1-19 married Agnes Parsons at Southwark UK 16-4-19 AKA real name John Edward Lenon

not sure if he meet her when on detention at Lewes (like many others married there) or later?

Frev do you have any details on this nursing Sister?

ROBIN   Alan Hugh   Vet   Capt   1 Div Trn HQ (G) to 1Co AASC 1 Div trn 11-15 att Comp AASC 11-15 WFF to 7 MVS 3-16 prom Maj 12-16 MID - for his command of the 7 MVS during 1917 T/att 2 LH Bde HQ 9-17 to ICC Bde HQ 6-18 to 5 LH Bde HQ 7-18 to HQ AMD 10-18 married Sister Stella Robin 3 AGH AANS in Egypt


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 April 2014, 08:58:03 am
Frev,

Todays

LEWIS   John William   1864   Pte   9 LHR   13R Tos 2-16 to 115Bty/25 FAB 4-16 to Dvr 3 Sect/5 DAC (1864a) 5-16 F&B to NME UK building married Jessie Robinson at Middlesborough UK 20-9-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 April 2014, 02:44:24 pm

Frev do you have any details on this nursing Sister?

ROBIN   Alan Hugh   Vet   Capt   1 Div Trn HQ (G) to 1Co AASC 1 Div trn 11-15 att Comp AASC 11-15 WFF to 7 MVS 3-16 prom Maj 12-16 MID - for his command of the 7 MVS during 1917 T/att 2 LH Bde HQ 9-17 to ICC Bde HQ 6-18 to 5 LH Bde HQ 7-18 to HQ AMD 10-18 married Sister Stella Robin 3 AGH AANS in Egypt


Steve - seems to be a little confusion in Alan ROBIN's service record.  He did not marry Sister Stella Agnes ROBIN - she was actually his sister!
Her service record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8035680

 He didn't marry until after his return to Australia - marrying Daisy Marion BAIRD in 1919 in Vic.

The other 3 are new - ta.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 April 2014, 02:11:52 pm
Frev,

Thanks mate.

Todays no name or details?

RUDD   John Arthur   Vet   Capt   2 LH Bde Trn   (6Co AASC) remain Egypt to Vet officer 5 Div Trn 3-16 att 5 DAC 4-17 to RBAA 5-18 WIA 11-8-18 abdoman & L/hand bomb in Flieger Abteilungen air attack on Etaples F&B married in UK

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 23 April 2014, 10:07:15 am
Frev,

I was going threw my AProvC list I gave to Trev and noticed two men I missed out in the follow up for any details about there marrages?

ADAMS   Ralph Burton   1305   Pte   02 LHR   10R Tos 12-15 att WFF to 4 Div Cyc Co 3-16 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 7-16 to Aust Corps Cyc Bn 1-18 T/att AProvC APM Town Guard Camon 4-18 F&B married a French girl in 1917? and lived in Camon Sur Somme France interned by Germans in WWII (AFA CMF 1 year)

Can we now find out who the lady is?

and

ADEY   Arthur Samuel   3678   A/Sgt   4Bn   12R tos 1Co/1Bn ICC 1-16 to T/CQMS 4-16 to CSM 11-16 MID - reason not stated possibly at Rafa to Staff Sgt Maj AProvC PoW camp 18-6-17 Recom MSM Awarded MID 24-2-18 - reason not stated decleared a deserter 22-7-19 disch in absence 21-7-20 Egypt deserter RTA with wife in 1925 (CMF 1 year)

Do we know where and who the lady is?

Its possible theres no new details on these men and ladies but its worth asking the question?

Cheers

S.B




Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 23 April 2014, 03:20:05 pm

Todays no name or details?

RUDD   John Arthur   Vet   Capt   2 LH Bde Trn   (6Co AASC) remain Egypt to Vet officer 5 Div Trn 3-16 att 5 DAC 4-17 to RBAA 5-18 WIA 11-8-18 abdoman & L/hand bomb in Flieger Abteilungen air attack on Etaples F&B married in UK


Steve

I have John Arthur RUDD in the database - he married Edith May LAMB in the Jun Qtr of 1917 in Bromsgrove, England
They RTA together with their son John Arthur (b.27/7/1918) on the family ship Osterley 11/1/1919 [John Jnr served in the RAN in WW2]
John Snr died 3/9/1942 - a year after his retirement as Director of the Animal Health Station, Yeerongpilly, Qld - and is buried in the Lutwyche Cemetery, Qld

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 23 April 2014, 03:23:09 pm
I was going threw my AProvC list I gave to Trev and noticed two men I missed out in the follow up for any details about there marrages?

ADAMS   Ralph Burton   1305   Pte   02 LHR   10R Tos 12-15 att WFF to 4 Div Cyc Co 3-16 to 1 Anzac Cyc Bn 7-16 to Aust Corps Cyc Bn 1-18 T/att AProvC APM Town Guard Camon 4-18 F&B married a French girl in 1917? and lived in Camon Sur Somme France interned by Germans in WWII (AFA CMF 1 year)

Can we now find out who the lady is?


Afraid I still can't give anymore detail on this lady - no access to French records - and as they married, lived, & died in France..........sorry!

PS - Trev is still waiting for his registration to go through to join the ALH forum - seeing as it's been a couple of weeks now - I guess it didn't work after all!!


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 23 April 2014, 03:31:38 pm

ADEY   Arthur Samuel   3678   A/Sgt   4Bn   12R tos 1Co/1Bn ICC 1-16 to T/CQMS 4-16 to CSM 11-16 MID - reason not stated possibly at Rafa to Staff Sgt Maj AProvC PoW camp 18-6-17 Recom MSM Awarded MID 24-2-18 - reason not stated decleared a deserter 22-7-19 disch in absence 21-7-20 Egypt deserter RTA with wife in 1925 (CMF 1 year)

Do we know where and who the lady is?

Its possible theres no new details on these men and ladies but its worth asking the question?


Always worth asking  ;)

Funnily enough - I actually have Arthur's brother Alfred Victor ADEY (348, 1st Bn) in the database (he married in the UK in 1918)

However, Arthur Samuel ADEY didn't marry O/S - he was already married on enlistment - married Amy CANN in 1911 in NSW, & they had 2 children.

There are various letters from her in the service record re his whereabouts.......

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 April 2014, 07:21:42 am
Frev,

Thanks mate

Todays a WAAC

ELMS   Eric Raynor Vivian   1962   Pte   9 LHR   14R tos Gnr 54Bty/14 FAB 4-16 to 55Bty 4-16 to 14 BAC 5-16 to Gnr 5 DAC 5-16 WIA 3-5-17 broken leg accident rtn 11-17 F&B married WAAC Isabella Harding at Weymouth UK 24-6-19 later WWII AKA Eric Raymor Elms


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 26 April 2014, 08:50:24 am
Frev,

Todays

BROTHERTON   Walter Charles   2183   Pte   9 LHR   15R to 3 LHTR 4-16 to AATD UK 5-16 to 8 Trg Bn 11-16 tos 32Bn 11-16 F&B rtn A Troop CSqn/9 LHR 6-18 married Lilian Coaker in Shaftesbury UK 1-7-17

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 27 April 2014, 04:32:51 pm

Thanks Steve - I do already have BROTHERTON but Eric ELMS is new, ta - and always of great interest to find another lady who 'did her bit'.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 May 2014, 09:23:01 am
Frev,

No marrages but a list page 15 this mans file.

