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« on: 15 September 2011, 07:02:26 pm »

stevebecker
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1629 Posts   Posted - 01/11/2004 :  08:59:14 AM 
Bill,
Can you tell me the Sqn of Pte William John Knibbs 719 who was amung the MIA at Hill 60. He was in the 1R/9 LHR but unable to indentify his Sqn as yet.

Also for your info there is a Court of Inquiry document in Knibbs file that lists all 18 soldier listed as MIA after the battle.

Of whom 17 where declered dead and one as wounded in Hospital.

Cheers

S.B

P.S

I see most of the dead are B Sqn with some C Sqn D Troop mixed in and one A Sqn D Troop (Sampson) who is listed as wounded but is in the records as KIA 28-9-15.

Do you also have the Sqn's for John Scott Kent 756 who is also listed as MIA and Herbert Clifford Henry Kadow 952 who was wounded and sent to hosp in the UK and then sent home to relist and be KIA with the 43BN in France.

S.B

Bill Woerlee
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Australia
656 Posts    Posted - 01/11/2004 :  09:50:48 AM   
Steve
I will have a look in the War Diary next time I am at the AWM - that will be about Wednesday - can't see it any earlier.

Can you give me the date of the action at Hill 60 when Pte William John Knibbs 719 went missing?

Cheers

Bill

stevebecker
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1629 Posts    Posted - 01/11/2004 :  10:57:08 AM 
Mate,
They are all recorded as KIA 29-9-15.

Thanks

S.B

Bill Woerlee
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Australia
656 Posts    Posted - 04/11/2004 :  3:30:38 PM   
Steve
Mate, you had me fooled for a minute. You stated that the action you were looking for occurred on 29-9-15, a date which did not gel with either the War Diary or the Routine Orders. So I looked up the KIA for Knibbs and it came in at 29 August 1915 so back to the records I went and there it was - a major action where Knibbs was missing for two days until his body was found and recovered.

Now there is good news and bad news for you in this quest.

First the bad news.

There are no Routine Orders in existence from March to August 1915. Indeed, Routine Orders commence with Order No.1 on 1 September 1915 inscribed at their commencement with a wonderful scroll announcing that these are the Routine Orders of Lieutenant Colonel Grant.

In addition to this, there is no specific mention in the Brigade War Diary of the events that took place on 27-29th August 1915.

So essentially there are few records available dealing with this specific event.

The 9th LHR War Diary is far from comprehensive but it does contain a version of events. In addition to that there is a report by Major Abbott of the action given on 30th August 1915 to Brigade. The report is complete with a map. The detail is general and nothing is given regarding the individual casualties.

The report gives one chilling sentence which describes the fate of the men:

"They at once set out again for Point E but came under a withering fire from rifles, a machine gun, and bombs and the party literally faded away."

This sentence encapsulates the horror that produced 15 killed, 45 wounded and 18 missing, mostly from the party of 75 all ranks led by Lieutenant Colonel Reynell who also was killed. All the missing were later found dead.

Steve, I can scan these for you and email them if you want the records.

As to your query, the lack of records prevents me from even making an educated guess as to the Squadron or even the troop of these men.

So there it is, the good and the bad.

Hope that helps you along.

Cheers

Bill


stevebecker
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1629 Posts    Posted - 05/11/2004 :  08:24:49 AM 
Mates,
Its amazing that this battle is not well covered in the records of the 10th LHR either.

Maybe instead of working just on the Nek we should follow the Regt's a little further on to Hill 60 where soldiers of the 3rd LH Bde continued to be lost.

Its always interesting to see, after all the books writtern on Gallipoli, we still have so many more question to ask and to discover about it.

I can see this going passed the 100 year mark with reseachers still trying to find out.

S.B

Bryn
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Japan
317 Posts    Posted - 05/11/2004 :  1:57:30 PM 
Steve,
How true. The fighting at Hill 60 was some of the worst during August 1915, yet it's often overlooked.

Here's my list of 9th and 10th LHR men who died there 28/29 August.

Lance Corporal Percival William ARMSTRONG, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Walter George BATES, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 20. No Known Grave.

Lance Corporal Alexander Miller BUGBIRD, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 25. No Known Grave.

Lance Corporal Arthur Sowerby BURN, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Reuben CAIRNS, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Captain Philip Ignatius CALLARY, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 29. No Known Grave.

Captain Philip Ignatius ('Naish') CALLARY, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action at Hill 60, 28/08/1915, aged 29. No Known Grave.

Trooper Percival CAPERN, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Lance Corporal William Ross CAPPER, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Henry CHRISTIE, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper William Michael COONAN, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Robert COVERDALE, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 22. No Known Grave.