TILLER   William John   2473

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 May 2014, 01:46:35 pm
Frev,

Todays

ROUSE   William James   1259   Pte   2 ASH   HQ (G) to 2 DBD 7-16 to 12 FAmb 3-17 T/att 1 CCS 3-18 F&B married Charlotte Ashton at West Ham UK 20-10-17

and

ROW   Alister George   25   Pte   4 LH Bde    Ammo Res relist (9020) 20Co AASC 8-15 to 3Co 1 Div Trn att Comp AASC 12-15 to Dvr 1 Pnr Bn 3-16 att APayC 3-19 F&B married Eva Mayne at Bexhill UK 31-1-19

and list page 46 this mans file;

FOX   Robert Eldon   816

Cheers

SB


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 03 May 2014, 07:20:37 am
Frev,

another list page 7 this mans file;

MURRAY   Bill   2357

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 06 May 2014, 08:08:33 am
Frev,

Todays

TALBOT   Merritton George Surrey   2021   Pte   9 LHR   14R tos 56Bty/14 FAB 4-16 to AAOC 5-16 to 25 FAB 7-16 to Bdr 11-16 tos 55Bty/14 FAB 1-17 F&B to AIF depots UK 6-17 revert to Pte AProvC Tidworth UK 9-17 to A/L/Cpl 10-18 to T/Cpl 11-18 ro ER 2/Cpl 3-19 to ER Cpl 6-19 to T/Sgt 7-19 married Elsie Fitz at Warminster UK 12-2-18 brother Walter 9 LHR


I should mention that there was a write up in the Sunday paper here in Brisbane about a marage between Lt Carter (1Bn) ans Sister King (AANS) no dought you have all the details but the articale has some photos of the couple see Couriermail.com.au

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 07 May 2014, 07:37:34 am
Frev,

SEATON   Frank Frederick   1809   A/Cpl   9 LHR   13R Tos D Sqn 2-16 to Gnr 13 BAC 4-16 to Bdr 5-16 to HQ/15 FAB 8-16 to 57Bty/15 FAB 10-16 to 7Bty/3 FAB 1-17 to Sgt 3-18 WIA 18-5-18 L/arm shrapnel reported 2 wounded suporting the 2nd Div attack around Ville Sur Ancre F&B to war records Sect AIF HQ London UK 3-19 married Daisy Dennis at Wellingborough UK 14-7-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 May 2014, 04:01:57 pm

Thanks Steve - all the latest you've added are new, including 2 of the 3 lists!
Yes, I do have a lot of info on Sister King & Lt Col Carter - but thanks for the heads-up on the article - I'll take a peek....
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 May 2014, 08:02:41 am
Frev,

Todays

Check out page 12 of this mans file

MacAULEY   Frederick James   1586   Pte   9 LHR

I at first thought it was that man but the H Macauley 53Bn who married Alice Clifford at Gloucester UK 16-7-18 is another.

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 13 May 2014, 04:47:31 pm

Thanks Steve - I've added Hugh McAuley to my database - and let the Nat Archives know, so they can transfer the marriage certificate into the correct service record.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 14 May 2014, 09:30:57 am
Frev,

Todays

SPEECHLEY   Roy   1091   Pte   9 LHR   8R tos C Sqn 10-15 (G) to Dvr 3 Sect/5 DAC 4-16 F&B to NME UK motors married Dorothy Watson at Lambeth UK 28-4-19 Ex 9 LHR (1077) DNE related J Speechley

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 May 2014, 08:55:27 am
Frev,

Todays

SLATER   James Joseph   677   Pte   9 LHR   3R tos C Sqn 5-15 WIA 11-8-15 hand shot at Walkers Ridge evac to UK enteric (G) to 8Bn 9-16 F&B to AProvC Tidworth UK 3-18 to ER 2/Cpl 2-19 married Lilian Mobbs at Tooting UK 28-10-17 later WWII 12 Garr Bn

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 May 2014, 08:38:47 am
Frev,

Todays, married while in UK sick from Anzac, and didn't see her again till after the war, fast worker.

McCLUSKY   William   685   Pte   Labourer age 19 Alexandra Vic (ward of the state of NSW) Enl 18-11-14 Emb 3R/9 LHR. Tos B Sqn C Troop 5-8-15 evac to UK (enteric) Gallipoli. Rtn 3 LHTR 1-7-16 to 1Bn 2Co 10-8-16 to 1Bn HQ 20-6-18 to Dvr 14 LHR 1-7-18 att oldens force 23-3-19 RTA 29-4-19 "Dorset" married Margaret Burrows in Weymouth UK 13-5-16

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 19 May 2014, 09:46:10 pm

Ta Steve - these are all new.

I think William McClusky may have 'done the honourable thing' - as he also became a father by the end of 1916!

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 May 2014, 07:51:53 am
Frev,

Always glad to help.

Todays

RUTTY   Conard Lucas   637   Pte   Fruit Grower age 22 Sandringham Vic & High Wycomp UK Enl 15-1-15 Emb 1R/9 LHR. Tos B Sqn 8-4-15 evac to UK 29-8-15 Gallipoli. To 3 LHTR 21-4-16 to (3 double Sqn) 6-7-16 to CTU 2-11-16 to 1Bn 1Co 19-2-17 to 8 LHR 31-7-18 to UK leave 10-6-19 married Gladys List at Paddington UK 5-7-19 RTA 20-10-19 "Euripides"

Her father looks like some big wig in the UK.

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 May 2014, 02:44:03 pm
Frev,

Todays I may have given before?

HAMILTON   Robert Alexander   24   Sgt   23Bn   HQ to DCo 8-15 (G) to 4Co/1Bn ICC 1-16 to CSM 12-16 to RSM HQ/1Bn ICC 5-18 to RSM RHQ/14 LHR 7-18 to UK leave married Isabella Jupp in Glasgow Scotland 12-9-19

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 21 May 2014, 09:11:27 pm

RUTTY   Conard Lucas   637   Pte   Fruit Grower age 22 Sandringham Vic & High Wycomp UK Enl 15-1-15 Emb 1R/9 LHR. Tos B Sqn 8-4-15 evac to UK 29-8-15 Gallipoli. To 3 LHTR 21-4-16 to (3 double Sqn) 6-7-16 to CTU 2-11-16 to 1Bn 1Co 19-2-17 to 8 LHR 31-7-18 to UK leave 10-6-19 married Gladys List at Paddington UK 5-7-19 RTA 20-10-19 "Euripides"

Her father looks like some big wig in the UK.


Her father had been the Chief Engineer in the Public Works Dept in India.  Gladys was born in Lahore, India in 1891.  After his retirement & return to the UK they lived in High Wycomb in Buckinghamshire, which is where Conrad was born & grew up.

His father was a Coal Merchant, and Conrad was employed as a Clerk in the company's office in 1911, before following his brother to Australia in 1912, where he took up fruit growing in the Kerang area.

On his return from the war, he continued as an Orchardist in Tresco (between Kerang & Swan Hill) - but by 1928 he had moved his family to NZ.
Gladys died in Auckland in 1977 & Conrad died in Auckland in 1983.

Cheers, Frev

PS - yes, you've already given me Robert Hamilton, ta.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 May 2014, 07:47:15 am
Frev,

Todays

RAGGATT   Arthur Lloyd   475   Pte   9 LHR   C Sqn (G) to Motor Cyclist 2/AM 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 8-17 to AFC depot UK 3-18 att 6 Trg Sqn AFC Wendover UK 6-18 to 1 Wing HQ Tetbury UK 6-18 married Florence Walker at Llantwit Neath Wales 18-4-18

and

STONE   William Clifford   485   Dvr   9 LHR   C Sqn RTA VD disch 4-8-15 MU relist 7R/13 LHR (1422) to 1R/3 Pnr Bn (1646) tos 11-16 att MP 3 Div HQ 11-16 to L/Cpl AProvC 3 Div HQ 2-17 WIA 1-10-17 gas mustard at Polygon Wood F&B to AprovC Tidworth UK 2-18 married Daisy Moore in London UK 5-11-17


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 May 2014, 02:30:12 pm

Ta Steve - STONE is new.

I do already have RAGGATT - for your records, he actually married Florence RAGGATT, she was a widow, maiden name WALKER - and they married 30/3/1916 (not 18/4/1918).  She had previously married Ernest F W Raggatt in 1905 Wales, he died 1912.  Probably related somewhere to Arthur's family...

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 May 2014, 09:02:33 am
Frev,

Another man who married a women with the same surname, this time a priest?

BEAN   James   19003   Pte   AAMC GR   tos 1 LHFA 10-18 att medic 1 LH FSE 12-18 rtn 3-19 to NME UK theology married Gladys Bean in Pickering UK 29-10-19

Related some where?


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 02 June 2014, 09:11:41 pm
Steve - BEAN is another new one, ta - and yes it's pretty likely they're related somehow, as they both come from the same area in Yorkshire.
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 June 2014, 09:34:53 am
Frev,

This bloke showed up but the only reason to surpose he married is a change on page 12 to his B103.

HEWETT   Albert Frank   136   Pte   9 LHR   A Sqn to L/Cpl 7-15 (G) to Dvr 13 FCE 5-16 att 4 Div Pack transport Co 6-18 rtn 7-18 Mentioned by Aust Corps Commander (Monash) - for his actions under fire with the Pack convoy 7-7-18 F&B married in UK? later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 04 June 2014, 10:46:21 pm

Ta Steve - Albert HEWETT did marry overseas - his details for you:


HEWETT, Albert Frank

Born 2/2/1895 Terowie, SA - son of Herbert Charles (General Store Keeper / Guard, SA Railways) & Louisa Lovell (nee Russell) - who married in 1880 Clare, SA
Herbert d.1924, Louisa d.1931

Siblings:
1. Herbert Harrold b.14/2/1881 Piries, SA – d.23/1/1882 (11mths)
2. Allan Gladstone b. 6/9/1886 Gladstone, SA – marr Edith Elizabeth Butler 29/7/1909 Wayville, SA – WW1: Dvr 594, 13 FCE – d.5/9/1959 SA
3. Harry Bruce b.11/2/1892 Terowie, SA - WW1: Sgt 3224, 10th Bn – KIA 23/7/1916 Pozieres
4. Charles Reginald b.7/3/1898 Terowie, SA - WW1: didn't sail – d.1978 Vic

WW1: Pte 136, 9th LH – 13th FCE – 4th Div Pack Tspt Coy
Enlisted 11/9/1914
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=5481475

Married Apolona Mina Gezina Stout KLOEK 15/8/1918 St John’s Parish Church, Lambeth, England

[no MC in SR - Marr Banns: Apolona, age 23 (b.6/1/1895 Amsterdam) - daughter of Johannis Ferdinand (dec. Hairdresser) & Apolona Maria]

RTA together on the Bremen 4/6/1919 – 22/7/1919

The couple lived at Walkerville until June 1921 when he deserted her.
He later married 3 more times (1943-1953), without seeking a divorce
Apolona living Vic in 1953

WW2: Pte, 3 Tng Bn, enlisted 17/7/1940 Wayville, SA – discharged 20/1/1944 - NOK: Allan – (locality on enlist – Seacliff, SA)

Married Hannah Margaret WHITE 1943 Prospect, SA (she died 1951)
Married Edith Blanche BURLEY 1952 Adelaide, SA (she left him)
Married Ethel Mary SWAIN 1953 Brighton Park, SA

1953 – charged with 3 counts of bigamy & sentenced to 3 years gaol

Appl for War Service Home in 1949
Appl for Gallipoli Medallion 1969 - living Kilburn, SA

Died 1983 SA

[Photo in 'All Australia Memorial - SA']


1921 re wife’s maintenance: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/106631324
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/63192897

1925: order made against him 4/7/1921 for wife’s maintenance: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/129715929
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/129718702

1925 Alleged Larceny: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/129778128
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/129781383

1928: gaoled for 2 months for obtaining money by false pretences: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/129125488

1935 obtaining money under false pretences: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/40065102


[?? 1940 6 months imprisonment for passing bad cheque: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/74444963]


1951 Death of Hannah Margaret: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/55784448

1953 bigamous marriages: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/129975069
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/134206847

1953 Sentenced to 3 years gaol: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/48273145



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 June 2014, 11:44:09 am
Frev,

Todays no details?