Trooper Walter Hiram CRAVEN, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Arthur Joseph Dennis CRONIN, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Frank DACK, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 26. No Known Grave.

Corporal George DALLING, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 31. No Known Grave.

Trooper Walter DAWSON, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915, aged 19. No Known Grave.

Lance Corporal Thomas DICKINSON, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

Trooper Murray John DICKSON, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Arthur Denis DORIS, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Hobart Douglas FIRNS, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper John Matthews FITCHER, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

Trooper William George Gladstone FITZGERALD, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Driver Frederick Leopold FRASER, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 26. No Known Grave.

Captain Henry Philip FRY, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Captain Henry Philip FRY, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action at Hill 60, 29/08/1915, aged 33. No Known Grave.

Sergeant John William GILL, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Hubert Evelyn GILLAM, 10th LHR AIF. Died of wounds 29/08/1915, aged 26. No Known Grave.

Trooper Sydney Davenport GILLAM, 10th LHR AIF. Died of wounds 29/08/1915, aged 29. No Known Grave.

Sergeant Hugh Loudon GOOCH, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

Trooper Charles Arthur Jocelyn HALL, 10th LHR AIF. Died of wounds 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Herbert HALLETT, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 23. No Known Grave.

Trooper John HALLETT, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Lance Corporal Maxwell David HARRINGTON, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 27. No Known Grave.

Trooper Alexander McPherson HILL, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Sergeant Geoffrey Garnett HORSFALL, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 31. No Known Grave.

Sergeant Cyril HUMPHREYS, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Captain Alfred John JAFFRAY, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action at Hill 60, 28/08/1915, aged 32. Grave: Hill 60 cemetery.

Trooper John Scott KENT, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper William John KNIBBS, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

2nd Lieutenant George Arthur LEAKE, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 28. No Known Grave.

Trooper William Edward LEAR, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Cyril Benjamin LEVIEN, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

2nd Lieutenant Colin Hendrie MACBEAN, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action at Hill 60, 29/08/1915, aged 23. No Known Grave.

Trooper Keith Percy MACNISH, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. Grave: 7th Fld Amb Cemetery.

Trooper William John MCCALL, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 23. No Known Grave.

Trooper Duncan MCDOUGALL, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

Trooper James Alexander MCGILLIVRAY, 9 LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Donald MCLEAN, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Francis MCMAHON, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Sergeant Major Samuel George MCWHIRTER, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper John Henry MEGAN, 9 LHR AIF. Died of wounds 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper William George Delmar MOBBS, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

Trooper Leonard Templar NAPPER, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

Trooper James Bryant PULLEINE, 9 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 19. No Known Grave.

Trooper Louis Frederick RENNER (SERVED AS REGAN), 9 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 21. No Known Grave.

Lieutenant Colonel (CO) Carew REYNELL, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action at Hill 60, 28/08/1915, aged 32. Grave: Hill 60 cemetery.

Trooper George Thomas ROSE, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Walter Jordan RUSK, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 28. No Known Grave.

Trooper Heinrich Carl Ludwig RUWOLDT, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 29. No Known Grave.

Corporal Edward RYAN, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Charles Ernest George SAMPSON, 9 LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Percy Frederick William SEAMAN, 10 LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 37. No Known Grave.

Trooper Harold Edward SMITH, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Henry SPENCER, 9th LHR AIF. Died of wounds 28/08/1915, aged 22. Grave: East Mudros Military Cemetery, Lemnos.

Trooper Laurens Charles SPINKS, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

Driver Oliver Frank Leopold TAYLOR, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper John James THORNETT, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915, aged 23. No Known Grave.

Trooper Ernest Joseph WALTON, 10th LHR AIF. Killed in action 29/08/1915. No Known Grave.

Trooper Frederick Henry WEAVER, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.

Sergeant Francis WILLOUGHBY, 9th LHR AIF. Killed in action 28/08/1915. Grave: Hill 60 Cemetery.



Bill Woerlee
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Australia
656 Posts    Posted - 05/11/2004 :  3:42:56 PM   
Mates
As a final fill in, I was reading Darley's account of the battle and his postscript to this battle related to the burial of Reynell. While the funeral service was going on, the Turks opened up with some shelling for half an hour. While it caused no casualties, it did destroy the pots in which that night's dinner was being prepared.

Cheers

Bill

stevebecker
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1629 Posts    Posted - 05/11/2004 :  6:12:43 PM 
Thanks Bryn,
Always good to get your input.

Of cause the only LH VC was won at this battle which would make it that bit more appealing to reseachers.

Sorry about the slip of the finger, yes August was the month not September.

Cheers

S.B
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