HANDLEY   Bertie Charles   5007   CSM   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC prom 2/Lt 7-15 to 56Bty/14 FAB 3-16 to 56Bty/25 FAB 7-16 MID - for his work as FOO under fire at Pozieres 15/20-7-16 att Intell officer 5 Div HQ 10-16 rtn 1-17 prom Capt 9-17 to Adjt HQ/14 FAB 2-18 prom Maj 2Bty/1 FAB 10-18 F&B married Annie in UK

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 08 June 2014, 03:32:12 pm

Steve - Bertie HANDLEY married AANS Nurse Annie Agnes HARPER

My file on her, for your interest:


HARPER, Annie Agnes, Sister
Married Maj Bertie Charles HANDLEY, 1st FAB on the 18/9/1917 in the Parish Church, St George, Bloomsbury, England

Born 1886 Kyneton, Vic – daughter of Sedgwick HARPER (Foundry Manager) & Martha GRAHAM, who married in Vic in 1875
1915 Address: Swan Hill. Vic

Siblings: Robert b.1878 Shepparton – marr Blanche – WW1: Shoeing Smith 29672, 4th DAC, AIF; Sedgwick Percy b.11/12/1880 (reg. Sedgwick James Leonard 1881) – Boer War & WW2; Allan Graham b.1884 Kyneton – marr Amy Beatrice – WW1: Pte 5364, 22nd Bn, AIF (POW); Harriett Louisa b.1888; Muriel Alice b.1891; Jean b.1894 Kyneton

Trained Kyneton Hospital
Member of RVTNA

WW1:
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=4932981
Embarked 20/5/1915 on the RMS Mooltan with the 1st AGH for Egypt
Debility 5/12/15 – 10/12/15
Emb on Salta for Marseilles, arriving 6/4/1916
Sick to hosp, Rouen 24/10/16 – 30/10/16
Sick to 24th Gen Hosp, Etaples, 16/11/16 – 18/12/16
Leave 22/5/17 – 8/6/17
To be Sister 1/9/1917
Resigned on account of marriage 18/9/1917
Resident of Georgian House, Bury St, St James, London 6/10/1917


Bertie Charles HANDLEY
Born 6/9/1885 Sth Yarra (reg Prahran) – son of Frank HANDLEY (Insurance Co. Manager) & Mary Ann NICKELS – who married in Vic in 1876
Educated Melbourne Grammar

WW1:
Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=4255013
Maj, 1st FAB (MID)
Returned to Australia 5/4/1919 on the Warwickshire


Children:
John Sedgwick b.1920 St Kilda, Vic
Judith Mary b.12/1/1921 Brighton Beach, Vic
Roger Harper born 9/10/1922 at Hopetoun Hospital, Elsternwick, Vic
Stuart


On his return to Australia in 1919, Bertie was appointed General Manager of the Australian branch of the London Guarantee and Accident Co Ltd, and the couple at first lived in St Kilda East, Vic
By 1925 they had moved to NSW

Living Alma Rd, St Kilda East, Vic 1919 (Bertie, Manager) / 100 Were St, Brighton, Vic 1922, 1924 (Bertie, Manager) / “Kama”, Stanley Ave, Mosman, NSW 1930 (Bertie, Manager)

Bertie, continuing as Manager of the London Guarantee and Accident Coy, NSW, also took over as Manager of the Phoenix Assurance Coy, NSW 1/1/1929
Sailed for Capetown, Sth Africa on the Euripides 8/12/1931 to take up position of Manager for the Phoenix Group

1936: Annie & Bertie (Insurance Manager) embarked at Mombasa (residents of Sth Africa) on the Durham Castle and arrived London 19/6/1936

1949: Annie & Bertie (Insurance Agent) embarked at Cape Town, Sth Africa (where they were living) on the City of Lucknow and arrived in London 23/6/1949


Kyneton Guardian (Vic), Tue 27 Apr 1915 (p.3):
PERSONAL PARS
Nurse for the Front – Miss Annie Harper, sister of Mr S.P. Harper, of Kyneton, and a trainee of Kyneton Hospital, has volunteered and been accepted as a nurse for the front.  Miss Harper volunteered in Adelaide, and passed through Kyneton on her way to visit her parents in Swan Hill, and will return to Kyneton prior to her departure, which she expects will be in the course of a fortnight or so.

Swan Hill Guardian and Lake Boga Advocate (Vic), Thur 16 Dec 1915 (p.2):
Red Cross Goods
Nurse Annie Harper, writing to her mother at Swan Hill from the hospital at Heliopolis, under date 7th November, says: - I have been in a state of great excitement to-day.  I went to the Red Cross store connected with this place to get a pair of socks, and found a bundle from Swan Hill.  The pair I got were navy blue, and had in them a little note from Miss Drummond.  I gave them to a nice little appendiea patient.  He was so pleased with them, and my knowing the sender made them twice as good.  He is going to write to Miss Drummond.  I was quite giddy with excitement.  It was like a trip home.  I just loved every sock in the bundle.

Swan Hill Guardian and Lake Boga Advocate (Vic), Mon 16 Jul 1917 (p.3):
ON ACTIVE SERVICE – CASUALTIES
This morning Mrs Allan Harper, Swan Hill, received a cablegram from Nurse Harper, who is in France, stating that her husband, Private A.G. Harper, was a prisoner of war in Germany and well.  Private Harper had previously been reported as missing.

The Argus (Melb, Vic), Sat 28 Jun 1919 (p.20):
PERSONAL
Mr F. Handley is retiring from the management of the London Guarantee and Accident Company Limited, the London directors having granted him a seat on the local board.  Mr Handley has been in the company’s service 43 years, and during the past 28 years he has been secretary of the Australian branch.  His son, Major B.C. Handley, who recently returned from the front after over four years’ active service with the A.I.F., will succeed him, having been appointed the company’s general manager for Australia.

The Argus (Melb, Vic), Wed 26 Jan 1921 (p.1):
BIRTHS
HANDLEY – On the 12th January, at Were street, Brighton Beach, to Mr and Mrs B.C. Handley, a daughter (Judith Mary).

The Argus (Melb, Vic), Sat 21 Oct 1922 (p.11):
BIRTHS
HANDLEY – On the 9th October, at Hopetoun hospital, Elsternwick, to Mr and Mrs B.C. Handley – a son (Roger Harper).

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW), Sat 29 Dec 1928 (p.15):
COMPANY NEWS
Owing to his retirement through ill-health, Mr H.S. Dickson, the manager for New South Wales of the Phoenix Assurance Company, Ltd., will be succeeded on January 1 by Mr B.C. Handley.  Mr Handley will, in addition, retain the management of the London Guarantee and Accident Company, Ltd., in New South Wales.

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW), Thur 3 Dec 1931 (p.11):
Mr B.C. Handley, local manager in New South Wales of the Phoenix Assurance Co., Ltd., leaves on December 9 for South Africa to take up the position of manager in that country of the Phoenix group.


Who’s Who in Australia 1929:
HANDLEY, Bertie Charles
Gen. Mgr. for Aust. of London Guarantee and Accident Co., General Ins., Fire, Marine and Accident, 50 Market St., Melbourne.  Branches all States of C’wealth.  Est. 1869.  Born: Sth. Yarra, Vic., Sept 1885.  Son of Frank Handley, Vic., and Mary Handley, of Dulwich, Eng.  Educated: C. of E. Grammar School, Melbourne.  Began business career as chief clerk to Royal Exchange Insce. 1914; took over management of the London Guarantee and Accident Co. Ltd. 1919.  Served with Aust. Field Art. 1907-1912, and with 5th Austn. Divisional Art., A.I.F.  Gained Majority with 22nd Battery, 1st Div. Art.  Married: Annie Agnes Harper, of “Sedgwick,” Swan Hill, Sept., 1917.  Issue: One son.  Clubs: Amatuer Sports, C.T.A., Yarra Yarra Golf.  Recreation: Golf.  Politics: Nationalist.  Creed: Anglican.  Home address: 100 Were St., Brighton Beach, Vic



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 June 2014, 08:36:36 am
Frev,

Sorry not many showing up lately.

Todays

SERVICE   John   9816   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   16R (5Co AASC) to AASC Trg unit UK 5-16 married Susanna Bindon in Warminster UK 17-12-18

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 June 2014, 08:58:44 am
Frev,

Todays

MARKS   Cecil Henry   1065   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   1R (6Co AASC) remain Egypt RTA MU VD relist 16R/1 Div Trn to AASC Trg unit UK 1-17 tos (868Co) 11-17 to (869Co) 24Co 3 Div Trn 2-18 F&B to NME UK married Rose Warren at Sarum St Edwards Wiltshire UK 17-5-19

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 June 2014, 09:56:30 am
Frev,

Todays

MacKINTOSH   Charles William   400   Pte   1 Remts   2 Sqn to Gnr 47Bty/12 FAB 4-16 to 119Bty 10-16 to 112Bty/12 FAB 4-17 rtn 47Bty/12 FAB 2-18 WIA 15-8-18 gas W" reported shelled by gas near Proyart F&B married Charlotte Ogilvie at Glasgow Scotland 2-8-19 (Boer War 2nd Scottish Horse (33496) and Natal Border Police)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 21 June 2014, 02:22:02 pm
Frev,

Todays

TAYLOR   Robert Ralston   5203   Dvr   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC to 1Co 1 Div Trn att Comp AASC att WFF 12-15 rtn 1-16 F&B married Hilda Thorn at Amersham UK 3-1-18 (CMF 6 months)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 24 June 2014, 12:00:25 pm

Ta Steve - these are all new  ;)
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 June 2014, 03:19:16 pm
Frev,

No worries here's a good one for you.

UPFIELD   Arthur   143   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) to AASC Trg Unit UK 6-16 to A/L/Sgt 1-17 to A/Sgt 11-17 to Dvr 17Co AASC 2 Div Trn 5-18 F&B rtn AASC Trg Unit UK 7-18 to ER Sgt 7-19 married Nurse Anne Douglass in Alexandria Egypt 3-11-15 (British The Hampshire Yeomanry (Carabiniers) 3 years) AKA Arthur William Upfield author "The House of Cain " 1928 and "The Barrakee Mystery" 1929 novelist specialising in crime and mystery, his sleuth was a part Aboriginal detective Napoleon "Bony" Bonapart and "Wings Above the Diamantina" 1936 and "Bites the Dust" 1948 and wrote for the Melbourne Herald

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 29 June 2014, 02:09:12 pm

Steve - UPFIELD certainly was an interesting character.  The nurse he married was one of our AANS nurses.  My file on her/them for your interest:


DOUGLASS, Anne, Staff Nurse, AANS
Married Arthur William UPFIELD, 17th ASC on the 3/11/1915 at the British Consulate, Alexandria, Egypt

Born 1882 Lake Marmal (near Charlton), Vic – daughter of James DOUGLASS (Farmer, b. Co Derry) & Christina GRAY, who married in Vic in 1878
James d.20/8/1929 “Pelleper,” Barrakee Nth, age 92 & Christina d.1/11/1938 Charlton, age 79

Siblings (born Lake Marmal): Jane b.1879 (Mrs P. Glasheen); John b.1880 – d.1961; James b.1884 – d.1963; William b.1888; Elizabeth – marr Percival Herbert KIRKBRIDE 25/3/1924; Margaret b.1892 (Mrs D McInnes); Robert Alex b.1894; Joseph Stuart b.1896 – d.1972; Christina Myrtle (twin) b.1898 – marr John ALLEN 28/10/1919; Marion Grace (twin) b.1898 (Mrs G. Allen); Samuel Clarence b.1900 – d.1912 Charlton, age 11 of Peritontis, following injuries received after being kicked by a pony

Trained Maryborough Hospital (3 yrs)
Nursed at St Arnaud Hospital (12 mths)
(Infectious certificate from Fairfield)

WW1: Service Record: http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=3517527
Embarked 17/6/1915 on the A62 Wandilla
Served with the 1st AGH, Egypt
[Possibly RTA on Borda 15/11/15? - if so, she later went to UK]
Discharged 31/12/1915 on account of marriage

Only child: James Arthur born 8/2/1920 Braughton, England – Wireless Operator – married Betty Jeanette – died 1977 Heidelberg, age 56
WW2 – enlisted as Arthur James 26/4/1940 at Caulfield (resident of Mt Dandenong), VX13272 – discharged 14/11/1945, a Pte in 1 Division Provost Coy

The couple & their one year old son departed London on the SS Berrima 25/8/1921 to return to Australia

1929 Living WA
1932 Rose Cottage, Kalamunda, WA
1933 Mrs Upfield (Kalamunda) advertised for paying guests
1937 & 1943 Electoral Rolls: Upfield, Anne & Arthur – Main Rd, Mt Dandenong, Vic
1940 Oliver Lodge, Mt Dandenong
The couple separated some time b/w 1943 & 1949 (apparently 1945)
1949 ER: same address (Arthur’s name crossed out)
1954 & 1963 ERs: Upfield, Anne – Main Rd, Mt Dandenong

Died June 1964 at Geelong, age 81
Buried Geelong Eastern Cemetery 1/7/1964


Arthur was born (Wm Arthur) 1/9/1890 Alverstoke, Gosport, Hampshire, England – son of James Oliver UPFIELD (Draper) & Annie BARMORE
Siblings: Edward; Frank; Nelson; Oliver John

Apprenticed with Puttock & Blake Surveyors, Gosport
Served 3 years with the Hampshire Imperial Carb Yeomanry
1911 – Auctioneer’s Assistant, Gosport – before coming to Australia (see notes for possible sailing)
Bushman on enlistment

WW1: Service Record http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=12086415

Enlisted 22/8/1914 Brisbane (age given as 27 yrs 11 mths – he would have been about to turn 24)
Dvr 143, 1st LH Bridging Tn / 17th ASC
Served Gallipoli
Admitted 1st AGH, Heliopolis 7/8/1915 – 12/8/15 (diarrhoea)
Embarked for England 20/6/1918 (myalgia)
Granted 75 days leave with pay in England 31/10/18 – 15/1/19
Demobbed in England 15/10/1919 – RTA 1921
He made an application for assistance to purchase stock, b/w (1919) & 1924

Arthur became a well-known novelist – including the ‘Bony’ series
Australian Dictionary of Biography: http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/upfield-arthur-william-8900
See also various other Bios on-line

1/10/1928 – 15/9/1931 employed by the Rabbit department as a boundary rider on No.1 rabbit-proof fence, WA
1938 - appointed Justice of the Peace
1953 Arthur living Airey’s Inlet, Vic
1954 ER: Arthur living by himself at Airey’s Inlet, Vic
1958 ER: Upfield, Arthur & Jessica – Bermagui Sth, NSW [Apparently unmarried, Jessica changed her surname to Upfield by deed poll]

Arthur died 12/2/1964 at Bowral, NSW


The Daily News (Perth, WA), Wed 19 Feb 1930 (p.1):
Mr Arthur Upfield, author of several books, the best known being “The House of Cain,” has been on holiday with his wife at Kalamunda.  ………………………………..

1937, including family motoring holiday: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/75118863

1938 Arthur appointed Justice of the Peace: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11169452

1957: Arthur’s biographer – Jessica Hawke: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/51185831


Notes:
Mr W Upfield, Clerk, came to Adelaide on the Orvieto, departing London on the 29/9/1911, and arriving 4/11/1911



Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 June 2014, 02:36:25 pm
Frev,

Here's another with no details;

SWIFT   Travers   138   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC remain Egypt to 25Co 3 Div Trn 11-16 to 44Bn (138a) 2-17 to L/Cpl 5-17 WIA 10-6-17 L/buttock & both shoulders shot at Messines att AIF depots UK 9-17 rtn 5-18 WIA 25-6-18 L/wrist & R/arm possibly when shelled during the day at Villers Bretonneux F&B married Edith in UK (NZ TF 2 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 July 2014, 08:07:05 am
Frev,

Todays no details

McEGAN   William   1145A   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC remain Egypt to Cpl 2-16 prom 2/Lt 46Bn 3-16 prom T/Capt 10-17 revert 12-17 F&B disch 23-7-18 MU trench feet married Irene in Glasgow Scotland later WWII Lt 4Bn to Sqd Ldr A/Wing Comdr RAAF OBE AKA William Francis McEgan

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 July 2014, 11:12:07 am
Frev,

Again no details;

TYE   Arthur Edward   5935   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8988) 20Co 2 Div Trn 9-15 (G) F&B married Marie in UK AKA Arthur Edwin Tye

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 04 July 2014, 09:21:48 am
Frev,

Todays

SHEA   Daniel John   1101   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC to Wheeler Cpl 6-15 remain Egypt to 26Co 4 Div Trn 3-16 to Wheeler S/Sgt 27Co 4 Div Trn 2-17 WIA 15-9-18 R/Leg shrapnel reported shelled around Peronne to Flammicourt F&B married Alice Beard at Trinity Church UK 25-12-18 (CMF 2 years)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 July 2014, 08:48:30 pm

Here's another with no details;

SWIFT   Travers   138   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC remain Egypt to 25Co 3 Div Trn 11-16 to 44Bn (138a) 2-17 to L/Cpl 5-17 WIA 10-6-17 L/buttock & both shoulders shot at Messines att AIF depots UK 9-17 rtn 5-18 WIA 25-6-18 L/wrist & R/arm possibly when shelled during the day at Villers Bretonneux F&B married Edith in UK (NZ TF 2 years)


Thanks Steve

Travers SWIFT married Edith Jane LAWSON in the Sept Qtr 1917 at Hendon, Middlesex, England.  She was a British Nurse.
They had 3 children before separating sometime in the 1920's.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 July 2014, 08:53:58 pm

Todays no details

McEGAN   William   1145A   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC remain Egypt to Cpl 2-16 prom 2/Lt 46Bn 3-16 prom T/Capt 10-17 revert 12-17 F&B disch 23-7-18 MU trench feet married Irene in Glasgow Scotland later WWII Lt 4Bn to Sqd Ldr A/Wing Comdr RAAF OBE AKA William Francis McEgan


Ta Steve

William McEGAN didn't  marry Irene until 1920 in Australia.
His marriage in Scotland was to Georgina Margaret McKenzie RAMSAY in 1917.  She apparently died in 1919.
He then married Irene Mary Adelaide PRIORA 20/7/1920 at St Patrick's Church, Church Hill, NSW.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 07 July 2014, 08:58:02 pm

Again no details;

TYE   Arthur Edward   5935   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8988) 20Co 2 Div Trn 9-15 (G) F&B married Marie in UK AKA Arthur Edwin Tye


Thank you again....

Arthur TYE married Marie BURDEN 26/5/1918 at St Paul's Church, Paddington, England.

Cheers, Frev

Thanks also for Daniel SHEA - another new one.


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 July 2014, 08:41:11 am
Frev,

Todays, still doing the AASC of the LH;

MacONOCHIE   Rupert   5106   Dvr   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC Tos 11-15 (G) to Transport BHQ/46Bn 3-16 WIA 5-8-16 groin/pennis shrapnel reported moving into the line at Pozieres att 65Bn in UK 3-17 rtn 5-17 F&B married Elizabeth Wright in Lambeth London UK 14-1-19 brother William AASC

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 09 July 2014, 09:20:09 am
Frev,

Todays

MOULDEN   Gerald Leslie   5008   S/Sgt   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC to 15Co AASC 2 Div Trn 8-15 (G) to AIF depots UK 10-16 to Wo1 5-18 married Phyllis Laskey in London UK 9-2-16 (6 IR 2 years to WAIR 2 years to 3Sqn/18 LH 18 months to ASC 2 years CMF later WWII)

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 10 July 2014, 08:19:08 am
Frev,

Todays a ammo worker;

TELFORD   Charles Albert   5165   Dvr   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC remain Egypt to 1Co 1 Div Trn att Comp AASC att WFF 12-15 to 1 DBD 5-16 WIA 5-7-16 L/side/chest stabbed accident knifed in quarrel at Etaples camp F&Bto AASC Trg Unit UK 10-16 married Ammo worker Ethel Green in Wareham UK 8-3-17

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 July 2014, 11:56:07 am
Frev,

Todays

CHANTER   Arthur Richard    12547   Dvr   AASC R    Sept 1916 R to AASC Trg depot UK 12-16 to 4Co AASC 1 Div Train 1-18 WIA 10-2-18 fingers broken accident F&B to AASC Trg depot UK 7-18 married Anne Watson at Portabello Scotland 16-11-18 (ASqn/16 LH to AMC CMF 9 months)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 11 July 2014, 05:17:46 pm

Many thanks as always Steve - these are all new.

Please excuse my absence for the next month, as I'll be heading off on the FFFAIF Tour on Sunday....
Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 12 July 2014, 09:41:11 am
Frev,

Have a good time.

I've also have someone up here from Melbourne, a Janet B. who is doing a work on the ICC, so I am giving her some of my research collected over the years.

Todays

RIORDAN   John   5121   Pte   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC remain Egypt to 1Co 1 Div Trn att Comp AASC att WFF 12-15 to 3Co 1 Div Trn 8-16 att 2Co 2-17 rtn 4-17 att 1 D/US 8-17 to 4 D/US 9-17 to HQ 1 Div Trn 11-18 F&B married Ethel Hope at London UK 21-2-19

Always liked to name "Hope" after having a thing about "Hope Lang" watching her on the TV show " the Ghost and Mrs Muir" in the 1960's.

another I am unsure if given before but still no name of wife?

SANSOM   Walter Guy   5197   Dvr   3 LH Bde Trn   12Co AASC Tos 7-15 (G) RTA MU relist A/Cpl 13R/13 LHR (2029) to 13 LH Dtls UK 12-16 prom 2/Lt 59Bn 8-17 F&B to NME UK wool at Leeds Uni married in UK

Shown married with two children he has his form in file which gives a date for bring his wife back to aussie but he dischatged in the UK?

CHARD   Ernest John   17962   Spr   1+2 Fld Trps   tos 1 LH FSE 8-17 to 2 LH FSE 5-18 rtn 1 LH FSE 12-18 to UK leave married Emily Oliver at Ealing UK 27-5-15 father William RFA (British) KIA


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 July 2014, 08:35:26 am
Frev,

Todays

McMILLAN   Roy Reginald   5848   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist 20Co 2 Div Trn (8831) 9-15 remain Egypt to Saddler 3-16 att 2 Pnr Bn 4-7 rtn 6-17 to 4Co 1 Div Trn 9-18 F&B married Janet Fraser at Glasgow Scotland 8-1-19 later WWII L/Cpl Garr Bn

and

MITCHELL   Colin   5944   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8926) 20Co 2 Div Trn 9-15 to L/Cpl 11-15 (G) to Cpl 3-16 att 17Co 2 Div Trn 4-16 rtn 7-16 to T/Sgt 12-18 F&B NME UK farming to L/Sgt 3-19 married Nelly Stumey at Lockerley UK 14-6-19


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 15 July 2014, 09:14:27 am
Frev,

Todays

SEDGLEY   William Henry   5912   Cpl   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8791) 20Co 2 Div Trn 9-15 Tos 10-15 (G) to 18Co 5 Div Trn 3-16 to T/Sgt 2-17 revert 3-17 T/att 5 Div Pack transport 10-17 MM - for his actions with L/Cpl Roberts bring supplies up to Westhoek ridge at Passchendaele F&B married Sarah Hughes at Barneby UK 9-11-18 later WWII

and

SCHUBERT   Ernest Edward   5891   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8961) 20Co 2 Div Trn 9-15 remain Egypt to 54Bn 3-16 to AIF depots UK 3-17 to 70Bn UK 4-17 to 61Bn UK 9-17 rtn 54Bn 3-18 to 56Bn 10-18 to 10Co AASC 5 Div Trn 11-18 F&B married Kathleen Bull at Camberwell UK 6-2-19  (CCo CMF)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 17 July 2014, 08:49:13 am
Frev,

Todays

HUGHES   Hugh Edward   77   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) to 4Co 1 Div Trn att Comp AASC att WFF 12-15 to 14Co 4 Div Trn 3-16 F&B married Sarah Nichols at Liverpool UK 28-11-16 later WWII

and

JONES   William   81   Cpl   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) to L/Sgt AASC Trg depot UK 5-16 to 30Co UK 3-17 to 7Co 4 Div Trn 1-18 to 27Co 4 Div Trn 2-19 to 14Co 4 Div Trn 2-19 F&B married Hilda Usher in Sarum UK 21-12-16 (CMF 3 years) AKA William Ernest Jones

cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 18 July 2014, 08:44:51 am
Frev,

Todays

KNOWLES   Harry   84   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) att WFF to AASC trg depot UK 8-16 to 14Co 4 Div Trn 2-18 to 22Co 3 Div Trn 7-18 F&B married Dorothie Jacob at Kingston UK 15-9-17 (British Natal Rifles 2 years) AKA Ernest Henry Knowles

and

KENNEDY   John   7199   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   9R (5Co AASC) remain Egypt to 01 LHR 4-16 to Wheeler S/Sgt 33Co AASC Anzac MDT 8-17 to UK leave married Mary Shuttleton at Aberdeen Scotland 16-4-19 (British RASC)

and , no details on wife?

CUTMORE   Charles   45   Pte   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) RTA MU enteric relist 15R/9Bn (4760) tos 5 Fld Bky 19Co AASC 5-16 to Cpl 1-17 F&B married Catherine in London UK

and again no details?

LEEVES   Vernon Urdley   93   Sgt   1 VS   to 15 Bde HQ 4-16 prom 2/Lt 1-17 to Transport officer BHQ/56Bn 2-17 WIA 12-11-17 L/thigh accident reported stabbed with knife by three soldiers on duty near Lindenhoek camp Ypres rtn 1-18 F&B married Ethel in UK (British Imperial Yeomanry 1 year)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 20 July 2014, 09:37:32 am
Frev,

Todays

CAVE   James   2756   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   1R (5Co AASC) (162) (G) to 4Co 1 Div Trn att Comp AASC att WFF 12-15 to 14Co 4 Div Trn 3-16 F&B to AASC Trg depot UK 4-17 disch 4-9-18 MU cardiac married Eunice Todd at Liverpool UK 11-6-17

and

ELMES   Bertram James   54   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC RTA MU VD relist 7R/22Bn (3352) Tos 57Bn 2-16 to 15 MG Co 4-16 to 22 MG Co 3-17 to 2 MG Bn 1-18 F&B married Nellie Wheatley at Fleet UK 16-4-18 (British TF 1 year)


Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 22 July 2014, 09:09:14 am
Frev,

Todays

FRASER   Alexander Francis   58   Pte   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC Tos 10-15 (G) att WFF to A/Sgt MP 2 DBD 6-16 to 1 Entr Bn 12-16 to 22 D/US 6-17 to cadet No 5 OTC Cambridge UK 12-17 prom 2/Lt 54Bn 6-18 to 55Bn 10-18 T/att 28Co 5 Div Trn 10-18 F&B to eduction officer AIF depots UK 5-19 married Jenny Brown in Cambridge UK 27-12-18 brother John 5 LHR

and

GLANVILLE   Robert Albert   61   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) att WFF to 14Co 4 Div trn 4-16 to 20 D/US 7-17 MID - reason not stated F&B married Gertrude Mitchell at Plymouth UK 23-11-18 father in law Francis Canadian Army (British The Queen's Own (Royal West Kent) Regt 2 years) later WWII Lt AASC brother William 1 LH Bde Trn

and

HARTLEY   Arthur   70   Pte   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC Tos 10-15 (G) att WFF T/att trade test 67 Sqn (1 Sqn) AFC 11-16 att cadet No 3 SMA 3-17 to HQ ASC AMDT 7-17 to Cpl 35Co Aust MDT 8-17 to Sgt 36Co Aust MDT 7-18 UK leave married Maud Shipp at Hastings UK 12-2-19 (British Imperial Scouts 3 years)

and

HATCHETT   William Thomas Bean   71   Dvr   1 LH Bde Trn   5Co AASC (G) att WFF WIA 1-4-16 scorpion sting near Sohag to 29Co 5 Div Trn 4-16 T/att 5 Div Trn HQ 1-17 F&B to NME UK pig breeding married Ivy Welch in London UK 26-12-18 (British 1/7Bn The Middlesex Regt TF 4 years) later WWII relation A Hartley

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 24 July 2014, 07:29:38 am
Frev,

Todays

HAGGAR   Arthur Edmund   5476   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   2R+3R (6Co AASC) Tos 4-15 (G) to 5 DBD 5-16 to 15Co 2 Div Trn 10-16 F&B to AASC Trg depot UK 1-17 to AProvC Tidworth UK 11-17 married Ethel Walker in Hackney UK 24-11-17 later WWII

and

ELMORE   Albert Harry   5478   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   2R + 3R (6Co AASC) Tos 8-15 WIA 10-12-15 L/ankle accident (G) to 1 LH FSE 4-16 to 14Co AASC 4 Div Trn 11-16 WIA 5-9-18 R/Foot accident ran over by wagon F&B married Lillian Hamon at Southampton UK 2-9-19

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 25 July 2014, 09:57:14 am
Frev,

Todays, no details other then page 1 which shows his wife at address Maadi Egypt

Another page shows his wife as Margaret.

BENNETT   James Leslie   1136   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC remain Egypt to AASC Trg depot UK 7-16 disch 12-3-18 MU asthma married Margaret in Egypt

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 27 July 2014, 08:58:36 am
Frev,

Todays

GULLICK   Charles Henry Taylor   1030   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC Wheelwright remain Egypt to 27Co 4 Div Trn 3-16 to AASC Trg depot UK 3-17 to Cpl 31Co 6 Div Trn UK 5-17 to 14Co 4 Div Trn 3-18 F&B to AASC Trg depot UK 10-18 married Lucy Heron in Derby UK 25-1-17

And

HUNTER   Thomas Francis   1033   Dvr   2 LH Bde Trn   6Co AASC (G) to 1 LH FSE 3-16 to L/Cpl AASC Trg depot UK 10-16 to 1 Div Trn 10-18 F&B rtn war records Sect AIF HQ London UK 1-19 married Cissie Wilson in London UK 12-7-17


S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 29 July 2014, 09:26:06 am
Frev,

Todays

COSGROVE   Harold Donald   7285   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   4R (14Co AASC) relist 20Co 2 Div Trn (9032) 12-15 to Dvr DCo/53Bn 3-16 att Pack Transport Troop 9-17 rtn 10-17 F&B married Elsie Joyce at Wilton UK 10-8-18 Ex 3R/16Bn (1356) DNE (CMF 6 months)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 30 July 2014, 10:27:56 am
Frev,

Today

CAYFORD   Ross   5987   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (9023) 20Co 2 Div Trn Tos 11-15 (G) to L/Cpl 3-16 F&B to AASC Trg depot UK 10-16 to EDP Cpl 10-17 married Caroline Parker at Twickenham UK 26-12-16 (Boer War Dco/NSWIB (504)

also see page 27 of his file for list 317 5MD.

and a good one for you;

BIDGOOD   Gilbert Leo   5989   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8819) 20Co 2 Div Trn 8-15 remain Egypt to 8 D/US 2 Div Trn 10-17 F&B to AASC Trg depot UK 6-19 to ER Cpl 9-19 married clerk WAAC Alice Kidger at Andover UK 21-6-19 later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 31 July 2014, 09:02:13 am
Frev,

Todays

CARRUTHERS   James   5869   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8833) 20Co 2 Div Trn 8-15 remain Egypt to Cpl 3-16 att 1 Entr Bn 2-17 rtn 3-17 F&B to AASC Trg depot UK 9-17 to NME UK married Lilian Denny at Twickenham UK 11-2-19

and, his form is corrected to show married but no other details?

BUGG   Robert Campbell   5879   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8829) 20Co 2 Div Trn 9-15 remain Egypt to 10Co 5 Div Trn 3-16 F&B married in UK later WWII 25 Garr Bn

also see page 10 of his file for list 401 1MD

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 01 August 2014, 08:16:50 am
Frev,

Todays

GILL   Alfred Henry   5892   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8865) 20Co 2 Div Trn 8-15 Tos 10-15 WIA 23-10-15 L/arm shrapnel at Anzac (G) to AASC Trg depot UK 6-16 to 14Co 4 Div Trn 9-17 F&B married Edith Dibsdale in Weymouth UK 12-3-17 related Albert 3 LHR

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 02 August 2014, 08:38:38 am
Frev,

Todays

BAXTER   James O'Riley   5956   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8815) 20Co 2 Div Trn 8-15 Tos 10-15 (G) to AASC Trg depot UK 10-16 att 31Co 6 Div Trn UK 5-17 to (867Co) 22Co 3 Div Trn 10-17 rtn 20Co 2 Div Trn 1-18 F&B married Winifred Birch at York UK 9-10-18

and

CARROLL   Leonard   5968   Dvr   4 LH Bde Trn   14Co AASC relist (8832) 20Co 2 Div Trn 8-15 Tos 10-15 (G) T/att 7 FAmb 11-18 F&B to NME UK butchering married Isobel Ruse in London UK 26-7-19

Cheers

S,B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 08 August 2014, 08:42:12 am
Frev,

No details on wife?

HAMMOND   Thomas Robin    111   Pte   02 LHR   1R (enlist in Egypt) (not on emb rolls) to Sgt Anzac Corps HQ 1-15 to S/Sgt 5-15 (G) to 12 Bde HQ 6-16 prom Hon/Lt QM HQ/48Bn 11-16 MID - for his work as QM during March 1917 & MID - for his work as QM between March to Sept 1917 prom Hon/Capt 11-17 MC - for his work as QM between Feb to Sept 1918 F&B

married Kathlen in UK

Ex CSqn/02 LHR (602) to 1R (422) DNE (Boer War Prince of Wales LH (36208) (British Bombay LH in India)

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 11 August 2014, 07:55:13 am
Frev,

Todays also the same name

GOLDRING   Roy Albert   708   Pte   02 LHR   2R Tos 7-15 WIA 7-8-15 L/leg bomb at Quinns Post (G) to AProvC Anzac Police 4-16 to AATD UK 6-16 to Dvr 3 DAC 11-16 F&B married Madge Goldring at London UK 26-12-15 later WWII

Cheers

S.B


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: Frev on 11 August 2014, 02:48:21 pm
Hi Steve - I'm back  :D

Lots to catch up on - including all your new additions - you've certainly been busy!!

Will get back to you with answers to any queries from the latest....as soon as I get the chance.

Cheers, Frev


Title: Re: Soldiers who Married Overseas
Post by: stevebecker on 13 August 2014, 09:24:10 am
Frev,

No worries mate.

T